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:phoenix: / :maya: Overblown, overrated, and overhashed (new word).[..]
:pearl: / :shoe:

Overhashed?
And as for the Pearl one... why did you put that image in my head?????



In other words beat to death with debates and crap.


But almost all Phoenix pairings are over-hashed. P/I and P/E are discussed and debated a lot too. It's pretty much the whole point of the pairing debate thread.

Rydus, where in the world do you COME UP with those pairings? If you see some fanart for them... where the hell do you look? I have to admit I do not fancy uh... Wocky/Meraktis either...
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I think :redd: / :grossburg: is a rather disgusting pairing....

The same goes for :flowsers: / :sal: And :edgeworth: / :oldbag: .........
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Rydus, where in the world do you COME UP with those pairings? If you see some fanart for them... where the hell do you look? I have to admit I do not fancy uh... Wocky/Meraktis either...


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Didn't Thalassa admit she abandoned the Gramarye Troupe after being shot and blind. There was no reason for her to do that when she could have had surgery in California plus she abandoned her children. Phoenix can be nice to her but not start a relationship because of Thalassa's blunt ignorance for her children.

Uhhhhhh she was shot, blinded, and lost her memory. It wasn't until the end of AJ, when she remembers having children at all, that she abandons them. :keiko:

I thought she 'abandoned' Trucy because she lost her memory after she was shot ('died'), but she just abandoned Apollo some years previously for no known reason, and it was not 'memory loss'.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. So she's ditched Apollo twice! Heartless lady.

I'll add to my list Wocky/Alita, because I've seen fluffy fanart of them together and it makes my brain hurt a little. Though I will admit, I'd like to write a fic eventually where Wocky tries to get her to sleep with him (since they're ~engaged~) but she's too afraid the stress on his heart will kill him in the middle of it, lol!
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:hobohodo: / :gipsy: *VOMITS* oh we are Trucy's Parents and No other Reason!


He reunited her with her kids?
He looked after and cared for her daughter after her father effectively dumped her in his lap.
He provided for and schooled her daughter despite being almost penniless since his father also lost Phoenix his job?

She's got a lot to be grateful to Phoenix for.

And you should've spoiler tagged that I think.


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Spoiler: GS4
Oh yeah. Poor Phoenix, living in poverty, freezing in dodgy poker clubs, playing fake piano jobs he HATES, ostracised by society, manages to carry out Thalassa's responsibilities FOR her after the rest of her family put him in that very position, while she is some kind of super-rich international celebrity, and upon 'remembering' her identity, tells Phoenix that Apollo and Trucy can't even know they are siblings, let alone about her? Oh and I think she may have abandoned new 'adopted son' Machi too, I can't really remember since I don't like Machi.

It's clear she still doesn't care much about them even now she remembered them, (since she doesn't want them to know) and why would that make her suddenly 'fall in love' with poor Phoenix? Previous love history: Zak. Very similar, right?

OR Phoenix fall for someone so dysfunctional when he's just had to spend years suffering from the rest of Trucy's awful family's repeated actions and trying to care for Trucy despite the other Gramaryes actively thwarting his best efforts? If you are adopted, and your real parent turns up one day, there is NO reason to suppose your adoptive parent would suddenly fall in 'love' with your real parent, or vice versa.

In fact, there'd probably be big ISSUES and conflict over the parent thing, (making 'romance' even less likely, not more) and them not agreeing on what to do with Trucy, if Thalassa bothered to show an interest again. Phoenix would feel Trucy is his now. He'd want to protect her from her dysfunctional family before anything else. He'd love Trucy more than he loves Thalassa, even if he did develop feelings for her. Trucy could potentially become a pawn in their relationship, which they could use against each other (real or imagined threats of Trucy being taken away from Phoenix). We (and Phoenix) know little of Thalassa's background, and if she's anything like all the rest of the Gramaryes...

Wrong thread, but I don't consider this a 'debate' and you basically begged for it.

Oh, and it's really boring and clichéd and unbelievable, I'd expect better from this series.

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Rydus, where in the world do you COME UP with those pairings? If you see some fanart for them... where the hell do you look? I have to admit I do not fancy uh... Wocky/Meraktis either...


I just came up with those on my own. Tried mainly to think of pairings that involve victims. They just don't get enough pairings. Pairings I don't want to see. Just like Pearl/Sal and Grossberg/Drew Misham.

