Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby

Page 37 of 60[ 2372 posts ]
Go to page Previous  1 ... 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 ... 60  Next
 


Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

PCHOOO

Gender: Male

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:51 pm

Posts: 1285

:udgy: Um... those cough ups are 37 pages and well over a year old. I'm sure they've all been thoroughly discussed over this topic's course. Try looking at some of the more recent ones. :garyuu:
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Hungary

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:15 pm

Posts: 1019

Maybe it was already pointed out, but in 3-5...
Spoiler:
When Maya channels Dahlia, she looks identical to Iris, and it confuses everybody. But Maya and Iris' outfits aren't identical. I mean, Iris's cloth is lighter purple than Maya's, she has only two pearls on her necklace (Maya has four), and her Magatama is purple (Maya's is orange).
Even when Dahlia's spirit leaves Maya's body, Maya is in the Iris-style clothes and has a purple Magatama, however, a little later when she testifies, she is in her regular outfit.

Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

nuuuuu, stoooooop

Gender: Female

Location: America

Rank: Admin

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:16 am

Posts: 5255

Szabu wrote:
Maybe it was already pointed out, but in 3-5...
Spoiler:
When Maya channels Dahlia, she looks identical to Iris, and it confuses everybody. But Maya and Iris' outfits aren't identical. I mean, Iris's cloth is lighter purple than Maya's, she has only two pearls on her necklace (Maya has four), and her Magatama is purple (Maya's is orange).
Even when Dahlia's spirit leaves Maya's body, Maya is in the Iris-style clothes and has a purple Magatama, however, a little later when she testifies, she is in her regular outfit.


Spoiler:
Maya was given acolyte robes for her late night training in the temple, which is why she's wearing them when she summons Dahlia. Since Maya and Iris both have long black hair, all Dahlia had to do was style her hair for the illusion to be complete. You can kind of see that Mysty was wearing the same robes as well, under her cloak.

Once Dahlia was forced out and Maya restored, she probably just changed clothes during the recess. She'd spent the last few days in them, after all.

ImageImage
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Hungary

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:15 pm

Posts: 1019

Croik wrote:
Szabu wrote:
Maybe it was already pointed out, but in 3-5...
Spoiler:
When Maya channels Dahlia, she looks identical to Iris, and it confuses everybody. But Maya and Iris' outfits aren't identical. I mean, Iris's cloth is lighter purple than Maya's, she has only two pearls on her necklace (Maya has four), and her Magatama is purple (Maya's is orange).
Even when Dahlia's spirit leaves Maya's body, Maya is in the Iris-style clothes and has a purple Magatama, however, a little later when she testifies, she is in her regular outfit.


Spoiler:
Maya was given acolyte robes for her late night training in the temple, which is why she's wearing them when she summons Dahlia. Since Maya and Iris both have long black hair, all Dahlia had to do was style her hair for the illusion to be complete. You can kind of see that Mysty was wearing the same robes as well, under her cloak.

Once Dahlia was forced out and Maya restored, she probably just changed clothes during the recess. She'd spent the last few days in them, after all.


It sounds like a logical explanation.
But why on Earth did she need to change Magatamas for training? :) Not as if it really mattered.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

Name: Easy Way Out (for the Murderer)
Location: 4-1
Spoiler: 4-1
When you present the Bloody Ace, Kristoph knows its forged because he has the real one. So why didn't he demand an examination of the submitted Bloody Ace, such as a fingerprint search or testing the blood? That would have clearly shown that it was not a card handled during Shadi and Phoenix's game, and it was not Shadi's blood.

Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

nuuuuu, stoooooop

Gender: Female

Location: America

Rank: Admin

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:16 am

Posts: 5255

Bad Player wrote:
Name: Easy Way Out (for the Murderer)
Location: 4-1
Spoiler: 4-1
When you present the Bloody Ace, Kristoph knows its forged because he has the real one. So why didn't he demand an examination of the submitted Bloody Ace, such as a fingerprint search or testing the blood? That would have clearly shown that it was not a card handled during Shadi and Phoenix's game, and it was not Shadi's blood.


