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Don't think this is really a contraction, but it's more Will was playing dumb. Put yourself in Will's shoes for a second. I mean, you probably wouldn't want to tell anyone you are the Pink Princess, least of all WENDY FREAKING OLDBAG. Will would become a laughingstock if Oldbag found that out.
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Forgive me for intruding on this conversation, but didn't Ben say in his testimony that he had to help Moe back into his apartment because he was "close to kneeling over for good". Maybe either the box was lowered while Moe was recovering or it was already there and he missed it because Ben had to carry him there. But if the later happened, then Ben should of saw it. Why didn't Ben say anything. I don't know.
And that brings me to something else that bugs me. How did Ben carry Moe back to his room when Moe is about twice the size of Ben? I doubt Ben had any thing to help him carry Moe.
And that brings me to something else that bugs me. How did Ben carry Moe back to his room when Moe is about twice the size of Ben? I doubt Ben had any thing to help him carry Moe.
Ben never said he carried Moe anywhere... He said that he "left with the stooge. I mean clown".
If you press him on that, he says that he helped Moe to the Lodging House, then went to the Plaza... In other words, he went to what was most likely just the GATE, and then after Moe left, Ben ran to the front of the Circus Entrance.
... But by asking about how Ben might've picked up Moe, you have officially made a new OTP... Congrats... You mist now die.
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1) The box was lowered before Moe returned from rehearsal, and he missed seeing it. I think this is most likely, as Acro knew everyone was at rehearsal and would want to lower the box at a time when he knew for sure that no one would be wandering around outside. As for why Moe missed it, there is nothing that states Moe HAD to have seen it. He was tired, it was dark. The light does not matter--we don't know at what point it was on, how it turns on, who or what turns it on and off, etc.
Not to mention, what if the box was lowered while it was still snowing? Then it would be covered in snow and, light or not, it would be hard to spot if you're heading straight to your room after an exhausting day. Why there's no snow on it later, Russel could have simply dusted it off. It takes only a few seconds to dust off a box. Saying Russel was in too much of a hurry to swipe his arm over it once is just silly.
2) The box was lowered after Moe returned from rehearsal, and he did not hear it. Why he didn't hear it, we don't know. Maybe he was rummaging around, maybe Acro was able to lower the box without making a sound. Again the game does not state the exact method, so there's no contradiction saying it HAD to have made a big sound or that Moe HAD to have heard it if it did.
Either way there is still no contradiction. It's not impossible to lower a box and get the rope back, it's not impossible to miss seeing something. Unless there's evidence that either of these things is not possible, it's not a contradiction.
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Wrestle you seem very devoted to this contradiction, but the fact is that Moe did not testify about the box. That means there are only two possibilities:
1) The box was lowered before Moe returned from rehearsal, and he missed seeing it. I think this is most likely, as Acro knew everyone was at rehearsal and would want to lower the box at a time when he knew for sure that no one would be wandering around outside. As for why Moe missed it, there is nothing that states Moe HAD to have seen it. He was tired, it was dark. The light does not matter--we don't know at what point it was on, how it turns on, who or what turns it on and off, etc.
Not to mention, what if the box was lowered while it was still snowing? Then it would be covered in snow and, light or not, it would be hard to spot if you're heading straight to your room after an exhausting day. Why there's no snow on it later, Russel could have simply dusted it off. It takes only a few seconds to dust off a box. Saying Russel was in too much of a hurry to swipe his arm over it once is just silly.
2) The box was lowered after Moe returned from rehearsal, and he did not hear it. Why he didn't hear it, we don't know. Maybe he was rummaging around, maybe Acro was able to lower the box without making a sound. Again the game does not state the exact method, so there's no contradiction saying it HAD to have made a big sound or that Moe HAD to have heard it if it did.
Either way there is still no contradiction. It's not impossible to lower a box and get the rope back, it's not impossible to miss seeing something. Unless there's evidence that either of these things is not possible, it's not a contradiction.
1) The box was lowered before Moe returned from rehearsal, and he missed seeing it. I think this is most likely, as Acro knew everyone was at rehearsal and would want to lower the box at a time when he knew for sure that no one would be wandering around outside. As for why Moe missed it, there is nothing that states Moe HAD to have seen it. He was tired, it was dark. The light does not matter--we don't know at what point it was on, how it turns on, who or what turns it on and off, etc.
