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I never liked the Bellboy from the first game. I don't really know why but I just really disliked him.
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shippersdreamer wrote:
I never liked the Bellboy from the first game. I don't really know why but I just really disliked him.


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Thane wrote:
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I never liked the Bellboy from the first game. I don't really know why but I just really disliked him.


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Haha. I found him rather charming. Apart from the boob-thingie. Alright, that was a little cute... in a very obnoxious way.
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Haha. I found him rather charming. Apart from the boob-thingie. Alright, that was a little cute... in a very obnoxious way.


Yeah I suppose so, I never really found it charming as much as 'You're so getting fired' type of way.

Oh there's also Cody Hackins, I never liked him either.
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shippersdreamer wrote:
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Haha. I found him rather charming. Apart from the boob-thingie. Alright, that was a little cute... in a very obnoxious way.


Yeah I suppose so, I never really found it charming as much as 'You're so getting fired' type of way.

Oh there's also Cody Hackins, I never liked him either.


Nah, he was rather annoying.
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WaitingforGodot wrote:
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Haha. I found him rather charming. Apart from the boob-thingie. Alright, that was a little cute... in a very obnoxious way.


Yeah I suppose so, I never really found it charming as much as 'You're so getting fired' type of way.

Oh there's also Cody Hackins, I never liked him either.


Nah, he was rather annoying.


Then again that may have been the point of his character...
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True. I didn't hate him, though. He was borderline cute/terrible.
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shippersdreamer wrote:
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Haha. I found him rather charming. Apart from the boob-thingie. Alright, that was a little cute... in a very obnoxious way.


Yeah I suppose so, I never really found it charming as much as 'You're so getting fired' type of way.

Oh there's also Cody Hackins, I never liked him either.


Wait, why that? Why would you feel like firing the guy?

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CatMuto wrote:
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Haha. I found him rather charming. Apart from the boob-thingie. Alright, that was a little cute... in a very obnoxious way.


Yeah I suppose so, I never really found it charming as much as 'You're so getting fired' type of way.

Oh there's also Cody Hackins, I never liked him either.


Wait, why that? Why would you feel like firing the guy?

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Okay maybe that was a little harsh, but if I had grounds to fire him it would probably be for that whole 'other person' b.s. he pulled.
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Wait, you would fire him because he kept the "other person" staying with April May in the room hidden in court? That... that doesn't make any sense. For one, he's in court, you as his boss have no hold on him in that area. Second, he said he was told to not mention the other person unless specifically asked about it. Which is what happened and which is, actually, the way things go in court. You only answer what you are being asked, you do not volunteer information. Third, I only worked in a hotel for a day, but when I got there, I was told to keep any guests and their names secret, I wasn't supposed to blurt them out to any person I knew, unless it was a co-worker or boss, and even then I'd have to mention the room number and not the name.

In short: you'd have no grounds on firing that guy.

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Wait, you would fire him because he kept the "other person" staying with April May in the room hidden in court? That... that doesn't make any sense. For one, he's in court, you as his boss have no hold on him in that area. Second, he said he was told to not mention the other person unless specifically asked about it. Which is what happened and which is, actually, the way things go in court. You only answer what you are being asked, you do not volunteer information. Third, I only worked in a hotel for a day, but when I got there, I was told to keep any guests and their names secret, I wasn't supposed to blurt them out to any person I knew, unless it was a co-worker or boss, and even then I'd have to mention the room number and not the name.

In short: you'd have no grounds on firing that guy.

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Yeah you're right.
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True. I didn't hate him, though. He was borderline cute/terrible.


Good point. He reacted quite cutely sometimes. Otherwise: *throws down DSi at the floor*. :sillytrucy:
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In terms of dislike, I will not refer to people like :dahlia: because you're SUPPOSED to dislike them. (WARNING: SPOILERS!)

