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Call me scatterbrained. =p Yeah, I saw the post, and I'd forgotten I had those untranslated stuff, so I think I'll get into all those later this week. (Probably during the weekend.)

And about Maya looking older, you need to give her a bit of additional height (I'd suspect she wouldn't be walking on those sandals anymore, and would move towards proper high-heeled shoes), and a bit of a fuller figure, especially the chest area. (Hey, being Mia's sister MUST rub something off on her, besides liking the law career.)

Do you still have the PSD of that? If so, go go go and make it into your sig. We needs to spreads the Nick/Maya lurvs. =D
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:beef: That picture is amazing!

I think that the Mia's shoes would actually have about the same amount of height as the sandles. (judging by "waitress Maya"'s shoes looking similar to Mia's shoes)
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(Hey, being Mia's sister MUST rub something off on her, besides liking the law career.)

Ah.. that's the kind of stuff I consider 'relatively irrelevant', sorry.. I was kind of more meaning the facial structure. I'm hoping that figure we got for Maya's height was for GS1 and she hopefully got to grow a cm or so by GS2, because after that it's not happening. Poor little Maya *hugs her*
What, a 'channelling accident' or something? Well, she did seem all stretched out of shape after Dahlia was expelled, though that was days after the usual safe chanelling time period. But it sounds kind of dangerous. Mayaaaaa!

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And I have a bad feeling about Thalassa, knock-on-wood.

Never fear. I already write the rectificationary fanfic...
(to the post 4-4 'scenario', aka Phoenix after some minor distraction and tactlessness finally notices *someone else*, and I wasn't low enough to bring the unwanted character to the screen). I'm not sure what to do with it now though.

Spoiler: Trucy~=Game 1 Maya
Like Kristoph to Edgeworth, Trucy is an ironic spin on Maya's game 1 role - Maya gives Phoenix the decisive evidence in 1-4 (bullet) to WIN the case, Trucy gives him the FORGED evidence to LOSE his career.

I just noticed the further parallel of the evidence thing. It's slightly depressing. Symbolism gets to me. I don't try to think about this, really I don't...I don't even consciously think about this...
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Yeah, I actually find it kind of difficult imagining Maya taller than she is.

Well, studies have shown that short people live longer.

But I can totally imagine this happening:

:maya: Niiick, Pearly is taller than me! It's just not fair!!!

Poor Maya...

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Snap...forget about Phoenix overthrowing Apollo, the writers are trying to overthrow Phoenix! Whatever happened to the 'ceremonious changing of the guard'?

If Phoenix gets completely ruined (in my opinion) in GS5 and there are to be more games after that, I'm just going to say that it's not Phoenix standing there, but an impostor (or someone doing a favor for Phoenix) wearing a full-body-Shelly-de-Killer-esque-baseball-stitch costume or something (the stitch would be down his back). I know it doesn't sound believable, but it's the only way I can think of to get my head-cannon to bypass an 'unfavorable Phoenix' in a progressive timeline.
I'm starting to get story in mind, sort of, for how this comes about. The real Phoenix will end up with Maya at the end, of course.
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Yeah, I actually find it kind of difficult imagining Maya taller than she is.

Well, studies have shown that short people live longer.

But I can totally imagine this happening:

:maya: Niiick, Pearly is taller than me! It's just not fair!!!

Poor Maya...

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Snap...forget about Phoenix overthrowing Apollo, the writers are trying to overthrow Phoenix! Whatever happened to the 'ceremonious changing of the guard'?

If Phoenix gets completely ruined (in my opinion) in GS5 and there are to be more games after that, I'm just going to say that it's not Phoenix standing there, but an impostor (or someone doing a favor for Phoenix) wearing a full-body-Shelly-de-Killer-esque-baseball-stitch costume or something (the stitch would be down his back). I know it doesn't sound believable, but it's the only way I can think of to get my head-cannon to bypass an 'unfavorable Phoenix' in a progressive timeline.
I'm starting to get story in mind, sort of, for how this comes about. The real Phoenix will end up with Maya at the end, of course.


