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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDesk Jockey Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:30 pm
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Spoiler: Response, spoiler for 3-5
If Pearl had never heard the bell, seeing that she wanted to carry out the mission her mother gave her (she even goes out in the snow at night to do it!), she would probably have channeled Dahlia anyway when she had think it was past 10. Also, if the bell hadn't rang, everyone would have know something was wrong, or else Bikini herself would have rang it assuming Dahlia forgot it, or whatever.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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In 1-4 Larry mistakes Maya for Phoenix's little sister. If they had been friends since grade school wouldn't Larry know that Phoenix was an only child?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:07 pm
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detsimba wrote:
In 1-4 Larry mistakes Maya for Phoenix's little sister. If they had been friends since grade school wouldn't Larry know that Phoenix was an only child?


Larry probably assumed that Nick had been hiding his cute sister from him. If Phoenix did have a sister, he probably wouldn't tell Larry about her. :gant:

Spoiler: GS3 Spoilers
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Kurain Channeling Blunders

In 2-2 it's said that an experienced Medium would be able to control the spirit IIRC, and since Misty is the master of Kurain I'd say she's pretty experienced, so why didn't she just kind of... prevent Dahlia from doing anything? The only explanation I can think of is that she's gotten rusty in her near-on 20 year absence... or that before she had a chance to do anything she was killed (but then why did she let her get that far?). (-rtsmarty)


My guess is that she got rusty, but didn't realize she was rusty. She probably expected to be able to control Dahlia (why else would she have channeled her without locking herself up) but then failed.

Quote:
Maya's Magical Knowledge

In 3-2, Maya tells Phoenix she's never even heard of a Psyche Lock, but by 3-5 she not only knows what they are, but is able to manifest trick locks. By her own admission she doesn't do any spirit training between 3-2 and 3-5, so at what point did she learn how to do that?


I got the impression that the trick locks were physical items, and thus not really falling under the category of "spiritual training." In fact, she may have known about the trick locks beforehand (old family secret?) and still not recognized the Psyche Locks. I don't think that people "create" them on the spot, they're probably kept in that cabinet, or something...
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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LuigiHann wrote:
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I got the impression that the trick locks were physical items, and thus not really falling under the category of "spiritual training." In fact, she may have known about the trick locks beforehand (old family secret?) and still not recognized the Psyche Locks. I don't think that people "create" them on the spot, they're probably kept in that cabinet, or something...


Spoiler:
If that were true, how was Maya able to put up a lock on the *outside* of the cave she locked herself in, with chains and everything?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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In case 5, Gumshoe says he spent 3 hours trying to put the broken jar back together.
Phoenix assembles the seven or so pieces he finds at the scene.
Gumshoe then says, "That part only took me five minutes! The trick is finishing it!"

So apparently, he put the pieces together and then tried to finish it for nearly three hours despite having no more pieces to put in.
Oh Gumshoe...
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineMedium-in-training Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:58 am
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He probably exaggerated. I'm guessing he spent about thirty minutes fitting each individual piece and didn't want to look stupid(er). He probably lied too about even getting that far since it's in pieces when Phoenix finally gets to it unless Gumshoe also managed to break the jar again after putting it together (which is actually pretty likely knowing him).
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Name: Oh, Atmey, you attention whore.
Type of cough-up: Character blatantly lying.
Location: 3-2, 3-5
Description:
Oh, Atmey, Atmey, Atmey. When telling about Godot, he not only makes it sound like he's an almighty prosecutor (when he hasn't even judged a case), he also:

Spoiler: 3-5
says that Edgeworth said that himself. However, when you talk to Gumshoe, he says that 'he never heard of him before'.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Spoiler: Trick Locks
I was under the assumption that Phoenix was the only one that could see the Psyche Locks. Trick Locks and Psyche Locks could look completely different as far as Maya knows; she should apparently have never seen a Psyche Lock.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:56 pm
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Heres another one. Quite spoilery.

Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Miles Edgeworth: Ace Nun
Type of cough-up: Accidental textbar issue.
Location: 3-5, first Edgeworth interview with Bikini.
Description:
Ask the third option 'Why leave?'. You will get the text 'as the head nun, it's my duty to stay with the acolyte at all times, see?' However, Bikini isn't the one saying this - Edgeworth is! Also, Bikini's sprite doesn't talk during the animation.

This is followed by Bikini saying 'Yes... that makes sence'.

No, it doesn't make sence! First of all, that first line is seriously titled to Bikini! How did they switch arround like that?!
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:23 pm
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I can't believe it! Another one so soon!

Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Miles Edgeworth: Ace Blackmailer...?
Type of cough-up: Plothole
Location: 3-5, second Edgeworth interview with Gumshoe
Description:
Sorry, but WTF? First, Edgeworth has no idea that he is going to be the defense attorney of Iris. THEN he magically has arranged the court to be staged - choosing his own judge and prosecutor. Why did he get to choice a prosecutor, and still not know who Godot is, let alone never hearing of him before? If he was 'out of the country', sure, but if he actively went in and arranged it, it has to have been after the hospital scene and before the first arrival at the detention center. But that means he must have known about Godot. Not only that, but how could he have known that Godot wasn't available and they were looking for a replacement?

That's just half of the problem though. How did he manage such a feat? Sure, if he appered as prosecutor he would have some power, but he's staying completely invisible. Pulling some strings? Like how? Like Redd White? Sorry, but I can't imagine Edgeworth doing that.


edit: aaand another one.

edit 2: explained in game. Removed.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:30 pm
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Not really an error but...

Spoiler: 3-5
Framing Iris?

According to Morgan's plan, Pearl would summon Dahlia, who would kill Maya, preferably in front of a witness so Iris would be framed for the crime. However, although the channelers body changes to look like that of the spirit, their hair colour and style stays the same. Not only is Pearl's hair a different colour from Iris's, it's also too short to copy Iris's hairstyle. (Remember she actually says in 2-2 that she wants to grow it out but Morgan won't let her.) If the plan had gone ahead, Pearl probably would have ended up being found guilty of murder.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:35 pm
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Phoenix Soul wrote:
Not really an error but...

Spoiler: 3-5
Framing Iris?

According to Morgan's plan, Pearl would summon Dahlia, who would kill Maya, preferably in front of a witness so Iris would be framed for the crime. However, although the channelers body changes to look like that of the spirit, their hair colour and style stays the same. Not only is Pearl's hair a different colour from Iris's, it's also too short to copy Iris's hairstyle. (Remember she actually says in 2-2 that she wants to grow it out but Morgan won't let her.) If the plan had gone ahead, Pearl probably would have ended up being found guilty of murder.


Hence the hood.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Mikker wrote:
Heres another one. Quite spoilery.

Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Miles Edgeworth: Ace Nun
Type of cough-up: Accidental textbar issue.
Location: 3-5, first Edgeworth interview with Bikini.
Description:
Ask the third option 'Why leave?'. You will get the text 'as the head nun, it's my duity to stay with the acolyte at all times, see?' However, Bikini isn't the one saying this - Edgeworth is! Also, Bikini's sprite doesn't talk during the animation.

Spoiler:
I posted same the issue in the "Argh! The typos!" thread. It's NOT a textbar issue, because Bikini responds to it with "Y-yes, that makes sense..." If that were a text bar issue, Bikini would be responding to her own words >___>
It IS Edgeworth's line, but the line simply got mixed up with Bikini's for some odd reason.

So the correct version should be like this:
Edgeworth: As the head nun, it's your duty to stay with the acolyte at all times, am I correct?
Bikini: Y-yes... That makes sense.

Capcom plz fix this before I draw fanart of nun Edgeworth >____<
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:36 pm
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Happiness Punch! wrote:
Mikker wrote:
Heres another one. Quite spoilery.

Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Miles Edgeworth: Ace Nun
Type of cough-up: Accidental textbar issue.
Location: 3-5, first Edgeworth interview with Bikini.
Description:
Ask the third option 'Why leave?'. You will get the text 'as the head nun, it's my duity to stay with the acolyte at all times, see?' However, Bikini isn't the one saying this - Edgeworth is! Also, Bikini's sprite doesn't talk during the animation.

Spoiler:
I posted same the issue in the "Argh! The typos!" thread. It's NOT a textbar issue, because Bikini responds to it with "Y-yes, that makes sense..." If that were a text bar issue, Bikini would be responding to her own words >___>
It IS Edgeworth's line, but the line simply got mixed up with Bikini's for some odd reason.

So the correct version should be like this:
Edgeworth: As the head nun, it's your duty to stay with the acolyte at all times, am I correct?
Bikini: Y-yes... That makes sense.

Capcom plz fix this before I draw fanart of nun Edgeworth >____<


Spoiler:
I think they just got them switched. Seems like it would make the most sense as:

Bikini: as the head nun, it's my duity to stay with the acolyte at all times, see?
Edgeworth: Y-yes... That makes sense.


Hmm?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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rtsmarty wrote:
Spoiler: Trick Locks
I was under the assumption that Phoenix was the only one that could see the Psyche Locks. Trick Locks and Psyche Locks could look completely different as far as Maya knows; she should apparently have never seen a Psyche Lock.


Spoiler:
I dunno, I mean, they look exactly the same and share a similar function. I find it really hard to believe that Maya wouldn't know anything about Psyche Locks (which Pearl knew at the age of 8), but knows how to apply Trick Locks, which can be set in over a hundred different ways.


Mikker wrote:
Spoiler:
Name: Miles Edgeworth: Ace Blackmailer...?
Type of cough-up: Plothole
Location: 3-5, second Edgeworth interview with Gumshoe
Description:
Sorry, but WTF? First, Edgeworth has no idea that he is going to be the defense attorney of Iris. THEN he magically has arranged the court to be staged - choosing his own judge and prosecutor. Why did he get to choice a prosecutor, and still not know who Godot is, let alone never hearing of him before? If he was 'out of the country', sure, but if he actively went in and arranged it, it has to have been after the hospital scene and before the first arrival at the detention center. But that means he must have known about Godot. Not only that, but how could he have known that Godot wasn't available and they were looking for a replacement?

That's just half of the problem though. How did he manage such a feat? Sure, if he appered as prosecutor he would have some power, but he's staying completely invisible. Pulling some strings? Like how? Like Redd White? Sorry, but I can't imagine Edgeworth doing that.


Yeah...that one doesn't make much sense, either.

Spoiler:
The whole point of Edgeworth arranging the court was so that no one would realize he was a Prosecutor. But it had to have been his influence AS a former prosecutor that allowed him to do the arranging. And then, even after he's been acting as the Defense Attorney, he jumps right back into the Proseuction's side of the investigation, and is even entrusted to escort Iris alone, even though THAT VERY DAY he was acting as her lawyer.

I love being able to play as Edgeworth, but he never should have gotten away with it.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:41 pm
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It's not unprecedented (retroactively speaking...)

Spoiler: in Rise from the Ashes...
Edgeworth prosecutes a case in which not only should he be a suspect (the body was found in his car, stabbed with his knife!) but he stands to gain a massive promotion by winning (I believe they did say that he had the opportunity to become the Chief Prosecutor, but he was already planning to resign... or something). That seemed to be all Gant's doing, so my guess is that whoever replaced him wasn't much better.


In any case, even if Edgeworth himself isn't corrupt, the system seems to be pretty heavily corrupted in his favor.

Spoiler: Also, more specifics on 3-5
I don't know how he was able to get the judge switched, but in the series it often seems like prosecutors are able to request to be placed on specific cases, so he probably just called Franziska and told her just enough about the case to make her want to do it.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Hello there. Long time lurker, first time poster. ut enough of that. On to my contribution.