Though there are pairings of victims I approved of, like Grey/Mekritis, Lisa/Glen, Redd/Bullard, and Matt/Juan,.
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I also don't like Nick/Thalassa. It's boring.


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Though I will admit, I'd like to write a fic eventually where Wocky tries to get her to sleep with him (since they're ~engaged~) but she's too afraid the stress on his heart will kill him in the middle of it, lol!


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:hobohodo: / :gipsy: - When I first finished AJ one of the things I though was "Oh god, I hope this doesn't happen in the next game". I don't know why I thought it might, but I still hope it doesn't.
:karate: / :mina: - Another one of those "see what happened in the game" reasons.
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:jake: or :neil: / :lana: - Don't care about it.
:kyouya: / :edgy: - They don't seem right together to me.
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Croik wrote:
I'll add to my list Wocky/Alita, because I've seen fluffy fanart of them together and it makes my brain hurt a little. Though I will admit, I'd like to write a fic eventually where Wocky tries to get her to sleep with him (since they're ~engaged~) but she's too afraid the stress on his heart will kill him in the middle of it, lol!


LOL, Croik. I don't normally like het fics, but this premise sounds entertaining. XD
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:phoenix: / :maya: - With all due respect, I can only see this as a close-knit siblingry or father-daughter at most. Sure, Phoenix has to bail Maya out a lot, but you would do that for friends, right? I don't see it developing into much.

Then the obvious /any pairing with Hotti/Grossberg/Manella/Oldbag (unless for lulz)

Also to the haters of P/I... you've never had a sister that you loved unconditionally, have you? To be honest, for my sister I may do crimes myself to her bidding, and get that guilty conscience forevermore, but not argue. It must be heartbreaking to do that, since you fall in love with the guy/girl you're deceiving. Wouldn't you be afraid of telling him the truth and betraying your sister? Wouldn't you also be torn because if you kept quiet, your love would get hurt, and your sister a criminal who never had to pay for her sins? That's a lot of conflict to go through, and I don't blame Iris for wanting to run away from it all. I'd sympathize with her, myself. :s

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Also to the haters of P/I... you've never had a sister that you loved unconditionally, have you? To be honest, for my sister I may do crimes myself to her bidding, and get that guilty conscience forevermore, but not argue. It must be heartbreaking to do that, since you fall in love with the guy/girl you're deceiving. Wouldn't you be afraid of telling him the truth and betraying your sister? Wouldn't you also be torn because if you kept quiet, your love would get hurt, and your sister a criminal who never had to pay for her sins? That's a lot of conflict to go through, and I don't blame Iris for wanting to run away from it all. I'd sympathize with her, myself. :s[/size]


I'd suggest you bring that to a debate topic. Especially since that has nothing to do with pairings. But as a reply...

Spoiler: Off-Topic Rant about Iris
No one's asking for her to "give up" on Dahlia. Everyone's just saying how even though she's been saying all these things about saving Dahlia, Iris has done absolute shit.. She did whatever Dahlia said. She became a pawn... a servant to Dahlia. She even failed at that. Is that love? To me, doing nothing except obeying--without thinking and without trying to help... it seems more like apathy.

Dahlia was her goddamn sister. You see, I have an older brother, and I cannot sympathise with that girl at all. If she truly loved and cared for her sister... wouldn't you think she'd try to help? That's why I'd do for my brother if he went down that road. She obviously never did anything to Iris when she confronted her about taking over her role to save Phoenix. She could have tried to do something more than that. That's what I'd do. Dahlia was her same size, my brother's a fucking foot taller than me and I'd do anything to try to save him if something like that happenned. Trying to get people with siblings to appeal to her is fruitless because I feel more like Iris didn't give a shit about her sister. You said it yourself, she wanted to run away from her. How in the world is Iris a good and caring sister?


Since this is off-topic, we shouldn't debate about this more--though I would if you brought it to a place where it would be more on-topic though. :)
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@Femme Fatale:
Hnn, I'm not quite fond of debates, though--I get saddened at onesided mindsets (not that you're one). And now that I read my post twice, I suppose you're right that's it's off-topic, haha. :payne:

I see where you're coming from. But hey, different peoples' POV, different sibling relationships. Fitting into eachothers' shoes would be hard. I'll go ponder about the 3-5 matters some more before I reply again, thanks. :jake:
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Xashlei wrote:
:phoenix: / :maya: - With all due respect, I can only see this as a close-knit siblingry or father-daughter at most. Sure, Phoenix has to bail Maya out a lot, but you would do that for friends, right? I don't see it developing into much.

