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Keep this in mind, though:
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Hero of Defense wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
However, there is ONE question you did not address:
"How did Morgan KNOW this was going to occur for this long?"
Perhaps someone could explain how she had knowledge of such things as "The Special Course Appealing to Maya", "Misty Fey Appearing", etc.?
"How did Morgan KNOW this was going to occur for this long?"
Perhaps someone could explain how she had knowledge of such things as "The Special Course Appealing to Maya", "Misty Fey Appearing", etc.?
Spoiler: Special Course
I can't explain the second part, especially considering that Misty was thought to be dead.
Spoiler:
I'm glad you saw through my first question, since I was hoping someone would... Yes, I knew the answer to the first question before I asked it, but I like watching others answer my questions.
Spoiler: In regards to the second one, however...
At the end there, I kind've lost my remaining train of thought. Sorry, it's been happening a lot lately.
Oh, haha.
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Still, I think it's just a huge plothole to be honest.
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Oh, haha.
Still, I think it's just a huge plothole to be honest.
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Still, I think it's just a huge plothole to be honest.
Actually, I don't... if you're starting to feel a slightly cold chill right about now, you fell into my trap.
My idea is simple:
Spoiler: 3-5, 2-2, blah blah blah.
... Oh, and welcome to CR. I'm the official "PW Obsessed Freak", Wrestlemania!
How obsessed am I? I put something in my spoiler tag for someone to catch me on, just so this can run longer... the debate, I mean. Heh...
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Actually, I don't... if you're starting to feel a slightly cold chill right about now, you fell into my trap.
My idea is simple:
... Oh, and welcome to CR. I'm the official "PW Obsessed Freak", Wrestlemania!
How obsessed am I? I put something in my spoiler tag for someone to catch me on, just so this can run longer... the debate, I mean. Heh...
My idea is simple:
Spoiler: 3-5, 2-2, blah blah blah.
... Oh, and welcome to CR. I'm the official "PW Obsessed Freak", Wrestlemania!
How obsessed am I? I put something in my spoiler tag for someone to catch me on, just so this can run longer... the debate, I mean. Heh...
Don't worry. I'm fully aware of your love of playing Devil's Advocate.
Anyway, I'm forced to agree with you on this.
*coffee grenades*
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And you, my friend, have fallen into the trap of idioms ^_~
Spoiler: All the ones we've been talking about >.>
No, THIS is the letter!
Spoiler: Major Spoilers!
Aha! Aha! Aha! Aha! Aha! Aha! Aha! Aha! Ah... Arse moment. Anyways...
Lets consider were we stand, currently...
Spoiler: T&T Spoilers, and if you don't know that by now, *Whacks you in the head with cane*
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I can barely follow any of this.But I will say this, and I'm not sure if it even has to do with anything that hasn't already been established, but...
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*ahem* Again, sorry if all of that was irrelevant. XD
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Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler: Scroll up a bit to see
Spoiler: 3-5
Regy Rusty wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5
Alright, I'm amazed NO ONE caught me on this point yet, so I'm just going to blurt it out now:
Spoiler: 2-2, and nothing else!
... And now to try to tackle Regy's point... assuming I CAN in my spoiler tag.
Spoiler: Take a wild guess what our topic of conversation is!
And to ILSM, I already argued that point in my response to Bad Player's post, so just read above.
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler: Scroll up a bit to see
Spoiler: 3-5
Spoiler: 3-5
Wrestlemania wrote:
Regy Rusty wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5
Alright, I'm amazed NO ONE caught me on this point yet, so I'm just going to blurt it out now:
Spoiler: 2-2, and nothing else!
Spoiler: 2-2, 3-5
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And I DO have an actual reply, but I'm not being serious right now, since it's been a WHILE since I've talked to you or Regy, so I'll post my reply when I'm calmed again.