Spoiler: Case 2-3
Name: Roses Are... Where?
Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
Location: Justice for All Case 3
Description: During Moe's cross examination, Phoenix is able to gain ground by asserting there was something wrong with what Moe saw that night. Moe had only seen Max's silk hat and cloak, but no roses. Phoenix uses this to his advantage... He shouldn't have been able to. From the look of things, what Moe saw was "Max's" back. Max's roses are on the front of his costume. So, unless Max, for whatever reason, was wearing his cloak backwards, Moe SHOULDN'T have been able to see roses.


Sorry if this has already been brought up and disproven. This has just been bugging me for a while.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Not sure if this counts as a cough-up or not:

2-1: Why frame Maggey?
Spoiler:
This is never brought up in the case AFAIK, I know Wellington probably did it "because she was there" and he didn't want to be found out, but all Wellington wanted was his phone back, and he likes the look of Maggey (he calls her a pretty defendant). But no one asks him why he actually made Dustin write Maggey's name. At the end Nick just says Wellington is a paranoid person.

It's a bit extreme!!
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Name: Edgeworth mixup
Type: Inconsistency
Location: JFA 3
Description: When you meet Franzitska when she comes out of Acro's room, They have a talk about Edgeworth. Phoenix says that Edgeworth didn't
take cases after PW:AA 1-4. Why was he in Rise form the Ashes then?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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LuigiHann wrote:
Here's one that occurred to me recently:

Spoiler: GS3-3
Don Tigre is ultimately caught on the assertion that he couldn't have known what the cyanide bottle looked like unless he had been the one to use it. But at that point in the trial, it had already been established that he was the "defense lawyer" in the previous trial, so he would have had easy access to that information...

Spoiler: 3-3
Technically, it never was established that Tigre was the one who impersonated Phoenix. He just barely slipped by on that one due to Godot. Before Godot stepped in, Phoenix was using the false attorney charge as a way of further implicating Tigre as the murderer. If Tigre had told the court that he knew the bottle from the last case, then he would have proven himself to be the phony attorney and gotten a guilty anyways.



gregarwolf wrote:
Name: Edgeworth mixup
Type: Inconsistency
Location: JFA 3
Description: When you meet Franzitska when she comes out of Acro's room, They have a talk about Edgeworth. Phoenix says that Edgeworth didn't
take cases after PW:AA 1-4. Why was he in Rise form the Ashes then?

That would be because 1-5 did not exist at the time JFA (then Gyakuten Saiban 2) was being written.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Biolizard28 wrote:
Hello there. Long time lurker, first time poster. ut enough of that. On to my contribution.

Spoiler: Case 2-3
Name: Roses Are... Where?
Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
Location: Justice for All Case 3
Description: During Moe's cross examination, Phoenix is able to gain ground by asserting there was something wrong with what Moe saw that night. Moe had only seen Max's silk hat and cloak, but no roses. Phoenix uses this to his advantage... He shouldn't have been able to. From the look of things, what Moe saw was "Max's" back. Max's roses are on the front of his costume. So, unless Max, for whatever reason, was wearing his cloak backwards, Moe SHOULDN'T have been able to see roses.


Sorry if this has already been brought up and disproven. This has just been bugging me for a while.


Spoiler: Case2-3
Max was wearing the cloak backwards. When the bust fell down and hit Russell, his cloak flew up and snagged on the front. Acro then proceded to pull the bust up and thus Moe's 'flying Max' theory.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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dansamol wrote:

Spoiler: Case2-3
Max was wearing the cloak backwards. When the bust fell down and hit Russell, his cloak flew up and snagged on the front. Acro then proceded to pull the bust up and thus Moe's 'flying Max' theory.


Spoiler: Case2-3
Maybe I should've re-worded my post. What I'm saying is that Phoenix was able to catch Moe on the fact that he didn't see Max's roses. But if Max was turned away from the window, Moe wouldn't have been able to see roses, so arguing that it wasn't Max would be pointless. He wouldn't have been able to see them even if "Max" was facing the window, but still...
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Biolizard28 wrote:
dansamol wrote:

Spoiler: Case2-3
Max was wearing the cloak backwards. When the bust fell down and hit Russell, his cloak flew up and snagged on the front. Acro then proceded to pull the bust up and thus Moe's 'flying Max' theory.