TL;DR: :hobohodo:, :apollo:, :lotta-angry:, :trucy: (kinda), :punch-ben:, :sob:, :simon: (kinda), :athena:, and :iris: (with a BURNING passion)

:hobohodo: - I HATE the way they portrayed Phoenix in AJ. He just seems like an arrogant asshole who doesn't give two shits, nearly opposite to :phoenix:
:apollo: - This kid was a first-class LOSER in his debut game. And this was the guy who was going to replace Phoenix Wright? I thought Apollo would man up after the first case. Unfortunately, his personality and his corny "Here comes Justice!" one-liner stuck throughout the game. It's hard to relate to a protagonist that weak.
:lotta-angry: - I know the writers wanted to give her admirable character traits and all, but that didn't work for me. She was really annoying. In 2-2, I presented Maya's profile to her about a dozen times, just so Phoenix could strike her across the face every time she insulted Miss Fey.
:trucy: - I really want to like this character, but she's just too... bland. Also, they tried WAY too hard to replicate Maya's obliviousness with her, and ended up overdoing it. Also, I find it slightly annoying how she helps out too much in AJ. I don't NEED you to tell me the witness keeps blinking fast! I'd like to find that out on my own, thank you very much! Still... she has some redeeming qualities, so she's not the worst.
:punch-ben: - Annoying.
:sob: - I sympathize with :acro: when it comes to this chick.
:simon: - I don't hate him in general, but there's one thing that bugs me: We get it already! YOU'RE AN ANTIHERO. DARKNESS. EDGAR ALLEN POE. BATMAN. BIRDS. BLACK. OTHER GOTHIC SHADY SHIT. SOMETIMES PERFORMS ACTS OF GOODNESS. SOMETIMES A DICK. EMO EDGEWORTH.
:athena: Her "power" is even lamer than Apollo's. In fact, it's made me appreciate the bracelet a little more. Get that psycho-analyzing widget out of my courtroom! She's also ditzy but, unfortunately, is ditzy in the ANNOYING sort of way, and just might be another failed shot at creating a :maya: clone. Also, I'm getting really tired of the young prodigy lawyer thing. 18 years old? No longer impressed.
And finally... :iris: - I hate her more than all of the rest. Crucify me. Her character is blander than Penny Nickels, and she's weak-willed. She went all-out assisting her sister (knowing she was a female Hitler) because she "felt sorry for her." Are you kidding me? Not only that, but I'm pretty sure the writers wished to paint her as a love interest. (Now, don't take the following personally P/I fans. This is just the way I see things...) She was acting as Dahlia, NOT Iris for those 8 months. Not only that, but Phoenix's feelings for her were blindly directed. Love at first sight does not exist. He just jumped at the opportunity to date an attractive female, being the loser that he was. And during those 8 months, did she do ANYTHING to warn him of Dahlia's plans? Nope. He was almost killed as a result. And she keeps WAY too many secrets from him. So she can share a secret with Dahlia, but with the person she "loves", she won't tell squat until she's exposed? Not only that, but even in the midst of a serious trial, she leads Wright on by flirting with him. Either she's some new kind of stupid, or she's just as much of a female :missle: as her sister (if you catch my drift). She deserves a longer sentence in prison.
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In any case, I really hated Franziska. Torturing people with your whip, you should be ashamed of yourself, Franziska! And on the other hand, why does "Dr. Hotti" always appears in hospitals? This one is totally freaky. It freaked me out. Also, I really hated Redd, Mia didn't deserve to die like that. It's obvious. Everyone hates Redd. I only hated Edgeworth in the first game. He was a jerk.

I started hating Gumshoe from the fourth game. He was kind of a Jerk there. And I really hate Larry and his romanticism. I really hate him, and that's final. :edgeworth: I hate Maya, because her PERKINESS MAKES ME SICK! She's an adult, not some 7 years old kid. :tigre:

In any case, I like and hate Pearl at the same time. I get mad when she slaps poor Nick. Pearl should be knowing that Maya is not Nick's Special someone, Iris is! That makes me even more angrier than Kudo.
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Wow, I didn't think it was possible for someone to hate Maya. To each his own, I guess.

Most hated character for me? Jean Armstrong with that one chest thrusting pose. I'm with Nick on the whole "my eyes!" thing.
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One thing I didn't like about DD is that Pearl still acts like a little girl despite being a tenager.
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One thing I didn't like about DD is that Pearl still acts like a little girl despite being a tenager.


