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Who is the most evil manfred von karma or his daughterTopic%20Title

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I think it would be Manfred Von Karma because he tried to pin a murder crime on Edgeworth. :karma:


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Plus the tazer. Frannie's just a power-hungry brat whohappenstokickass. :D
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Manfred, easily. There is no competition.
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I mean, who breaks down and cries? And who tazers you?
That and Franziska, without a whip, would never, ever win a case.
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I think :karma: is more evil than :franny: . It is true :franny: is arrogant and annoying but she does show a shade of vulnerability and emotion (at first I thought she'd be a clone of her father).
Fransizka breaks down and cries and without her whip she'd be nothing.

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I know :franny: also tampers with evidence etc but Manfred tried to pin a murder on Edgeworth.

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No competition, its Manfred hands down. :karma:
Spoiler: JFA Case 4
After all :franny: does help you get the evidence you need to present to :shelly: so you can save :maya: and get :enguard!: convicted

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That's true. Do you think Phoenix has a kind of (grudging) respect for her after that?
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Manfred, hands down.

Spoiler: AA Case 4
He's a killer, man!


Franziska just knocks people unconscious.

EDIT: I have doubts the spoiler is really necessary, but whatever.
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I think you should put a spoiler sign because that gives away the 4th case.
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Franziska's "cruelness" seems to have mostly originated from Manfred's teachings, so I don't think she's evil so much as she's misled. Manfred, however, has always been the most evil person in the game IMO. Gant was pretty corrupt, but this guy's just downright heartless. He's a cold, manipulative bastard and the lengths he went through to

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"seek his revenge" against Gregory and Miles


went beyond obsessive in my book.
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Pleeeeease fix the grammar in the title. It hurts.

I don't know. I mean, I love Fran, but I'm gonna try and look at this with a completely open mind.

We don't know what happened to Manfred during his childhood. He could have - almost certainly was, any psychological test would say so - abused by his parents, probably his father. The cruelty, obsession with perfection and coldheartedness isn't normal, so there's no way that he doesn't have some deep emotional scarring that isn't his fault.


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No, that doesn't excuse what he's done; 1-4 proved he's a killer, a cold-blooded one at that. But keep in mind that Fran's only 18 years old, still trying to be like her father; desperate for revenge and crushing anyone who gets in her way. I think that, as it stands, Fran's much less evil than her father, but if she had been allowed to continue down the path of self-destruction we saw her on on the first few cases of JFA, I think she could have easily been turned into Manfred v2. The similarities between them are scary; Manfred did kill Gregory for defeating him in court; when he found him unconscious, he found the gun and shot him. It wasn't premeditated; it was just born of anger and the obsession with perfection. Fran whipped Phoenix unconscious after defeating her in 2-2 (might've been 2-3, can't remember), but if she had had a gun handy, might she have succumbed to her anger? Or at least considered it? Her perfect win record was the most important thing in the world to her, remember. She shows a childlike obsession for getting retribution on those who have wronged her during the game... as well as a childish spontaneity; stalking off when she's feeling uncomfortable or whipping people who annoy her. I'm sure Manfred was very similar in his youth, too.


...I don't know. I think it's very interesting, though.
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When I first saw Fran, I thought she was going to be Manfred v2, who was cold and evil, basically an utter bastard.
Spoiler - Post 2-4:
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It's not until near the end that Fran seems to have developed into a more complex character

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Dannichu wrote:
We don't know what happened to Manfred during his childhood. He could have - almost certainly was, any psychological test would say so - abused by his parents, probably his father. The cruelty, obsession with perfection and coldheartedness isn't normal, so there's no way that he doesn't have some deep emotional scarring that isn't his fault.


Great point Dannichu, this kind of behavior isn't spontaneous, the "perfect obsession" normally comes when a child is heavily scolded for making a mistake, by the family or public shame. Since Manfred is a person that did hide a bullet on his own arm to avoid mistakes, maybe we'll never hear about what happened, Franziska neither because his arrogance is what's important.
Poor Franziska just learned it from her father, and became a reflection of his frustrations. :whip:
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Manfred is much more evil, but Franny is so arrogant and annoying that I hate her more.
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MANFRED.

His finger of rudeness gives a high demand...what arrogance!!
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I stand by the idea that Manfred is highly misunderstood. Along with Franziska.
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Manfred. I think he's awesome, but he's very much evil.
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Manfred's more evil, but if Franziska carried on like she did, when shes his age, who knows?
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I don't think Franny is evil at all.
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Von Karma, of course! He's pure evil!

I love Franziska. She's not evil, just a perfectionist.
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Franziska is just a bitch who tries to impersonate Mr. Awesome, and fails utterly.

She's not evil. Just has a weak personality.
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I don't think Fransizka was evil per se, but she was arrogant/annoying. Manfred was pure evil, framing poor Edgey :(
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:karma: obviously! :karma: makes :franny: look like a harmless puppy!
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Well, Franziska isn't evil, just arrogant. Besides, she's never gone as far as murdering two people and hiding one for nearly 15 years, not to mention taking in an orphan just to screw him over at the right moment.
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