Spoiler: Case2-3
Maybe I should've re-worded my post. What I'm saying is that Phoenix was able to catch Moe on the fact that he didn't see Max's roses. But if Max was turned away from the window, Moe wouldn't have been able to see roses, so arguing that it wasn't Max would be pointless. He wouldn't have been able to see them even if "Max" was facing the window, but still...

Moe said he recognised Max's facial structure suggesting that he was actually facing him.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Gwiffen wrote:
Spoiler: 3-3
Technically, it never was established that Tigre was the one who impersonated Phoenix. He just barely slipped by on that one due to Godot. Before Godot stepped in, Phoenix was using the false attorney charge as a way of further implicating Tigre as the murderer. If Tigre had told the court that he knew the bottle from the last case, then he would have proven himself to be the phony attorney and gotten a guilty anyways.


Spoiler:
But impersonating a defense attorney doesn't make you guilty of murder. Contempt of court, maybe, or practicing without a liscence. But if Tigre said, "I just wanted to try it out! Looks like I suck at it," that still wouldn't prove he put poison in Glen's coffee.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Happiness Punch! wrote:
Mikker wrote:
Heres another one. Quite spoilery.

Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Miles Edgeworth: Ace Nun
Type of cough-up: Accidental textbar issue.
Location: 3-5, first Edgeworth interview with Bikini.
Description:
Ask the third option 'Why leave?'. You will get the text 'as the head nun, it's my duity to stay with the acolyte at all times, see?' However, Bikini isn't the one saying this - Edgeworth is! Also, Bikini's sprite doesn't talk during the animation.

Spoiler:
I posted same the issue in the "Argh! The typos!" thread. It's NOT a textbar issue, because Bikini responds to it with "Y-yes, that makes sense..." If that were a text bar issue, Bikini would be responding to her own words >___>
It IS Edgeworth's line, but the line simply got mixed up with Bikini's for some odd reason.

So the correct version should be like this:
Edgeworth: As the head nun, it's your duty to stay with the acolyte at all times, am I correct?
Bikini: Y-yes... That makes sense.

Capcom plz fix this before I draw fanart of nun Edgeworth >____<


Spoiler:
I think they just got them switched. Seems like it would make the most sense as:

Bikini: as the head nun, it's my duity to stay with the acolyte at all times, see?
Edgeworth: Y-yes... That makes sense.


Spoiler:
I think it really is Edgeworth's line, because he's asking Bikini why she left. So he's saying, "If you were supposed to stay there, why did you leave?" basically...
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineMedium-in-training Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:00 am
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Croik wrote:
Gwiffen wrote:
Spoiler: 3-3
Technically, it never was established that Tigre was the one who impersonated Phoenix. He just barely slipped by on that one due to Godot. Before Godot stepped in, Phoenix was using the false attorney charge as a way of further implicating Tigre as the murderer. If Tigre had told the court that he knew the bottle from the last case, then he would have proven himself to be the phony attorney and gotten a guilty anyways.


Spoiler:
But impersonating a defense attorney doesn't make you guilty of murder. Contempt of court, maybe, or practicing without a liscence. But if Tigre said, "I just wanted to try it out! Looks like I suck at it," that still wouldn't prove he put poison in Glen's coffee.

Spoiler:
No, no. I mean, at that point in the trial, Phoenix nearly had Tigre. He was going to drive in the final nail by saying that Tigre took the extra measures in seeing the murder to the end by impersonating Phoenix. If he had finally proven that Tigre was the false attorney, then I'm certain that the judge would have handed down his verdict. It's not the act itself that implicates murder, but the entire culmination of all of the points Phoenix was building up.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Gwiffen wrote:
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No, no. I mean, at that point in the trial, Phoenix nearly had Tigre. He was going to drive in the final nail by saying that Tigre took the extra measures in seeing the murder to the end by impersonating Phoenix. If he had finally proven that Tigre was the false attorney, then I'm certain that the judge would have handed down his verdict. It's not the act itself that implicates murder, but the entire culmination of all of the points Phoenix was building up.