Then the obvious /any pairing with Hotti/Grossberg/Manella/Oldbag (unless for lulz)

Also to the haters of P/I... you've never had a sister that you loved unconditionally, have you? To be honest, for my sister I may do crimes myself to her bidding, and get that guilty conscience forevermore, but not argue. It must be heartbreaking to do that, since you fall in love with the guy/girl you're deceiving. Wouldn't you be afraid of telling him the truth and betraying your sister? Wouldn't you also be torn because if you kept quiet, your love would get hurt, and your sister a criminal who never had to pay for her sins? That's a lot of conflict to go through, and I don't blame Iris for wanting to run away from it all. I'd sympathize with her, myself. :s


I agree with you, but this is the place that this post belongs in...
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:phoenix: x :edgeworth: - It's everywhere and I'm sick of it. Simple as that.
:phoenix: x :ayame: - I don't know why, but I've grown tired of this one.
:phoenix: x :maya: - They are too sibling-like. I can't see them going beyond friends.
:phoenix: x :larry: - Don't like Larry's character, can't see it happening.
:edgeworth: x :larry: - Ditto.
:edgeworth: x :eh?: - Gumshoe belongs to Maggey. >w<
:edgeworth: x :franny: - I just don't get what's so good about it.
:edgeworth: x :karma: - 'Nuff said.
:yuusaku: x :aiga: - Squicks me out.
:kyouya: x :sassy: - I hate how everyone seems to think they're canon. I also don't like Klavier.
:garyuu: x :that-b-word: - Another self-explantory one.
:zenitora: x :uramidn: - She deserves better.
:mia: x :javado: - I would have liked this if I liked Diego.
:franny: x :adrian: - Same as PxE.
:matt: x :juan: - Just don't like it.
:redd: x :grossburg: - Do I need to say why?

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Xashlei wrote:
Also to the haters of P/I... you've never had a sister that you loved unconditionally, have you? [...]I'd sympathize with her, myself.

Um, the issue is not 'Should we forgive Iris?' it's 'Is future Phoenix/Iris at all likely or even a good idea for either?'
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Also to the haters of P/I... you've never had a sister that you loved unconditionally, have you? [...]I'd sympathize with her, myself.

Um, the issue is not 'Should we forgive Iris?' it's 'Is future Phoenix/Iris at all likely or even a good idea for either?'


No, the issue is least favorite pairings. Your issue goes on the pairing debate thread.

And I came up with a new one: :hobohodo: / :minuki: . It's pedophilic and reminds me of the Texas polygamist sect incident.
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I know nobody cares, I've gone from not being interested/caring to completely hating these:
:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
:phoenix: / :ayame:
:phoenix: / :maya:

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/
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Durp wrote:
I know nobody cares, I've gone from not being interested/caring to completely hating these:
:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
:phoenix: / :ayame:
:phoenix: / :maya:

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/


What pushed you into the hating category?
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Durp wrote:
I know nobody cares, I've gone from not being interested/caring to completely hating these:
:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
:phoenix: / :ayame:
:phoenix: / :maya:

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/


What pushed you into the hating category?


It's the crazy/overly-obsessive fans for all three that made me start hating them. Especially the kind that bash [insert character here] for "getting in the way" of some of them. Fail.

I know it's stupid to let other people ruin things for you, but that's my reason.
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Durp wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Durp wrote:
I know nobody cares, I've gone from not being interested/caring to completely hating these:
:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
:phoenix: / :ayame:
:phoenix: / :maya:

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/


What pushed you into the hating category?


It's the crazy/overly-obsessive fans for all three that made me start hating them. Especially the kind that bash [insert character here] for "getting in the way" of some of them. Fail.

I know it's stupid to let other people ruin things for you, but that's my reason.


It's not that stupid, it's stupid to ruin things for yourself.

If anything I'd say its perfectly understandable for other people to ruin things for you :yuusaku:
But hey this is an AA fandom we gotta deal with those fans cause they be our friends too.

