Still, thats not our concern, since we're primarily out to get our clients proved innocent. The real murderer confessing is just a bonus really. Not to mention the fact that things like this have happened before in AA, since a fair amount of the contradictions in court are actually mistakes by the witness. (:beef: 's bananas for instance).

When you think about it, there doesn't seem to be any penalty to accidently harming someone. Edgey demanded to be prosecuted for accidently killing his father. Accidental Murder = Murder but Accidentally shooting someone seems to be mitigated by circumstances. So it seems more like a quirk of their legal system rather than a contradiction

For a start, traces of pepper can stay in fabric for a long time, depending on how much you put in there. Even a fairly small amount could leave traces found a few months later. Also, Lions have a Much Better sense of smell than humans do. So, with a more sensitive nose, it makes sense that it would need less pepper to irritate it. Plus, Bat could have had a cold at the time. So it IS possible for Bat not to notice the pepper on the scarf, and for Leon to have sneezed.

When you think about it, who was it that takes responsibility for the summoning in the first place? If you commit a crime when drunk, then you get prosecuted for the crime because you were ultimately responsible for getting yourself drunk (Except in some special circumstances).

So whats to say the same thing didn't happen here? To dismiss the case because of the 'Ghost' doing it would have set a precident where Fake Mediums could do a crime, and then claim it was because they were posessed. Maya knew the risks of what she was going to do, so she is ultimately responsible for whatever the spirit did. Either that, or Morgan would be responsible because she's the de-facto leader until Maya took charge.

had Tigre answered, it would have lead to a guilty verdict for Maggey. That's not exactly the case. The reason Phoenix was in such a pinch is because he had run out of useable evidence. The judge agreed Tigre was probably the fake Phoenix, but was unwilling to testify, so "officially" Tigre wasn't the lawyer who got Maggey found guilty. If Tigre used his status as the false lawyer to explain why he knew what the bottle looked like, that would give Phoenix another line of questioning to pursue.

From there we have no idea how the trial would have turned out, but it wouldn't have been automatically "guilty".

Name: It's Maya.... CAN YOU GUESS WHO IT IS?! HUH? NO?! BUT I JUST TOLD YOU!
Type of cough-up: Suspense ruiner
Location: 3-5, Dahlia cross-examination
Description:
Okay, this is stupid. First, you say that Maya is 'in this very courtroom', and start talking about who channeled Dahlia. But... then you have to answer who channeled Dahlia?! But you just said it! Maya! WTF? And everyone acts like they forgot that Phoenix just stated that 5 seconds earlier!

Title: Roped in?

Case: Turnabout Big Top (JFA case 3).

Contradiction: When Phoenix is explaining how Acro killed the Ringmaster, he first says that he used a rope to lower the wooden box, then used the same rope to suspend the bust. How would Acro be able to release the box once it was lowered? He couldn't have gone to the scene and released it, nor could he have thrown it out of the window either, since not only would he have not been able to tell where the box would be located, but also, the bust was suspended DIRECTLY above it.

Another contradiction is related to the previous one as well: How exactly would Acro KNOW when someone would be squatted over the box? We already know he couldn't look out his window (even if he could, he would've seen that it was The Ringmaster, or maybe Max upon seeing the symbols) so he couldn't SEE the person coming, so how did he know when to release the bust?

In case 1-5, when you examine the numbers on the back of the attorney's badge, Phoenix says if he gives it away to anyone, he'd be caught right away. But in 3-5, he just gives it to Edgeworth!!

But still, even then, how would the numbers help anyone catch Edgeworth? Do they check the numbers on the badge? Or does the badge have a GPS tracker in it? Plus, if they DO check the number, or have a GPS tracker in the badge, then no one would be fooled by Zenorita's cardboard badge, since there would be no numbers on the back. I'm surprised such an obvious problem would arise like this, especially considering 1-5 was made right after GS3...

When Matt goes psycho on you, the guard's asleep. No joke.