There's a thread in the GS4 section for GS4 specific coughups, but I'll answer this here~

Spoiler:
Right after presenting it, Phoenix told him, "Only the real killer could tell if this was real or not." Whether or not that's actually true, it panicked Kristoph into shutting his mouth. Phoenix bluffed him.

ImageImage
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

QUIET PLEASE. It's snacktime.

Gender: Male

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:32 pm

Posts: 17

Name: The Mysterious Phone Conversation ^_^
Location: 1-2

In the span of the Turnabout Sisters case, the recorded phone conversation between Maya and Mia keeps changing. I'm not just saying some things are omitted, but things that Mia and Maya never said suddenly appear, and other lines are paraphrased. Since it's a recorded conversation, it shouldn't change any. But when you first hear it at the beginning, when you check it in the Court Record, and when you quote it in court, etc... all the time, the conversation is changing, new lines are being added in, and some lines are being altered. When I played it, I kept noticing that, thinking "Huh? They didn't say that!"
Image Image Image
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Hungary

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:15 pm

Posts: 1019

Now I'm curious. Can you copy that conversation here (in its multiple forms).
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

In the Court Record is abridged, since the conversation would be much too long anyway.

And anything they say in court you can interpret them as paraphrasing it :P
Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

I AM AMI

Gender: None specified

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:34 am

Posts: 111

This is a looong tread, so please forgive me if this has already been addressed...

In 3-3, Jean's French is positively atrocious. Horrifically bad.

Most of it - the misuse of 'la', for example - can be explained by assuming he doesn't actually speak French, and is just slipping in a few random words he does know. But one only happens due to the fact that the dialogue is written out in the game, not spoken.

He frequently refers to various male characters as 'Mon. <whatever>'. The abbreviation for Monsieur is 'M.'...'Mon.' is...well, it's actually meaningless, but it's close to 'Mons.', an abbreviation for Monsignor, a title within the hierarchy of the Catholic church. So, it's kind of fun to imagine Jean calling Nick 'Monsignor Wright'. :spit:
Image
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

Kamino Neko wrote:
He frequently refers to various male characters as 'Mon. <whatever>'. The abbreviation for Monsieur is 'M.'...'Mon.' is...well, it's actually meaningless, but it's close to 'Mons.', an abbreviation for Monsignor, a title within the hierarchy of the Catholic church. So, it's kind of fun to imagine Jean calling Nick 'Monsignor Wright'. :spit:


Perhaps they just used Mon. instead of M. so that the players who didn't really know French could be sure he was saying Monsieur instead of some other word?
Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

I AM AMI

Gender: None specified

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:34 am

Posts: 111

That's certainly possible, but for people who do know enough French to catch it (and I'm far from fluent), it just looks really weird.

And Nick as a Catholic clergyman is just too awesome an image. :gant-clap:
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Hungary

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:15 pm

Posts: 1019

I kinda speak French and I have to say, Jean speaks French horribly. However, what's weird, some of his sentences like "Naturellement, ma fille." are correct, but even Trés Bien is wrong (the accent should be in the other direction).
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title

Gender: Male

Location: England

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:03 pm

Posts: 931

The 'por favor' incident suggests that Jean's just faking being French.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

I honestly doubt he's faking it, since he apparently studied in France xD


Wait... maybe he's such a bad cook because he is faking it, so he didn't understand anything his teacher said! :D (Except "you need to study for 10 more years".)


Although I honestly do think the 'por favor' thing was for humor ^_~
Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Otaku, #1 Machi fan, #2 Machi Fan

Gender: Male

Location: Engl- Ooh, over 3000 posts. (England)

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:06 pm

Posts: 3781

Name: Crazy or Not Crazy?
Type of cough-up: IDK
Location: Turnabout Goodbyes
Description: So we all know that Yanni doesn't have brain damage. Right? Well then why did he tell Polly to remember DL-6, therefor creating the possibilty of being caught? And why didn't he burn the note, but keep it in the place where anyone can wander in and ask Polly how to open?
Image
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOGANT
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Hahahahaha! Thank you Vickinator!

