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Jean x Iris: The ship that changed the world of Ace Attorney Shipping forever. The one ship that brings many gothic horrors and delights.
I'd always thought that was just to troll the Phoenix and Iris fans?
How do I troll myself? :3
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What most people perceived for them as having a relationship, well, I just saw it as them reaching their bond as to that of brothers. Phoenix's career change for Edgey, a very dear friend, who he hasn't even seen in more than a decade...that kind of devotion was very moving. But, when you start to live in a country where that kind of scenario almost becomes common, it's kind of hard to say that it's an exceptional thing. They're even aired in an independent channel around here. Too bad I can't find the video clips to show it to you guys.
As for the second game, about Phoenix's emotional outburst every time Edgey's name was even mentioned... it was just another sign of true friendship for me. I'll admit, though, that Phoenix sounded like a prissy girlfriend but when another one's wounded badly, who wouldn't get emotional? But when everything worked out in the end at 2-4, that's where I can truly say that maybe they had a bond of brotherhood.
Okay, maybe I couldn't explain properly the way I wanted it to be.
But, I'm hoping nobody will take this TOO seriously. It's just a matter of offering opinions, that's all. 
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The majority of the explanation was already listed on the first page, but I'll take a shot at describing how I see it. I have to admit, I was rather biased when I began playing Gyakuten, because I read VGR's take on the game and it just threw one heavy innuendo after another at me.
So that mind-set is kinda stuck in my brain.
When Maya first mentioned Edgeworth in JFA, I wondered what had happened, because Phoenix reacted so badly. I said, rather jokingly, "Did he dump you... again?" (Like after Case 3 when Edgeworth said he never wanted to see Phoenix again because he "saddled him with unnecessary feelings") But when the suicide thing came up, I kinda was surprised... then thought no more about it, cause he was on the cover.
And I understand that losing a very dear friend can make you rather emotional when their name is mentioned, but Phoenix seemed to have a second set of hurt feelings there. Not just the usual thoughts of "Could I have prevented the suicide?", but more.
Um... this isn't working right...
I can't really say that I can see them going on dates, at least not those typically romantic ones, with candle light and all that. But I can see them living together, giving each other the emotional and stable support they need (particularly Edgeworth), relaxing after work and telling each other what a horrible day it was in court because the defendant/client was being an insufferable little annoyance.
Regarding Maya and Phoenix (or pretty much any couple involving Maya) as a couple... Dunno, Maya really doesn't strike me as the type to be in a relationship. At least, not in a very long or serious one. Not to call her a slut or whatever you want, but she might be the type to just squeeze a guy dry for all his money's worth and then leave. But that might be because of her large appetite. I also find Maya to be rather immature, even at the end of T&T, when she was to become the next Master as soon as possible.
However, it could be her upbringing that caused her to be so relationship-incapable. Like she explained with Pearl, a lot of marriages in Kurain break up because the men are basically worthless. Perhaps she saw a lot of sad relationships and decided to not care for getting into one. She might do an obligatory marriage, to keep the main family from going on.
In regards to Phoenix, though, I do think she has some feelings for him. But they seem to not be reciprocated from Phoenix. He seems to see her as a mixture of really good friend, little annoying sister and maybe even somewhat of a "niece"? He treats her and Pearl pretty much the same and that's what I think Phoenix thinks of Pearl, too.
And while I know people who say that Phoenix running across a burning bridge is a big point to Pearl saying "you'll run over hot coals for Mystic Maya", I've known people who did stupider things for good friends.
And for my final debate, I do not see much chance between Phoenix and Iris. I listed it in the thread regarding a possible relationship between them, but to keep myself short, I do not think things could work out well. Or easily, at the very least.
Iris basically pretended to be somebody entirely different while she dated Phoenix and Phoenix thought she was someone else/didn't know that "Iris" existed. All those memories he created with his girlfriend, he thought were with his girlfriend. It's be very difficult to re-start or start up a new relationship with these memories... not quite "tainting", but tinging it.
It could happen. But it would take a lot of work to build it up, they'd need to get to know "the other one" first, perhaps build up a friendship before it can turn into more.
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But I can see them living together, giving each other the emotional and stable support they need (particularly Edgeworth), relaxing after work and telling each other what a horrible day it was in court because the defendant/client was being an insufferable little annoyance.
