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Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:27 am ] |
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Southern Corn wrote: But once again,the segment with Simon leaves us confused. meta psychological manipulation when |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:56 am ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Southern Corn wrote: But once again,the segment with Simon leaves us confused. meta psychological manipulation when Actually,I was more referring to Spoiler: Credits |
Author: | Ash [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:26 am ] |
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The characters are always addressing the player themselves in the credits; that has been like that since the very first game (though I think the phrasing in the localized version could sometimes be a bit confusing). |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:31 am ] |
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Nope,in T&T Bikini was talking to the reporters,and Iris to Phoenix,for example. And in DD,BQ was talking to someone who wanted defense for their father. Simon then said something about taking the case. In SoJ, Spoiler: |
Author: | Ash [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:06 am ] |
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Southern Corn wrote: Nope,in T&T Bikini was talking to the reporters,and Iris to Phoenix,for example. That is both misinterpretation on your part and a mistranslation though. Regarding Bikini, she isn't talking to a reporter, she is talking about the reporters and how the temple's doing fine lately because of their visits. And as for the Iris part; that's actually a huge mistranslation in the localized text. She is talking *about* Phoenix, not to Phoenix. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:13 am ] |
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Darn it localisation,why do you always have to complicate matters?! So what does Simon say in GS5 and 6 in the credits,anyway? |
Author: | dancingpoppies [ Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:52 am ] |
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Bumping up a not very active thread but I just wanted to share my thoughts on the game - I actually don't find it as good as Dual Destinies. As a matter of fact being someone who has played AA through the years I was rather disappointed. Of course there were a few things I really enjoyed this time: Apollo himself was written really well; one could slowly see him as a more distingushable protagonist with his own quirks, awkwardness and earnestness (not just a chip off the old block). I loved his monologues in SoJ. Also, the divination seance was really exciting for me because it often took another layer of thinking to come up with how the defendant could not have committed the crime. Ah, and one other thing I have to praise is Case 2, it was so solid on its own XD But then the problems came on XD Spoiler: |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:56 am ] |
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I have a feeling that this might be going for a new Apollo game,so don't worry,I think that may be coming, On the other hand I'm really excited for DGS2! |
Author: | Nurio [ Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:04 pm ] |
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Yeah, I agree about Phoenix, dancingpoppies, though I don't think that ruined the game for me, luckily. The game still had plenty of other merits to kind of compensate for what they did to Phoenix. dancingpoppies wrote: He was still somewhat cool in DnD I didn't really peg Phoenix as a Dungeons and Dragons player... |
Author: | luck [ Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:08 pm ] |
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I like to think that this game is Apollo's revenge after Phoenix overshadowed him in his own game. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:17 pm ] |
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Yes. Spoiler: 6-5 Now that's the spirit, Justice. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:09 pm ] |
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Spoiler: 6-5 |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:16 pm ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: 6-5 Spoiler: |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:36 am ] |
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I actually do like that Apollo was teased so much in AJ,because it made his comments way snarkier than Phoenix's,and also it felt way more satisfying to get the prosecution/villain to squirm. MMMMM |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:25 pm ] |
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Something I will always appreciate SoJ for is how completely immersed I felt the first (so far only) time I played it. I think it was due to both the game itself and the circumstances. This was the first AA game I had actively been waiting for and anticipating, and I had just gotten the 3DS shop to work for me so I could buy it only one or two days after its Western release. I skipped a week's worth of lectures so that I could play the game during the weekdays. School had to wait because SoJ was my main priority right then. With my anticipation was fear to get disappointed (I wasn't a big fan of DD but had high hopes for SoJ for whatever reason) but I wasn't, I loved the game and had the time I needed to let myself really get into it. And when I was done playing I could keep throwing my money at Capcom for a couple of weeks further with the downloadable content. It took me a while to completely get out of the SoJ-mode too, because I found myself thinking a lot about it for some time afterwards (coupled with reading other people's thoughts and verbalizing my own in this subforum). So, for a tiny chunk of my life, SoJ was the main thing. Haha, blabber blabber, I didn't intend to write this much. |
