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Phantom Phoenix wrote:
/ 
: Franziska feels alone but she's always had Edgeworth by her side. They're each others only family and I think that they have a very strong and trusting relationship. You can tell that they both deeply care for each other. They've known each other for a while and I could see them becoming romantically involved.Out of curiosity, what exactly makes you make the leap from "each others' only family" to "could become romantically involved"? While both of those relationships involve close feelings for each other, they are very different and suggest very different things.
I'm also a little curious as to what distinguishes Phoenix/Maya as a potential romance for you because they are "close and trusting", whereas Phoenix/Edgeworth are "roommates/like brothers". Both relationships involve being close and trusting each other, I think.
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Phantom Phoenix wrote:
/ : Franziska feels alone but she's always had Edgeworth by her side. They're each others only family and I think that they have a very strong and trusting relationship. You can tell that they both deeply care for each other. They've known each other for a while and I could see them becoming romantically involved.
/ : Honestly, I don't think I can see these two becoming romantically involved. I could see them living as roommates, just roommates. There'd always been some type of witty dialogue going on between those two. I can see them becoming closer friends - almost like brothers.I have to admit this sort of confuses me. So, you see the actual sibling relationship as potentially romantic, but the one with undefined "words aren't enough" feelings as platonic? To me, when a character defines their relationship to another in explicitly familial terms, that pretty much kills the idea of romance (unless you think Fran is lying) regardless of the gender or closeness involving the two of them.
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Phantom Phoenix wrote:
/ : They're each others family and I could see them becoming romantically involved. / : Honestly, I don't think I can see these two becoming romantically involved, almost like brothers....
So basically...people who are siblings aren't siblings and people who aren't siblings are siblings.
...Alrighty then.
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They're still siblings as much as any other adopted kid's siblings are their siblings.
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Besides, she CALLED him her "little" brother :/
I personally like EdgeyxFran (though only under certain circumstances), and incest is okay by me, but denying that they are siblings is silly :/
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Spoiler: "Very general GS3 spoilers"
Add to that Maya never has a jealous response to Phoenix interacting with women, which would have been a classic sign. Pearl reacts more forcibly against the idea of Phoenix being with someone else than Maya.
And add to that their relationship doesn't seem to really change much across the games. They don't really develop closer as time goes by, they just express more concern when one or the other is in trouble. Which isn't a bad thing, it just doesn't seem to me that they're on their way to romance.
As for Pearl...
Spoiler: "Slightly less general GS3 spoilers"
Which isn't to say it couldn't happen. I just don't think it'll ever be canon (like most fan pairings~)
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Aki wrote:
I think that Edgeworth x Maya is all about how you interpret the actions.
If you think it's just that she's very loud and inimidating to Edgeworth then you'll not see the potential relationship :p If you see if the otehr way, that he's actually unsure of what to say around her because he cares for her, then you'll have a different opinion.
As a wise person once said:
"It's all perspective!"
If you think it's just that she's very loud and inimidating to Edgeworth then you'll not see the potential relationship :p If you see if the otehr way, that he's actually unsure of what to say around her because he cares for her, then you'll have a different opinion.
As a wise person once said:
"It's all perspective!"
-gives gold star- Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Edgeworth never tries to escape Maya, he just makes no effort to engage her unless she's already there. When he's talking to Phoenix he's never "hey, where's Maya?" Hell, he didn't even seem to notice she wasn't with Phoenix until Phoenix told him she had been kidnapped. That doesn't speak much to me of a crush on his part.
I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong because you don't like that pairing, but I think you're wrong on this point. I have a crush on a guy, but i'm also pretty good friends with his best friend, too. And when i'm talking to him and the guy I like isn't around, I never ask "Hey, where's Matt?" because I don't want to sound like a stalker/i'm embarassed/I don't want to sound desperate. Especially Edgey, who probably doesn't even want Phoenix or anyone to know that he likes Maya (if he does, just saying for arguements sake), and he's not very good with "small talk" and such. Maybe you're different than I am, but if you liked someone I really don't think you'd ask their friends where they were. Because it makes you liking them painfully obvious and is embarassing.
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I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong because you don't like that pairing, but I think you're wrong on this point. I have a crush on a guy, but i'm also pretty good friends with his best friend, too. And when i'm talking to him and the guy I like isn't around, I never ask "Hey, where's Matt?" because I don't want to sound like a stalker/i'm embarassed/I don't want to sound desperate. Especially Edgey, who probably doesn't even want Phoenix or anyone to know that he likes Maya (if he does, just saying for arguements sake), and he's not very good with "small talk" and such. Maybe you're different than I am, but if you liked someone I really don't think you'd ask their friends where they were. Because it makes you liking them painfully obvious and is embarassing.