Not to mention, what if the box was lowered while it was still snowing? Then it would be covered in snow and, light or not, it would be hard to spot if you're heading straight to your room after an exhausting day. Why there's no snow on it later, Russel could have simply dusted it off. It takes only a few seconds to dust off a box. Saying Russel was in too much of a hurry to swipe his arm over it once is just silly.
2) The box was lowered after Moe returned from rehearsal, and he did not hear it. Why he didn't hear it, we don't know. Maybe he was rummaging around, maybe Acro was able to lower the box without making a sound. Again the game does not state the exact method, so there's no contradiction saying it HAD to have made a big sound or that Moe HAD to have heard it if it did.
Either way there is still no contradiction. It's not impossible to lower a box and get the rope back, it's not impossible to miss seeing something. Unless there's evidence that either of these things is not possible, it's not a contradiction.
You seem as devoted to attempting to totally disprove my argument, as I am to prove it... perhaps more... It's not a good habit to be entirely devote yourself towards...
Either way, Croik, read the newer posts. We're kind've PAST the contradiction at this point...
The train came, everyone boarded, you missed the train, ese.
The final conclusion was simple: It MIGHT be a contradiction, but at present, it is unable to be determined... Using your regular tactic of "It's NOT a contradiction" won't disprove anything at the point we have reached...
The Rope could have been used in a certain way to get the box down, then have the rope retrieved... It DOES, however, contradict the WORDS said. You can question the "authenticity" of the words via the Speaker, but once again, anything you say in defense can also be claimed as "Questionable" and "Unauthentic"...
It's a Stalemate.
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You don't win.
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rydus65 wrote:
I also have something to say about an earlier contraction. This one:
Location: JFA Case 4
Description: At the very start, before we know there has been a murder, Wendy says "You didn't get nominated last year either, did you?" to Powers. Minutes earlier Powers had informed you that The Pink Princess won last year, which is why Jammin' Ninja has his runner up reputation. Will Powers was The Pink Princess.
Don't think this is really a contraction, but it's more Will was playing dumb. Put yourself in Will's shoes for a second. I mean, you probably wouldn't want to tell anyone you are the Pink Princess, least of all WENDY FREAKING OLDBAG. Will would become a laughingstock if Oldbag found that out.
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Description: At the very start, before we know there has been a murder, Wendy says "You didn't get nominated last year either, did you?" to Powers. Minutes earlier Powers had informed you that The Pink Princess won last year, which is why Jammin' Ninja has his runner up reputation. Will Powers was The Pink Princess.
Don't think this is really a contraction, but it's more Will was playing dumb. Put yourself in Will's shoes for a second. I mean, you probably wouldn't want to tell anyone you are the Pink Princess, least of all WENDY FREAKING OLDBAG. Will would become a laughingstock if Oldbag found that out.
This was one year after AA.
They probably just changed actors to be the pink princess.
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rydus65 wrote:
Forgive me for intruding on this conversation, but didn't Ben say in his testimony that he had to help Moe back into his apartment because he was "close to kneeling over for good". Maybe either the box was lowered while Moe was recovering or it was already there and he missed it because Ben had to carry him there. But if the later happened, then Ben should of saw it. Why didn't Ben say anything. I don't know.
And that brings me to something else that bugs me. How did Ben carry Moe back to his room when Moe is about twice the size of Ben? I doubt Ben had any thing to help him carry Moe.
And that brings me to something else that bugs me. How did Ben carry Moe back to his room when Moe is about twice the size of Ben? I doubt Ben had any thing to help him carry Moe.
Plus Moe is on the chunky side.
Actually, that raises a contradiction that isn't really one. How the hell die Moe climb all those steps to Acro's room and not get tired while Phoenix, who seems to be abnormally big chested, get out of breath?
Plus he cycles to work everyday.
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Capybara wrote:
rydus65 wrote:
Forgive me for intruding on this conversation, but didn't Ben say in his testimony that he had to help Moe back into his apartment because he was "close to kneeling over for good". Maybe either the box was lowered while Moe was recovering or it was already there and he missed it because Ben had to carry him there. But if the later happened, then Ben should of saw it. Why didn't Ben say anything. I don't know.