You should see how much SoraxRiku stuff I gotta fight off when I hang out with my pals
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Durp wrote:
I know nobody cares, I've gone from not being interested/caring to completely hating these:
:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
:phoenix: / :ayame:
:phoenix: / :maya:

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/


If not those, then who DO you pair Phoenix with? :udgy:
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Yaragorm wrote:
Durp wrote:
I know nobody cares, I've gone from not being interested/caring to completely hating these:
:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
:phoenix: / :ayame:
:phoenix: / :maya:

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/


If not those, then who DO you pair Phoenix with? :udgy:


No one?
AA isn't really a romantic series pairings aren't even necessary there's nothing really canon with Phoenix at present.
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I dislike all the incest stuff basically. :kyouya: / :garyuu: , :mia: / :maya: , :lana: / :scientific: ...

Spoiler: "4-4"
... :minuki: / :odoroki: ...

And I prefer :franny: / :edgeworth: in a platonic relationship.

Some crack pairings are really disturbing as well... Like :gant: /Anyone. :P
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
Durp wrote:
I know nobody cares, I've gone from not being interested/caring to completely hating these:
:phoenix: / :edgeworth:
:phoenix: / :ayame:
:phoenix: / :maya:

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/


If not those, then who DO you pair Phoenix with? :udgy:


No one?
AA isn't really a romantic series pairings aren't even necessary there's nothing really canon with Phoenix at present.


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:takita: / :pearl: No. Just NO.
Pearl is the cutest and sweetest character in the entire series. Of course she's not going to remain unchanged over the seven years between T&T and AJ, but she is a powerful and dedicated spirit medium. She sits on blocks of ice under freezing waterfalls for fun. She is not going to go running off with a wannabe gangsta runt who idolises a life of crime and disrespect for no reason.

:pearl-blush: / Anybody, really. She's just too damn cute.
:phoenix: / :ayame: Total asspull.
:edgeworth: / :maya: Not compatible.
:franny: / :maya: No way in hell.
:hobohodo: / :gipsy: No basis whatsoever.
:sassy: / :kyouya: Hating somebody does not mean you're secretly in love with them.
:odoroki: / :hobohodo: ...uh, what?
:odoroki: / :garyuu: I don't think so.
:garyuu: / :kyouya: So not happening.
:karma: :damon: :matt: :chinami: :garyuu: / Anybody. These suckers don't care about anybody but themselves.
:takita: / :pearl: STILL NO.

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Spoiler: There's only one pairing in the world that I truly hate
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That's it.
The only pairing I hate I don't hate any. Can't think think of anything that's made me squint. I mentioned Gumshoe/Manfred, Viola/Tigre and Spark/Miles before, but I but I'm neutral over them now.

Am I the only one who doesn't hate /not like any pairings?
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Spoiler: There's only one pairing in the world that I truly hate
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That's it.
The only pairing I hate I don't hate any. Can't think think of anything that's made me squint. I mentioned Gumshoe/Manfred, Viola/Tigre and Spark/Miles before, but I but I'm neutral over them now.

Am I the only one who doesn't hate /not like any pairings?

Spoiler:
I kinda feel the same way, because you know what?

NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE REAL. THEY ARE PURELY FICTIONAL.

So yeah, I'm neutral to pairings as well. Like what you want, hate what you want, it's no skin off my nose.
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NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE REAL. THEY ARE PURELY FICTIONAL.

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If not those, then who DO you pair Phoenix with? :udgy:


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I don't like Phoenix with anyone anymore. :/


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Also to the haters of P/I... you've never had a sister that you loved unconditionally, have you? To be honest, for my sister I may do crimes myself to her bidding, and get that guilty conscience forevermore, but not argue. It must be heartbreaking to do that, since you fall in love with the guy/girl you're deceiving. Wouldn't you be afraid of telling him the truth and betraying your sister? Wouldn't you also be torn because if you kept quiet, your love would get hurt, and your sister a criminal who never had to pay for her sins? That's a lot of conflict to go through, and I don't blame Iris for wanting to run away from it all. I'd sympathize with her, myself. :s[/size]


I'd suggest you bring that to a debate topic. Especially since that has nothing to do with pairings. But as a reply...

