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OK, Tiger didn't know Elg was left handed. But didn't Elg have to get the cash from Tender Lender. Shouldn't Tiger or Viola noticed Elg using his left hand to pick up the cash. I doubt he sent the cash by mail. (it could get stolen) I guess he could of sent a check, but I'm sure Tiger wouldn't just send a check to some bozo without seeing him in person at least once.

...Are you seriously suggesting that everyone cares if someone is left or right handed? The unbelievably simple explanation is that he didn't notice.

Also, Glen is right handed. :haha:
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Spoiler: SPOILER ALERT!
In JFA, Phoenix Wright mentions that the Gourd Lake murder was the last case Edgeworth was involved in before leaving to some unknown foreign country. However, as we all know, Edgeworth was the prosecutor in the Bruce Goodman murder case, which was just after the Gourd Lake Murder. Clearly a contradiction.
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OK, Tiger didn't know Elg was left handed. But didn't Elg have to get the cash from Tender Lender. Shouldn't Tiger or Viola noticed Elg using his left hand to pick up the cash. I doubt he sent the cash by mail. (it could get stolen) I guess he could of sent a check, but I'm sure Tiger wouldn't just send a check to some bozo without seeing him in person at least once.

...Are you seriously suggesting that everyone cares if someone is left or right handed? The unbelievably simple explanation is that he didn't notice.

Also, Glen is right handed. :haha:


I was thinking of the contraction about the fake Elg picking up the coffee in the left hand when he was right handed. I thought he was left handed because of that. Was trying to tie that into what I said. Obvious I did a poor job of explaining and assuming and/or remembering. I'm glad you called me out.
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carmen510 wrote:
Spoiler: SPOILER ALERT!
In JFA, Phoenix Wright mentions that the Gourd Lake murder was the last case Edgeworth was involved in before leaving to some unknown foreign country. However, as we all know, Edgeworth was the prosecutor in the Bruce Goodman murder case, which was just after the Gourd Lake Murder. Clearly a contradiction.


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1-5 was a bonus case. it has no effect on the rest of the games. it was a filler, if you will. so then 1-4 was the last case Edgeworth was involved with.

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carmen510 wrote:
Spoiler: SPOILER ALERT!
In JFA, Phoenix Wright mentions that the Gourd Lake murder was the last case Edgeworth was involved in before leaving to some unknown foreign country. However, as we all know, Edgeworth was the prosecutor in the Bruce Goodman murder case, which was just after the Gourd Lake Murder. Clearly a contradiction.


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1-5 was a bonus case. it has no effect on the rest of the games. it was a filler, if you will. so then 1-4 was the last case Edgeworth was involved with.


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But in Apollo Justice, Ema is older and says that Phoenix Wright had "helped her" a long time ago, ie the 1-5 case. Also, the fingerprinting set you have to show her is also from 1-5. I hardly call this "no effect" on the other games.
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carmen510 wrote:
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carmen510 wrote:
Spoiler: SPOILER ALERT!
In JFA, Phoenix Wright mentions that the Gourd Lake murder was the last case Edgeworth was involved in before leaving to some unknown foreign country. However, as we all know, Edgeworth was the prosecutor in the Bruce Goodman murder case, which was just after the Gourd Lake Murder. Clearly a contradiction.


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1-5 was a bonus case. it has no effect on the rest of the games. it was a filler, if you will. so then 1-4 was the last case Edgeworth was involved with.


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But in Apollo Justice, Ema is older and says that Phoenix Wright had "helped her" a long time ago, ie the 1-5 case. Also, the fingerprinting set you have to show her is also from 1-5. I hardly call this "no effect" on the other games.


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yeah only the Apollo arc is affected by 1-5. the rest of the Phoenix arc is unaffected by 1-5.

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I really dont know if this belongs here or if its been posted already but please dont jump down my throat if it has... :larry:

In 2-4 Pearl says that she couldnt keep channeling Mia because a "Strong force" pulled her away.
Then in 3-5 pearl says that she couldnt channel Dahlia becuase someone else was alredy channeling her.
So then how come Maya could channel Mia in 2-4 if Pearl was already channeling?

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It's because Maya was all desparate and stuff, so her powers got really strong, meaning she could wrestle the spirit away from Pearl and prevent Pearl from getting it back.

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It's because Maya was all desparate and stuff, so her powers got really strong, meaning she could wrestle the spirit away from Pearl and prevent Pearl from getting it back.