Y'know....like roommates!
Though I really can't see this happening more because Miles has often mocked Nick on more than one occasion for being an insufferable little annoyance. I can imagine Phoenix sighing and whining and Edgeworth frowning and going "Be quiet I need to plan my case! You brought that problem upon yourself anyway!"
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Y'know....like roommates!
Yeah, except these roommates are in a relationship and f*ck each other's brains out at regular intervals. Nah, we shouldn't turn this into a fight. What I meant was, while also living together, they'd be in a romantic relationship - and really, I don't think Edgeworth, in general, is the type of person to unload on somebody if he were "just a friend". He'd have to be a really, really good friend before he even considered to talk with him about personal stuff that might be bugging him.
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My favorite pairing is Klavier x Apollo and it will be my favorite one as well. Next up is Miles x Phoenix.
Now for a short explanation..
I don't even know why I like KxA so much. I mean, okay. Look at them. You see a rockstar and a rookie attorney, but when you go further into their private lifes and everything, then you'll figure something out (Or at least I have). I can't stand seeing Apollo with Trucy and I honestly don't understand people who ship them. I've seen a lot of Apollos on Facebook, who are in a relationship with their own sister. I mean, okay, this is just how I see it, but this is just wrong. I can't stand seeing them as a couple. As for Klavier x Kristoph, well okay. I actually like Gavincest, I am a huge fan of it.. But it's just exactly the same when you look at Apollo and his sister.
And this is plain wrong.
As for Klavier x Daryan.. okay. They might make a good couple, but I doubt that they would fall in love with eachother. Daryan is, in my optinion, a bad guy who only likes to sleep around. Again, my optinion. If you think otherwise, I'm terribly sorry. Also, Klavier once helped Apollo in court and I like reading fanfics of them being together. I don't have a reason why I actually ship them sosososo much, but hey, it's better instead of shipping Apollo with his own sister.
The same is with Phoenix and Miles. Edgeworth has a sister, remember? The von Karma-person with her whip. Actually, there's also people who ship them. I'm not one of those people. I shipped them about.. dunno, a few months ago? But good. I'm not a big fan of incest, not even in games. And mostly, not in PW. I think, Franziska is not suited to be in a relationship (well, I ship her with Adrian and Larry, but that's mostly it) and neither is Maya. First, because Franziska is always so.. cold. I don't know how to describe this, but she's rather cold-hearted. Actually she also has another side. A nice one. But oh well, now to Maya. Maya is not even suited to be in a serious relationship, although I really do ship Phoenix with Maya. I always did and I will still ship them, but only as a 'mature friendship-couple' (Yeah I made that up. Judge me.), because well.. you see, Maya really wants to be the next Master of Kurain and when she would enter a relationship while she is busy in Kurain, then it won't work out. Firstly, they would have a long-distance relationship and second, they won't even be able to see eachother. But okay, since Phoenix isn't a lawyer anymore, he would have a lot of time to visit her. As for the both (Phoenix x Miles), I really think they would suit as a couple. Not as a couple which is being all romantic and in love, but as a couple which loves it to hang around on a free, lazy day and watch a movie together.
Yeah. I think that's about it.
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CatMuto wrote:
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Y'know....like roommates!
Yeah, except these roommates are in a relationship and f*ck each other's brains out at regular intervals. Nah, we shouldn't turn this into a fight. What I meant was, while also living together, they'd be in a romantic relationship - and really, I don't think Edgeworth, in general, is the type of person to unload on somebody if he were "just a friend". He'd have to be a really, really good friend before he even considered to talk with him about personal stuff that might be bugging him.
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I think you misunderstood what I mean. Everything you described before you added the sex didn't fit the 'couple' schema in my head, it fitted the 'relaxed buddies' and 'roommates' schema. I don't see why talking to someone and living together, especially when you specifically said neither of them seem the romantic type. Take out the dating and you just have a couple of people hanging out together who are best friends. For the record I can't envision Edgeworth emotionally unloading on anyone really, he's too proud.
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I really think they would suit as a couple. Not as a couple which is being all romantic and in love, but as a couple which loves it to hang around on a free, lazy day and watch a movie together.