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Name: Morgan's Letter
Type of cough-up: Story Inconsistency
Location: 3-5
Description: When Morgan is telling Pearl about the letter, she says hid it before being brought there. One would naturally assume this means before being placed in the detention center, since that would be the most convenient time to do so. Mailing it somewhere is possible, but I would think they screen mail in such places. However, Dahlia states that she was told of the plan by Morgan AFTER the woman was already in custody, when they were in the same center. While it's true Morgan had been planning to kill off Maya for quite some time, the letter she left is quite specific. She could have just assumed Dahlia would help her since it was because of Mia she had been arrested and placed on Death Row, but that strikes me as a bit sloppy, given how much she wanted her revenge. If Dahlia said no or somehow got off, the whole plan would be ruined. Plus, a lot of stuff would suggest it had all been planned out beforehand, like knowing about the "lights-out" bell and such.
Type of cough-up: Story Inconsistency
Location: 3-5
Description: When Morgan is telling Pearl about the letter, she says hid it before being brought there. One would naturally assume this means before being placed in the detention center, since that would be the most convenient time to do so. Mailing it somewhere is possible, but I would think they screen mail in such places. However, Dahlia states that she was told of the plan by Morgan AFTER the woman was already in custody, when they were in the same center. While it's true Morgan had been planning to kill off Maya for quite some time, the letter she left is quite specific. She could have just assumed Dahlia would help her since it was because of Mia she had been arrested and placed on Death Row, but that strikes me as a bit sloppy, given how much she wanted her revenge. If Dahlia said no or somehow got off, the whole plan would be ruined. Plus, a lot of stuff would suggest it had all been planned out beforehand, like knowing about the "lights-out" bell and such.
So... uh... how does this still relate to anything that we've been discussing in the past few posts again?
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Bad Player wrote:
TheSteelSamurai wrote:
Name: Morgan's Letter
Type of cough-up: Story Inconsistency
Location: 3-5
Description: When Morgan is telling Pearl about the letter, she says hid it before being brought there. One would naturally assume this means before being placed in the detention center, since that would be the most convenient time to do so. Mailing it somewhere is possible, but I would think they screen mail in such places. However, Dahlia states that she was told of the plan by Morgan AFTER the woman was already in custody, when they were in the same center. While it's true Morgan had been planning to kill off Maya for quite some time, the letter she left is quite specific. She could have just assumed Dahlia would help her since it was because of Mia she had been arrested and placed on Death Row, but that strikes me as a bit sloppy, given how much she wanted her revenge. If Dahlia said no or somehow got off, the whole plan would be ruined. Plus, a lot of stuff would suggest it had all been planned out beforehand, like knowing about the "lights-out" bell and such.
Type of cough-up: Story Inconsistency
Location: 3-5
Description: When Morgan is telling Pearl about the letter, she says hid it before being brought there. One would naturally assume this means before being placed in the detention center, since that would be the most convenient time to do so. Mailing it somewhere is possible, but I would think they screen mail in such places. However, Dahlia states that she was told of the plan by Morgan AFTER the woman was already in custody, when they were in the same center. While it's true Morgan had been planning to kill off Maya for quite some time, the letter she left is quite specific. She could have just assumed Dahlia would help her since it was because of Mia she had been arrested and placed on Death Row, but that strikes me as a bit sloppy, given how much she wanted her revenge. If Dahlia said no or somehow got off, the whole plan would be ruined. Plus, a lot of stuff would suggest it had all been planned out beforehand, like knowing about the "lights-out" bell and such.
So... uh... how does this still relate to anything that we've been discussing in the past few posts again?
(Watching arguments derail themselves is fun
)I thought Regy and I explained this well enough.
As far as the bell, Hazakurain is sort of a "branch" temple to Kurain. If they don't use the same system in Kurain, Morgan would probably at least know how "lights out" is handled in Hazakurain.
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And no, killing Misty wasn't part of the plan. That was just a happy little suprise for Morgan.
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Case: 3-5
When the judge threatens to confiscate Franziska's whip, Edgeworth says he doesn't care if the prosecutor "wields a whip or drinks seventeen cups of coffee." Yet during the investigation, he reveals that he knows nothing of Godot. So how does Edgeworth know about Godot's coffee habit?
Possible explanation: He's thinking of Diego (though Diego was a defense attorney), or perhaps Gumshoe told him.
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Name: Psychic Edgeworth?