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Alternatively, it could be because the spirit wished to leave. Mia knew someone was trying to channel her, and she assumed it was Maya, so she allowed it. They wouldn't teach this in the Kurain channeling school since you can't read a spirit's mind and this would be the first time it happened.

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I hate how this thread is so inactive. This is the first post in a week.

Spoiler: 3-5 (again!)
When you press Maya when she says the torches were lit and the body was gone, Phoenix states the following in 'thought text':

"The only one who would gain anything from that would be...
...the only person who was at the Inner Temple, Maya."

...What about Pearl? When I read this, I thought:

Are. You. Dumb. :grey:

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I hate how this thread is so inactive. This is the first post in a week.


Welllll the games are several years old now and there's only so many mistakes that could have been made in them. So it's not like the thread can go on forever. :eh?:
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...And how do you expect a 9-year old girl to light up torches that are about twice as tall as her, carry away and dead body and clear away a patch of snow?

Pearl wasn't exactly a suspect...

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...And how do you expect a 9-year old girl to light up torches that are about twice as tall as her, carry away and dead body and clear away a patch of snow?

Pearl wasn't exactly a suspect...

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But she was at the Inner Temple. And Phoenix wasn't thinking about who did all that, but who it would benifit. He thought it was Maya because she was the only one at the Inner Temple, but that is incorrect.

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Well, I guess it would benefit Pearl, but it was kinda impossible for Pearl to do that anyway so there wasn't really any point in considering her.
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Well, I guess it would benefit Pearl, but it was kinda impossible for Pearl to do that anyway so there wasn't really any point in considering her.

Unless Pearl was channeling someone who could. But I digress, it's not a cough-up at this point.
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I got one.

Spoiler: 4-4 flashback case
why wasn't Gumshoe wearing the new coat Maggey bought him at the end of T&T? It's not like he'd have the money to buy a new one just months after she spent money on him. Didn't she also say something about throwing his old coat out? :eh?:

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That's more of a writer's overlook than a cough up.
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I guess someone mentioned it already, but after playing JFA recently...

Spoiler: Case 2-2 // 3-5
Morgan told Phoenix that she used the Spirit Severing Technique (or something like that) to free Maya from Mimi's spirit. Well, as we all know she hadn't to, but I'm still wondering: If there is such technique, would it not have been easier in 3-5 if Misty had a look after Pearls and then free her from Dahlia's spirit instead of chanelling her herself? Pearls would have chanelled Dahlia so that her "world" would be fine, Dahlia would be instantly wiped back to the spirit's world and no harm done.

Okay, I know... why didn't they burn Morgan's letter in the first place anyway?
And Misty tried to look after Pearls (by asking her to read books with her).
And perhaps, Morgan just made that technique up, if so all wondering of mine would be quite unnecessary :redd:

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The Spirited Severing Technique is probably real. Morgan wouldn't risk talking about some phony technique, as then Maya or another spirit could call her out and then she'd have to explain, especially when she could just say, "I tried to subdue her by knocking her out."

Anyway,
1. Misty probably didn't think/know if she'd be able to find Pearl
2. Not burning the letter--or at least putting it back for Pearl to find--is the biggest cough-up in 3-5 that no one has an explanation for. Maybe Godot did it deep down to get his vengeance against Phoenix? I dunno...
3. And yeah, Mistry tried to look after Pearl by getting her to read the book so that Pearl would spend the night with her instead of doing Morgan's plan.

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2. Not burning the letter--or at least putting it back for Pearl to find--is the biggest cough-up in 3-5 that no one has an explanation for.

:objection:
I can explain it!
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Pearl is a delicate little girl who is always trying to live up to her mother's expectations. If she couldn't even find the plans which she was told were for the good of the Fey clan, who knows how depressed she would have been. Godot was protecting both Maya and Pearl. Of course, this means he needed another way to protect Maya. So he called on Misty.

Is this satisfactory?
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...Not really. Pearl would be sad, but I don't think she'd be depressed, and I don't think that little sadness really compares to what doing it would've prevented.
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By that point Pearl was riding a 2 hour train into the city to visit her mother in prison every month. She's young but I wouldn't call her delicate.

Even if Godot was that concerned with not hurting Pearl's feelings, there were a dozen other options open to him: talking to Maya, talking to the police, talking to Pearl himself, talking to Bikini--or instructing Misty to do the talking for him. If only Misty had revealed herself to Pearl and told her "Your mother asked me to take over the directions instead, now that I'm back" or something they might have avoided everything.

The only true explanation is that Godot *wanted* Maya to be in danger so that he could have the opportunity to save her, which he kind of admits to at the end of the case. So while it's still really odd, it's not really a contradiction.
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Woohoo, I think Croik got it! But I can think of another explanation, even if it isn't that plausible.