You're forgetting Maya, you know. She still acts like a 7 Years Old Kid even being an adult.
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Allow me to clarify dimentiorules' statement. One thing he didn't like about DD is that Teenage!Pearl still acted like Young!Pearl, despite being eight years older.

Most people find the way Maya acts to be part of her charm. You don't have to, but that's the way it is for most people.
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TheDoctor wrote:
Allow me to clarify dimentiorules' statement. One thing he didn't like about DD is that Teenage!Pearl still acted like Young!Pearl, despite being eight years older.

Most people find the way Maya acts to be part of her charm. You don't have to, but that's the way it is for most people.


Maya still had very adult dialogue though. Pearl's indeed sounded eight rather than eighteen :pearl:
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Allow me to clarify dimentiorules' statement. One thing he didn't like about DD is that Teenage!Pearl still acted like Young!Pearl, despite being eight years older.

Most people find the way Maya acts to be part of her charm. You don't have to, but that's the way it is for most people.

Thank you, that's exactly what I meant. I agree with you.

At least they didn't pull an Ema and turn her into the exact opposite of what she once was.
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Honestly, I think they did a good job in keeping the balance between 'She's still our Pearly' and 'she must have grown up'.
Maybe her teenager version is still very childish, but her eight year old version acted like a three years old because of her lack of contact with the world outside Kurain, so it kinda make sense. I can see the differences.
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:athena: Her "power" is even lamer than Apollo's. In fact, it's made me appreciate the bracelet a little more. Get that psycho-analyzing widget out of my courtroom! She's also ditzy but, unfortunately, is ditzy in the ANNOYING sort of way, and just might be another failed shot at creating a :maya: clone. Also, I'm getting really tired of the young prodigy lawyer thing. 18 years old? No longer impressed.


First of all, Athena's power isn't "lame". It's only a little great. It's just too lame to even describe the power like that. In any case, Why would they need to set her age to 18 YEARS OLD IN 2027! Seriously, It would've been much great if her age was 21 in Dual Destinies.

What did you expect her power to be? Hmm? Or don't you know that she's a psychologist? Seriously. :simon:
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Actually. I think there's a reason for her age. They wanted to set the UR-1 incident after Nick's disbarment to create the dark age of law, and she had to be a kid then so everything could be as dramatic as possible. So, since age in AA is literally just a number, they just made the maths and got 18 as her max potential age. That, and every single assistant has to be a perky teenage girl for some reason. Or if they're feeling revolutionary enough, a perky teenage boy.
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Also, I'm getting really tired of the young prodigy lawyer thing. 18 years old? No longer impressed.


Then you should've gotten tired of it when Franziska appeared and was not just a successful prosecutor at age 18 but had actually started prosecuting at age 13. In Germany. Ace Attorney or not, that wouldn't actually happen. (In the Japanese version she studied in America where I'm sure that even there someone who isn't of legal age is not allowed to be a prosecutor with actual responsibility and weight to their words.)

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Also, I'm getting really tired of the young prodigy lawyer thing. 18 years old? No longer impressed.


Then you should've gotten tired of it when Franziska appeared and was not just a successful prosecutor at age 18 but had actually started prosecuting at age 13. In Germany. Ace Attorney or not, that wouldn't actually happen. (In the Japanese version she studied in America where I'm sure that even there someone who isn't of legal age is not allowed to be a prosecutor with actual responsibility and weight to their words.)

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Well, even though :franny: became a Prosecutor at the age of 13 in Germany. They could've set :athena:'s age 21 when she became an Attorney in Wright Anything Agency. But what to do, they didn't done it. Seriously, she being 18 is quite ridiculous. Seriously, I hated her 18 years old. Why don't set her age 21?! I'm sick of this. :edgeworth: Oh! I know!