I'll say a similar thing to Mary, if you take out the romance and love essentially you just leave best friends chilling in a flat watchin stuff because there's nothin better to do. Plus I can't envision Edgeworth getting that relaxed with anyone.
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Pierre wrote:
I'll say a similar thing to Mary, if you take out the romance and love essentially you just leave best friends chilling in a flat watchin stuff because there's nothin better to do. Plus I can't envision Edgeworth getting that relaxed with anyone.
I can't really see Edgeworth in a romantic relationship, so I agree with you. I think, Phoenix and Edgey are better suited to be 'best' friends than lovers.
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I quoted it by accident, sorry..
The beginning was quite fun, just with all the ups and downs
But suddenly, we’re tired, from a waste of meaningless emotions
But suddenly, we’re tired, from a waste of meaningless emotions
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I don't see why talking to someone and living together, especially when you specifically said neither of them seem the romantic type.
Maybe our definition of romantic type is different - to me, a "romantic" person is the type who, like, plans a month ahead a candle light dinner, with a rose in the vase and wine and rose petals leading to the bedroom. Or long walks on the beach, holding hands. Or I dunno, just this really kitschy, romantic stuff. When I say Phoenix and Miles don't strike me as romantic, I mean that, not that they are incapable of having romantic feelings for anybody.
Speaking of Apollo and Trucy.... okay, I knew their half-siblingness before I even played AJ (curse you, Wikipedia, putting voice actors generally in the last line, but this time you didn't and I read the spoiler!) so my eyes might've been super biased and clouded up to seeing any potential feelings between them blossoming.
They really don't work together. I mean, Trucy seems pretty immature and they already acted like siblings. Although I would find it hilarious for them to get closer and then Phoenix drops the bomb. (Wonder how Apollo will react when he realizes he's been carrying around his sister's underwear in his
In regards to Franziska and Miles.... well, possible. I can only see them together if it were an arranged marrige. Neither of them shows anything towards the other except familiarity - or, in Franziska's case, a slight sense of dependence.
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Maybe our definition of romantic type is different - to me, a "romantic" person is the type who, like, plans a month ahead a candle light dinner, with a rose in the vase and wine and rose petals leading to the bedroom. Or long walks on the beach, holding hands. Or I dunno, just this really kitschy, romantic stuff. When I say Phoenix and Miles don't strike me as romantic, I mean that, not that they are incapable of having romantic feelings for anybody.
No that's my definition of romantic hence why I don't think they can have a romantic relationship. Remember 'relationship' alone does not mean bf/gf style going out. They don't have a romantic relationship, they certainly have a close one but that just means they can depend and trust in one another. I wouldn't even say they are 'hang out' friends as much seeing as how their tastes have clearly differentiated over the years but they know they can depend on each other. If anything I'd say they're more like....Battle buddies, cept their battlefield is in the courtroom.
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Let the bloody debate begin.
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To me Phoenix/Maya and Phoenix/Edgeworth aren't complete crack and Phoenix/Iris is not complete canon.
I agree with you on the latter two - I think Narumitsu would work in the game. And I believe I stated in the Phoenix/Iris thread before why I think they're relationship would not work - or, at least, be very hard to do. After all, Phoenix knew Iris as somebody completely different, she was pretending to be somebody else, so Phoenix more fell in love with the image she had created rather than 'herself'. I suppose they could get a relationship to work, but it'd be a long haul, they'd need to start from square one, get to know each other as friends first, before getting romantically involved.
However, I do not see how Phoenix-Maya would work out.
I'm pretty sure Maya has a crush on Phoenix, but it could be one that doesn't last too long. On Phoenix' side, it seems to me he cares for Maya - not quite like a sister, but certainly as the sister of his boss, who he couldn't really save (I don't want to sound like Godot, but Phoenix probably is blaming himself to a certain degree) and he wants to protect her (in her stead).
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CatMuto wrote:
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To me Phoenix/Maya and Phoenix/Edgeworth aren't complete crack and Phoenix/Iris is not complete canon.
I agree with you on the latter two - I think Narumitsu would work in the game. And I believe I stated in the Phoenix/Iris thread before why I think they're relationship would not work - or, at least, be very hard to do. After all, Phoenix knew Iris as somebody completely different, she was pretending to be somebody else, so Phoenix more fell in love with the image she had created rather than 'herself'. I suppose they could get a relationship to work, but it'd be a long haul, they'd need to start from square one, get to know each other as friends first, before getting romantically involved.