Spoiler:
The verdict for Maggey, yes. Tigre's own trial wouldn't have taken place until later. If at that point he had confessed to the imitation but not the murder, the prosecutors still wouldn't have a leg to stand on, in terms of evidence.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Edgeworth forgetful?

Spoiler: GS3
At the end of Part 1 of the Investigation when you talk about Godot Atemy will say that Godot is Phoenix's rival. Maya mentions it's Edgeworth which leads to Atmey saying it was Miles Edgeworth who described Godot. I'll dig up the quote tonight since I can't quite remember what was said.

Now during Case 5 when you get to play as Edgeworth, when you talk to Gumshoe, Edgeworth has no idea who Godot is and admits he has no idea or never heard of this guy but according to Atmey, he should have known who Godot was.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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RadioShadow wrote:
Edgeworth forgetful?

Spoiler: GS3
At the end of Part 1 of the Investigation when you talk about Godot Atemy will say that Godot is Phoenix's rival. Maya mentions it's Edgeworth which leads to Atmey saying it was Miles Edgeworth who described Godot. I'll dig up the quote tonight since I can't quite remember what was said.

Now during Case 5 when you get to play as Edgeworth, when you talk to Gumshoe, Edgeworth has no idea who Godot is and admits he has no idea or never heard of this guy but according to Atmey, he should have known who Godot was.


I think Atmey was just telling a lie.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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This isn't really a cough up, but it was something I noticed about case 2-2 that gave away what really happened far too early

Spoiler: Case 2-2
What I thought was weird the whole time is that in the opening scene, you see a dark haired girl sitting outside the burning car. If you were sharp you could have come to the conclusion right away that Mimi was the one that survived and the red headed Ini (the one we never got to really meet) was the one that died. I mean, they keep saying Mimi died in that crash, but the survivor had dark hair. Did anyone notice this? I was confused by it until I figured out the awesome and shocking truth then it made sense.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Spoiler: JFA
Name: Let Me Present My Evidence! (j/kj/k)
Type of cough-up: Court Inconsistency, sort of.
Location: Case 2-4, Cross-Examining Powers for the Second Time, I believe.
Description: This just sort of stuck out to me... When you're cross-examining Will Powers about the Suspicious Bellboy he saw Engarde talking to on the night of the murder, Edgeworth boldy (and accurately) claims that the Bellboy was actually Shelly de Killer, receiving payment for his deeds. To this statement, the Judge seems awfully shocked! He even remarks, "Mr. Edgeworth! Do you have any evidence to support your theory?"

Edgeworth replies, quite smugly, "Of course, Your Honor. I would never make such an accusation without the evidence to prove it." This is where the problem occurs, for Edgeworth does not present any evidence whatsoever. He simply restates his theory "The Bellboy with the stitches was Shelly, he killed Juan, then he went to see Matt to prove he did it by giving him the bear, blah blah blah." There is no evidence presented. None.

The Judge, however, accepts this as if he had dumped the Court Record on him. This isn't too unusual for our Udgey, seeing as how he favors the Prosecution and all, but Phoenix makes no objections either. In fact, he doesn't even notice this-- he even seems to be discouraged by Edgeworth's "masterful evidence trickery," so to say. Mia is the same way, too.

My question is simply, What evidence did Edgeworth present to the court? Later on in the case he gets busted for lack of evidence (the suicide note forgery and all), but here he simply slides by. It just struck me as rather odd.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:46 am
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BigKevinm84 wrote:
This isn't really a cough up, but it was something I noticed about case 2-2 that gave away what really happened far too early

Spoiler: Case 2-2
What I thought was weird the whole time is that in the opening scene, you see a dark haired girl sitting outside the burning car. If you were sharp you could have come to the conclusion right away that Mimi was the one that survived and the red headed Ini (the one we never got to really meet) was the one that died. I mean, they keep saying Mimi died in that crash, but the survivor had dark hair. Did anyone notice this? I was confused by it until I figured out the awesome and shocking truth then it made sense.