Author: | AchtungBaby [ Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:34 pm ] |
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Going for Miles wrote: Something I will always appreciate SoJ for is how completely immersed I felt the first (so far only) time I played it. I think it was due to both the game itself and the circumstances. This was the first AA game I had actively been waiting for and anticipating, and I had just gotten the 3DS shop to work for me so I could buy it only one or two days after its Western release. I skipped a week's worth of lectures so that I could play the game during the weekdays. School had to wait because SoJ was my main priority right then. With my anticipation was fear to get disappointed (I wasn't a big fan of DD but had high hopes for SoJ for whatever reason) but I wasn't, I loved the game and had the time I needed to let myself really get into it. And when I was done playing I could keep throwing my money at Capcom for a couple of weeks further with the downloadable content. It took me a while to completely get out of the SoJ-mode too, because I found myself thinking a lot about it for some time afterwards (coupled with reading other people's thoughts and verbalizing my own in this subforum). So, for a tiny chunk of my life, SoJ was the main thing. Haha, blabber blabber, I didn't intend to write this much. So true, I can totally relate to that. I also couldn´t stop playing SoJ, writing down theories, listening to its OST on a daily basis, discussing thoughts about the game with my friends, reading other opinions in this forum, replaying cases again, writing down more thoughts. Ok, I didn´t go as far as to skip classes, but still I felt so immersed into the game and I´ve already a playtime of almost 200 hours (part of the playtime was writing a whole notebook full of SoJ-related content). I can´t decide whether it is my favourite Ace Attorney game yet, but I can still say: This game has surpassed all my expectations (it was as well my first Ace Attorney game that I have actively anticipated and played on release day), SoJ made me even more addicted to Ace Attorney than I was already before and I can´t wait for the 7th main game in the series (hopefully with Athena as the main Protagonist!). |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:49 pm ] |
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That's great! Oh yes, the soundtrack, I adore it and used to listen to it a whole lot as well. I guess all of this is why I feel almost "protective" of the game, like, I want everyone to like it x) Not that it matters to me personally but when I see someone saying they don't like it I'm like "aww " |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:03 pm ] |
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That was sorta how I felt about AAI2 originally and how I feel now about AJ. |
Author: | luck [ Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:17 pm ] |
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I've been thinking that this game developed Phoenix more as father figure than as a lawyer. I mean... Spoiler: whole game The days in which Cody could get the bettter of good ol' Nick are long past. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:17 pm ] |
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Agreed. I've seen a lot of complaints that Phoenix was too much of a pushover when it came to Rayfa, but this is a man who clearly is well-versed in the terror of a teenage girl |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:29 pm ] |
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I didn't see him as being a push-over either, more choosing his battles, like nah, not worth the time and effort even trying to win this one. |
Author: | DeiStar [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:15 am ] |
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Overall Spirit of Justice disappointed me. The twists were way too predictable, and the story wasn't really that good. Spoiler: I don't know. I think Spirit of Justice actually turned me off from the franchise, or at least the mainline. AA is way past its prime, and honestly, games like Danganronpa have already surpassed it in terms of evolution and character development. I'm just one of those people who would just rather see the series die already than keep being milked like this. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:29 pm ] |
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DeiStar wrote: Overall Spirit of Justice disappointed me. The twists were way too predictable, and the story wasn't really that good. Spoiler: I don't know. I think Spirit of Justice actually turned me off from the franchise, or at least the mainline. AA is way past its prime, and honestly, games like Danganronpa have already surpassed it in terms of evolution and character development. I'm just one of those people who would just rather see the series die already than keep being milked like this. You were doing so well, but then you just had to bring up Danganronpa... |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:30 pm ] |
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I've heard about that game,but it seemed a bit violent for my tastes. But could you explain to me (in non spoiler terms) why the story isn't good? |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:49 pm ] |
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Well this literally isn't the thread for it, but (imo) the mysteries are obvious and the overarching story is nonsense filled with plotholes and ad hoc explanations that create more plotholes. Also, it has more blood (although maybe not after DD), but I wouldn't really call DR particularly more violent than AA. |