However, I do not see how Phoenix-Maya would work out.
I'm pretty sure Maya has a crush on Phoenix, but it could be one that doesn't last too long. On Phoenix' side, it seems to me he cares for Maya - not quite like a sister, but certainly as the sister of his boss, who he couldn't really save (I don't want to sound like Godot, but Phoenix probably is blaming himself to a certain degree) and he wants to protect her (in her stead).
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But Pierre, don't you think that Cat and I have a bit too much history to be fighting to the bloody death over pairings now? And if I disagree with her it's not gonna be a personal attack. (At least I hope not.)
Speaking of which, I would love to debate with her but I had to leave in the middle of typing to eat dinner and wash dishes and when I come back my father is at the computer. v_v (Today is not my day.)
It would be ever so nice if CR had a mobile site. :(
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CatMuto wrote:
I agree with you on the latter two - I think Narumitsu would work in the game. And I believe I stated in the Phoenix/Iris thread before why I think they're relationship would not work - or, at least, be very hard to do. After all, Phoenix knew Iris as somebody completely different, she was pretending to be somebody else, so Phoenix more fell in love with the image she had created rather than 'herself'. I suppose they could get a relationship to work, but it'd be a long haul, they'd need to start from square one, get to know each other as friends first, before getting romantically involved.
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I agree, and I know this is ballsy of me to say, at the end of T&T it kind of made me feel that in some ways Iris was a complete stranger to Phoenix.
: Erm, so Iris, it's been awhile.
: Yes it has. : ........This is hard, in a way it's kind of like talking to a stranger. : ...I'm sorry. : No, no need for apologizing.Rough draft of prison talk featuring Feenie and Rissy. I suppose I could try to write a fanfic showing the Feeniris pairing through my eyes, and I'll try not to overly bash Iris and just be a bit realistic. Like this anti Sora/Kairi Roxas/Namine Pro. Sora/Riku Roxas/Axel video that showed the true side of Sora/Kairi and Roxas/Namine and made Kairi and Namine independent characters.
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However, I do not see how Phoenix-Maya would work out.
I'm pretty sure Maya has a crush on Phoenix, but it could be one that doesn't last too long. On Phoenix' side, it seems to me he cares for Maya - not quite like a sister, but certainly as the sister of his boss, who he couldn't really save (I don't want to sound like Godot, but Phoenix probably is blaming himself to a certain degree) and he wants to protect her (in her stead).
I'm pretty sure Maya has a crush on Phoenix, but it could be one that doesn't last too long. On Phoenix' side, it seems to me he cares for Maya - not quite like a sister, but certainly as the sister of his boss, who he couldn't really save (I don't want to sound like Godot, but Phoenix probably is blaming himself to a certain degree) and he wants to protect her (in her stead).
Now that I think about it, Phoenix and Maya's relationship of Phoenix's side could've started with, "Ok, she is Mia's sister, I need to protect her with my life, and she will work in the offices with me." But then in suddenly became more than that, (unpopular opinion alert!) the idea of Phoenix and Maya having a brother and sister relationship never clicked for me because I think it was mentioned at one point that Phoenix consider's Maya a best friend. (I just wish I remember where that was quoted.)
And I thought it was cute when Phoenix found out that Gumshoe had a crush on Maggey that he wanted to gossip with Maya about it. (proof that Phoenix and Maya still spend time with eachother when they are not dealing with laywer work.)
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Now that I think about it, Phoenix and Maya's relationship of Phoenix's side could've started with, "Ok, she is Mia's sister, I need to protect her with my life, and she will work in the offices with me." But then in suddenly became more than that, (unpopular opinion alert!) the idea of Phoenix and Maya having a brother and sister relationship never clicked for me because I think it was mentioned at one point that Phoenix consider's Maya a best friend. (I just wish I remember where that was quoted.)
And I thought it was cute when Phoenix found out that Gumshoe had a crush on Maggey that he wanted to gossip with Maya about it. (proof that Phoenix and Maya still spend time with eachother when they are not dealing with laywer work.)
And I thought it was cute when Phoenix found out that Gumshoe had a crush on Maggey that he wanted to gossip with Maya about it. (proof that Phoenix and Maya still spend time with eachother when they are not dealing with laywer work.)