And that brings me to something else that bugs me. How did Ben carry Moe back to his room when Moe is about twice the size of Ben? I doubt Ben had any thing to help him carry Moe.
And that brings me to something else that bugs me. How did Ben carry Moe back to his room when Moe is about twice the size of Ben? I doubt Ben had any thing to help him carry Moe.
Plus Moe is on the chunky side.
Actually, that raises a contradiction that isn't really one. How the hell die Moe climb all those steps to Acro's room and not get tired while Phoenix, who seems to be abnormally big chested, get out of breath?
Plus he cycles to work everyday.Vertigo perhaps? This might also affect his fear of heights.
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This is a thread for contradictions. The whole point is for people to post what they think could be errors, the way you do in the game, which amount to "It could not have happened that way." But there is still nothing that says that Acro could NOT have lowered the box the way the case said he did (i.e. with a rope) and therefore it was never a contradiction. There's no "might" about it.
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You just stated how we are to "post what they think could be errors, the way you do in the game...". In this sense, I take it more literally: I take the somewhat snobby attitudes of most of the prosecutors and envoke it in my responses. Obviously, I don't actually DISLIKE you, ese! I'm just seeming to be an Overconfident prick because that's the way the "Pros" do it!
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Of course there's "might" and "attitude" in it! I thought you were a fan of Klavier Gavin and Miles Edegworth!
You just stated how we are to "post what they think could be errors, the way you do in the game...". In this sense, I take it more literally: I take the somewhat snobby attitudes of most of the prosecutors and envoke it in my responses. Obviously, I don't actually DISLIKE you, ese! I'm just seeming to be an Overconfident prick because that's the way the "Pros" do it!
You just stated how we are to "post what they think could be errors, the way you do in the game...". In this sense, I take it more literally: I take the somewhat snobby attitudes of most of the prosecutors and envoke it in my responses. Obviously, I don't actually DISLIKE you, ese! I'm just seeming to be an Overconfident prick because that's the way the "Pros" do it!
I try to envoke Godot, myself. Keep the sentences short and to the point. My critical thinking mindset is just Godotesque, what can I say? Also, who could hate Croik when she made this:
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Of course there's "might" and "attitude" in it! I thought you were a fan of Klavier Gavin and Miles Edegworth!
You just stated how we are to "post what they think could be errors, the way you do in the game...". In this sense, I take it more literally: I take the somewhat snobby attitudes of most of the prosecutors and envoke it in my responses. Obviously, I don't actually DISLIKE you, ese! I'm just seeming to be an Overconfident prick because that's the way the "Pros" do it!
You just stated how we are to "post what they think could be errors, the way you do in the game...". In this sense, I take it more literally: I take the somewhat snobby attitudes of most of the prosecutors and envoke it in my responses. Obviously, I don't actually DISLIKE you, ese! I'm just seeming to be an Overconfident prick because that's the way the "Pros" do it!
I try to envoke Godot, myself. Keep the sentences short and to the point. My critical thinking mindset is just Godotesque, what can I say?
...I just post and explain cough ups. >_>
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With both the Acro lowering the rope thing and How Ben picked up Moe, The logic in 2-3 is almost as messed up as 4-3.
I don't know, maybe money brought the box down. I don't know if he can lift that box or not. It still doesn't explain why Moe didn't see it.
Something else bugs me also. According to Gumshoe, Practice broke up at around 10 pm. The Ringmaster was murdered at 10:15. The following events occured in that time:
Ben left with the stooge, I mean clown.
Moe was "about halfway from kneeling over for good."
Ben SOMEHOW managed to help Moe get to the lodge.
Ben went back near the tent where he saw the Ringmaster dressed as Max.
Russell got to the crate,(which SOMEHOW was lowered sometime in the fifteen minutes.) And was murdered.
How the hell was all this done in a span of 15 minutes. My main problem is Ben carring Moe. Methods aside, Ben would have about 10 minutes to help Moe get back to the lodge, then get back to in front of the tent to see Russel. And Ben would be tired from picking up moe. I don't think it was that far from the lodging house to the tent, but it's still unlikely this happened. Not to mention Money coming along to steal Trilo's Ring, but Most of that took place after Ben saw Russell. This is probably just an extention to my first question, but still...