And it'd be funny if he didn't. :karma:
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And it'd be funny if he didn't. :karma:

If GS2 and 3's character development remain officially ret-coned...
PEARL AND IRIS NEVER EXISTED!

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I'm starting to get story in mind, sort of, for how this comes about. The real Phoenix will end up with Maya at the end, of course.


The main problem is though they re-conned game 2 and 3, since this was an AU scenario after 1-5, they make the vaguest of refs to pretend it somehow might have happened in the GS2-3 timeline and thus replaces it ie. an official re-con of all the GS2 and 3 character development. Because the game doesn't seem like bad writing if it's game 1->1-5->x 2 years not GS2/3 Phoenix>4. It all just makes sense. The main issue to push for now would be a) officially declaring it was an AU, NOT a ret-con of 2 and 3, b) reinstating the ret-coned game 2 and 3 character development. a) seems more likely to be achievable. Status quo (all character development from game 2 and 3 is ret-coned and officially didn't ever happen) is unacceptable!

Never fear! I have solved all our woes. Here is the new headcanon story into which we can put all our fanfics!

The may key in handling is
-whether we continue fitting it on one 'timeline'?
-whether we give up and make 2 separate timelines that never re-merge?
-whether we have 2 timelines that re-join/jump 'back' to the better reality at some point?

How about this?

Spoiler: Let's try to solve ALL our Phoenix/Maya timeline and game woes!
Phoenix and Maya continue on their happy post 3-5 way for some years. Then, a nightmare REALITY TEAR is invoked! ('let's make GS4 a new story a retcon of 2 and 3') Phoenix finds himself transported back to the past, trapped into a nightmare scenario ('the Flashback Trial') where all his GS2 and 3 reality, memories and development have been erased!

Maya also has been rebooted to 1-5 status. However, a few inconsistencies aka Easter Eggs soon remind them of their shared GS2/3. Purging it from reality still can't kill their bond!

Unfortunately, Maya, Edgeworth and Phoenix lack the resources from GS2 and 3 to do anything about the sad disbarring situation, but they continue to support Phoenix over the 7 years as the good friends they are, even though the actual events were ret-coned in hindsight.

Oh no! cry the overlord (producer/writers). They tried to brainwash them into thinking game 2 and 3 never happened, but it didn't succeed! Time for more drastic measures.

Phoenix is seized and trapped in a computer game simulation (aka GS4) via the MASON System. Now Maya and Edgeworth can't find him or get to him at all! Maya sends DVDs into a black hole, hoping it will keep his spirits up and maybe COVERTLY restore his memories, slipping under the radar of their oppressive reality overlords. 'Unfortunately', time trapped in the 'game' allows Phoenix to use his intelligence to manipulate it to his own ends. He figures out he's trapped in a computer game and takes over as much as possible.

Whether he manages to escape it altogether yet depends on GS5. At the end of GS4-style games, Maya and Edgeworth achieve a breakthrough! (It's a 'spiritual power'.) Phoenix is rescued from the GS4 game and GS2 and 3 past reality is restored! Their timeline continues TOGETHER either after GS4 OR things are reset to the post 3-5 reality at the timepoint the reality tear happened. The post reality-tear events [GS4] still exist in their memories, but no longer are negatively affecting their future. THE END

..This is why I hate bad timelines and MASON Systems and surreal GS4 games. Precedents to support: MASON System, 4th wall breaking, Phoenix talking to player, Phoenix's ironic comments "Think of it as a 'game'", Phoenix manipulating 'Apollo', Phoenix having no respect for Apollo (too dumb to know it's a game yet) Phoenix taking over the game, 2-4 bad end, and of course the fact it's set in AU after 1-5 to start with otherwise it makes no sense.

I can't bear them not to be together in any AU! GS4 Phoenix/Maya is my OTP even more than the lawyer incarnation, really. I can't abandon him to that kind of Maya-less life.

..and I'd be curious to see that 'replacement for Phoenix' story. A forgery! As for the 'Phoenix's reality reboot to 1-5'.. I have kind of written that scene... or something along those lines.
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icer wrote:
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And it'd be funny if he didn't. :karma:

If GS2 and 3's character development remain officially ret-coned...
PEARL AND IRIS NEVER EXISTED!