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I'll repeat myself: age is just a number in this series. And I mean it. Age is just a number on the profile pages that has no real impact in anything at all. Franziska cracked whatever correlation could have been between age and achievements in JFA. Nothing of the sort can bother me anymore. If the next game features a 12 years old prosecutor with a seven years win record, it won't bother me. It won't even shock me.
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I'll repeat myself: age is just a number in this series. And I mean it. Age is just a number on the profile pages that has no real impact in anything at all. Franziska cracked whatever correlation could have been between age and achievements in JFA. Nothing of the sort can bother me anymore. If the next game features a 12 years old prosecutor with a seven years win record, it won't bother me. It won't even shock me.


:object: OBJECTION!
That's an Impossible Theory. You cannot read a Law Book when you're 8 years old. Li'l Kids can't understand too much Law-Stuff without at least completing the School Education. Your Theory is Super Ridiculous. Sorry, but I'll have to reject it.
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First of all, Athena's power isn't "lame". It's only a little great. It's just too lame to even describe the power like that. In any case, Why would they need to set her age to 18 YEARS OLD IN 2027! Seriously, It would've been much great if her age was 21 in Dual Destinies.

What did you expect her power to be? Hmm? Or don't you know that she's a psychologist? Seriously. :simon:

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Well, even though :franny: became a Prosecutor at the age of 13 in Germany. They could've set :athena:'s age 21 when she became an Attorney in Wright Anything Agency. But what to do, they didn't done it. Seriously, she being 18 is quite ridiculous. Seriously, I hated her 18 years old. Why don't set her age 21?! I'm sick of this. :edgeworth: Oh! I know!

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:object: OBJECTION!
That's an Impossible Theory. You cannot read a Law Book when you're 8 years old. Li'l Kids can't understand too much Law-Stuff without at least completing the School Education. Your Theory is Super Ridiculous. Sorry, but I'll have to reject it.

Word of advice... You shouldn't try to go head-on with everyone. You're making it sound like your opinion is fact and anyone disagreeing with you is dead-wrong.
What you're doing is the opposite of inciting discussion. You're making it seem like it's absolutely not worth discussing anything with you, and I think that's the reason no one has replied to you in this thread.
On top of that, the way you present your arguments is... more high-strung than Larry, a character you said you hate. (And then there are the strawmen...)
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Word of advice... You shouldn't try to go head-on with everyone. You're making it sound like your opinion is fact and anyone disagreeing with you is dead-wrong.
What you're doing is the opposite of inciting discussion. You're making it seem like it's absolutely not worth discussing anything with you, and I think that's the reason no one has replied to you in this thread.
On top of that, the way you present your arguments is... more high-strung than Larry, a character you said you hate. (And then there are the strawmen...)


Hmph. In any case, this is just madness. Not to mention, contradicts Reality. That's the reason I was getting head-on with everyone. Seriously, what would I do if I find a Contradiction in Reality on anyone's statements? :marshall:
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You're... a lively one, aren't you? ;)

Look, I get being fandom enthusiastic and all that, and yes, we do have some... spirited people around here, but it's entirely okay to talk/write normally. You don't have to ham it up or throw character emoticons everywhere to make your point. You don't even have to reference Ace Attorney in your off-topic posts. I mean, you can do all that, but I think it can be a bit exhausting for others to read if you constantly explode everywhere you go. ;)
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Pessimistic_Fool wrote:
You're... a lively one, aren't you? ;)

Look, I get being fandom enthusiastic and all that, and yes, we do have some... spirited people around here, but it's entirely okay to talk/write normally. You don't have to ham it up or throw character emoticons everywhere to make your point. You don't even have to reference Ace Attorney in your off-topic posts. I mean, you can do all that, but I think it can be a bit exhausting for others to read if you constantly explode everywhere you go. ;)


Alright, Fine. But I'll confess something - You're right. I often explode like :yummy:. Boy, I sure starting to get a little angry all on a sudden...
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Hmph. In any case, this is just madness. Not to mention, contradicts Reality. That's the reason I was getting head-on with everyone. Seriously, what would I do if I find a Contradiction in Reality on anyone's statements? :marshall:

I'll have to stop you there. Hardly anything you said is set in reality. You mostly said that:
A) Athena's power isn't lame
B) Athena should've been 21 instead of 18, for the reason that 21 'is more beautiful' than 18
C) It's objectionable to NOT be surprised at ultra-young prodigies anymore
You cannot claim these are facts instead of opinions.