Gender: Female

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:30 pm

Posts: 410

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but:

Name: Didn't Feel Like Checking Those
Type of cough up: Erm...dunno...easier way out?
Location: DL-6 Incident (so I guess 1-4)
Spoilerific:
Spoiler:
Okay, so this took place in a courthouse elevator right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually security cameras everywhere in courthouses? Couldn't they just go back, look at the tape, and see, "Oh, no, this didn't actually happen while the power was out--the little boy threw the gun and shot the door, which opened, then von Karma killed Gregory"?

The only explanation I can think of is that von Karma was in charge of the investigation, and decided not to check the security tapes. But still, if he had that kind of power, why did he let them use a spirit medium?

Image

Thank you to the awesome Vickinator for my signature! She is the best!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Otaku, #1 Machi fan, #2 Machi Fan

Gender: Male

Location: Engl- Ooh, over 3000 posts. (England)

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:06 pm

Posts: 3781

ILikeShinyMirrors wrote:
Sorry if this has been mentioned, but:

Name: Didn't Feel Like Checking Those
Type of cough up: Erm...dunno...easier way out?
Location: DL-6 Incident (so I guess 1-4)
Spoilerific:
Spoiler:
Okay, so this took place in a courthouse elevator right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually security cameras everywhere in courthouses? Couldn't they just go back, look at the tape, and see, "Oh, no, this didn't actually happen while the power was out--the little boy threw the gun and shot the door, which opened, then von Karma killed Gregory"?

The only explanation I can think of is that von Karma was in charge of the investigation, and decided not to check the security tapes. But still, if he had that kind of power, why did he let them use a spirit medium?


I don't think von Karma was in charge, though. Hammond won.
Image
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOGANT
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Hahahahaha! Thank you Vickinator!

Gender: Female

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:30 pm

Posts: 410

DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
ILikeShinyMirrors wrote:
Sorry if this has been mentioned, but:

Name: Didn't Feel Like Checking Those
Type of cough up: Erm...dunno...easier way out?
Location: DL-6 Incident (so I guess 1-4)
Spoilerific:
Spoiler:
Okay, so this took place in a courthouse elevator right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually security cameras everywhere in courthouses? Couldn't they just go back, look at the tape, and see, "Oh, no, this didn't actually happen while the power was out--the little boy threw the gun and shot the door, which opened, then von Karma killed Gregory"?

The only explanation I can think of is that von Karma was in charge of the investigation, and decided not to check the security tapes. But still, if he had that kind of power, why did he let them use a spirit medium?


I don't think von Karma was in charge, though. Hammond won.


Exactly. So how do we explain this?
Image

Thank you to the awesome Vickinator for my signature! She is the best!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

No security cameras >.> It's weird, but it's simple and works.


Ockham's razor ftw!
Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

nuuuuu, stoooooop

Gender: Female

Location: America

Rank: Admin

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:16 am

Posts: 5255

Maybe the camera was simply damaged in the quake...? Or the security room?
ImageImage
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Hahahahaha! Thank you Vickinator!

Gender: Female

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:30 pm

Posts: 410

Oh, yes, I suppose you're right. XD If there was no power, then there's a good chance the cameras wouldn't be working, isn't there? XD
Image

Thank you to the awesome Vickinator for my signature! She is the best!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Otaku, #1 Machi fan, #2 Machi Fan

Gender: Male

Location: Engl- Ooh, over 3000 posts. (England)

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:06 pm

Posts: 3781

Gah! So obvious!
Image
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOGANT
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Ready to RAWK!?

Gender: Male

Location: Ontario, Canada.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Posts: 9051

ILikeShinyMirrors wrote:
Oh, yes, I suppose you're right. XD If there was no power, then there's a good chance the cameras wouldn't be working, isn't there? XD


Power was back on, actually... Unless you have an explanation as to how else...

Spoiler: 1-4
Manfred could have gotten into the elevator?

