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IN AJ, Klavier says something along the lines of "...Too think I _____"
Instead of 'to think I.'
I thought it was mildly humorous.


Was that in the case "7 Years Ago aka The Last Turnabout"? Something along these lines were said:

:kyouya: (deskslam) And to think... you almost had me.
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Brawldud wrote:
Name: Morgan's underknowledge of Spirit Mediums
Type of Cough-Up: General evidence inconsistency
Location: 2-2 After Day 1, presenting to Magatama to Morgan
Description: When you present the Magatama to her, you get a dialogue of:
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:phoenix: Here, see this?
:morgan: I'm sorry, but my spiritual powers are not as strong as you think.
:phoenix: (Umm, but this has nothing to do with your spiritual power...)
The Magatama has everything to do with spiritual power for reasons I feel I do not have to explain.


:morgan: I cannot charge this. I know this is used for detecting secrets, but meh power is not strong enough to even know if this is charged already, and for charging it.

I think that's it. Of course, not that she had any motive to help Phoenix there.
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GigaHand wrote:
Starbuck wrote:
This might have been posted, but I'm too lazy to read 43 pages of backlog.

Spoiler: 2-4
Name: Faulty Photo
Type: Alternative Puzzle Solution
Location: 2-4
Description: With the trial on the line, you need to find fault with Lotta's photo of the Nickel Samurai leaving Juan's room. The correct solution is to point out that the pants are bunched-up at the Samurai's feet, indicating that Engarde is not inside. However, you will also notice that there are no teddy bears with the flower arrangements in the background. I objected to the flowers, thinking that this meant that the photo was not taken around the time of the murder--and got the instant guilty verdict.

You remind me of :wellington: . Why?

YOU NEED GLASSES.

Look in the bottom right of the photo. You'll find something that contradicts your theory.



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Spoiler: 2-4
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Is this the area you were talking about, Gigahand?

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Spoiler: possible spoiler for 3-5
Name: Nick's lazy when filling in profiles
Type of cough-up: profile inconsistency
Location: case 3-5, during final investigation
Description: After Sister Bikini reveals Iris has a sister, you write down the details on "????" in Profiles. The description goes something like: "Iris's sister. Father was a jeweler. etc." However, in the top section of the profile, it says "Age: ?? Gender: ?". Firstly, there are very few male sisters in the world, so "????" is presumably female. Secondly, IIRC it's previously explained that the two are twins, therefore they'd also be the same age. Apparently Nick couldn't be bothered to fill in those spaces in the Court Record.


Spoiler: 3-4, maybe?
Name: I believe that's the age you are!
Type of cough-up: uh... flaw in plan?
Location: case 3-4, just as Melissa is properly revealed to be Dahlia
Description: A major part of Mia's accusation that Melissa is Dahlia is that, had Dahlia survived, she'd be the same age Melissa is now. But when becoming Melissa, Dahlia had a full set of official papers fabricated, with assistance from Valerie, including, obviously, a birth certificate. Why, then, would Dahlia's actual birth-date be recorded on the new certificate? She'd want to sever all connections to being Dahlia, and could easily have made her new self a year older. It doesn't really make sense. Perhaps Dahlia's just stupid?


Also, regarding the Ini-Maya key conundrum (I may have already posted about this, but I kinda forget :yuusaku: ): the only logical solution is that "Ini" and Maya swapped clothes before the murder. The bullet was fired into Maya's costume in the box, and "Ini" was wearing the costume with the key in it. "Ini's" was then burned, taking the key to the incinerator. Maya's is left with the bullet hole for the police to discover. Simple.
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Spoiler: 3-4, maybe?
Name: I believe that's the age you are!
Type of cough-up: uh... flaw in plan?
Location: case 3-4, just as Melissa is properly revealed to be Dahlia
Description: A major part of Mia's accusation that Melissa is Dahlia is that, had Dahlia survived, she'd be the same age Melissa is now. But when becoming Melissa, Dahlia had a full set of official papers fabricated, with assistance from Valerie, including, obviously, a birth certificate. Why, then, would Dahlia's actual birth-date be recorded on the new certificate? She'd want to sever all connections to being Dahlia, and could easily have made her new self a year older. It doesn't really make sense. Perhaps Dahlia's just stupid?


