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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDesk Jockey Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:23 pm
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Athena wrote:
A few I've found:

Spoiler: 1-5
Name: The Non-Investigator
Type of cough-up: Incorrect profile information
Location: 1-5, early investigation
Description: During case 1-5, Gumshoe's profile in the court record says the same thing it always does: "Detective at the local precinct. In charge of the initial investigation." However, it remains this way even after you find out that Gumshoe was booted out of this particular investigation.

Name: Gant is a MASTER OF LOGIC
Type of cough-up: Logical errors by characters
Location: 1-5
Description: So, we know Gumshoe was kicked off the 1-5 investigation for his loyalty to Edgeworth, and that Jake, despite being a patrolman, was put in charge instead.

Now.

Gant knew that Jake was investigating SL-9 on his own time. Gant knew that Jake suspected him. So why would he put Jake specifically in charge of the investigation of a crime that was not only linked with SL-9, but that Gant himself comitted? I realized he may have been confident, but why go out of his way to take that risk?
The way I see it, Jake was probably 'fibbing' when he said he was in charge of the investigation: a patrolman would never be given that rank. Besides, if he were in charge of the investigation then Marshall would have testified about the evidence rather than Angel, who probably was the "investigator".
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Dr. Mancusio wrote:
Athena wrote:
A few I've found:

Spoiler: 1-5
Name: The Non-Investigator
Type of cough-up: Incorrect profile information
Location: 1-5, early investigation
Description: During case 1-5, Gumshoe's profile in the court record says the same thing it always does: "Detective at the local precinct. In charge of the initial investigation." However, it remains this way even after you find out that Gumshoe was booted out of this particular investigation.

Name: Gant is a MASTER OF LOGIC
Type of cough-up: Logical errors by characters
Location: 1-5
Description: So, we know Gumshoe was kicked off the 1-5 investigation for his loyalty to Edgeworth, and that Jake, despite being a patrolman, was put in charge instead.

Now.

Gant knew that Jake was investigating SL-9 on his own time. Gant knew that Jake suspected him. So why would he put Jake specifically in charge of the investigation of a crime that was not only linked with SL-9, but that Gant himself comitted? I realized he may have been confident, but why go out of his way to take that risk?
The way I see it, Jake was probably 'fibbing' when he said he was in charge of the investigation: a patrolman would never be given that rank. Besides, if he were in charge of the investigation then Marshall would have testified about the evidence rather than Angel, who probably was the "investigator".


I...never really considered that before, but now that you mention it you're probably right. Especially since in the second investigation phase Jake is back in his position at the evidence room's security station.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDesk Jockey Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:56 pm
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SilverZephyr wrote:
Dr. Mancusio wrote:
Athena wrote:
A few I've found:

Spoiler: 1-5
Name: The Non-Investigator
Type of cough-up: Incorrect profile information
Location: 1-5, early investigation
Description: During case 1-5, Gumshoe's profile in the court record says the same thing it always does: "Detective at the local precinct. In charge of the initial investigation." However, it remains this way even after you find out that Gumshoe was booted out of this particular investigation.

Name: Gant is a MASTER OF LOGIC
Type of cough-up: Logical errors by characters
Location: 1-5
Description: So, we know Gumshoe was kicked off the 1-5 investigation for his loyalty to Edgeworth, and that Jake, despite being a patrolman, was put in charge instead.

Now.

Gant knew that Jake was investigating SL-9 on his own time. Gant knew that Jake suspected him. So why would he put Jake specifically in charge of the investigation of a crime that was not only linked with SL-9, but that Gant himself comitted? I realized he may have been confident, but why go out of his way to take that risk?
The way I see it, Jake was probably 'fibbing' when he said he was in charge of the investigation: a patrolman would never be given that rank. Besides, if he were in charge of the investigation then Marshall would have testified about the evidence rather than Angel, who probably was the "investigator".


I...never really considered that before, but now that you mention it you're probably right. Especially since in the second investigation phase Jake is back in his position at the evidence room's security station.