And seen the gun?


I believe that the correct possibilities would have been one of these:

1. There were no cameras in the courthouse.
2. If there were, they would need time to be rebooted after the power came back on, in order to record everything.

However... Maybe there's a security guard in the room, right? If that was the case, he could have still seen the act... right?

Sadly, this is not the case. As soon as the power went out, security would be forced to guard the exits of the courthouse, so that no "Suspects" could escape. Rest assured, if a criminal wanted the best time to escape and not be caught on camera, it would be while everyone is scrambling around trying to get the situation under control, and assess the damage, with the lights out, and no cameras on.

Spoiler: 1-4. Summary, and my final points explained
The cameras aren't recording, and security is trying to keep order. Clearly, no one was in the hallway, or else they would have seen Manfred fire the gun (Lights would've come back on, thus showing him shooting Gregory), AND the original shot that hit Manfred. If there were any cameras, they couldn't record it. And even THEN, the idea of there being a camera in the elevator is unproven in the case, and thus, speculation...


However, if there was a camera, it was rebooting its systems. Anyone who has owned/used a desktop computer, and used it when the power went out, knows good and well that it has to reboot its systems when the power comes back on. And some computers require User Input to be made afterwards, and there wouldn't be a guard in the security room to do that anyways, since they would be tending to the aftermath of the quake.

Image That detailed enough? Heh...
Image
Image Image Image Image
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title

Fighting for the acquittal... literally

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:57 pm

Posts: 18

Yay, first post! :gant-clap:

Anyway, they thought the murder occurred while the power was out, so there's no guarantee that they'd even check the tapes.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Hahahahaha! Thank you Vickinator!

Gender: Female

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:30 pm

Posts: 410

Hero of Defense wrote:
Yay, first post! :gant-clap:

Anyway, they thought the murder occurred while the power was out, so there's no guarantee that they'd even check the tapes.


Welcome to court-records!! And to everyone else (especially Wrestlemania), thank you, I can sleep better at night now. XD
Image

Thank you to the awesome Vickinator for my signature! She is the best!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title

Gender: None specified

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:22 pm

Posts: 361

Name: Whose Side are You On, Anyway?
Type of Cough-up: Script Error?
Location: 3-4

If you present wrong evidence, one of Mia's lines will claim that "the defendant is lying." Mia is a defense attorney, so the defendant is her client. Why would Mia want to accuse him of lying?

Possible solution: The translators/writers made a mistake. It should have said "witness."
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Hahahahaha! Thank you Vickinator!

Gender: Female

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:30 pm

Posts: 410

moonfall wrote:
Name: Whose Side are You On, Anyway?
Type of Cough-up: Script Error?
Location: 3-4

If you present wrong evidence, one of Mia's lines will claim that "the defendant is lying." Mia is a defense attorney, so the defendant is her client. Why would Mia want to accuse him of lying?

Possible solution: The translators/writers made a mistake. It should have said "witness."


Who is on the stand when she says this? If I remember right (which is kind of rare sometimes XD), there's a point in that case where the defendant DOES lie to cover up for Dahlia...but even if that's wrong, I'm almost positive he testifies about something. So if you present the wrong evidence to one of his statements, you still think it's the right evidence, so you WOULD say, "The defendant is lying because of this evidence...Judge: No he's not etc."

There have been many times when the defendant in one of your cases has lied of the stand. Sometimes you have to prove them wrong to prove their innocence. :-D

But if it was just a witness on the stand, then yeah, that would be a script error.
Image

Thank you to the awesome Vickinator for my signature! She is the best!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Ready to RAWK!?

Gender: Male

Location: Ontario, Canada.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Posts: 9051

moonfall wrote:
Name: Whose Side are You On, Anyway?
Type of Cough-up: Script Error?
Location: 3-4

If you present wrong evidence, one of Mia's lines will claim that "the defendant is lying." Mia is a defense attorney, so the defendant is her client. Why would Mia want to accuse him of lying?

Possible solution: The translators/writers made a mistake. It should have said "witness."