*snigger* Sorry. Just hearing about how a guy wants to gossip with a girl makes my Yaoi Fangirlism make him sound foppish. *snigger* Gossiping with a girl at a PJ Party and fluffly slippers and tubs of ice cream...!
Serious now...
Well simply because Phoenix considers Maya a best friend doesn't mean it's the only thing he considers her. There are friends who are best friends with each other, but can still say "this person is like a brother/sister to me" And even lovers can be friends as well as lovers - not friends with benefits, but lovers who can talk to each other like they would be a best friend.
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While I personally support Nick/Maya, I do believe that none of our OTP's regarding a main character will ever become canon. Why? Because even Capcom knows that if one did come true, one side of the fandom will squee, while the rest of the fans will start WWIII. Hey, that rhymed!
The only pairings that are really canon are Ron/Desiree and Winfred/Plum. The rest is left to fan interpretation.
And Klavier/Ema has NO basis in canon whatsoever!
Actually thinking about, I get the feeling that Capcom made these games with the intention to start a pairing debate among fans. Look at the rest of this thread.
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Actually thinking about, I get the feeling that Capcom made these games with the intention to start a pairing debate among fans. Look at the rest of this thread.
Debating things in games - pairings, gameplay, puzzles, practically anything - is a fun thing to do, it keeps boards alive and your interest in the game. And as long as it can be done in a civil, calm matter without resorting to saying "You're dumb because you like this Pairing" or similar, it doesn't harm anybody, does it?
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*sigh* pairing debates...
While I personally support Nick/Maya, I do believe that none of our OTP's regarding a main character will ever become canon. Why? Because even Capcom knows that if one did come true, one side of the fandom will squee, while the rest of the fans will start WWIII. Hey, that rhymed!
The only pairings that are really canon are Ron/Desiree and Winfred/Plum. The rest is left to fan interpretation.
And Klavier/Ema has NO basis in canon whatsoever!
Actually thinking about, I get the feeling that Capcom made these games with the intention to start a pairing debate among fans. Look at the rest of this thread.
It's a dangerous game...
The only way to win is not to play.
While I personally support Nick/Maya, I do believe that none of our OTP's regarding a main character will ever become canon. Why? Because even Capcom knows that if one did come true, one side of the fandom will squee, while the rest of the fans will start WWIII. Hey, that rhymed!
The only pairings that are really canon are Ron/Desiree and Winfred/Plum. The rest is left to fan interpretation.
And Klavier/Ema has NO basis in canon whatsoever!
Actually thinking about, I get the feeling that Capcom made these games with the intention to start a pairing debate among fans. Look at the rest of this thread.
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Sumguy, you're a great guy and all, but like I said, this IS the pairing debate thread, why are you trying to stop the debates?
It's not like me and Cat are debating in the middle of the music section.
And I am also aware that Phoenix/Maya may never happen, but sometimes I might wanna have some fun and tell a canon thumping Feeniris fan, "neither will Feeniris."
And we never know, maybe a certain pairing WILL happen. The fanbase seems more peeved that GK2 may never get an official release.
And the Avatar: The Last Airbender fandom had the bloodiest pairing war ever, the creators knew a lot of fans loved Zuko/Katara but they still ended off with Aang/Katara.
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I can't really say that I can see them going on dates, at least not those typically romantic ones, with candle light and all that. But I can see them living together, giving each other the emotional and stable support they need (particularly Edgeworth), relaxing after work and telling each other what a horrible day it was in court because the defendant/client was being an insufferable little annoyance.
I guess we almost have the same opinion regarding the pairing. I've just replayed the games and my opinion on them hasn't swayed. I just think that if we consider them in a "bf/gf" relationship, for me anyway, it makes their connection a lot less... deep? I can't explain myself clearly.
I'm not hating the pairing it's just that I find it hard to Phoenix and Miles in a romantic relationship when I keep seeing them as brothers or buddies for life. Something like that. The same goes with
and 
. I just cannot see them past a familial relationship. The age isn't the the factor that scares me, it's the level of maturity. Sure, Maya's been a great help to Nick in some cases but most of the time she doesn't act like seventeen-year-old would. Maybe it's her learning environment to blame, but you'd think that being involved in so many gruesome cases would actually straighten up some of her twinks. 