I only thought of it during the second day in Court, myself. Didn't expect a cowboy to LIE to me. :payne:

To be fair, I didn't think of Engarde hearing anything from the conversation either. Made it feel rather confusing for me in the case there: I nearly backed down.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Ryuko wrote:
I don't know... they made up for the folding screen by saying that it was written in an ancient alphabet, maybe they'll do the same with Morgan's letter.


Y'know, I was actually thinking about that...

Spoiler: 3-5
Morgan's letter said to "show the head of the Fey family a splendid death", which Pearl misread as curry. So maybe in the english version they could say that Pearl knows how to read a little bit now, but still misreads things. And in Morgan's letter she could say something like "Give the head of the Fey family her just desserts" and since Pearl might noe be able to read/understand the expression clearly, eat ice cream with Misty or something. (They could say curry is ice cream if they're going with desserts.) Just a thought. ^^;


EDIT: Found new cough-up after posting. xD

Name: Stupid Magatama
Type of cough-up: Phoenix's trusty magatama fails him.
Location: 2-2, second investigation day.
Description:
Spoiler: 2-2
Ok. As soon as Pearls tells you that she found the key in the incinerator, you head over to the winding way. There you see Ini and get to talk with her. When you ask about 'What Happened' she tells you that she was "sleeping the whole time in the side room" and that she "knows nothing about the murder." And yet when you ask her about he traffic accident, the psyche-lock appears. We all know that Ini wasn't asleep the whole time, and she certianly knew a whole lot about the murder. Yet no psyche-locks appear with these huge lies, but they show up when she's hiding her accident. It would be a hell of a lot less trouble if the magatama worked PROPERLY and showed the locks there rather then going through the details of her accident.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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ultrasaint4121 wrote:
This is really rather long....
before you start to read it you may want to get some coffee....

Spoiler: 3-3
Name: Toranosuke Shibakuzous (aka Zenitoras) Poison
Type of cough-up: Slight Inconsistancy.
Description: Firstly, It was mentioned a while back... why did Zentiora have poison on him when he met Takao?
The user who mentioned it, suggested as a possible solution, that Toranosuke might have used it as a threat...
if so, why not just bring a gun or a knife? It would be harder to threaten Takao with a bottle of poison than with a gun or knife.
Why did he bring the poison? He shouldn't of needed it. Takao (or anyone) winning the lottery is very very unlikely.

Secondly....
Name: Toranosuke Shibakuzous 'Monetry issues'
Type of cough-up: Slight Inconsistancy.
Description: Zenitora is a loan shark. Why could he not just borrow from his own company to pay back Shikabane?
If you took Takaos 50 million yen lottery ticket, and given Shikabane some of the money from his buisness (which should at least have 50 million yen) you get the 100 million to pay back Shikabane.

Surely risking the death penalty is much worse than taking Takaos 50 million yen ticket and taking 50 million from your own company.

And also,
why did NO-ONE see Zenitoras red face...
when Zenitora was pretending to be Takao, why didn't Igarashi mention that Takao was red.
or looked like Zenitora.

And as for the trial itself...

*Btw, I have not actually played PW:TAT yet,
I am using Croiks case description section as reference.

Basically.
Zenitora leaves a lot of contradictions. :zenny:


Even though I was the one who broght this issue up, I can easily explain away your so-called "contradictions".

Spoiler: Why with the poison?
Look, guns and knives would be extremely impractical and hard to fake if push came to shove, which it probably wouldn't. Think about the circumstances. The two are sitting in a booth seat, by a window. Next time you're at a restraunt, try reaching under the the table and thrusting your arm at the person across from you and hitting something vital. It's hard to do. Therefore, he'd have to stab him over the table, in a highly conspicuous manner. Suppose a passer-by were to see this, in addition to Maggey. Her story would be corroborated, and Zenitora would be apprehended as the prime suspect. He could shoot him under the table, but the sound of a gunshot would alert any passers-by to the events transpiring. Ergo, the most practical means of murder would be poison, should he refuse. Furthermore, to threaten him would be a waste of time as he would have had little choice other than to pay up, under normal circumstances.