No Pearls? No Pearly....... *turns to Capcom* You Bastards.....


(So, wait, A.J. takes place in a timeline where GS2 and 3 never happened?)
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(So, wait, A.J. takes place in a timeline where GS2 and 3 never happened?)


I was required to prove my sanity, so I came up with the goods. Please read!
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Thanks Icer, I hadn't seen your posts about that at all, nor the interviews, so I was naturally lost. Alright, that's good, I can view A.J. in my own canon as an alternate timeline now.
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Alright, that's good, I can view A.J. in my own canon as an alternate timeline now.

I can't. ;_; Not unless they officially declare it, because officially it's not. Only for writing and characterisation it is.
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icer wrote:
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Alright, that's good, I can view A.J. in my own canon as an alternate timeline now.

I can't. ;_; Not unless they officially declare it, because officially it's not. Only for writing and characterisation it is.



In advance, apologize if my avatar/sig sends anyone into fits of rage here, but I`m dropping in to let you guys know that the P/I crowd also supports your alt. timeline theory, Icer. PLEASE post it in this forum or the GS4 one!

heck, maybe GK will even confirm this. Try to find examples of this in other media.

Also, we don't hate or dislike Maya. Personally, If there was any reason Pheonix couldn`t be with Iris, I`d want him to be with Maya.
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i think that alt. timeline will mess things up good though. Considering Capcom did try to tie in AJ with the other 3.
Man they screwed up on that.
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but I`m dropping in to let you guys know that the P/I crowd also supports your alt. timeline theory, Icer. PLEASE post it in this forum or the GS4 one!

heck, maybe GK will even confirm this. Try to find examples of this in other media.

Also, we don't hate or dislike Maya. Personally, If there was any reason Pheonix couldn`t be with Iris, I`d want him to be with Maya.

Oh thanks so much. It really means a lot ;_;
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The main reason I haven't posted it is:
-the, um, controversy
-some mods might see it as a 'plot against Apollo arc', [when really it's the contrary as it restores it to greater acceptability for the entire fan base and is a more respectful assumption to make of the production]
-and it might get closed, if they think it's the same as that general GS5 thread where they shove all the deviant ideas. The site policy is pretty pro-AJ and if being AU is mis-interpreted as not being pro-AJ then...
-and my theory is long. Will anybody even bother to read it? And the concise version won't account for all the arguments' people make while the whole thing does (*sigh* maybe I need A P.R. Manager)
-I'd probably post it in the Defendant Lobby because it might get a better reception

I'm sure there are examples of AU timelines in animes and stuff, but I don't know any... I don' t really watch them. Personally, I think GK will evade the GS4 issue/s to avoid offense to the other part of the franchise.

As for the Iris thread.. oh no, they all seem to think we're flaming and hating Iris! Must.. repair relations.. I don't think any of us 'hate' Iris or slight her personality. We merely think Phoenix and Maya's personality traits are implied as more compatible in forming a long-term life partnership in his future now, though this of course doesn't render Phoenix/Iris impossible. (Of course, frustration sets in when our pairing gets dismissed as stupid and impossible without even proper reasons, just like you people get upset over 'there shouldn't be Phoenix/Iris because I hate Iris') As for the canon, 3-5 is a great case (and 'ending') precisely because it kept the entire fanbase happy by maintaining at least the possibility of every desired pairing (and none at all if you prefer), the debate is over how strong the relative possibilities are implied. So ship Phoenix/Iris if you want to, the canon deliberately gives you the option to do so, it's just when she gets declared 'THE CANON Future Girlfriend' we get annoyed.

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i think that alt. timeline will mess things up good though. Considering Capcom did try to tie in AJ with the other 3.
Man they screwed up on that.