Well, in BOTH cases Mia has been in, her client has lied repeatedly while on, and off, the stand... And the argument of "Mia is a defense attorney, so the defendant is her client. Why would Mia want to accuse him of lying?" as is immediately torn down by Grossberg in 3-1, and Gavin in 4-1. Heck, it's also in 3-2 numerous times, but lets not get off topic...

A Defense Attorney's job, in the PW Universe only, sadly, is not to cover for their client, but to find the truth. A point which is illustrated numerous times in the series, including by Edgeworth, Mia, and many others. Her goal isn't just to help her client, but to find out everything that really happened in the cases she works on...

And if that means that she has to tear down the walls that whoever is lying to her put up... Defendant included... than that's just how it works and she knows that she has to simply tear down the walls and expose the truth behind the walls of lies.

... at least, that's what I think.
Image
Image Image Image Image
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Powers Fan

Gender: None specified

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:46 am

Posts: 703

Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Morgan's Letter
Type of cough-up: Story Inconsistency
Location: 3-5
Description: When Morgan is telling Pearl about the letter, she says hid it before being brought there. One would naturally assume this means before being placed in the detention center, since that would be the most convenient time to do so. Mailing it somewhere is possible, but I would think they screen mail in such places. However, Dahlia states that she was told of the plan by Morgan AFTER the woman was already in custody, when they were in the same center. While it's true Morgan had been planning to kill off Maya for quite some time, the letter she left is quite specific. She could have just assumed Dahlia would help her since it was because of Mia she had been arrested and placed on Death Row, but that strikes me as a bit sloppy, given how much she wanted her revenge. If Dahlia said no or somehow got off, the whole plan would be ruined. Plus, a lot of stuff would suggest it had all been planned out beforehand, like knowing about the "lights-out" bell and such.

:agent-Smith: "You just wish you could talk in Webdings."

Come play Ghost Trick Mafia!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Powers Fan

Gender: None specified

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:46 am

Posts: 703

Spoiler: JFA+T&T
In regards to the Psychelocks not showing up at points when it seems they should, I believe they don't simply show up when a person lies, but when a purposely hiding something and trying hard to do so. Otherwise, Phoenix would probably be seeing those things every five seconds, whenever someone told even the smallest lie. I also think their mental state is part of it, since they are locks on a persons heart. You're not going to suffer or be psychelocked if you lie and tell a person you like their outfit when you don't, because it's not the type of thing you're likely to think much about.

The psychelocks seem to appear when it comes to secrets the people want to protect desperately and are afraid of being found out. I think it is that twinge of fear when you ask about something that makes the locks show up, even if it's not one you see. Matt's a complete sociopath-even a lie detector wouldn't be able to get him. The only time we see him truly show fear is when he realizes his assassin is coming to get him for his plotting. Morgan also seems quite strong emotionally-even when she is defeated, she doesn't break down, only gets angry but remains composed. As for Ron...>_>; Let's just say he's a very unique individual who doesn't really seem to feel much normal fear. He just kind of flails in the face of danger.

:agent-Smith: "You just wish you could talk in Webdings."

Come play Ghost Trick Mafia!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Ready to RAWK!?

Gender: Male

Location: Ontario, Canada.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Posts: 9051

TheSteelSamurai wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers. The first post
Name: Morgan's Letter
Type of cough-up: Story Inconsistency
Location: 3-5
Description: When Morgan is telling Pearl about the letter, she says hid it before being brought there. One would naturally assume this means before being placed in the detention center, since that would be the most convenient time to do so. Mailing it somewhere is possible, but I would think they screen mail in such places. However, Dahlia states that she was told of the plan by Morgan AFTER the woman was already in custody, when they were in the same center. While it's true Morgan had been planning to kill off Maya for quite some time, the letter she left is quite specific. She could have just assumed Dahlia would help her since it was because of Mia she had been arrested and placed on Death Row, but that strikes me as a bit sloppy, given how much she wanted her revenge. If Dahlia said no or somehow got off, the whole plan would be ruined. Plus, a lot of stuff would suggest it had all been planned out beforehand, like knowing about the "lights-out" bell and such.