Case: 3-5
When the judge threatens to confiscate Franziska's whip, Edgeworth says he doesn't care if the prosecutor "wields a whip or drinks seventeen cups of coffee." Yet during the investigation, he reveals that he knows nothing of Godot. So how does Edgeworth know about Godot's coffee habit?
Possible explanation: He's thinking of Diego (though Diego was a defense attorney), or perhaps Gumshoe told him.
Case: 3-5
When the judge threatens to confiscate Franziska's whip, Edgeworth says he doesn't care if the prosecutor "wields a whip or drinks seventeen cups of coffee." Yet during the investigation, he reveals that he knows nothing of Godot. So how does Edgeworth know about Godot's coffee habit?
Possible explanation: He's thinking of Diego (though Diego was a defense attorney), or perhaps Gumshoe told him.
That or he just made it up and it turned out to be true. Because Edgey is awesome like that.
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We know that Ron and Dessie are married, right? So why does everyone refer to Dessie as Ms. DeLite? Surely it should be Mrs DeLite?
Calling Dessie, 'Ms. DeLite' would seem to indicate that she and Ron aren't actually married at all.
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Sorry if this has been mentioned already...
We know that Ron and Dessie are married, right? So why does everyone refer to Dessie as Ms. DeLite? Surely it should be Mrs DeLite?
Calling Dessie, 'Ms. DeLite' would seem to indicate that she and Ron aren't actually married at all.
We know that Ron and Dessie are married, right? So why does everyone refer to Dessie as Ms. DeLite? Surely it should be Mrs DeLite?
Calling Dessie, 'Ms. DeLite' would seem to indicate that she and Ron aren't actually married at all.
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Using Ms. obviates the need for the guesswork involved in figuring out whether to address someone as Mrs. or Miss: you can’t go wrong with Ms. Whether the woman you are addressing is married or unmarried, has changed her name or not, Ms. is always correct. Ms. is widely used in the U.S and in business correspondence, it is standard.
also she is still being called DeLite, not her original surname so there is some indication she is married.
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Sorry if this has been mentioned already...
We know that Ron and Dessie are married, right? So why does everyone refer to Dessie as Ms. DeLite? Surely it should be Mrs DeLite?
Calling Dessie, 'Ms. DeLite' would seem to indicate that she and Ron aren't actually married at all.
We know that Ron and Dessie are married, right? So why does everyone refer to Dessie as Ms. DeLite? Surely it should be Mrs DeLite?
Calling Dessie, 'Ms. DeLite' would seem to indicate that she and Ron aren't actually married at all.
Then there's the fact that neither of their sprites have wedding rings on... *shrugs*
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
We know that Ron and Dessie are married, right? So why does everyone refer to Dessie as Ms. DeLite? Surely it should be Mrs DeLite?
No, Ms. is used for both married and unmarried women. It was consciously coined as a female title that didn't take marital status into account, replacing Miss and Mrs. It's a direct equivalent to the male Mr.
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Then there's the fact that neither of their sprites have wedding rings on... *shrugs*
Ron wears gloves and Desiree's sprites never show her left hand, so how would you know?
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Croik wrote:
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Then there's the fact that neither of their sprites have wedding rings on... *shrugs*
Ron wears gloves and Desiree's sprites never show her left hand, so how would you know?
I ALMOST get the feeling you're attempting to challenge me, Lady Croik...
............. Nah, I must be imagining it.
Anyways, I have a perfectly reasonable argument for both. First off, for Ron: When you CAN see his gloved hands, if he was wearing a ring under the gloves, you should be able to see the impression underneath. Kind've like if you put a pebble under a blank piece of paper, y'know?
And for Desiree...
I don't see a ring on either hand, and both ring fingers are pretty easily visible here...
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Or Ron stole wedding rings for Dessie, but she can't wear them because they're stolen...
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You go to the police in costume as a famous thief. Would you bring your wedding ring?
Why not? You are allowed to bring Chocolate Milk and Wine Glasses and no one asks questions!
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But making the ring visible through Ron's glove would be a difference of 2 or 3 pixels and look like a mistake, so it would be pointless to include.