Yeah but its already such a mess that this can repair some of it. Since they wrote it as an AU but threw in a few superficial 'links'. And yes, it was Capcom and not the writers or producer originally who linked it. AU would at least make the writing match (and is easier and more likely than restoring the lost GS2 and 3 character dev to the arc.)
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Even though I'm not a Phoenix/Iris fan, I try to show some support for those who are, because all of us get blackballed by the Rabid Yaoi Fans xD

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Actually, my fallback character defaulting Maya off would be Iris, if only because I can't see Nick as gay. Sure, he may be awkward, he may be dense, but he's one hunky bunk of a man, if you ask me. Especially when it comes to protecting and caring about Maya and Pearls.
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Yeah, if there wasn't so much evidence for Phoenix x Maya, I'd totally ship Phoenix x Iris.
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*randomly walks in*
You know what? If :maya: :phoenix: got together and had a child what would he/she be like???
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You know what? If :maya: :phoenix: got together and had a child what would he/she be like???


If it was Disney, the boy'd look exactly the same as Feenie and the girl'd look exactly as Maya.
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Szabu wrote:
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You know what? If :maya: :phoenix: got together and had a child what would he/she be like???


If it was Disney, the boy'd look exactly the same as Feenie and the girl'd look exactly as Maya.


xDDD Indeed.

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As for the Iris thread.. oh no, they all seem to think we're flaming and hating Iris! Must.. repair relations.. I don't think any of us 'hate' Iris or slight her personality. We merely think Phoenix and Maya's personality traits are implied as more compatible in forming a long-term life partnership in his future now, though this of course doesn't render Phoenix/Iris impossible. (Of course, frustration sets in when our pairing gets dismissed as stupid and impossible without even proper reasons, just like you people get upset over 'there shouldn't be Phoenix/Iris because I hate Iris') As for the canon, 3-5 is a great case (and 'ending') precisely because it kept the entire fanbase happy by maintaining at least the possibility of every desired pairing (and none at all if you prefer), the debate is over how strong the relative possibilities are implied. So ship Phoenix/Iris if you want to, the canon deliberately gives you the option to do so, it's just when she gets declared 'THE CANON Future Girlfriend' we get annoyed.


QFT. I don't dislike Phoenix/Iris because I hate Iris, I just think it wouldn't work out after everything Iris did. It has nothing to do with my hatred of Iris.

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I hear that. Yaoi I have no problem with if the characters are canonly gay. But if they aren't and are only ever shown to be friends and one has a [semi-]canon love interest and then people instantly assume GAYGAYGAY? NO. Phoenix/Edgeworth is like Riku/Sora in Kingdom Hearts or Neku/Joshua *vomit* in TWEWY. It bothers me.
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AH! It's this picture again! I love it so much (like I said last time.) I love Maya's expression. I love Apollo's expression and awkwardness. I love the pic of Phoenix. I want to hug him. And I like the hair. The kid MUST inherit those hair spikes. I demand it.

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Phoenix/Edgeworth is like Riku/Sora in Kingdom Hearts or Neku/Joshua *vomit* in TWEWY. It bothers me.

Now, now... there's actual basis for Phoenix/Edgeworth (and our canon plausibility of a serious Phoenix/Maya ship only started in game 2.) Just imagine if one were female... It's not Yaoi for Yaoi's sake. Klavier/Apollo on the other hand... *cringes* no basis! no basis!

@Thornheart OT: Hey, your name isn't inspired by the overly-dramatic and epic Warrior Cats series is it? :D

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Remember the Apollo Justice Demo? I'm annoyed, so I'm going to edit it. Provided I can think of a decent enough plot to justify the trouble. Sadly it's a lot shorter than I remembered. Very little gets established and it ends abruptly. I was hoping Maya could save Phoenix instead, but the case gets nowhere.. and there's a Chords Of Steel Failure ending where Kristoph taunts.

This ending must be changed. What should happen instead? Ideas, please!!!!!!!! Remember, I'd prefer we save Phoenix. (I'm thinking spectacular plotting and cutscenes here, only limited interactive extra trial can be added, the whole thing is along a sequential timeline with absolute references) The basic trial and sequence, animations etc will be the same except for substitution (Maya not Apollo, sound change etc) and of course, the TEXT will change. I don't care if the plot is insane or surreal BTW. It probably has to be for 'resolution' in something that short. And I completed Maya's lawyer theme music loop. (I never do anything 'useful', do I...)
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icer wrote:
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AH! It's this picture again! I love it so much (like I said last time.) I love Maya's expression. I love Apollo's expression and awkwardness. I love the pic of Phoenix. I want to hug him. And I like the hair. The kid MUST inherit those hair spikes. I demand it.