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And the logic in 4-3 wasn't really that messed up. The police just made a really stupid decision on who to arrest and
Spoiler: 4-3
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...I just post and explain cough ups. >_>
And that's why your Username isn't "Awesome Player".
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Wrestlemania wrote:
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...I just post and explain cough ups. >_>
And that's why your Username isn't "Awesome Player".
That is foolish foolery that only a foolhardy foolish fool would foolish use to fool a foolish fool in a foolishly foolish argument about foolishly foolish tomfoolery!!
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Bad Player wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
...I just post and explain cough ups. >_>
And that's why your Username isn't "Awesome Player".
That is foolish foolery that only a foolhardy foolish fool would foolish use to fool a foolish fool in a foolishly foolish argument about foolishly foolish tomfoolery!!
(I make a great Klavier, don't I?
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rydus65 wrote:
^That picture is hilarious.
With both the Acro lowering the rope thing and How Ben picked up Moe, The logic in 2-3 is almost as messed up as 4-3.
I don't know, maybe money brought the box down. I don't know if he can lift that box or not. It still doesn't explain why Moe didn't see it.
Something else bugs me also. According to Gumshoe, Practice broke up at around 10 pm. The Ringmaster was murdered at 10:15. The following events occured in that time:
Ben left with the stooge, I mean clown.
Moe was "about halfway from kneeling over for good."
Ben SOMEHOW managed to help Moe get to the lodge.
Ben went back near the tent where he saw the Ringmaster dressed as Max.
Russell got to the crate,(which SOMEHOW was lowered sometime in the fifteen minutes.) And was murdered.
How the hell was all this done in a span of 15 minutes. My main problem is Ben carring Moe. Methods aside, Ben would have about 10 minutes to help Moe get back to the lodge, then get back to in front of the tent to see Russel. And Ben would be tired from picking up moe. I don't think it was that far from the lodging house to the tent, but it's still unlikely this happened. Not to mention Money coming along to steal Trilo's Ring, but Most of that took place after Ben saw Russell. This is probably just an extention to my first question, but still...
With both the Acro lowering the rope thing and How Ben picked up Moe, The logic in 2-3 is almost as messed up as 4-3.
I don't know, maybe money brought the box down. I don't know if he can lift that box or not. It still doesn't explain why Moe didn't see it.
Something else bugs me also. According to Gumshoe, Practice broke up at around 10 pm. The Ringmaster was murdered at 10:15. The following events occured in that time:
Ben left with the stooge, I mean clown.
Moe was "about halfway from kneeling over for good."
Ben SOMEHOW managed to help Moe get to the lodge.
Ben went back near the tent where he saw the Ringmaster dressed as Max.
Russell got to the crate,(which SOMEHOW was lowered sometime in the fifteen minutes.) And was murdered.
How the hell was all this done in a span of 15 minutes. My main problem is Ben carring Moe. Methods aside, Ben would have about 10 minutes to help Moe get back to the lodge, then get back to in front of the tent to see Russel. And Ben would be tired from picking up moe. I don't think it was that far from the lodging house to the tent, but it's still unlikely this happened. Not to mention Money coming along to steal Trilo's Ring, but Most of that took place after Ben saw Russell. This is probably just an extention to my first question, but still...
Never said he carried him. Moe probably just leaned on Ben for support.
And 4-3's logic is waaaaaaay more messed up.
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Capybara wrote:
rydus65 wrote:
^That picture is hilarious.
With both the Acro lowering the rope thing and How Ben picked up Moe, The logic in 2-3 is almost as messed up as 4-3.
I don't know, maybe money brought the box down. I don't know if he can lift that box or not. It still doesn't explain why Moe didn't see it.
Something else bugs me also. According to Gumshoe, Practice broke up at around 10 pm. The Ringmaster was murdered at 10:15. The following events occured in that time:
Ben left with the stooge, I mean clown.
Moe was "about halfway from kneeling over for good."
Ben SOMEHOW managed to help Moe get to the lodge.
Ben went back near the tent where he saw the Ringmaster dressed as Max.