Author: | Nurio [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:15 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: the mysteries are obvious and the overarching story is nonsense filled with plotholes and ad hoc explanations that create more plotholes. So... Basically Professor Layton? (Though, there either the mysteries are obvious or impossible to ever find out on your own) |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:19 pm ] |
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I'd say Layton is at least emotionally satisfying,and its big twists are laugh out loud moments,but is still overall enjoyable. |
Author: | Slammer [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:39 pm ] |
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Well, if they have to end the main series, they could at least give Athena's arc a proper conclusion. AA7 is a good occasion to do that, in my opinion: Spoiler: SOJ general spoilers So yeah, I believe a game mainly focused on Athena would be great to end the series! |
Author: | DeiStar [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:26 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Well this literally isn't the thread for it, but (imo) the mysteries are obvious and the overarching story is nonsense filled with plotholes and ad hoc explanations that create more plotholes. You talk as if Ace Attorney isn't nonsense with plotholes as well and stupid overarching stories. And I was specifically saying franchise "evolution" and character development. While AA is stagnated and refuses to evolve, DR is already overshadowing the franchise by bringing new stuff to the table instead of just some new uninteresting gimmick. But yeah, like you said, I guess this isn't the thread for it. |
Author: | luck [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:10 pm ] |
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I never expected AA of all things to get a rival franchise XD. I thought we were too niche for that. Although I think the the mystery visual novel genre and Ace Attorney in particular have been getting a boost in popularity in the West recently. I've noticed a lot of LP's of AA in Youtube, and even some general gaming shows like Honest Game Trailers and Game Theory talking about it. |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:25 pm ] |
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Hi, I haven't been here in a while, but had one of those "wonder what's happening in Ace Attorney world right now" moments and ended up here again. I think after half a year of digestion and reflection I can safely say that I found SoJ to be more or less what I expected and that almost means it was more or less on the same level of DD but my reaction to it has not been quite as impulsive because I had already set my expectations as opposed to believing we were getting an honest return to form in the vein of the Trilogy. Once agian, it felt like the story had some serious potential but towards the end it seemed to take the simpler, more straightforward approach to resolving mysteries instead of bringing it to another level. I mostly enjoyed it even if much of it was fairly long in the tooth but thinking about it right now it's one of those games where I'm not sure I'll ever replay it. It happened with DD despite me not liking it, so who knows but the only incentive would be to re-experience a story I already know I won't care too much about after it's over. The strangest thing about this game is its focus I felt. DD had the problem of creating a lofty premise and then not even addressing that properly (dark age of law) and this game has a very Apollo-centric story in store for you but never really makes that clear until you're reaching case 5 and then it comes off more as "oh, okay, this is about Apollo actually" but it didn't feel like it was being built towards narratively. It just kind of happened and some of the bigger revelations are strangey, as is the "fate" of Apollo in the game in my view because he's been known to fans as this youthful, modern attorney but ends up in Khura'in to fight injustice in an almost feudal setting. It feels like a clash of what Ace Attorney can be. I know that's kind of a joke when this series literally bends its rules constantly by always going more and more over the top, but I feel stylistically and perhaps tonally they're crossing the line at this point. All in all, I've felt very meh about this game but remember that I did enjoy it especially for its presentation and I'll probably be on board for future games as well, but I feel as though I have to compromise a bit to enjoy these more recent games. I just don't think the series is for me anymore. The first three games really spoke to me and since then it's slowly but steadily detatched itself from the sensibilities that I resonate with. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:20 pm ] |
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Quote: this game has a very Apollo-centric story in store for you but never really makes that clear until you're reaching case 5 and then it comes off more as "oh, okay, this is about Apollo actually" but it didn't feel like it was being built towards narratively Spoiler: Just in case, entire game Quote: as is the "fate" of Apollo in the game in my view because he's been known to fans as this youthful, modern attorney but ends up in Khura'in to fight injustice in an almost feudal setting. Spoiler: |
Author: | MBr [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:36 am ] |