:bellboy: Thank you... And yeah, it's not Phoenix's kid without SPIKY HAIR.

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Phoenix/Edgeworth is like Riku/Sora in Kingdom Hearts or Neku/Joshua *vomit* in TWEWY. It bothers me.

Now, now... there's actual basis for Phoenix/Edgeworth (and our canon plausibility of a serious Phoenix/Maya ship only started in game 2.) Just imagine if one were female... It's not Yaoi for Yaoi's sake. Klavier/Apollo on the other hand... *cringes* no basis! no basis!


That is true. I can see how one could interpret some of the things they say as romantic. But it DOES often seem like people only ship it 'cause they think it's hot.

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@Thornheart OT: Hey, your name isn't inspired by the overly-dramatic and epic Warrior Cats series is it? :D


Why, yes, it is! :D

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Icer, you must change your sig, we demands it! (Godot does as well!)


A random question about 4.5, is Phoenix still going to be disbarred? If or if not, are you going to still use Hobo Mode for his outfit, or use one based off of his normal suit?


As for the plot, the only thing I can think of that could "rescue" Phoenix, if my thinking is the same as yours on the meaning of "Rescue", is that with the help of Mia, perhaps via olderPearls, some form of resolution dealing with the 7 years bit is done.

Having not played A.J. yet, I've little to contribute here, sadly, but I'll help how I can.
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I think you just did by posting here xD
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OH AHHHHHHHH :scratch: NOT AGIAIN!!!!!!

To join, you must be an undying supporter of the Phoenix/Maya pairing! (Since this is not a debate thread.) :pearly:

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A random question about 4.5, is Phoenix still going to be disbarred? If or if not, are you going to still use Hobo Mode for his outfit, or use one based off of his normal suit?


At the beginning, yes... The ending is still up for plot direction. And he's still going to be on trial like the demo. (The actual trial/crime isn't being changed, unless someone has a spectacular idea which can follow the same sequence.) Think of it kind of like a parody? The 'good ending' version of game 4 with Maya. :gant-clap: And I regret it's not going to be a full game. Play the AJ Demo and what you see is basically what you get.

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Well, Mia could be involved, but I was hoping for something other than 'divine intervention'. See, I already edited half the text and sprites, so it seems a pity to waste it...
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Sounds like an awesome idea! So how does the Lawyer Maya theme sound?

One question though: is it going to be set after GS4 or is it a replacement/AU of 4-1?

I can't, unfortunately, play the demo myself...well, I could, but it the text loads at like 1 letter per second no matter what I do. How abruptly does the demo trial end? (ie. what point in 4-1, assuming that it has the same case as 4-1 until the end)
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To answer the question as best I can, as I've not played 4 at all, it gets into the first cross examination with Phoenix, and ends just as he's going to give his second testimony.


You're having it be the same length, am I correct Icer? I ask as I wonder how we'll be able to explain Maya's rise to a lawyer, among other things. Who will replace Kristoph, anyway?
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You're having it be the same length, am I correct Icer? I ask as I wonder how we'll be able to explain Maya's rise to a lawyer, among other things. Who will replace Kristoph, anyway?

Maya being a lawyer is the part I've already written (into the game actually.) After she couldn't help Phoenix and he languished disbarred for too many years, she went to law school to try and figure out how to help him. Since he got convicted of murder, she took the bar exam (early?) the other day (Mia did some of it.) She's been doing 'work experience' with Kristoph in collusion with Phoenix, though Kristoph doesn't know they're friends, she pretends to him they fell out over the disbarring. Kristoph stays.