Russell got to the crate,(which SOMEHOW was lowered sometime in the fifteen minutes.) And was murdered.
How the hell was all this done in a span of 15 minutes. My main problem is Ben carring Moe. Methods aside, Ben would have about 10 minutes to help Moe get back to the lodge, then get back to in front of the tent to see Russel. And Ben would be tired from picking up moe. I don't think it was that far from the lodging house to the tent, but it's still unlikely this happened. Not to mention Money coming along to steal Trilo's Ring, but Most of that took place after Ben saw Russell. This is probably just an extention to my first question, but still...
With both the Acro lowering the rope thing and How Ben picked up Moe, The logic in 2-3 is almost as messed up as 4-3.
I don't know, maybe money brought the box down. I don't know if he can lift that box or not. It still doesn't explain why Moe didn't see it.
Something else bugs me also. According to Gumshoe, Practice broke up at around 10 pm. The Ringmaster was murdered at 10:15. The following events occured in that time:
Ben left with the stooge, I mean clown.
Moe was "about halfway from kneeling over for good."
Ben SOMEHOW managed to help Moe get to the lodge.
Ben went back near the tent where he saw the Ringmaster dressed as Max.
Russell got to the crate,(which SOMEHOW was lowered sometime in the fifteen minutes.) And was murdered.
How the hell was all this done in a span of 15 minutes. My main problem is Ben carring Moe. Methods aside, Ben would have about 10 minutes to help Moe get back to the lodge, then get back to in front of the tent to see Russel. And Ben would be tired from picking up moe. I don't think it was that far from the lodging house to the tent, but it's still unlikely this happened. Not to mention Money coming along to steal Trilo's Ring, but Most of that took place after Ben saw Russell. This is probably just an extention to my first question, but still...
Never said he carried him. Moe probably just leaned on Ben for support.
And 4-3's logic is waaaaaaay more messed up.
At the risk of making the Apollo Justice version of this thread obsolete, I have to agree. No case was as poorly thought out as Lamirior's.
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During Bikini's Psyche-Lock sequence on the second investigation day, Phoenix refers to Maya as "the new Master". When Phoenix accuses 'Iris' of being Dahlia on the last trial day, he says "The blood of the Master of the Kurain Channeling Technique flows within that body."
So why does he assume Maya is dead when Dahlia says she is?
...I guess this can be written off as Phoenix being Gumshoe-level stupid, but still.
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Anyway, Maya is the master at that point and Phoenix knows it; Phoenix knows Elise is Misty, and Maya is next in line to be the master, and since the previous master is dead, now Maya is the new master.
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Which body is "that body" again?
Anyway, Maya is the master at that point and Phoenix knows it; Phoenix knows Elise is Misty, and Maya is next in line to be the master, and since the previous master is dead, now Maya is the new master.
Anyway, Maya is the master at that point and Phoenix knows it; Phoenix knows Elise is Misty, and Maya is next in line to be the master, and since the previous master is dead, now Maya is the new master.
The problem lies in the fact that at that point of the trial Nick did not know Dahlia was in Maya. Godot was the first to find that out, long after Dahlia was revealed to be herself. Hence, the contradiction.
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Capybara wrote:
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^That picture is hilarious.
With both the Acro lowering the rope thing and How Ben picked up Moe, The logic in 2-3 is almost as messed up as 4-3.
I don't know, maybe money brought the box down. I don't know if he can lift that box or not. It still doesn't explain why Moe didn't see it.
Something else bugs me also. According to Gumshoe, Practice broke up at around 10 pm. The Ringmaster was murdered at 10:15. The following events occured in that time:
Ben left with the stooge, I mean clown.
Moe was "about halfway from kneeling over for good."
Ben SOMEHOW managed to help Moe get to the lodge.
Ben went back near the tent where he saw the Ringmaster dressed as Max.
Russell got to the crate,(which SOMEHOW was lowered sometime in the fifteen minutes.) And was murdered.
How the hell was all this done in a span of 15 minutes. My main problem is Ben carring Moe. Methods aside, Ben would have about 10 minutes to help Moe get back to the lodge, then get back to in front of the tent to see Russel. And Ben would be tired from picking up moe. I don't think it was that far from the lodging house to the tent, but it's still unlikely this happened. Not to mention Money coming along to steal Trilo's Ring, but Most of that took place after Ben saw Russell. This is probably just an extention to my first question, but still...