I'm gonna attack this particular part of the post, and someone else, if they want, can tackle the second part:

Firstly, SPOILER TAG THIS!!! Ugh...

And I will as well!

Spoiler: My Reply! 2-2, 3-1, 3-4, and 3-5 spoilers
Alright. Before taken away in 2-2, she made SURE to hide the letter in a safe place for Pearl to find it.

This covers the FIRST part of "When did she hide it?". Now, the aspect of the contents in relation to the letter:

For starters, Morgan knew how far Dahlia goes to get revenge on people who angered her, seeing as how she killed her Step-Sister, and later on, her Ex-Boyfriend, to keep them both from talking. She also killed Diego Armando, who had been close to figuring everything out, and proving she was a killer, and then she tried to kill Phoenix, because he wouldn't give her back the necklace & Charm.

Morgan KNEW that if Dahlia was willing to go to THOSE extremes for dealing with them, she would, without a doubt, want to get revenge on Mia Fey. It wasn't a "Maybe she'd do it", it was a "It's not in her to NOT do it!" that had Morgan appeal to Dahlia's vengeful nature.

Next, we have the "Lights Out Bell". This is a bit lengthly, but bear with me: Iris and Dahlia talked with each other for a very long time, to discuss things such as the day's agenda. In order to make sure Iris stayed with her, Dahlia would have tried getting to know her sister better. This would've also given Dahlia lots of information concerning Hazakura Temple, which, many years later, she would tell Morgan Fey in order to help with the creation and execution of the plan. Naturally, the fact that for many years, Iris would have to ring the Lights-Out Bell at the same time, would've been something she would've talked about numerous times. We know Dahlia has a long memory as well, as she said so herself.

Finally, the main focus of the letter was NOT to kill Maya Fey. The final sentence of the letter states, quite clearly, that Pearl was apparantly expected to "Gravely roast The Master in the fires of Hades"... While I doubt Pearl knows who Hades is, and why this page is even IN there, it still tells us that Morgan was talking about Misty Fey, and not Maya.

My stance is this: Dahlia was supposed to take care of Maya, and Misty Fey was also supposed to be killed that night... however, the details of the idea BEHIND the killing of Misty Fey are unknown... I assume Dahlia was supposed to kill, and then Pearl was given the rather ridiculous task of Body Disposal... It's stupid, but the final line points to this.


However, there is ONE question you did not address:

"How did Morgan KNOW this was going to occur for this long?"

Perhaps someone could explain how she had knowledge of such things as "The Special Course Appealing to Maya", "Misty Fey Appearing", etc.?
Image
Image Image Image Image
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

Spoiler: A lot of cases that I'm too lazy to list
Something to add about when she put it in there and Dahlia consent: 3-1 happened 4 or 5 years before 2-2. Since Morgan is Dahlia's mother, I'm sure they could've arranged to see each other and formulated the plan there. Godot would still be in a coma, so they probably would've deleted this tape by now.

Anyway, for how Morgan knew this was going to happen... it's very simple.
"Pearl, my child. This is my final request: Sign up Maya for the Special Course at Hazakura Temple and follow the instructions in my hidden letter."
But for Misty Fey appearing.... I don't really know. The only thing I can come up with is that Morgan was talking about Maya when she said 'The Master' since, as long as Misty didn't return, Maya was next in line, and Misty's time to return is almost up. She could've assumed that she wouldn't be able to put this plan in motion for another few years until Maya was the master.

Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title

Fighting for the acquittal... literally

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:57 pm

Posts: 18

Wrestlemania wrote:
However, there is ONE question you did not address:

"How did Morgan KNOW this was going to occur for this long?"

Perhaps someone could explain how she had knowledge of such things as "The Special Course Appealing to Maya", "Misty Fey Appearing", etc.?

Spoiler: Special Course
Morgan may have told Pearl to convince Maya to take the course. Given Maya's personality, she likely jumped at the chance.