And I'm a sucker of P/I but I get your points, especially to Cat. I rarely write fanfiction about the couple post 3-5 but whenever I do, it's usually centered on angst and drama. They both have problems piling up on each other that romantic feelings will not definitely be included onto their list of priorities. I'm a big of shipping "Feenie" and "Dollie" a lot more though. Pre!3-1 Feenris is my OTP.
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Yeah, I got a feeling about this debate. I got a feeling it won't turn into a nasty game of "kill the competition so this character can be with this character."
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That's refreshing to see. A feeniris fan who doesn't shove the pairing down other people's throats labeling it 100% percent canon just because Iris confessed her feelings at the end of T&T.
I found that part quite adorable for both sides. I love Iris's blushing sprite and the way Phoenix reacted through the whole thing just makes him a lovable dork.
That aside, the other pairing I can't seem to like is Klavier/Apollo. Mainly because of the fact that they're becoming overrated, flooding the kink meme with so many requests and that I can't see the dynamic between the two. If Apollo toughens up a but, maybe I can see them more in a romantic light.
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I perfer Klavier/Franziska and Apollo/Pearl. (Older Pearl.)
I also have a soft spot for Apollo/Trucy.
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*sigh* pairing debates...
While I personally support Nick/Maya, I do believe that none of our OTP's regarding a main character will ever become canon. Why? Because even Capcom knows that if one did come true, one side of the fandom will squee, while the rest of the fans will start WWIII. Hey, that rhymed!
The only pairings that are really canon are Ron/Desiree and Winfred/Plum. The rest is left to fan interpretation.
And Klavier/Ema has NO basis in canon whatsoever!
Actually thinking about, I get the feeling that Capcom made these games with the intention to start a pairing debate among fans. Look at the rest of this thread.
It's a dangerous game...
The only way to win is not to play.
While I personally support Nick/Maya, I do believe that none of our OTP's regarding a main character will ever become canon. Why? Because even Capcom knows that if one did come true, one side of the fandom will squee, while the rest of the fans will start WWIII. Hey, that rhymed!
The only pairings that are really canon are Ron/Desiree and Winfred/Plum. The rest is left to fan interpretation.
And Klavier/Ema has NO basis in canon whatsoever!
Actually thinking about, I get the feeling that Capcom made these games with the intention to start a pairing debate among fans. Look at the rest of this thread.
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The only way to win is not to play.
S'not always the case. Least outside of Capcom.
The Golden Sun series is an example of this. After The Lost Age, Golden Sun had an intense and fierce shipping community on the go but then years later they finally released a DS Golden Sun game where the characters had grown up married and starring their children as the primary protagonists. Needless to say many ships were sunk that day. For the record the confirmed pairings were nothing too unexpected or out there so if this is any precedent I doubt Capcom would go out there and confirm any of the more far-fetched pairings if they ever did decide to emphasize the romance of AA.
I'm sure there's other examples where games with no clear romance eventually go on to declare official match-ups too
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I thought Mia/Diego was canon looking at the official art.
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I still love Ace Attorney even after playing T&T which in my eyes is the Final Fantasy 7 of the series. (And I mean that in a negative way.)
And I'm possibly the only person who DOESN'T want an Ace Attorney anime.
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A bit far-fetched, yes, but it's still a possibility.
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char13happy wrote:
I just hope that Ace Attorney won't ever reach the point that it'll be similar to Harvest Moon. The games are practically bought from the fans mainly for the dating and marriage factor of the game. It's not PURELY about relationships since a farming game, but most players are buying the game for the sake of getting a spouse and having kids instead of the original planting crops and taking care of animals.
A bit far-fetched, yes, but it's still a possibility.
A bit far-fetched, yes, but it's still a possibility.
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And you forgot to mention that people will only like the characters who look pleasing to the eye, even in Ace Attorney.
Overall character development matters more than whether or not a character looks pleasing to the eyes.
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char13happy wrote:
I just hope that Ace Attorney won't ever reach the point that it'll be similar to Harvest Moon. The games are practically bought from the fans mainly for the dating and marriage factor of the game. It's not PURELY about relationships since a farming game, but most players are buying the game for the sake of getting a spouse and having kids instead of the original planting crops and taking care of animals.