Spoiler: Finacial status
You don't seem to fully understand the concept of a loan buisness. Technicaly, the money Zenitora loans is his own, so there would be no point in giving himself his own money. Furthermore, even if he had enough to pay the bill, he wouldn't unless he had enough left to keep his loan buisness running. So, he had to result to drastic measures to get the money.


Spoiler: Supiciously tanned
Witnesses aren't supposed to know anything about the case, aside from what the already know, so Igarashi wouldn't know the difference. Maggey did say that she frequently watches Phoenix in court, although it's possible that she hadn't in a while, possibly due to a schedueling conflict. The Judge did see a difference but was too scared to do anything.


There you go.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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I don't know if this is true or not, but what the heck I'll ask.

Are defense attorney's like Phoenix allowed to snoop around like he does >.>
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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luxx wrote:
I don't know if this is true or not, but what the heck I'll ask.

Are defense attorney's like Phoenix allowed to snoop around like he does >.>


According to case 1-5, no.
"You know attorneys aren't supposed to examine crime scenes, right?"
News to me considering he's examined every single crime scene in every single case with no problems whatsoever :morgan:
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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SilverZephyr wrote:
luxx wrote:
I don't know if this is true or not, but what the heck I'll ask.

Are defense attorney's like Phoenix allowed to snoop around like he does >.>


According to case 1-5, no.
"You know attorneys aren't supposed to examine crime scenes, right?"
News to me considering he's examined every single crime scene in every single case with no problems whatsoever :morgan:

If he couldn't, where else would he get any sort of evidence or backup from?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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In real life, Defence attorneys don't have to produce evidence really.
Their clients are innocent until proven guilty. If they can find enough contradictions to ruin the prosecution's case, they win.
In PW, the client is guilty until proven innocent it would seem, so the Attorneys have to. Apart from that line, I think it is a given that they are allowed to. I think maybe the script writer had a lack of concentration that day.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Ultimate Prosecutor wrote:
In real life, Defence attorneys don't have to produce evidence really.
Their clients are innocent until proven guilty. If they can find enough contradictions to ruin the prosecution's case, they win.
In PW, the client is guilty until proven innocent it would seem, so the Attorneys have to. Apart from that line, I think it is a given that they are allowed to. I think maybe the script writer had a lack of concentration that day.

I don't think the defense should,
but they do,
otherwise AA would be boring, cos you'd only have court scenes.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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ultrasaint4121 wrote:
Ultimate Prosecutor wrote:
In real life, Defence attorneys don't have to produce evidence really.
Their clients are innocent until proven guilty. If they can find enough contradictions to ruin the prosecution's case, they win.
In PW, the client is guilty until proven innocent it would seem, so the Attorneys have to. Apart from that line, I think it is a given that they are allowed to. I think maybe the script writer had a lack of concentration that day.

I don't think the defense should,
but they do,
otherwise AA would be boring, cos you'd only have court scenes.


I think it goes like this:

Defense attorneys are not allowed to examine crime scenes - it was like this even before the new reformation for turning inocent untill proven otherwise into guilty untill proven otherwise. But because the defense attorney now has a much larger problem, and that they might uncover something that was overlooked, the police and prosecution are much more lax about the rule - unless they go Franzisko and abuse it.

But it is also used for the police to sustain clues that might otherwise be destroyed by a snooping lawyer:

1) In AA1 case 2, they send Phoenix out, so we don't know what they do.
2) In AA1 case 3, Gumshoe tells Phoenix not to touch anything until he is done investigating.
3) In AA1 case 4, Gumshoe only allows Phoenix to enter because he knows he won't do anything. A privalage to trusted people, of sorts.
4) In AA1 case 5, Gumshoe has to TELL Marshal that Phoenix is trustworthy before allowing him to investigate himself.