Name: "Why can I hear someone else calling the police?"
Cough-up: evidence inconsistency
Case: 1-2
Description: At the beginning of case 1-2, when Phoenix goes to call the police, he can hear April May on the other side. However, he notes that the phone's screws are missing. I suppose one can argue that was when the wiretap was put in, but then what's it doing back in the hotel room? If it was removed before the police came, then Nick shouldn't have been able to hear April May. And there's no way either May or White could have snuck back to the scene to remove it after the police arrived to investigate, right?

-Phoenix
Right!
I'd better call the police!

-Phoenix
...?

-Phoenix
That's funny...

-Phoenix
A few of the screws on the
receiver are missing...

-Phoenix
It looks like someone was
halfway through taking
it apart.

-???
Police!?

-???
Please, come quick!

-Phoenix
(Wh-what was that!?)

-Phoenix
(Someone screaming from
outside the window!?)

About Ini/Mimi waiting 6 months to kill Dr. Grey. Someone else countered with

:object!: Because she's not as dumb as everyone thinks! Everyone would have suspected her if she was murdered right after she got out of the hospital, with the scandal that just happened!

or something similar to that. However, I think there's another explanation that they tell you right in the game for it.

Mimi never planned to kill Dr. Grey for those first six months. She wanted to throw her old life away, become Ini, and block out her memories of it.

But Dr. Grey just had to get that stupid confession from Mimi.

Hi there, I heard you are an expert in occult studies, do you know where I can find a reliable spirit medium?

:ini mimi: (....what the heck?) May I, like, ask you why you'd want to see one?

I need to get a confession from a nurse that died who used to work for me.

:ini mimi: (... I hate my life...)

For whatever reason, probably because of her new studies in the occult stuff, she believed in the power of spirit mediums and realized that as soon as he tried to call her from the dead, the jig would be up, and she'd be revealed for who she really was.

So she decided she had to kill Dr. Grey. It was the only way to prevent the world from finding out who she really was.

"The victim had the unfortunate luck of contacting the witness". I think that when it comes right down to it, it was simply bad luck that the person he asked was the sister, who according to HER, was studying the occult at the time.

Name: Magical Trilo
Cough-up: Plot hole (or something like that)
Case: 2-3
Description:
Max hid Trilo into the Ringmaster's Room, but still Trilo insists he was at the plaza during the crime. Max was arrested right away, so when did he hid Trilo? He couldn't have the time to hid him AFTER the murder.

The weirdest part is, you can't use this as an argument while cross-examining Trilo.

Max said that he hid the doll before he was taken away. I believe it's when you break his lock that he says that.

I'm not sure (as I stopped playing it when I got Phantom Hourglass), but I remember it was said that Max never left the Ringmaster's Room before he was arrested. And I personally think it would make more sense if Max had hid Trilo after he had attacked Ben with the bottle. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, it wouldn't be the FIRST time Nick was trying to trick people. He could have stated that Trilo was infact dollnapped at the moment and pray that Trilo's reception to that fact would have been good for Nick.

I don't see any reason why Max would have left the Ringmaster's Room because Russel said he would come back soon and Max really WANTED to ask Regina's hand. I think he might have taken Trilo earlier and then hid him during the time Russel was out. And that's the problem.

You don't see a reason why he would've left??? Our discussion is why!

He would've wanted to locate Trilo and shut Ben up.

Also, this IS a weak, but viable reason why he would've left the room as well: Maybe he was just bored of waiting?

Also, if I recall properly, he already asked the Ringmaster for Regina's hand, and according to Max's quote of what the Ringmaster said, he said "Sounds good to me!".

Well, that may be truth, but this thing still bugs me. I don't see Max having the time to first leave the Ringmaster's Room (which seems to be somewhat far away), then "fight" with Ben to get Trilo and third get back to the Ringmaster's Room while the murder was being made. Especially when he obviously waited for Russel to return (usually people waits about 5-15 minutes before they left to search the person).

Another thing regarding the same matter is the fact that when Ben/Trilo gave his testimony to the court, he said he saw ONLY Russel-Max and no-one else (except Money of course). I think he would have said he saw also Max if that was the case, because that would make people suspect him more.

They said that they only saw Russel/Max due to Max's "uppity" symbols. Now, if they said that they saw them both, here'd be the most simplistic wording of that:

"I saw that fraud going with the Ringmaster to the lodging house"

There are THREE things wrong with that:

1. Phoenix would comment on the fact that neither of them were carrying a box.

Here, Trilo would, after complaining about the uselessness of that detail, correct himself, stating that the Ringmaster would be carrying the box. Disaster averted for Trilo's argument.