I don't think the birth certificate is ever presented, so we cannot know what is written on it, and whether or not it is a contradiction. "She didn't didn't think of it" is not a contradiction, either.
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Is this the area you were talking about, Gigahand?
Yes. Do you have anything else to say regarding this matter? Or are you satisfied with what has been presented? I, myself, think enough evidence has been presented to hand down a verdict.

Capcom is
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These are probably stupid questions, but here goes nothing.

3-1 If Doug wanted to talk to Phoenix without "Dollie" around, why didn't he have Phoenix meet him outside Ivy U?

2-2 If Morgan was so concerned about Phoenix show up, why didn't she just tell Maya Phoenix can't come? Morgan was the ruler of the household if I'm not mistaken? (or Lotta for that matter, though Lotta might have just showed up without being invited or she might of heard Dr. Grey say something about it.)
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1. Well, they did meet behind a building. I don't think he thought Dollie would happen to be walking by then.
2. Maya's condition for doing the channeling was for Phoenix to be there. She had to let Phoenix come, or else Maya wouldn't have done the channeling and she couldn't have carried out the plan. And was she really worried about Phoenix being there? (I don't remember her having a line to that effect...)
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GigaHand wrote:
Yes. Do you have anything else to say regarding this matter? Or are you satisfied with what has been presented? I, myself, think enough evidence has been presented to hand down a verdict.

Capcom is
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Not Guilty of THAT cough-up, at least. :)
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Name: Short getaway
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: 1-2 Second Trial
Description: When White says Mia ran both right and left, and was attacked both ways, he autopsy report, destroyed his claim. Now if he simply said-

:redd: when she ran to the left she dodged the hit, but whe she ran to the right, you stuck her down.

Ergo, there would be no contridiction, and would make things alot harder for Phoenix.
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I believe he DID say that, but he made a slip-up about the glass light stand in that testimony.
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Name: Magatama for All
Type of cough-up: Generic evidence use inconsistency.
Location: Trials and Tribulations Case 5, second investigation phrase (playing as Edgey)
Description: In 3-5, Miles Edgeworth notices many Psyche-Locks. Larry's Psyche-Locks about his alibi, Iris' frightened Psyche-Locks, and the like. But from the information given in 2-2, only Phoenix Wright can see Psyche-Locks, from the way Pearls imbued it with spiritual power. Is there a plausible explanation, supported by proof?
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Spoiler: 3-2
Name: Ron's Guilt
Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
Location: The Stolen Turnabout
Description: We all know Ron was found not guilty of stealing the Sacred Urn. The trial wasn't about if he was Mask*DeMasque, it was about the theft of the Sacred Urn. So surely, when he gets let off for that and it becomes apparent he is Mask*DeMasque, why isn't he jailed for his four other heists? He didn't get trialed for them.

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Maybe there's a really short statute of limitations? ^^'
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Maybe there's a really short statute of limitations? ^^'


But that would mean that...
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Manfred and Gant couldn't have been arrested for their murders.

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But Ron stole stuff, he didn't kill people.

Different crimes have different statutes of limitations.
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But Ron stole stuff, he didn't kill people.

Different crimes have different statutes of limitations.


True, but you would have thought that it would have lasted longer than a year or so. :yuusaku:
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Capybara wrote:
Spoiler: 3-2
Name: Ron's Guilt
Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
Location: The Stolen Turnabout
Description: We all know Ron was found not guilty of stealing the Sacred Urn. The trial wasn't about if he was Mask*DeMasque, it was about the theft of the Sacred Urn. So surely, when he gets let off for that and it becomes apparent he is Mask*DeMasque, why isn't he jailed for his four other heists? He didn't get trialed for them.

Actually, I think they trialled him as Masque*DeMasque, not for the theft of the Urn.
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No... I believe they specifically mentioned a few times they were trying him specifically for the urn, not as Mask*deMasque. (After all, that's why they only talked about the urn.)
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It was essentialy to trial him as Mask*DeMasque, but officially it was just for the urn.
Otherwise we would have to go through all his thefts.
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They didn't have any evidence to convict "Ron DeLite" of the other thefts, all they knew was that MDM stole them. So if they could prove that Ron stole the Urn as MDM, it would be like him confessing to all of the thefts...? At least, I think that's how they want you to see it.
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They didn't have any evidence to convict "Ron DeLite" of the other thefts, all they knew was that MDM stole them. So if they could prove that Ron stole the Urn as MDM, it would be like him confessing to all of the thefts...? At least, I think that's how they want you to see it.