JFA

Spoiler: JFA
1) In JFA case 2, Phoenix isn't allowed to investigate until they are done - trusted or not. But he is allowed INSIDE. But I think this is because Phoenix, like AA case 2, is a witness as well as being the lawyer.
2) In JFA case 3, Phoenix only get's there after the Police have closed up. Gumshoe even shows you arround :P
3) In JFA case 4, Gumshoe let's you get inside the case because of Maya's kidnapping.



TaT

Spoiler: Tat
1) In TaT case 2, there isn't much of a crime scene, if I recall. I don't really recall what happens with the aftermath murder.
2) In TaT case 3, the little area is sealed off. It's a working resurant. Phoenix never enter's the police'd area.
3) In TaT case 5, Phoenix is cut off untill finished investigations - but he is a witness himself here as well.


So it really depends. They allow Phoenix in because he is trustworthy, but only after they finish up their initial securing of evidence.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Ultimate Prosecutor wrote:
In real life, Defence attorneys don't have to produce evidence really.
Their clients are innocent until proven guilty. If they can find enough contradictions to ruin the prosecution's case, they win.
In PW, the client is guilty until proven innocent it would seem, so the Attorneys have to. Apart from that line, I think it is a given that they are allowed to. I think maybe the script writer had a lack of concentration that day.


So if the prosecution lies and the defense attorney doesn't don't find it, you're screwed?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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luxx wrote:
Ultimate Prosecutor wrote:
In real life, Defence attorneys don't have to produce evidence really.
Their clients are innocent until proven guilty. If they can find enough contradictions to ruin the prosecution's case, they win.
In PW, the client is guilty until proven innocent it would seem, so the Attorneys have to. Apart from that line, I think it is a given that they are allowed to. I think maybe the script writer had a lack of concentration that day.


So if the prosecution lies and the defense attorney doesn't don't find it, you're screwed?


Except the defense get's all the material the prosecution gets. The judges get a copy of the court record, and anyone who get's inside info on the case does so too.

I've seen a RL court record for a serious charge, which is very similar to murder. It has lots of documents, image of the victim, and all the data that is nececery. The case cannot proceed unless Judge, Defense and Prosecution ALL have recieved the correct evidence at least a week beforehand. It isn't possible to submit evidence during trial. At least not here.

The EVIDENCE, per se, like murder weapon and what not, is presented in court for all to see. The prosecution doesn't 'lie'. He can't keep evidence for himself. He presents it, and the defense attorney corrects eventual mistakes... and afterwards presents HIS opinion of the case.

If the prosecution hides something, than he is basicly going Lana. But if the prosecutor has any connections to the case at hand (like, he might be related to the defendant), he will be bailed out and replaced. Same goes for the judge (and anyone else, basicly). So if he doesn't have any personal attachment, he won't have any reason to do anything. The only one who could have any reason to go extreme is the DEFENSE, really.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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exactly.

There are never any :ack: situations in real life over the actual evidence, just when it is produced.

@ Luxx: And if the prosecution Lies, and the Defense doesn't find it, yes, they are screwed - not because they lose the case, but because they are not good enough at their job to PRESS through statements to find those lies!
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Dr. Mancusio wrote:
The way I see it, Jake was probably 'fibbing' when he said he was in charge of the investigation: a patrolman would never be given that rank. Besides, if he were in charge of the investigation then Marshall would have testified about the evidence rather than Angel, who probably was the "investigator".


But Angel wasn't even employed by the police at that point - assigning a lunch lady to look after a crime scene makes even less sense than assigning Jake. Angel's getting fired is half the reason she was so pissed at the force and prosecutors anyway.

And if she *had* been in charge, why wouldn't she have just said so?

I think Gant put Jake in charge because even if Jake was investigating SL-9, he's also a drunk and a failure as a detective. Gant didn't have anything to worry about.
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One thing I notice on replaying 1-5: Phoenix never proves that Gant was the murderer. He proves it only for SL-9.
Was I the only one who noticed this?
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Well the real murderer entered with 7777777. This is proved by Phoenix.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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And Gant admits to stabbing Goodman.
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Yeah, that's the "kinda" decisive bit bout it.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Phantom Phoenix wrote:
And Gant admits to stabbing Goodman.