But the point is, that's kind of an unfair point to raise in a debate. If "he doesn't express any interest in her" was a reasonable point to make in favor of there BEING interest, you could say that about any two people in the series who aren't already in a canon relationship. There are plenty of people Edgeworth *doesn't* go out of his way to see (like...everyone XD).
Edgeworth's emotional state is a big issue in all 3 games, but Maya is never really the focus. Which isn't to say I don't think it could ever happen, I just don't think you can use much from the games as evidence of an in-game attraction.
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Croik wrote:
1010 wrote:
I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong because you don't like that pairing, but I think you're wrong on this point. I have a crush on a guy, but i'm also pretty good friends with his best friend, too. And when i'm talking to him and the guy I like isn't around, I never ask "Hey, where's Matt?" because I don't want to sound like a stalker/i'm embarassed/I don't want to sound desperate. Especially Edgey, who probably doesn't even want Phoenix or anyone to know that he likes Maya (if he does, just saying for arguements sake), and he's not very good with "small talk" and such. Maybe you're different than I am, but if you liked someone I really don't think you'd ask their friends where they were. Because it makes you liking them painfully obvious and is embarassing.
But the point is, that's kind of an unfair point to raise in a debate. If "he doesn't express any interest in her" was a reasonable point to make in favor of there BEING interest, you could say that about any two people in the series who aren't already in a canon relationship. There are plenty of people Edgeworth *doesn't* go out of his way to see (like...everyone XD).
I'm not saying that him not going out of his way to see her means that he likes her. Musouka's point was that he doesn't ask about her, and i'm just debating that point because I don't think that not asking your crush's best friend (because Nick is like Maya's best friend) about your crush means anything at all. He might just not want Nick to know that he's thinking about her, he might be too shy, and many other things. True, he doesn't ask about many other people, and once again i'm not saying that every person he "ignores" he has a crush on, but it just shouldn't matter when it comes to Edgey, especially with his social awkwardness.
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1010 wrote:
I'm not saying that him not going out of his way to see her means that he likes her. Musouka's point was that he doesn't ask about her, and i'm just debating that point because I don't think that not asking your crush's best friend (because Nick is like Maya's best friend) about your crush means anything at all. He might just not want Nick to know that he's thinking about her, he might be too shy, and many other things. True, he doesn't ask about many other people, and once again i'm not saying that every person he "ignores" he has a crush on, but it just shouldn't matter when it comes to Edgey, especially with his social awkwardness.
You also have to keep in mind Edgeworth's character. No offense, but...how old are you 1010? If you're a teenager, then, yes, I can understand why you wouldn't want to draw attention to your crush by asking where they are. However, Edgeworth is a grown man. A socially awkward man, but one nonetheless. There are no indicators showing us that he doesn't ask about her because he's too shy. Especially in a narrative--where there MUST be signs of something to have textual support--it seems ridiculous to me to argue that it's "possible" Edgeworth is crushing on Maya because of a lack of reaction to her not being there.
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Phantom Phoenix wrote:
/ : They're each others family and I could see them becoming romantically involved. / : Honestly, I don't think I can see these two becoming romantically involved, almost like brothers.........
*goes off to a corner and starts laughing ass off over there* My god.. That was the funniest thing I ever heard. =P
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....Again, I must say it.. Musouka is the queen of debates~. XD
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musouka wrote:
1010 wrote:
I'm not saying that him not going out of his way to see her means that he likes her. Musouka's point was that he doesn't ask about her, and i'm just debating that point because I don't think that not asking your crush's best friend (because Nick is like Maya's best friend) about your crush means anything at all. He might just not want Nick to know that he's thinking about her, he might be too shy, and many other things. True, he doesn't ask about many other people, and once again i'm not saying that every person he "ignores" he has a crush on, but it just shouldn't matter when it comes to Edgey, especially with his social awkwardness.
You also have to keep in mind Edgeworth's character. No offense, but...how old are you 1010? If you're a teenager, then, yes, I can understand why you wouldn't want to draw attention to your crush by asking where they are. However, Edgeworth is a grown man. A socially awkward man, but one nonetheless. There are no indicators showing us that he doesn't ask about her because he's too shy. Especially in a narrative--where there MUST be signs of something to have textual support--it seems ridiculous to me to argue that it's "possible" Edgeworth is crushing on Maya because of a lack of reaction to her not being there.
Atually from my experiance there are loads of 'grown men' who find it hard to say they love/have a crush on someone. I mean, if it was that easy everyone would do it! Loads of people worry about how the crush feels about them and also what their friends think about the crush. I'm sure Edgeworth would be worried about Phoenix telling Maya before he got the chance to confess for hismelf.