But at the end, he confesses he pulled all the other thefts. So, he would have to be trialed for those as well... :yuusaku:
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Capybara wrote:
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They didn't have any evidence to convict "Ron DeLite" of the other thefts, all they knew was that MDM stole them. So if they could prove that Ron stole the Urn as MDM, it would be like him confessing to all of the thefts...? At least, I think that's how they want you to see it.


But at the end, he confesses he pulled all the other thefts. So, he would have to be trialed for those as well... :yuusaku:

Umm, well what I thought was that when he was found not guilty of stealing the urn, everyone thought that he wasn't MDM, but since the unique situation arised where he WAS MDM but DID NOT steal the urn, everyone overlooked the fact that he could still be tried as MDM for his other crimes, or perhaps it was like Croik said, there was no proof linking him to the other crimes except MDM, and since Ron never publicly or officially confessed to being MDM he got off scott-free. :godot: ....................... :yuusaku: at least I think.... :payne:
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Well, Atmey did blackmail him. :yuusaku: And it was said in court he made Ron do it.
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Maybe they're not gonig after Ron as MDM because of double jepeoardy? (They messed it up enough for that to happen! An accusation is not the same as a trial! T_T)
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LLook, even if they just used the Urn as an example, they probably trialed him for all the other ones.
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I don't know if this one has been brought up yet, since I'm too lazy to read through 44 pages.
Spoiler: case 1-3
After having :devasque: testify about after Jack Hammer was found dead, Edgeworth pointed out that :devasque: left her script behind because she knew there would be a murder that day. However at the end of the case Phoenix comes to the conclusion that she killed Hammer in self defense. How could she know ahead of time that she would kill him in self defense?
Either there's a contradiction or I am totally remembering wrong. Or something else. >_>
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I don't know if this one has been brought up yet, since I'm too lazy to read through 44 pages.
Spoiler: case 1-3
After having :devasque: testify about after Jack Hammer was found dead, Edgeworth pointed out that :devasque: left her script behind because she knew there would be a murder that day. However at the end of the case Phoenix comes to the conclusion that she killed Hammer in self defense. How could she know ahead of time that she would kill him in self defense?
Either there's a contradiction or I am totally remembering wrong. Or something else. >_>


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This was after the murder had been committed, and she had moved the body. So she did know a murder had occured.

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Capybara wrote:
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I don't know if this one has been brought up yet, since I'm too lazy to read through 44 pages.
Spoiler: case 1-3
After having :devasque: testify about after Jack Hammer was found dead, Edgeworth pointed out that :devasque: left her script behind because she knew there would be a murder that day. However at the end of the case Phoenix comes to the conclusion that she killed Hammer in self defense. How could she know ahead of time that she would kill him in self defense?
Either there's a contradiction or I am totally remembering wrong. Or something else. >_>


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This was after the murder had been committed, and she had moved the body. So she did know a murder had occured.
Ah, so I DID remember wrong. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Spoiler: 2-3
If Acro lowered down the crate down with a rope, why isn't the rope still attached and/or where did it go?

Spoiler: 2-3
I was wondering the same thing on my first playthrough of that case. Maybe he either
A) had Money remove it, or
B) used one of Max's invisible strings. Or better yet,
C) Both.


Spoiler: 2-3
Whoever said it's not attatched?

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Capybara wrote:
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Spoiler: 2-3
If Acro lowered down the crate down with a rope, why isn't the rope still attached and/or where did it go?

Spoiler: 2-3
I was wondering the same thing on my first playthrough of that case. Maybe he either
A) had Money remove it, or
B) used one of Max's invisible strings. Or better yet,
C) Both.


Spoiler: 2-3
Whoever said it's not attatched?


I wanna add this now: I asked this question MANY pages ago, but the best someone came up with was "He just could"...