I know that, I just thought he didn't prove it.
So he needed to prove Gant guilty of SL-9 so they could reveal his ID?
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Slowly but surely. But the most important part of solving SL-9 was saving Ema from the blame that had shifted onto her.
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Didn't he figure out it was Gant's ID number because of the safe in his office? Or was it because of SL-9?
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You figure out his ID number because of the safe.

Gant is never actually PROVEN to have killed Goodman, but you more-or-less prove that the blood print was made when the person with his ID number went in there. Which doesn't automatically follow that the blood was Goodman's and the print was made when Gant killed him, but it's something. There's also the fact that Gant made Edgeworth take the screwdrive back. So while you don't PROVE it, there's enough circumstancial evidence combined with the fact that he had already been proven to have been a killer that his confession of 1-5 wasn't a large plothole the way Redd's was :nick:
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That all makes sense, but when Phoenix brings up the safe number, doesn't Gant comment on how that isn't enough to prove its his ID? I could be wrong, as I haven't played 1-5 in a while.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineProsecutor Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:38 pm
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I don't recall Gant saying anything of the sort. And while it IS still circumstancial evidence, it's a seven digit number. The odds are one in 4782969 that he just HAPPENED to have the same safe number as the ID number--so it's good enough as evidence, especially when you take Goodman's lost item report into account.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:41 pm
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Oh that's right. I must have confused it with something else. But doesn't Gant comment about it being an illegal search anyway? I completely forgot almost everything about that case.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:40 pm
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He does, to which Edgeworth argues that since Gumshoe was there it wasn't really an illegal search, and the judge grants it, giving Phoenix a warning to follow protocol in the future.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDesk Jockey Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:12 pm
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Kyarorain wrote:
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:edgy: This is my first post!

My big objection was that in the begining of case 5 of PW:AA the length of Edgey's Knife and the stab wound recorded in the victim's autopsy were very contrictory. I think the knife was 9 in. long and the wound was made by a knife 12 in. long.


That's because the wound was made with a DIFFERENT knife.


So is that picture of her stabbing Goodman wrong? I don't see how she could get the angle of the wound right at that speed. The coroner would have noticed I think.

And just to make sure I have this right, Gant stabbed him and later Lana took that knife out (she must have cut herself trying to get it out, it looks like it went through his sternum) and stabbed him again with Edgeworth's knife. She then hid Darke's knife in the exhaust pipe with her scarf. Yes?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:40 pm
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Yes, that's correct. As for Angel's picture, I had no idea how she could have stabbed him that fast and got the knife in at the right spot and angle.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:46 pm
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I think I can explain the issue with the wound:

Think back to after you reveal that the 'murder' in the Evidence room was a fake, talking to Jake outside the police department. While talking about Neil's murder, he tells you that one of the pieces of evidence that he noted was that the initial autopsy report suggested that there was a different murder weapon, yet the possibility of that disappeared between then and the final report which was submitted to the court.

This also coincides with another fact, Goodman can't have died at 5:15 he was dead by the time Gant stuffed him into Edgey's car boot (or trunk, I'm a Brit, so I say boot).

Finally, Angel seems to dramatise things a little, it's hard to get to the nitty-gritty of the matter.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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I'm a bit confused now. Are we talking about Neil or Goodman? A broken halberd obviously leaves a different wound than a small switch blade.

Now replacing a broken switch blade with a medium bowie knife... it might be easier to confuse the two, after all it's going from a small wound to a bigger one, but I still think the coroner should have been able to see a difference. It seems detailed autopsies aren't important in th PW world.

Angel definitely embellished her story. :gant:
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:04 pm
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I'm saying that the same thing has happened twice, the autopsy has been completely messed up!
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Oh I see. :phoenix:
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Name: half to work
Type of cough-up: incorrect wording
Location: JFA Case 4
Description: When Gumshoe turns up after the first day of trial, he decides to work for Phoenix at his law office, wording it as 'just half to work at your place' when he means 'have to work'
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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This was one I was thinking of sending in to the contradiction's page. It's nothing major, but I caught it the first time.