I can't explain the second part, especially considering that Misty was thought to be dead.
Spoiler:
Perhaps she referred to Maya as "The Master" and aimed that part of the letter at Dahlia rather than Pearl?
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Ready to RAWK!?

Gender: Male

Location: Ontario, Canada.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Posts: 9051

Hero of Defense wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
However, there is ONE question you did not address:

"How did Morgan KNOW this was going to occur for this long?"

Perhaps someone could explain how she had knowledge of such things as "The Special Course Appealing to Maya", "Misty Fey Appearing", etc.?

Spoiler: Special Course
Morgan may have told Pearl to convince Maya to take the course. Given Maya's personality, she likely jumped at the chance.


I can't explain the second part, especially considering that Misty was thought to be dead.
Spoiler:
Perhaps she referred to Maya as "The Master" and aimed that part of the letter at Dahlia rather than Pearl?


I'm glad you saw through my first question, since I was hoping someone would... Yes, I knew the answer to the first question before I asked it, but I like watching others answer my questions. :gymshoe:

Spoiler: In regards to the second one, however...
Your explanation doesn't make much sense, since it is almost canon, that Morgan and Dahlia had to explain the entire plan from the start, while in the cell together. Also, remember how Dahlia mentions that Bikini was supposed to have seen Maya dead and "Iris" there, and then she would have thought Iris had killed Maya... if Maya had been burned, that part of the plan would've failed.

I WILL, however, state that asking Dahlia to burn the corpse by letter wouldn't have done anything for Dahlia. She wanted to kill Maya in order to get revenge on Mia. There's no "Insult to Injury" that could be done by burning the body to a crisp...


At the end there, I kind've lost my remaining train of thought. Sorry, it's been happening a lot lately. :sadshoe:
Image
Image Image Image Image
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

And everyone ignores my post :(


Spoiler: 3-5
Where'd you get burning the body from, Wrestle? o.o If you're talking about the "roast in Hades" part, I don't think that's what she meant....

Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Ready to RAWK!?

Gender: Male

Location: Ontario, Canada.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Posts: 9051

Bad Player wrote:
And everyone ignores my post :(


Spoiler: 3-5
Where'd you get burning the body from, Wrestle? o.o If you're talking about the "roast in Hades" part, I don't think that's what she meant....


Sorry, ese. :gymshoe:

Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers... kinda
What the heck else could "Gravely Roast the Master in the fires of Hades" mean!? I'm a pretty deep guy, but I don't exactly see any deeper meaning to that particular message...

Image
Image Image Image Image
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

1000% Knight

Gender: Male

Rank: Moderators

Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:06 pm

Posts: 6932

Spoiler: 3-5
Kill. Simple as that. Not 'Burn the body'.

Image
Credit to Evolina for the sig+avatar!
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title

Gender: None specified

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:22 pm

Posts: 361

When I was talking about Mia and the "defendant lying," this is when "Melissa' first takes the stand. It is her that Mia is trying to prove a liar, not the defendant, Terry Fawles, at this point.
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
User avatar

Ready to RAWK!?

Gender: Male

Location: Ontario, Canada.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Posts: 9051

Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5
Kill. Simple as that. Not 'Burn the body'.


Sorry, it's not nearly that simple. If the latter part of the letter was honestly, just that, then I can only wonder what the hell the Planning Session was like.

"Okay, you have to KILL her... Understand!?"
"... I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow."
"Fine, I'll write you a note."
"YAY! I CAN READ THINGS!"

... Sorry, had 2.

And Moonfall? He already lies a few times by then, actually... in fact, Gumshoe even says he lied at one point, depending on what you press...
Image
Image Image Image Image
Posted by Request.
Sig by Elriel. Avatar taken from a YouTube video of Rawk Hawk's Theme.
Sig changed on December 08, 2008. Avatar changed on December 14, 2008.
Page 37 of 60 [ 2372 posts ] 
Go to page Previous  1 ... 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 ... 60  Next
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  

 Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby

Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 49 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
Jump to:  
News News
Powered by phpBB

phpBB SEO