I'll re-state the same thing I said then, now: When Acro lowered the box, he said he "tied the rope to it and lowered it"... Yes, the "POV" section on CR makes an error in this instance by saying he "threw" it... I should know, I played it enough times... :gymshoe:

Now, if he TIED it to the Rope. then there's a pretty big problem: How'd it get UNTIED!? It was tied well enough that it ddin't drop straight down (We KNOW it didn't drop, by the way, because if it DID, then Moe should've heard it, and if it was before Moe arrived, then he should've seen it.
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If the rope was tied all the way around the box in a loop, then once the box hit the ground all he would have to do is pull the rope at a slightly different angle, causing the box to tip. Then the loop would have slipped off.
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If the rope was tied all the way around the box in a loop, then once the box hit the ground all he would have to do is pull the rope at a slightly different angle, causing the box to tip. Then the loop would have slipped off.


Not bad, Croik... except that if it was loose enough to slip off, then that would mean that the loop would not be "secure"... so it would be impossible for it to be lowered all the way down without it falling out of the loop.

And if it was secure, than how the heck did he make it less secure? Keep in mind, if he tipped it enough for it to go at a proper angle (Again, meaning it wasn't properly balanced while lowered...), than if it SOMEHOW slipped off, it would've still made a nice "THUMP!" noise once it officially landed on the ground... I'm glad I'm finally having a Semi-Reasonable "debate" on a subject on this topic with one of my 3 favorite "opponents" I used to go against... *drinks*
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...Maybe he dropped it before Moe got there?

Anyway, if he used a hook, then as soon as he lowered the rope a little more the hook would've come out and he could've brought the rope back up...
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...Maybe he dropped it before Moe got there?

Anyway, if he used a hook, then as soon as he lowered the rope a little more the hook would've come out and he could've brought the rope back up...


Moe would've seen the chest then, but he didn't talk about any chest during his testimony.

He said he "tied" the rope to the trunk (or chest, I forget the word), and lowered it... if it was a hook, he would've said "Hook".
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Who said that? I don't recall Acro ever admitting such a thing.
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Who said that? I don't recall Acro ever admitting such a thing.


I'll re-check I guess... *dusts off game*
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Wow. I can't believe I actually found a possible contradiction that actually got Wrestlemania to go so far as to replay the whole case to find a single line.


So anyways, the only possible explanation mentioned is that Money untied it, which is very unlikely.
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That entire case was very unlikely. :yuusaku:

And the hook explantion wasn't disproved. I'm pretty sure Phoenix was the one to say Acro 'tied' the rope to the box, so unless Acro admitted that he did exactly that, it's only conjecture.
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Burninator wrote:
Wow. I can't believe I actually found a possible contradiction that actually got Wrestlemania to go so far as to replay the whole case to find a single line.


The only reason I'm so determined to prove my point is because I brought this up A WHIIIIIILE ago, but it was simply pushed aside without any real "response" besides "Clever Knotting"...

... That, and Franzise doesn't post much anymore, and she's one of my 3 favorite people on here to debate against, so any excuse to go against her, I'll take! :-P

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
The hook explantion wasn't disproved. I'm pretty sure Phoenix was the one to say Acro 'tied' the rope to the box, so unless Acro admitted that he did exactly that, it's only conjecture.


And THIS is why I like going against Franzise: She offers a decent challenge until I SAY she does. :-P (I'm sorry, I haven't been a prick on here in a looooong time... got a bit of ring rust...)

Spoiler: I should've been tagging these... Eh heh... 2-3!
Anyways, the idea that he used a hook also has its' own flaw, that being, the box has Side Handles... he couldn't lower it and it look "Placed" in this manner, unless it has a top-handle.

If he "lowered" it using a Hook, it would be "Vertical" on the ground, not Horizontal. It would be on its' side, not its' bottom... And using "momentum" to swing it back & forth would also be nearly impossible...

Main reason why is the "Sound": Swinging it would require a LOT of force before it's placed at a proper angle which can have it tipped properly... and when it would hit the ground, it would make a pretty loud "THUD!" sound... However, ANOTHER reason, is because if it was swinging, and it hit the ground with momentum, there would be a large "Dragging Path" in the Snow. However, it seems that it was "Placed Perfectly" in its' spot... Ergo, it couldn't have been "swung" into place.

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