Spoiler: AA case 1
Well, you can see in the intro to case 1-1 that the real killer is :sawit: , but nobody thinks that way before Nick accuses him. The reason: only players can see the intros, not the characters in game.

Another example (hc spoiler):
Spoiler: T&T case 3
In case 3-3, it can be seen in the intro, that Furio Tigre is the right killer, but still nobody suspects him for the murder before a certain point.


Sh1n1 ZE FIER wrote:
Spoiler: JFA
Description: This just sort of stuck out to me... When you're cross-examining Will Powers about the Suspicious Bellboy he saw Engarde talking to on the night of the murder, Edgeworth boldy (and accurately) claims that the Bellboy was actually Shelly de Killer, receiving payment for his deeds. To this statement, the Judge seems awfully shocked! He even remarks, "Mr. Edgeworth! Do you have any evidence to support your theory?"

Edgeworth replies, quite smugly, "Of course, Your Honor. I would never make such an accusation without the evidence to prove it." This is where the problem occurs, for Edgeworth does not present any evidence whatsoever. He simply restates his theory "The Bellboy with the stitches was Shelly, he killed Juan, then he went to see Matt to prove he did it by giving him the bear, blah blah blah." There is no evidence presented. None.

The Judge, however, accepts this as if he had dumped the Court Record on him. This isn't too unusual for our Udgey, seeing as how he favors the Prosecution and all, but Phoenix makes no objections either. In fact, he doesn't even notice this-- he even seems to be discouraged by Edgeworth's "masterful evidence trickery," so to say. Mia is the same way, too.

My question is simply, What evidence did Edgeworth present to the court? Later on in the case he gets busted for lack of evidence (the suicide note forgery and all), but here he simply slides by. It just struck me as rather odd.

Spoiler:
Well, we all know how forgetful the judge can be. And how naïve he is towards the prosecution. I don't really know why Nick didn't do anything about it though.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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Something that bugs me, might not be a cough-up per se:

Spoiler: 3-5
The thing you pick up in the garden, the locket, is named 'Kurain Master's Talisman'. This very much SPOILS how you're supposed to break Bikini's testimony! It should just have said locket untill after the psyce lock breaks!
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OfflineDecisive Witness Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:45 pm
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I was playing throught 3-2 today and discovered a few... plotholes. Not inconsistencies, or cough ups, just grey areas.

Spoiler: 3-2
I don't recall a murder weapon ever being found. CR case descriptions state it was a statuette but I don't recall that at all personally.

Why did Atmey put up such a fight in the inital trial? Giving himself up would've been suspicious but some of the contradictions are easily overlooked. Hell he almost got off, and would have gotten off if it weren't for Desirée doing something that nobody could have anticipated.

Was the Shichishito just a red herring? "He bent it to make it look like he was attacked!" seems a little lame of an explanation if you ask me.

How did Atmey get into the CEOs office anyway? He gave the card key to Ron.

What happened to Ron's brooch? It apparently got caught in the safe but I don't recall it ever being found. I'm going to assume that the one at Lordly Tailor is the one from Ron's old costume that Atmey took, since there's no way for Ron's one to get to Lordly Tailor.

Are the values of the stolen objects from Bullard's binder ever explained? I really don't remember. All I remember is that people said they were awfully low, even for black market prices. Thinking about it I don't recall this having any particular significance to the case at all.
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rtsmarty wrote:
I was playing throught 3-2 today and discovered a few... plotholes. Not inconsistencies, or cough ups, just grey areas.

Spoiler: 3-2
I don't recall a murder weapon ever being found. CR case descriptions state it was a statuette but I don't recall that at all personally.

Why did Atmey put up such a fight in the inital trial? Giving himself up would've been suspicious but some of the contradictions are easily overlooked. Hell he almost got off, and would have gotten off if it weren't for Desirée doing something that nobody could have anticipated.

Was the Shichishito just a red herring? "He bent it to make it look like he was attacked!" seems a little lame of an explanation if you ask me.