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Then you can blame the DS spriters because in her original sprites you couldn't see her left hand. I looked! :<
But making the ring visible through Ron's glove would be a difference of 2 or 3 pixels and look like a mistake, so it would be pointless to include.
But making the ring visible through Ron's glove would be a difference of 2 or 3 pixels and look like a mistake, so it would be pointless to include.
Wait, you mean that extra sprites were added in for the DS version?
And also, back to the letter agrument for a minute:
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Then you can blame the DS spriters because in her original sprites you couldn't see her left hand. I looked! :<
I'd say "Suuuuuuure" but I don't want to get the BANhammer any closer to me without my cane at my side.
Now, I COULD try continuing this by playing a game of "Lets look at all the Official Art!" but that would be mean... I don't mean that actually doing that would be, but because I just checked them all to see the ring, and I can't see them on any there either...
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But making the ring visible through Ron's glove would be a difference of 2 or 3 pixels and look like a mistake, so it would be pointless to include.
Same with adding a wedding ring to an old woman who tries chasing after much, much, MUCH younger men, but meh! (Oldbag Reference, by the way)
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Same with adding a wedding ring to an old woman who tries chasing after much, much, MUCH younger men, but meh! (Oldbag Reference, by the way)
On oldbag the ring is very obvious because she swats her hand at you, and it's pretty clear that it's a wedding ring. But a bump on a gloved hand would just look like a bump. Plus a wedding band wouldn't necessarily show through a thick glove anyway.
In any case, even if his hands were bare and it showed he wasn't wearing a ring clearly, it still wouldn't be considered a contradiction anyway because not all couples wear rings.
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On Oldbag the ring is very obvious because she swats her hand at you, and it's pretty clear that it's a wedding ring. But a bump on a gloved hand would just look like a bump. Plus a wedding band wouldn't necessarily show through a thick glove anyway.
In any case, even if his hands were bare and it showed he wasn't wearing a ring clearly, it still wouldn't be considered a contradiction anyway because not all couples wear rings.
In any case, even if his hands were bare and it showed he wasn't wearing a ring clearly, it still wouldn't be considered a contradiction anyway because not all couples wear rings.
First argument: Yeah. I know. If I'm not mistaken, I was the first to make that public.
Second Argument: When he clenches his fist, if there was a ring there, it would be easy to see, since unlike with an open palm, the ring would show off the uneven surface on the glove. Kind've like if you put on a latex glove, and clench your fist: Your knuckle would be much easier to see this way, for instance. However, it looks like we'll need undisputable proof to see if it would be visible.
Final Argument: Not all married couples wear rings... Huh... See, I'm also using their devotion to each other as a reason behind my argument, in that they would be proud to show off their marrital status to others!
And how would one go about doing this? Simply put, by wearing their ring proudly around their finger.
... You know, I'm getting a BIT too into this conversation/argument/debate/whatever-you'd-call-it, so I'll just stop here before I go into "Rant Mode".
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Croik wrote:
Plus a wedding band wouldn't necessarily show through a thick glove anyway.
Or a thin one...unless we're talking something like latex surgical gloves, pretty much any glove would hide a normal wedding band, and at the size of a sprite, even a latex glove wouldn't actually show a bump - the difference would be too insignificant to show.
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Why is the crime scene in Tres Bien still roped off even when the crime had been "solved" and Maggey proved guilty? Doesn't Phoenix find out about the case like a month or so later?
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I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but in 3-3...
Why is the crime scene in Tres Bien still roped off even when the crime had been "solved" and Maggey proved guilty? Doesn't Phoenix find out about the case like a month or so later?
Why is the crime scene in Tres Bien still roped off even when the crime had been "solved" and Maggey proved guilty? Doesn't Phoenix find out about the case like a month or so later?
This is also when we see the crime scene for the very first time, right? It's not a stretch to imagine Gumshoe yelling at someone to re-tape the scene again, even before it was approved...
What IS an issue, however, is how a month later, the scene has yet to be cleaned. Pour Examplé, the coffee stain on the tablecloth is still there. Considering how tidy everything ELSE in the store is, you'd naturally assume Armstrong would have washed the tablecloth by now...
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