Actually I might be able to recycle some of the court/testimony modules to make it longer. The problem is everything is hard-coded on the timeline, so it has to be virtually the same thing sequentially in a duplicate file, and not enough has happened to put Kristoph on the stand yet.

Very little happens in the demo. Theres' a cross examination with 2 testimonies by Phoenix, and you present one contradiction objection (which is Phoenix's prints on the murder weapon.) Then Apollo tries to object to Payne's accusation and his chords of steel fail, Kristoph taunts him and it ends.

So I guess some 'cataclysmic event' must just happen here instead. :gant:
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Sounds like an awesome idea! So how does the Lawyer Maya theme sound?

One question though: is it going to be set after GS4 or is it a replacement/AU of 4-1?

It's a token replacement, I guess :) The original idea was just a better ('upgrade') version of the whole game 4 which had Maya (Apollo could turn up as well and do cases 2 and 3 unedited. Kind of like Pokemon Platinum and Emerald - A better upgrade game to the arc which retcons the previous ones plot with a better story and features:) but since it's so short and the endings of 4-1 and 4-4 can't happen, maybe I'll just pull of something more drastic, like a ret-con or 'escape from the MASON System' or something. I'm upset Maya won't get to convict Kristoph, (the very concept thrills me) but he can have a nice breakdown when the cataclysmic event happens, I guess. We just have to decide exactly what the 'cataclysmic event' is and the extent of its positive consequences.

Here's the theme loop.Nothing spectacular, but I haven't exactly attempted music file editing before (And in a flash file nobody will notice)
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I've always wanted to see that version of Cornered used in game, and I think Maya being the one to use it is pure win! A shame we can't fully rewrite A.J. for this, as I'd love to see a scene in Phoenix's P.O.V. where he flashes back to Mia defending him in 3.1, and superimposing that image onto Maya now (An analogue to Godot's reaction near the end of 3.5, of him seeing Mia superimposed over Phoenix).
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Xanatos wrote:
I've always wanted to see that version of Cornered used in game, and I think Maya being the one to use it is pure win! A shame we can't fully rewrite A.J. for this, as I'd love to see a scene in Phoenix's P.O.V. where he flashes back to Mia defending him in 3.1, and superimposing that image onto Maya now (An analogue to Godot's reaction near the end of 3.5, of him seeing Mia superimposed over Phoenix).


It had to be. Because it has Turnabout Sisters in it! (I wish she could Cornered Kristoph with it. In 4-4 even better.)

Yeah, I wish we could have edited the whole AJ too, but alas some things are probably beyond my capabilities. (No doubt this guy would know how but I can't exactly demand he tell me, though I do it if I could)

Oh I realised, since case 4-4 has a 'bad' ending, if GS5 proves to be too 'contradictory' to our ship, we can just pretend it happened instead. Sure Vera dies but, uh.. life is full of compromises?
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Oh I realised, since case 4-4 has a 'bad' ending, if GS5 proves to be too 'contradictory' to our ship, we can just pretend it happened instead. Sure Vera dies but, uh.. life is full of compromises?

Well, you can't have everything, I guess, but I don't think Phoenix could become a lawyer again if a Not Guilty verdict isn't reached. While in retrospect it may be a fair tradeoff for circumventing something like a Phoenix/Thalassa marriage (*barfs at the prospect and also because if evidence from GS1-3 had its way, we wouldn't be having to make such a tradeoff in the first place*), it cuts off some fanfiction possibilities.

Hopefully GS5 will not prove too contradictory (or Phoenix won't appear at all) and we could just say that AJ is just a 'simplified' version of what really happened and re-write apollo justice to cover the whole truth.
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Equilibrate Concerto wrote:
Well, you can't have everything, I guess, but I don't think Phoenix could become a lawyer again if a Not Guilty verdict isn't reached. While in retrospect it may be a fair tradeoff for circumventing something like a Phoenix/Thalassa marriage (*barfs at the prospect and also because if evidence from GS1-3 had its way, we wouldn't be having to make such a tradeoff in the first place*), it cuts off some fanfiction possibilities.

Hopefully GS5 will not prove too contradictory (or Phoenix won't appear at all) and we could just say that AJ is just a 'simplified' version of what really happened and re-write apollo justice to cover the whole truth.