With both the Acro lowering the rope thing and How Ben picked up Moe, The logic in 2-3 is almost as messed up as 4-3.
I don't know, maybe money brought the box down. I don't know if he can lift that box or not. It still doesn't explain why Moe didn't see it.
Something else bugs me also. According to Gumshoe, Practice broke up at around 10 pm. The Ringmaster was murdered at 10:15. The following events occured in that time:
Ben left with the stooge, I mean clown.
Moe was "about halfway from kneeling over for good."
Ben SOMEHOW managed to help Moe get to the lodge.
Ben went back near the tent where he saw the Ringmaster dressed as Max.
Russell got to the crate,(which SOMEHOW was lowered sometime in the fifteen minutes.) And was murdered.
How the hell was all this done in a span of 15 minutes. My main problem is Ben carring Moe. Methods aside, Ben would have about 10 minutes to help Moe get back to the lodge, then get back to in front of the tent to see Russel. And Ben would be tired from picking up moe. I don't think it was that far from the lodging house to the tent, but it's still unlikely this happened. Not to mention Money coming along to steal Trilo's Ring, but Most of that took place after Ben saw Russell. This is probably just an extention to my first question, but still...
Never said he carried him. Moe probably just leaned on Ben for support.
And 4-3's logic is waaaaaaay more messed up.
Yeah, I guess Moe may have leaned on Ben, though I can't picture Ben agreeing with that. but could all the above still of happened in 15 minutes. I'm not too sure about that.
And I said 2-3 logic may ALMOST as bad as 4-3. I never said 2-3's was worse. 4-3's was still the worser of the two. Though I admit it was probably a poor choice of words on my part. 2-3's logic is still messed up though.
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Bad Player wrote:
Which body is "that body" again?
I guess I should have posted more of the scene. Hang on, I'll look it up again.
Quote:
Iris:
W-Wait a moment!
Iris:
How can you...?
My sister...!
She's already dead!
Iris:
Wh-What kind of...?
Phoenix:
*OBJECTION!*
Phoenix:
...You of all people should
already understand.
After all...
Phoenix:
The blood of the Master of the
Kurain Channeling Technique
flows within that body.
Judge:
The Kurain Channeling
Technique...?
Now where have I heard that...
Phoenix:
...That's right. You're not
Dahlia Hawthorne herself.
Phoenix:
You're the spirit of Dahlia,
currently inhabiting the body
of a spirit medium!
W-Wait a moment!
Iris:
How can you...?
My sister...!
She's already dead!
Iris:
Wh-What kind of...?
Phoenix:
*OBJECTION!*
Phoenix:
...You of all people should
already understand.
After all...
Phoenix:
The blood of the Master of the
Kurain Channeling Technique
flows within that body.
Judge:
The Kurain Channeling
Technique...?
Now where have I heard that...
Phoenix:
...That's right. You're not
Dahlia Hawthorne herself.
Phoenix:
You're the spirit of Dahlia,
currently inhabiting the body
of a spirit medium!
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Anyway, he knew it wasn't Pearl channeling Dahlia, since he spoke with her in day 2 of the investigation. The only person left who could channel Dahlia would be Maya...
Either way, even if he didn't know it was specifically Maya (although who else could it be?) it would have to be a Fey, and so they would need to be related to Misty in some way, and in so in sone sense they would have the "blood of the Master".
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Bad Player wrote:
Ah... I still don't get it... It's still pretty ambiguous... And to think I just finished replaying 3-5 :S
Anyway, he knew it wasn't Pearl channeling Dahlia, since he spoke with her in day 2 of the investigation. The only person left who could channel Dahlia would be Maya...
Either way, even if he didn't know it was specifically Maya (although who else could it be?) it would have to be a Fey, and so they would need to be related to Misty in some way, and in so in sone sense they would have the "blood of the Master".
Anyway, he knew it wasn't Pearl channeling Dahlia, since he spoke with her in day 2 of the investigation. The only person left who could channel Dahlia would be Maya...
Either way, even if he didn't know it was specifically Maya (although who else could it be?) it would have to be a Fey, and so they would need to be related to Misty in some way, and in so in sone sense they would have the "blood of the Master".