Also, a disagreement does not equal a contradiction.
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Nurio wrote:
I'll have to stop you there. Hardly anything you said is set in reality. You mostly said that:
A) Athena's power isn't lame
B) Athena should've been 21 instead of 18, for the reason that 21 'is more beautiful' than 18
C) It's objectionable to NOT be surprised at ultra-young prodigies anymore
You cannot claim these are facts instead of opinions.

Also, a disagreement does not equal a contradiction.


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Actually. I think there's a reason for her age. They wanted to set the UR-1 incident after Nick's disbarment to create the dark age of law, and she had to be a kid then so everything could be as dramatic as possible. So, since age in AA is literally just a number, they just made the maths and got 18 as her max potential age. That, and every single assistant has to be a perky teenage girl for some reason. Or if they're feeling revolutionary enough, a perky teenage boy.

We did technically have a perky teenaged boy. He grew up into a perky teenaged-hearted man who likes to give everyone hugs. And he has a kickass theme.


Hm, I guess to stay on topic, I'll add my two cents too... Skipping over jerk victims, defendants, or villains, my worst is still Klavier. It's not that I actually dislike him, but he really was the most boring character in AJ, and I didn't care for his cameo appearance in DD. I hold nothing toward him regarding Nick's disbarment because Nick was stupid at the time anyway, but since then, he hasn't done anything to truly redeem himself. His grins could merely be masks to cover for his "actual" self, but I'm really not getting much of that out of the actual canon, so... yeah.

Second worst... eh, I guess I'll go with Regina. Innocent to the point of being oblivious to everything can be a little aggravating sometimes, but it's at least understandable.
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Alright, you're going to create an argument in this thread, buddy!

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Uhm, yes...
You do realize this is a discussion forum, right?

Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
We did technically have a perky teenaged boy. He grew up into a perky teenaged-hearted man who likes to give everyone hugs. And he has a kickass theme.

Wait, who is this? Are you talking about Whatshisname Shields in GK2? Sidekick to Gregory?
I had never considered this, but you're right. Interesting.

Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Hm, I guess to stay on topic, I'll add my two cents too... Skipping over jerk victims, defendants, or villains, my worst is still Klavier. It's not that I actually dislike him, but he really was the most boring character in AJ, and I didn't care for his cameo appearance in DD. I hold nothing toward him regarding Nick's disbarment because Nick was stupid at the time anyway, but since then, he hasn't done anything to truly redeem himself. His grins could merely be masks to cover for his "actual" self, but I'm really not getting much of that out of the actual canon, so... yeah.

Second worst... eh, I guess I'll go with Regina. Innocent to the point of being oblivious to everything can be a little aggravating sometimes, but it's at least understandable.

I can completely agree with this. I don't hate Klavier, but I honestly don't like him at all either. I care so little about him.
As for Regina... Well, interestingly, I dislike her a lot, but I didn't hate her as a character. It's almost as if... The more I disliked a character in AA2-3, the better a character I thought they were. I disliked Ben/Trilo the least in that case, yet he is the worst character from that case, in my book.
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I would have gone for Ben & Trilo as well, but I have a bias for manzai duos, and they definitely pulled off a classic take on the act. Not to mention, hating on Ben who may actually have some sort of personality disorder makes me feel bad. Besides, all the emphasis in the game on how "cute" Regina is supposed to be gave me the opposite effect.

I guess I could also throw in how much I don't care for Yumihiko/Sebastian. I really don't understand why people like him so much. He was just an annoyance to me throughout until a certain point in the last case. I guess he sort of redeemed himself, then...
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
He was just an annoyance to me throughout until a certain point in the last case. I guess he sort of redeemed himself, then...


For what it's worth, I find his level of stupidity quite... impressing.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
I guess I could also throw in how much I don't care for Yumihiko/Sebastian. I really don't understand why people like him so much. He was just an annoyance to me throughout until a certain point in the last case. I guess he sort of redeemed himself, then...

Yumihiko was a character that I could um...quite relate to
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