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I think that Edgeworth x Maya is all about how you interpret the actions.
If you think it's just that she's very loud and inimidating to Edgeworth then you'll not see the potential relationship :p If you see if the otehr way, that he's actually unsure of what to say around her because he cares for her, then you'll have a different opinion.
As a wise person once said:
"It's all perspective!"
If you think it's just that she's very loud and inimidating to Edgeworth then you'll not see the potential relationship :p If you see if the otehr way, that he's actually unsure of what to say around her because he cares for her, then you'll have a different opinion.
As a wise person once said:
"It's all perspective!"
That's what I kept saying! Gahhhh! I was just saying from ym perspective Edgey and Maya seemed to have something between them, I never said there atually was, only there was from my point of view.
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That's what I kept saying! Gahhhh! I was just saying from ym perspective Edgey and Maya seemed to have something between them, I never said there atually was, only there was from my point of view.
Of course, if you want to pair someone, you're allowed to use every instance to your advantage. That's kind of what shipping is all about.
But I don't think you could ever argue that Edgeworth/Maya has any canon evidence, in so much as "the writers were hinting." People like to say that about a lot of pairings, actually. But in this case I don't think it applies, because GS3 kind of proves Edgeworth has no romantic feelings for Maya, at least, not up until that point.
Spoiler: "GS3-5"
GS3 was written to be the end of Phoenix's series. If Takumi wanted to hint at anything between anyone he would have done it by then (or just said it out right).
But having said that, if you wanted to pair Edgeworth and Maya, the gap between GS3 and GS4 would be an excellent place to do it. Without naming any spoilers, Maya would be maturing, and the two of them would have some common concerns giving them more reason to interact (i.e. Phoenix). It's not necessarily a pairing I'm interested in, but if you want a golden oppertunity, that's as good as it gets for them.
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Of course, if you want to pair someone, you're allowed to use every instance to your advantage. That's kind of what shipping is all about.
That's pretty much the answer to this thread then isn't it? We basically argue why it could happen, even if it has nothing to do with the main story.
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Aki wrote:
anyway, I guess for pairings, it's not the most plausable, but the ones you see as the most attractive together, right?
I hope you didn't mean that by what I think you meant. (So I apoligize in advance if I read that wrong.)
If going by who's most attractive being with who were the case, then that would mean I, along with any other fan, supposively like Phoenix/Edgeworth just because they're "hot together and much have crazy gay BUTTSECKS."
Which I obviously don't. D=
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Of course, if you want to pair someone, you're allowed to use every instance to your advantage. That's kind of what shipping is all about.
Indeed!
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Indeed!
/ will always be my favorite pairing and no one can convince me otherwise! I don't know what I like more... I am so torn. XD
/ 
/ or
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Morinozuka Takashi wrote:
Android 21 3/7 wrote:
Indeed!
/ will always be my favorite pairing and no one can convince me otherwise! I don't know what I like more... I am so torn. XD
/ / or
/ LarryxMaya.
For serious.
Both of them are the only ones who could be in a relationship with the other without going insane from the lack of seriousness. I can't see Franny being anything but fed up with either of them, although Mu and Funk seem to have gotten me to slightly like Franny+Maya xP Not romantically though, I just think they'd make cute friends x3
Larry and Maya are also concentrated adorable no matter how you look at it. They're silly, fun, crazy love. And come one, how is this not adorable?!
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And I'm not sure which pairing I like anymore :/
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Arutica wrote:
NOT CUTE!
IT LOOKS LIKE A CHIMPANZEE ON DRUGS.
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SilverZephyr wrote:
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NOT CUTE!
IT LOOKS LIKE A CHIMPANZEE ON DRUGS.
D:
THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.
Well, CI, unless you're The Butz and your wife is Maya, they won't.
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Arutica wrote:
NOT CUTE!
IT BURRRNS!
I don't mind Maya with Larry at all--it is kinda cute. Plus Larry did seem interested when they first met, but then again, as long as his partner has two X chromosomes...
...nevermind.
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I can't see Franny being anything but fed up with either of them
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FTW!I honestly can't see Edgeworth with anyone, no matter how hard I try. He just seems incapable of a happy emotion. Look at the ending of 1-4. Poor Edgeworth can't even express happiness and relief, much less joy and love. So, any
/ would be onesided, on Phoenix's part.-- Lockblade
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Android 21 3/7 wrote:
If you look at his sprite sheet, he has three smiles. One "I'm smug because I'm so going to beat you", one "I'm smiling due to the cruel irony of the situation" and one "I know something you don't know!"
Pity there isn't a "I'm genuinely happy for once in my life" one, but then it wouldn't be Edgeworth now, hm? Personally I think the only one that has him beat for the lack of happy sprites is
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