Agreed. It seems to just be badly written, given the current title of Master.
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how is it possible that Phoenix chewed up and swallowed Dahlia's necklace? shouldn't he have cut up his mouth or something? 
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Ledundead wrote:
inu98756 wrote:
how is it possible that Phoenix chewed up and swallowed Dahlia's necklace? shouldn't he have cut up his mouth or something?
i don't think so. i mean it doesnt LOOK like it's made of plastic...
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Ledundead wrote:
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how is it possible that Phoenix chewed up and swallowed Dahlia's necklace? shouldn't he have cut up his mouth or something?
i don't think so. i mean it doesnt LOOK like it's made of plastic...
That's kinda the point. Would you rather have a pendant that looks like it's made out of plastic or gold? (Forget whatever it's actually made of; I'm talking about what it looks like)
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inu98756 wrote:
how is it possible that Phoenix chewed up and swallowed Dahlia's necklace? shouldn't he have cut up his mouth or something?
This could explain Terry's bleeding mouth.
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inu98756 wrote:
how is it possible that Phoenix chewed up and swallowed Dahlia's necklace? shouldn't he have cut up his mouth or something?
This could explain Terry's bleeding mouth.
Terry drank poison, and he coughed up blood because of the poison. He didn't eat the whole necklace.
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Spoiler: 3-1
From a medical standpoint Phoenix would be in a lot of pain and bleeding profusely from the mouthand the trial would have to be halted so that he could recieve medical attention.
Buuut since its a videogame and having another trial day tacked on would ruin the dramatic impact of 3-1, instead Phoenix appears to have gotten off scott free from it. Either that or Feenie has a mouth of steel. You decide.
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... Also, teeth CAN grind food finely... remember that Phoenix grabbed it, ran, and ate it... he MIGHT have had enough time to chew it to the point of it being "finely grinded"... Remember, the "container" was NOT big... Heck, for all we know, he could've cut his mouth and it just not show any "blood graphics"... For all we know, he was bleeding and his facemask caught most of the blood!...
... Just saying, there's more than just "He ate glass, why isn't he dead!?".
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Blood would seep through any facemask like that, unless there are layers of fabric or tissue in it, but that would make it unable to fly off his face if it was too heavy. But I agree he couldhave grinded the living hell out of it. Glass is made of sand, maybe Phoenix got it to that consistancy. Maybe he was just saying he swallowed it, but it was hidden in his cheek.
Hell maybe Phoenix didn't chew it up at all, bu I've forgotten the details of 3-1, so this may not be possible.
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Sugar glass holding poison?
Blood would seep through any facemask like that, unless there are layers of fabric or tissue in it, but that would make it unable to fly off his face if it was too heavy. But I agree he couldhave grinded the living hell out of it. Glass is made of sand, maybe Phoenix got it to that consistancy. Maybe he was just saying he swallowed it, but it was hidden in his cheek.
Hell maybe Phoenix didn't chew it up at all, bu I've forgotten the details of 3-1, so this may not be possible.
Blood would seep through any facemask like that, unless there are layers of fabric or tissue in it, but that would make it unable to fly off his face if it was too heavy. But I agree he couldhave grinded the living hell out of it. Glass is made of sand, maybe Phoenix got it to that consistancy. Maybe he was just saying he swallowed it, but it was hidden in his cheek.
Hell maybe Phoenix didn't chew it up at all, bu I've forgotten the details of 3-1, so this may not be possible.
He explicitly states he had to chew it due to its size. I think the bottle was soft plastic, he chewed that, and he bent the gold so it would fit. Either way, it's not like he was wearing an iron necklace, it could have been very malleable.
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ok gaiz. new cough up...i think.
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ok gaiz. new cough up...i think.
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Right so when Maya is shown a picture of her mother in turnabout goodbyes she can immediatly recognise Misty off the bat.
However in bridge to the turnabout when she's looking at the scroll of her mother she cant recognise her mother and the only way she knew who the picture was of was the symbol on the top.
Furthermore Maya goes on to say that she hadnt seen her mother in years but that isnt true because she seen a bloody picture of her two years ago! *sigh* silly Maya.
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