Spoiler: 3-5
Let's say Godot took the letter after finding and reading it. When Pearl goes to look for it and finds it's not there, she'd probably tell her mother, right? And maybe Morgan would have her go check again, but eventually she'd realize that someone else took it, right? So she'd probably just come up with a different plan or something... Oh, wait. That wouldn't work, because then Godot would be able to find out about those too.


Or... maybe this happened.

Spoiler: 3-5
Imagine your mom got murdered and the cause of death was loss of blood due to a stab wound, but the murder weapon was never found. Then one day you accidentally come across a bloody knife in your dad's sock drawer. Unless you want to tamper with the evidence, you wouldn't move the knife, right? You'd call the police and tell them what you found. I think maybe this is how Godot was thinking. Maybe in his mind it was easier to get Misty and Iris to help stop Pearl from chanelling Dahlia or, if that was impossible, stop Dahlia from killing Maya.


But I think Croik nailed it right on the head there.

Oh, and another thing. I don't know if this has been cleared up or not yet, but here goes nothing...

Spoiler: 1-2
Earlier in this thread, some people were wondering why there wasn't more blood in the screenshot of Mia's dead body. We could clearly see some blood on the front of her shirt, but not much. Someone suggested that she got hit low on the head, causing the blood to drip down her back or something of the sort. But maybe, judging from the way Redd White was holding The Thinker, that it hit her right smack on top of the head in one quick movement, and she probably died of internal bleeding or severe brain damage. (Well, that would've been one helluva bruise, huh?) According to the autopsy, she may have lived for a few moments after she was hit, so White stuck around until he was sure she was dead. It's pretty common knowledge that when people die they bleed out of their mouths, and it was with this blood that White wrote Maya's name on the back of the receipt.

But then, that doesn't really make sense either, because the detectives probably would have noticed and thought it odd that she wrote a message in blood but wasn't bleeding from her head.


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It's pretty common knowledge that when people die they bleed out of their mouths...


Err, really? I'm pretty sure that only happens if there's some kind of internal organ trauma (like to the lungs or stomach).
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It seems weird you can't see Psyche-Locks in the Courtroom, when you can see them everywhere else in your investigations.

And the court probably doesn't have any Psyche-Lock suppression power if you can channel spirits in court.
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Croik wrote:
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It's pretty common knowledge that when people die they bleed out of their mouths...


Err, really? I'm pretty sure that only happens if there's some kind of internal organ trauma (like to the lungs or stomach).


No, I learned about it in English one time. We read a short story about this kid who had a little brother who was sick and had a weak heart and stuff and at the end he died and was bleeding from his mouth, and then a girl in my class asked why he was bleeding from his mouth. My teacher said that when you die all your organs shut down and stuff, somehow causing you to bleed from the mouth... or something like that. But then again, I don't really know all the details, so I could be wrong.
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It's pretty common knowledge that when people die they bleed out of their mouths...


Err, really? I'm pretty sure that only happens if there's some kind of internal organ trauma (like to the lungs or stomach).


No, I learned about it in English one time. We read a short story about this kid who had a little brother who was sick and had a weak heart and stuff and at the end he died and was bleeding from his mouth, and then a girl in my class asked why he was bleeding from his mouth. My teacher said that when you die all your organs shut down and stuff, somehow causing you to bleed from the mouth... or something like that. But then again, I don't really know all the details, so I could be wrong.

no, i believe croik is right. when people die, their organs do shut down, but there's no reason why the blood should start coming out from the mouth. internal organ trauma is definitely needed, if not, this would make murder cases by poison very problematic. maybe the boy you read about had some sort of internal bleeding going on.

blood only comes out if something is damaged or there's some sort of cut. like when people die by hanging, the common mistake is that after being hanged, blood comes out of their mouths. in reality, no blood comes out unless they had a cut.
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Something bothered me, sorry if this appeared earlier.

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In 1-5 Gant summoned Edgeworth to the police station so that Gant could sneak Goodman's body into Edgeworth's trunk. How on earth did Gant manage to sneak a body of a detective through a police headquarters without raising suspicion?
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In 1-5 Gant summoned Edgeworth to the police station so that Gant could sneak Goodman's body into Edgeworth's trunk. How on earth did Gant manage to sneak a body of a detective through a police headquarters without raising suspicion?