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linkenski wrote: The strangest thing about this game is its focus I felt. DD had the problem of creating a lofty premise and then not even addressing that properly (dark age of law) and this game has a very Apollo-centric story in store for you but never really makes that clear until you're reaching case 5 and then it comes off more as "oh, okay, this is about Apollo actually" but it didn't feel like it was being built towards narratively. It just kind of happened and some of the bigger revelations are strangey, as is the "fate" of Apollo in the game in my view because he's been known to fans as this youthful, modern attorney but ends up in Khura'in to fight injustice in an almost feudal setting. It feels like a clash of what Ace Attorney can be. I know that's kind of a joke when this series literally bends its rules constantly by always going more and more over the top, but I feel stylistically and perhaps tonally they're crossing the line at this point. That's my view too, and I'm conflicted on how I feel about it. On one hand, I like it when plots make you expect one thing but deliver another. In this case, we were lead to believe that Phoenix was the one revolutionizing the system, but Apollo is the one with the connections to the major characters in Khura'in. Though how that was executed left a lot to be desired. The game did a great job at establishing the Apollo/Dhurke relationship, but not with Nahyuta or Khura'in in general. On the other hand, I think it's the same issue people had with DD (Why does this game have Phoenix Wright in the title but is clearly about Athena?). I think that's the best way they can sell these games. Put Phoenix on the cover and logo, but give the attention to someone else. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:19 am ] |
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I think my big problem with Nayuta is that he really, really pushed in terms of the prosecutor being connected to the main character It makes sense in PW:AA that Phoenix and Edgeworth wouldn't talk about the good old days because Edgeworth had ignored him every time Phoenix tried to contact him Spoiler: @Linkenski Spoiler: I liked Apollo in DD and was glad he wasn't ignored but this game made Apollo such an amazing character that he pretty much toppled almost all the AA great characters in my eyes @GoingForMiles Spoiler: |
Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:15 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: I think my big problem with Nayuta is that he really, really pushed in terms of the prosecutor being connected to the main character You've got it backwards. Apollo is the one who's really, really pushed in terms of being connected to the prosecutor/plot. Nayuta fits right into Khura'in. Polly had an entire country retconned into his backstory. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:41 am ] |
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I really had to suspend my disbelief when I learned that Apollo was connected to Khura'in. It wasn't BAD, like, Dhurke+Apollo was handled really nice to me, but it just came completely out of left field to me. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:14 am ] |
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Yeah really,that twist was a so bad it's good thing in terms of disbelief. Still was emotionally satisfying though,despite the weirdness of it. |
Author: | luck [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:10 am ] |
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It's pretty obvious that they had already the idea about Khura'in and added Apollo's role later after his unexpected increase in popularity after DD. The ridiculously nonchalant ways his connections were handled did make me laugh at first, but I think it turned out pretty decently in the end. Now, I've been thinking about what my big problem with Nayhuta was. Since the only other prosecutor I felt so meh with was Klavier and they're completely different characters, I've been looking for things they have in common, and I've reached the conclusion that my real problem with them is that they don't really engage in the courtroom antics. Godot and Blackquill constantly contribute to the witnesses's shenanigans with their own jokes and whatnot, and Franziska and Edgeworth usually get dragged into it or get mad and try to bring order. But Klavier and Nayhuta almost never react to anything. They stand there and sometimes call a witness or remind us of their gimmick (rock with Klavier, religion with Nayhuta). They're like those actors that clearly don't care about the movie they're in. They don't do anything to make the trial sections more interesting, and that makes them forgettable to me. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:21 am ] |
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JesusMonroe: Spoiler: I never had a problem with his backstory since it had been more or less a blank slate until now, and he clearly doesn't wanna talk about it or even think about it. He took Nahyuta's advice. Luck: I dunno, I think Klavier engages in his own way. Reacts to twists and weird witnesses, but in a pretty chill way, makes a little wax poetry, flirts with/teases Apollo and has a good time. I don't think that is less contributing to the atmosphere itself just because he doesnt't take part in turning it into chaos. At least that's the main difference I can think of between his and the previous ones courtroom antics. As for Nahyuta, I think it fits his character to kinda just stand there with a pokerface. Which makes his character overall less engaging, but I still think there's something kinda amusing and endearing about that. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:39 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: JesusMonroe wrote: I think my big problem with Nayuta is that he really, really pushed in terms of the prosecutor being connected to the main character You've got it backwards. Apollo is the one who's really, really pushed in terms of being connected to the prosecutor/plot. Nayuta fits right into Khura'in. Polly had an entire country retconned into his backstory. Well yeah. I do think Nayuta's a fine character besides his almost non-existent relationship with Apollo. And Apollo's retconned backstory is probably my least favorite part of the game (though like others, it's more acceptable because they handled it well in the story afterwards, at least in my opinion) Luck: I think that's exactly what bothers me about him too. Spoiler: 6-5 |
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