Kristoph admits about commissioning the forgery in court and deliberately ruining Phoenix before the verdict, so it still may be possible to get his name cleared. In our alternate scenario, this admission by Kristoph in court could easily be used by Edgeworth/Maya etc. to have Phoenix's name officially cleared by the Bar Assn.

I don't think they'd go so far as to get Phoenix/Thalassa marriage *vomit* as they don't tend to actually go that far in ships in that game (though the new arc might not stick to that policy). But it might reach Maggey/Gumshoe status. I fear this might be what they deem a cliche 'happy ending' now that games 2 and 3 have been deemed redundant.

Still, we don't know what policy the GS5 production will be forced to adhere to, or even if it will end up being made at all. The obvious production policy of GS4 was NOT to have it be a continuation of GS2 and 3 in any way, but there might be an official demand that it be realigned with the original arc (short of this official demand I don't see it happening though.)

The main annoyance with GS5 is that it's just something looming on the distant horizon, but we have no idea when it will ever even occur, only that it supposedly will, and there is zero indication as to what direction it will take re. Phoenix and the original arc. (GS4 was clearly a continuation of the 1-5 conceptual scenario, not the GS3 scenario, and I wish they'd just officially label it as such, but short of that, they don't consider GS2 and 3 part of their 'new story' and they are not ever going to be taken into consideration unless there is official insistence that they are or are told to provide Maya-Edgeworth fanservice.)
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Just a short question.

Is it possible, anyhow, that they'll make GS with Phoenix, again?
As a main character, i mean.
Not really, does it? :/
they'd have to make new sprites of maya, pearls and so on.. ugh.
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Sahnie wrote:
Just a short question.

Is it possible, anyhow, that they'll make GS with Phoenix, again?
As a main character, i mean.
Not really, does it? :/
they'd have to make new sprites of maya, pearls and so on.. ugh.


That is what I'm hoping for, but I guess the answer is no... :larry:
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We'll never know until they announce it.
But I really hope that Maya will appear again somehow in GS5.
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Sahnie wrote:
Just a short question.

Is it possible, anyhow, that they'll make GS with Phoenix, again?
As a main character, i mean.
Not really, does it? :/
they'd have to make new sprites of maya, pearls and so on.. ugh.


GS5 with Phoenix as star instead of Apollo?
It seems very unlikely. ;_;
Maya might appear in GS5, but it will take an official demand from Capcom either to have her, or better align Apollo Arc back with the old arc. AKA give up their attempt to write a whole new story which didn't have a new um character. There's got to be a massive production policy change from GS4. (ie 'the plot and character development of game 2 and 3 actually happened and are not deemed irrelevant any more')

If GK became a series, it seems the best hope of ever seeing Maya again, in any positive light at least.

New sprites isn't the problem, it's them not wanting to make an extension of GS3 in the first place.
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double post *cries*
Um, since it's Valentines Day, I thought i'd (re) post some fanart. I forget the sources...
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Maya decides to make chocolate ramen
Remember last year's official valentines art?
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Oh and this is supposed to be Maya vs Kristoph. I have no idea what it says, but it sounds intriguing.
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I also drew my token fanart of the year *evil laugh* Debating whether to scan it.

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Happy Valentines Day, guys. Do you remember me? I don't think so.

I am going to get Sims 2, icer. It look awesome, and my friend at school always talks about it. So, I'm trying to get Phoenix and Maya together on my game.
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Happy Valentines Day, guys. Do you remember me? I don't think so.

I am going to get Sims 2, icer. It look awesome, and my friend at school always talks about it. So, I'm trying to get Phoenix and Maya together on my game.


I remember you! Well, I remember you because of your sig, but, uh, welcome back!

Aww, yes. Well, all that stuff of mine did not come out of the box, I kind of modded it up to the eyeballs, but I'm sure I can give your the Phoenix and Maya models when you get it. *sigh* still haven't got round to buying that new computer so I can continue the Sim story. This month! Then it's back to eating 6 days a week.
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