The "official" excuse is taht most of the police were at the ceremony that day, so there wouldn't have been officers roaving the station. But it's kind of ridiculous anyway.
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Spoiler: 1-5
If Lana stuffed her muffler in the muffler, how come she was wearing it in the detention centre?

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If Lana stuffed her muffler in the muffler, how come she was wearing it in the detention centre?


She must have had multiple mufflers on her person. For some stupid reason.
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I'm a noob so you probably all know about this one, but...
Spoiler: 1-4
Yanni Yogi confessed his crimes saying "I've already done what I wanted to acheive" or something along those lines. He did it to kill Hammond and frame Edgeworth, but by confessing at the end, he took the blame away from Edgeworth, making the whole framing thing completely pointless, no?
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His main goal was probably just to kill Hammond; I don't think he really had anything against Edgey, but just being able to frame him like that so perfectly was a bonus. So he had achieved his main goal, to kill Hammond.
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His main goal was probably just to kill Hammond; I don't think he really had anything against Edgey, but just being able to frame him like that so perfectly was a bonus. So he had achieved his main goal, to kill Hammond.


The instructions he got from Karma included framing Edgeworth, and I think at the time he really did want to get revenge on Edgeworth, but by the time he confessed he realized it wasn't worth it. He wasn't at heart a bad person, after all.
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As I recently finished T&T (agaaaaain) I am wondering about two other things.
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Spoiler: 3-1 // 3-5
Iris explains in the end that it was her who was dating "Feenie". One of the reasons she mentioned was that due to the investigation after Diegos "death" Dahlia could not move freely. I think that would mean she wanted to stay in hiding, but if so: Why could Iris move freely, especially prentending to be Dahlia?! She had to be investigated as well, hadn't she?!


Spoiler: 3-5
Godot stabbed Dahlia (channeled by Misty) from the back with Misty's staff. That would mean the huge end of the staff with the crystal stuck out of her back. After being stabbed, how could she stand with her back to the lantern (near enough) to write Maya's name with her blood - so it must have been after the stabbing - on it (upside down) as she did? The staff's end would normally prevent her from leaning against the lantern.

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Everyone noticed the contradiction in JFA where everyone's acting like 1-5 never happened, but this isn't 1-5's only canon contradiction!
Spoiler: 3-1, 1-4
Phoenix said at the end of 3-1 he was studying to become a lawyer to "save a friend", which we know was Edgeworth, from himself once he heard about his 'Demon Prosecutor' reputation. However, according to 1-5, Edgey only got that reputation after he worked on SL-9, which was two years before 1-5. But 3-1 was three years before 1-5!

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Maybe Phoenix decided to save Edgey just when he heard he became a prosecutor? When he heard Edgey was a "demon prosecutor" then he could've been like, "Aaah, this is bad, I really gotta hurry."
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Maybe Phoenix decided to save Edgey just when he heard he became a prosecutor? When he heard Edgey was a "demon prosecutor" then he could've been like, "Aaah, this is bad, I really gotta hurry."


Yeah, I always thought that that was what happened. Actually, at one point in 1-4 when Phoenix is telling Maya and Larry about his relationship with Edgey he said: "I tried to get in touch with him I don't know how many times." Picturing little Feenie, a silly little college student with a sad, sickly lookig face and a pink sweater that his girlfriend made for him, writing a letter to that cold-as-ice, emotionally distressed prosecutor who lives to put "criminals" away with his perfect win record, who in turn may or may not have read it... I don't know, it just makes me laugh. xD
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Maybe Phoenix decided to save Edgey just when he heard he became a prosecutor? When he heard Edgey was a "demon prosecutor" then he could've been like, "Aaah, this is bad, I really gotta hurry."

Only problem; there's nothing wrong with being a prosecutor. A demon prosecutor on the other hand...

Furthermore, how would he know that he became a prosecutor? Was he stalking him? I think he was a bit too distracted with Dollie at the time.
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Bad Player wrote:
Maybe Phoenix decided to save Edgey just when he heard he became a prosecutor? When he heard Edgey was a "demon prosecutor" then he could've been like, "Aaah, this is bad, I really gotta hurry."

Only problem; there's nothing wrong with being a prosecutor. A demon prosecutor on the other hand...

Furthermore, how would he know that he became a prosecutor? Was he stalking him? I think he was a bit too distracted with Dollie at the time.

Uhm... Because he remembered that Edgey thought his father was a god and the whole purpose of his life was to become a defense attorney...?

Also, he could've found out about Edgeworth through newspapers? Not only did he become a prosecutor at a young age, but his first case was a pretty big one, so there definitely could've been something in the newspaper about it.
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