Name: De Killer's 'Client'
Type of cough-up: Everyone being out to lunch
Location: JFA Case 4
Description: When De Killer goes into detail about his client and why he is on the witness stand. He slips up and says "This is the first time one of my clients has been charged with murder." Although he claims Adrian is his client, if anyone was paying close attention, they could have nailed that statement, proving Matt to be his client.

Unless Nick and Edgeworth were playing dumb for Maya's sake.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:24 pm
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The whole point was to not prove Matt was de Killer's client until Maya was safe, the evidence arrived, or de Killer had broken his contract with Matt.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Not to mention Phoenix gets Adrian suspected of murder.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Name: Defense getting Prosecution Treatment.
Type of cough-up: Everyone treating a minor detail as a major contradictory discovery
Location: Ace Attorney Case Five: Rise From the Ashes.
Description: To continue the case from day two, you need to present a possibility that the murder occured earlier, because of a bloodstain on Gumshoe's locker that was obscured by The Ultimate Mascot The Blue Badger. Rather than argue that is a trifling detail that could be easily explained away, Edgy is forced to investigate this. Isn't this highly unlike the rest of PW where only a MAJOR Evidentary issue warrants the continuation of a trial. (IE: Major Testimony that the Prosecution relies on being HATE-FILLED, BUT DESERVING, LIES [Adrian Andrews, I cast my glare at you]) Edgy could have made quite an effective argument, as far as I can remember that could have cinched the whole thing up and got a guily verdict.

:phoenix: There's blood on that locker, but The Ultimate Mascot The Blue Badger was infront of the locker! Therefore, the blood has to be from BEFORE the "murder" we witnessed on this here tape. The muder occured here, but BEFORE 5:15!

:objection: :edgeworth: Mr. Wright. Do you remember who's locker the locker with the blood stain is?

:phoenix: Yes. It was Detective Gumshoe's. Why?

:edgeworth: Gumshoe. He is, as I am sure you are aware, a clumsy oaf. He probably opened the locker too hard, and smashed his nose. Giving him a severe nosebleed!

:objection: :object: There's no way a mere locker door could cause so much blood!

:objection: :edgeworth: Wrong. Those locker doors weigh at least 15 pounds. If I threw a bowling ball at your face, you'd have a bad enough nosebleed to fool an untrained observer of the blood puddle to think a murder occured!

:objection: :object: But...what about the gloved hand print?

:edgeworth: That day, Gumshoe was transfering evidence, as many others were. He, unlike most detectives wears gloves as to "not corrupt" the evidence, even though all those cases are closed. It is the Prosecution's belief that Gumshoe left that gloved palmprint there, holding his hand to the door and leaning on to to steady himself!

:objection: :object: But, all card numbers, save one, is accounted for! And Gumshoe is NOT a captain or higher rank!

:edgeworth: Gumshoe forgot his card earlier while working on The Ultimate Mascot that...plywood...thing. I let him it when I went to get the screwdriver.

:objection: :object: That...that doesn't make sense! There must be a logical flaw in there...

:judge: Mr. Wrigh. Do you have any evidence that can, without a doubt, wholly and conclusively disprove the theory?

:ack: (Gak! How can I prove that this theory couldn't have happpened?...I-I can't!) No...the defense has no evidence that can disprove this theory.

:judge: Very well. This court finds the defendant... :guilty:

There might be some evidence that renders this impossible, but it's 4:30 here, and I just saved on Case 1-2, and I don't wanna replay all of Case 1-5 to see if that theory is impossible, if it is, please don't get angry and flame me. Just calmy point it out.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineSuspect Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:28 pm
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...wouldn't someone know if Gumshoe had broken his nose?

Also, by case 1-5, Edgeworth has been established as not willing to forge evidence by, say, punching Gumshoe in the nose.
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