How did Atmey get into the CEOs office anyway? He gave the card key to Ron.

What happened to Ron's brooch? It apparently got caught in the safe but I don't recall it ever being found. I'm going to assume that the one at Lordly Tailor is the one from Ron's old costume that Atmey took, since there's no way for Ron's one to get to Lordly Tailor.

Are the values of the stolen objects from Bullard's binder ever explained? I really don't remember. All I remember is that people said they were awfully low, even for black market prices. Thinking about it I don't recall this having any particular significance to the case at all.



Spoiler:
What exactly did Desiree do?
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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rtsmarty wrote:
I was playing throught 3-2 today and discovered a few... plotholes. Not inconsistencies, or cough ups, just grey areas.

Spoiler: 3-2
Why did Atmey put up such a fight in the inital trial?


I'm pretty sure his initial plan was to use his stakeout as an alibi. Ideally, he wouldn't be arrested for anything.
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Name: Maya back from the grave?
Type of cough-up: Plot hole
Location: JFA 2-2
Spoiler:
Okay so i just got done with 2-2, and i noticed a huge plot hole.
When Phoenix and Mia are summarizing the case during the trial, They say that Ini after drugging Maya, put her in the clothing box and then after she stabbed Dr.Grey, He took his shot and he missed which is where the plot hole lies. The bullet pierces the dress, go's through the folding screen, and then goes through the box. Knowing that, the bullet either would have hit Maya in the foot, or hit her in the head and killed her! so how did she not come out of there with a wound?
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rtsmarty wrote:
I was playing throught 3-2 today and discovered a few... plotholes. Not inconsistencies, or cough ups, just grey areas.

Spoiler: 3-2
I don't recall a murder weapon ever being found. CR case descriptions state it was a statuette but I don't recall that at all personally.

Why did Atmey put up such a fight in the inital trial? Giving himself up would've been suspicious but some of the contradictions are easily overlooked. Hell he almost got off, and would have gotten off if it weren't for Desirée doing something that nobody could have anticipated.

Was the Shichishito just a red herring? "He bent it to make it look like he was attacked!" seems a little lame of an explanation if you ask me.

How did Atmey get into the CEOs office anyway? He gave the card key to Ron.

What happened to Ron's brooch? It apparently got caught in the safe but I don't recall it ever being found. I'm going to assume that the one at Lordly Tailor is the one from Ron's old costume that Atmey took, since there's no way for Ron's one to get to Lordly Tailor.

Are the values of the stolen objects from Bullard's binder ever explained? I really don't remember. All I remember is that people said they were awfully low, even for black market prices. Thinking about it I don't recall this having any particular significance to the case at all.


Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure they say the murder weapon was "a statuette off his desk" (or at least, something that was on the desk) but no, it's never presented or proven.

After Atmey knocked Ron out and hit the buzzer, he could have easiliy torn the brooch off and taken it back with him to Lordly Tailor. He had to go back there to pretend to be unconscious, after all.

I don't remember if the numbers were ever specifically explained, but I always assumed (for whatever reason, I don't remember) that it was the amount of money Bullard had lost trying to protect each item.
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough UpsTopic%20Title
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St.Louis Rocker wrote:
Name: Maya back from the grave?
Type of cough-up: Plot hole
Location: JFA 2-2
Spoiler:
Okay so i just got done with 2-2, and i noticed a huge plot hole.
When Phoenix and Mia are summarizing the case during the trial, They say that Ini after drugging Maya, put her in the clothing box and then after she stabbed Dr.Grey, He took his shot and he missed which is where the plot hole lies. The bullet pierces the dress, go's through the folding screen, and then goes through the box. Knowing that, the bullet either would have hit Maya in the foot, or hit her in the head and killed her! so how did she not come out of there with a wound?

Fix your spoiler tags please.
Spoiler: Answer
There was old clothes in the box as far as I remember. So the bullet would have hit the clothes under Maya. Or then the bullet never hit the box.
I'm currently replaying that case, so I think I should remember it pretty well.
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