2. Upon Trilo's continuation, he'd HAVE to also comment on Money's arrival, and that would mean that Phoenix would argue that while Ben and Trilo were gone, someone could've went there as well (as stated in-game as well).

However, Ben and Trilo were only gone for a small while, and hence, they could argue that it's also possible that NO ONE might've showed up still. Franziska would then, most likely, belittle Phoenix (and whip him, probably) as well as intimidate the Judge, who'd declare the statement valid.

The FINAL contradiction is a huge one, and one that was never even addressed during his original testimony!!!

3. Trilo would then get ret-hot, and probably state that the whole point is that he saw Max go to the scene with the Ringmaster...

Phoenix simply presents the crime photo: ONLY ONE SET OF FOOTPRINTS!!!

And upon that, Trilo would probably confess to what he truly saw, after a series of whippings and Trilo blowing up...ings.

(bows)


Anyways, onto Max's argument now: He might've waited for that while, but keep in mind that there's no official time for when the Ringmaster LEFT his room, hence, he could've been gone after a few minutes (although that argument is flimsy and debatable, it's not contradictory... yet), and Max might've even chosen to find Trilo INSTEAD of wait, since keep in mind, if Trilo wins Regina's heart, Max is, as he said, "screwed", and Max's proposal to the Ringmaster would've been meaningless, since Regina would be more interested in Trilo.

Also, how could ye know if there was a fight? Ben could've placed Trilo down for a moment (maybe to change his clothes, since he would've had problems with chasing Money, as well as Money attacking him would've stained his clothes, and the snow would've gotten on his pants (unless he fell, then more places) and he'd need to change to dryer pants in that case. During the moment when Ben would've placed Trilo down, Max could've taken Trilo and hidden him then, while Ben was occupied.

Anyways, that's my argument... again.

Max would have been able to obtain Trilo while Ben (and only Ben) was trying to get back the ring from Money. You need two fists to fight and not one and a puppet

You see, Ben never knew who was the one who stole the puppet, or at least, he and Trilo didn't give that impression. Ben could have accidentally dropped Trilo on the way while chasing Money to the Big Top or somewhere else.
It was never stated how long the fight took and how intense it was, just that it ruined part of the witness account Trilo set up. Ben saw "Max" passing by, true, but he never laid an eye on anything else because he was fighting with Money. And in the end, both Trilo and the ring disappeared.

Seeing Trilo lying on the ground, Max saw the opportunity and decided to hide it. I see him having the time just before he was getting arrested. He was simply bored after waiting so long he decided to go out for a bit, no? It's not like he was intending to look after Trilo, he just went out.
But yes, Max was the one who stated that he never left the Ringmaster's room, but he was lying. Why? If he told the police that he did left the Ringmaster's room, he'd get the guilty verdict right away. He was, in other words, protecting himself.

Yeah, and why did Max hide it? Max wanted to ask Regina's hand in marriage without any interruption, and he knew Trilo would serve as an obstacle for his proposal. So better now...or never.
And that puppet is so goddamn annoying, I'd definitely hide it if I saw it lying on the floor~~~

And also each statement one by one!



There was never a fight, only a chase. According to what I recall from the testimony given, Ben (and Trilo, who I'll discuss later on) had the ring stolen from then, and then chased Money in order to get it back. However, they were unsuccessful, since as Trilo put it, "That clumsy oaf let (Money) get away!" I remember this part, since nest you'd be getting a choice of what you want Phoenix to say, and one choice is right, the other says something like "Leave the court drama for video games" upon selecting it.



Alright, that one I'll agree with. If I recall, Max actually tells you that before he was arrested, he "swiped the puppet" from Ben. Since he didn't say "took", we could assume that Ben wouldn't have fought with Max over Trilo, since if he did, then yer claim is a lie (as would be Max's, and Ben's, in a sense).