I freely admit, I do enjoy the marriage aspect to Harvest Moon games - but most games do have Marriage as an added feature that is sometimes even required for game fulfillment. Example, to obtain all 100 Notes in Magical Melody, you're required to get married and have a child as it gives you 4-5 Notes. And Friends of Mineral Town had no clear story, you could do whatever you wanted, the game didn't get an ending screen or staff credit until you married. Some games have no marriage option - the Gameboy Harvest Moon or Save the Homeland. StH did suffer from that, but I think it mostly suffered from having only 1 Year Gameplay and all Friendships were reset to 0 every time you started a new game, so you had to redo everything to get an ending.
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I still love Ace Attorney even after playing T&T which in my eyes is the Final Fantasy 7 of the series. (And I mean that in a negative way.)
Sweetness!
I agree, I thought T&T was sort of superfluous to the overall series. It focused on the Fey Clan. And that's it. Phoenix never learned anything in that game, unlike 2-4, no matter how much I dislike that case.
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So discuss, like the idea? Dislike the idea? Think it's possible? Think it's impossible?
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Well, let's see, Franny would be 26 by the time Klavier even appears. I somehow don't think it would happen, simply because he is not perfect. Klavier may have won against Phoenix once, but only because of forged evidence (not that she minds) which would've been used even if Phoenix had not been the lawyer and Klavier wouldn't have known about it. And afterwards, he constantly loses to Apollo. Franny don't like that at all! He's too easy-going, like he doesn't care what's going on in court and doesn't think it's so important...
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*imitates Maya's thinking pose* You got a point, and you just made Phoenix/Franziska seem more possible. I was thinking Franny would've matured a bit by the age of 26 though.
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Well, let's see, Franny would be 26 by the time Klavier even appears. I somehow don't think it would happen, simply because he is not perfect. Klavier may have won against Phoenix once, but only because of forged evidence (not that she minds) which would've been used even if Phoenix had not been the lawyer and Klavier wouldn't have known about it. And afterwards, he constantly loses to Apollo. Franny don't like that at all! He's too easy-going, like he doesn't care what's going on in court and doesn't think it's so important...
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Well, technically there is that small window of time where 17-year-old Klavier faces off against Phoenix. I could see Franziska possibly confronting him and blaming him for ruining her chance to defeat Phoenix
It's possible they could work as a couple, but I think the Phoenix thing would always be in the back of her mind.
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I shipped Nick X Mia until the tragedy known as 1-2. I currently ship him with Maya, and ship Atmey with Adrian. He hints he finds her attractive if you present her profile to him.
I never noticed that, I need to replay case 2 of T&T. For Maya I had a hard time shipping the two due to the jokes of her being mistaken as his sister while Maya teases him when she thought he had a crush on another girl, that's not something you'd do if you liked a boy. If there was no problems with the ship you wouldn't need a third party intervention(a.k.a. Pearl) to force them together and constantly tell the fans about shipping them, using reverse psychology or not. He did compliment on her dress but Nick does have an history to like cute things and appreciate a woman's beauty without having any romantic feelings involved. It's possible in the future if she matured a little, however in the games I really couldn't see it other than a brother and sister, her damsel in distress role felt more like plot devices to me. That's my two cents on it.
I don't ship Miles/Phoenix but it seems more plausible to me as unrequited crush. You have someone in the same class for only a year then when they leave you so you throw your future away and your artist dreams to become a defense attorney just to meet him as you harass them by constantly trying to get in touch with them...yeeaaaaah....
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Maya teases him when she thought he had a crush on another girl, that's not something you'd do if you liked a boy.
Tons of manga would like to disagree with you...
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You got a point, and you just made Phoenix/Franziska seem more possible.
Wait, how did I do that?
By saying Phoenix was using forged evidence? I dunno how that would work, seeing as how Phoenix had stated that, if he had known it had been forged, he'd have never presented the evidence in court.
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I don't ship Miles/Phoenix but it seems more plausible to me as unrequited crush. You have someone in the same class for only a year then when they leave you so you throw your future away and your artist dreams to become a defense attorney just to meet him as you harass them by constantly trying to get in touch with them...wtf Phoenix???
That also seemed to always be a possibility... I mean, Phoenix' whole drive to become a lawyer was to meet Edgeworth. XD
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