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No one's asking for her to "give up" on Dahlia. Everyone's just saying how even though she's been saying all these things about saving Dahlia, Iris has done absolute shit.. She did whatever Dahlia said. She became a pawn... a servant to Dahlia. She even failed at that. Is that love? To me, doing nothing except obeying--without thinking and without trying to help... it seems more like apathy.

Dahlia was her goddamn sister. You see, I have an older brother, and I cannot sympathise with that girl at all. If she truly loved and cared for her sister... wouldn't you think she'd try to help? That's why I'd do for my brother if he went down that road. She obviously never did anything to Iris when she confronted her about taking over her role to save Phoenix. She could have tried to do something more than that. That's what I'd do. Dahlia was her same size, my brother's a fucking foot taller than me and I'd do anything to try to save him if something like that happenned. Trying to get people with siblings to appeal to her is fruitless because I feel more like Iris didn't give a shit about her sister. You said it yourself, she wanted to run away from her. How in the world is Iris a good and caring sister?


Since this is off-topic, we shouldn't debate about this more--though I would if you brought it to a place where it would be more on-topic though. :)

Since it's off-topic, I'll keep this brief.
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Dahlia didn't order Iris to take over for her. If it were left to Dahlia, she would have just killed Phoenix, taken the necklace from his corpse, and been done with it. Iris begged Dahlia not to do that and to let her get the necklace back so Dahlia wouldn't have to kill someone else.

So the "Iris never even tried to help her sister" argument is kind of nullified. She might have gone about it the wrong way, but the effort was there.

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Phoenix/Maya: I can't see them as more than friends. Eheheh. Sorry, but I just...can't.
Phoenix/Iris: I never really cared much for this pairing.
Apollo/Vera: Yeah...I just...don't see it.
Klavier/Ema: It gets a little annoying.
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Chloe (I keep forgetting your user OTL) I kind of agree. I mean, I'm pretty neutral on most pairings. I don't dislike pairings, I dislike characters (As the case for P/I which I actually DON'T absurdly hate). The only exception is a certain pairing where I'm still not sure why. I think it's because in no way can I see it as "love." I can like a pairing as long as there can be love/whateverwordyouwanttouse on at least ONE SIDE of the relationship-- whether it's concealed or open.

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Say no to Yaoi


That's really really general. If the thought of ANY boys liking other boys make you squick then something's strange. I can understand not supporting them, being neutral, disliking some pairings, but absolutely hating all yaoi? I just don't understand this mass hatred for any evidence of boy love. I know many (straight) girls who enjoy really soft-core girls love. I can't really help wonder why so many people just can't stand it. I'll repeat this to make it clear: I can understand not supporting the pairings, but I can't understand hating EVERYTHING to do with it. I can understand viewing some people as straight, but I can't understand HATING it when someone has a different interpretation? I mean, there are few select pairings that I dislike, but it's not like I'm going out and saying something like "I HATE ALL COUPLES THAT SHARE HAIRCOLOURS RARRR" It's way too general. I mean, as long as it's love, right? : /

( I don't think this should be in the Pairing debates since this isn't a certain pairing. It's a broad spectrum. Right? And it's in response to many comments about hating all yaoi pairings. But correct me if I'm wrong. c: )

Spoiler: off topic (3-5 spoilers)
Though I said I wouldn't talk about this more, I'll just clarify one last thing because it seemed I wasn't clear with what I was saying...

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Dahlia didn't order Iris to take over for her. If it were left to Dahlia, she would have just killed Phoenix, taken the necklace from his corpse, and been done with it. Iris begged Dahlia not to do that and to let her get the necklace back so Dahlia wouldn't have to kill someone else.

So the "Iris never even tried to help her sister" argument is kind of nullified. She might have gone about it the wrong way, but the effort was there.


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She obviously never did anything to Iris when she confronted her about taking over her role to save Phoenix. She could have tried to do something more than that.


Rephrased, I meant: "Iris confronted Dahlia before and she came out unscathed. Therefore, Dahlia wasn't going to attack her mindlessly and Iris had no reason to fear her. Why didn't Iris try to help her before? Why didn't Iris try to do anything more? Trying to save Phoenix was the only thing she'd ever done that's stated. Everything else she ran away from."

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Hahex wrote:
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:will: That statement made me happy (although I am partial to light Gavincest...)
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Yuri annoys me as much as Yaoi. Haha!
And any pairing based on an obvious commonality
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