[qoute="Happiness Punch!"]Ben could have accidentally dropped Trilo on the way while chasing Money to the Big Top or somewhere else.[/quote]

The big top wouldn't have been where Money went (although doesn't he go to the LODGING HOUSE, so Ben could've seen the crime?... ooo weee oooo), since Ben was navigating through the snow, and the Big Top is heated (Maya says that when you view Acro's window). Also, if he dropped Trilo.... isn't Trilo made of wood? Wouldn't there be a sign of water damage? Not to mention the fact that I don't think Ben would drop Trilo accidentally and not pick him back up, even for a pricey ring. Also, I wonder, and this is off topic, why Ben wouldn't just let Money take it and go straight to Acro's room? I mean, he's been working in the circus for... what was it again? 15, 20 years? He MUST'VE known of Money and Acro... right???



Aside from "on the ground", I agree entirely, since Max stated that he "swiped the puppet" while Phoenix is with him in the Detention Center. I think he even said that just before they took him away, he hid it.



I already argued this point, so if I try to state a contradiction, that'd be weird, and even if I ignored the strangeness, that DOES seem plausible... although I found THREE arguments that fit reasons why he would leave:

1. Boredom.
2. Revenge on Trilo.
3. (surprised no one said this) Disclosing the contents of the conversation with the Ringmaster... to REGINA!!!

The First one is the most baseless, as it also isn't a very good motive.
The SECOND one appeals to Max's violent behaviour, as already proven to exist via the Cafeteria Incident. He would look for Ben and Trilo, maybe to brag that the Ringmaster just said that he could marry Regina, or to stop them from trying to win Regina's heart? He would search for them, then possibly discover Ben, maybe drying off or recovering from his chase with Money, and see Trilo there, ripe for the picking, so to speak.
The THIRD one appeals more to his vanity and pride. He would be seeking Regina to tell her that her father just said that they could get married. And while searching for her... read the last lines of my second explanation. lol.



Well, maybe he was, as stated in my second explanation.



Firstly, he'd still go on trial, since he'd have to ADMIT he killed the Ringmaster before he would be instantly sentenced like that. (Otherwise Maya wouldn't have gotten a trial in case 2 of PW:AA).

Secondly, I agree, unless Max left the room at some point, he couldn't have hidden the doll, and therefore, would pretty much create a giant plot hole. However, maybe Max BELIEVED that if he said he left to the police, he'd instantly be given a sentence... though why he would lie to his LAWYER is beyond me. I'll agree though, on everything after the first sentence, if the line "He thought that" is inputted at the start of the second line.



I don't think he'd need any more of a reason behind his actions than "A doll was trying to marry my sweetie pie princess", but that's just me. Especially something like "You're annoying, so I'll hide you."

HOWEVER!!! I just remembered a line Max says that explains why he hid it. I think it was "If that doll started flapping off at the balsa, I'd be screwed." but I'll re-check.

I completely agree with the first series of lines you said though, without a doubt, since it ties into my third explanation for him leaving the Ringmaster's Room. Besides! If Ben convinces Regina, then Regina will convince the Ringmaster to... to be honest, "Exchange grooms".

Also, the first game establishes that the two of them met 17 years before the events of AA, when he and Larry were in 4th grade. The current game takes place 3 years after those events, thus it would have been 20 years. Phoenix's profile claims to be 26 years old and Larry's claims him to be 25, but that would make both of them (and Edgeworth for that matter) kindergarten aged at the time.

There is no doubt that there are several holes in the story of just what happened, and how dustin was killed, and we never hear maggey's side of the story on what happened. This was rather odd.... until I noticed something.

It's easy to forget, but when you start the trial, they talk about *yesterday's* preceedings, where the glasses for example were first discussed. Phoenix has no memory of this becaue of his meeting with Mr. fire hydrant, but it seems that somehow this case managed to get to it's SECOND day in the trial. How it managed to take that long we will never know, but it's entirely possible that Maggey had talked to Phoenix or testified to the court on what she was doing during the time Dustin was murdered. We don't hear it brought up because Phoenix got amnesia, and the rest of the court probably didn't need to hear again her side of the story.

I think that the holes we've managed to find in the case, or at least some anyways, can be explained by the fact that we came into the game during day 2 of the trial, when this information should have already been told to Phoenix.