I thought the same at first, but after the shock wore off, I'm not so sure anymore.



Oh, and I haven't added anything to the last topic because Mia's pretty much got my thoughts covered. It'd be a terribly awkward situation for a while, but I think they could get through it.

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I actually have a bunch of problems with the characterization in that story. One of those is certainly that I read the sisters' relationship as being purely familial, but the reading of relationships is very subjective so I won't harp on that point.



Anyway, that's just me.

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I did think Iris killing herself to join her sister in the afterlife seemed...raunchy(if that's the word). It's just that I can understand why Iris would do that: to make up for the time that she'd left Dahlia all alone to deal with the kidnapping herself, when Iris was supposed to cooperate. Unfortunately, she chickens out at the last minute. I guess she understands how betrayed Dahlia must have felt that way. Gives her another reason to commit suicide.

But...



Mia Fey and Franzise both prove with their arguments that that is indeed, a selfish act! And so unlike Iris! Afterall, the story's even implied her feeling useless and lonely, and this might have been the main reason why she would do away with her life, and that's crazy!

Even if she does feel that way, would she really end it by hanging herself, and hurting her loved ones? Don't think so. </two cents>

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Yeah I agree with Mia and Franzie didn't really like the characterization much.

And hopefully you get back to your fic soon Arti!

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Would Phoenix and Iris get a dog or cat? Nick seems like a dog person to me, but I think Rissy would be more into cats.

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..wow, this thread lives.. i'm glad there are people who love phoenix and iris as much as i do.XD

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Haha yeah, it's awesome I thought I would be one of the few at first -_-

Hopefully you can post more often here, since there's only like 4-5 active PxI fans that post often.

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Hm... I agree with you that Phoenix strikes me as a dog person although I'm not quite sure why considering the difficulties he had with Missile in 1-4. I'm not sure about Iris though. I sort of feel like she'd get along with either after adapting to them. I don't imagine that she'd have had too much experience with either growing up where she did (we certainly didn't see any animals running around the temple and animals would probably interfere with spiritual training), but I feel like she wouldn't have a big problem with either animal if introduced correctly. Of course, she might be slightly more intimidated by a dog at first particularly if it was a big one, but as long as the situation was controlled for her first meeting with the dog, I feel like she would get along with dogs as well as cats. So my answer is that they'd get both. After all, this gives two animals a good home and Trucy two animal playmates. ... I'm obviously rather indecisive today. :P

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I'm more thinking a cat for Phoenix and Iris actually. Shoe didn't seem to mind being round Phoenix and Miles when they visited/raided the apartment. Plus the difficulty with Missile in the first game sort of reinforces my point.

I don't disagree with you on the cat thing as I could definitely see both of them getting along really well with a cat. A kitty would fit easily into both of their lives and cats can be very affectionate which would work well for both of them. I just see Phoenix's personality meshing really well with a dog too for some reason. Perhaps because he can be so energetic and outgoing when he wants to be so I think his just having a cat might bore him a bit (No offense to kitty cats as I adore them, but cats do tend to be more laid back then most dogs in my experience). Besides searching dog breeds to find one that would best fit into their lives only takes a bit of extra work. And anyone would have a difficult time with an ill-trained dog like Missile and hot dogs. :P

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Double post, but a picture done by CR's own Kaiami who does absolutely incredible work.


Also, I was thinking. Apparently a pairing Wiki has been started up for GS pairings. Do we want to put something together as a group to post for this pairing? It seems like a lot of work for one person, but if we all contribute this could be a fun game as well as a good way to keep the thread going. Anyway, let me know and feel free to start contributing any ideas for what we should say in it. I'll check back later and add my own ideas if we decide to do this. And I'll be back even if we don't go through with this because I live in this thread. <_< If you want to see what I'm talking about, the page is here. A few have been done already, so we could use those as examples.

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Hmmm...do I smell some fanwork in progress?

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That's sounds cool.

Based off the Phoenix Maya page I can quickly typed up a rough article: feel free to edit or add to it as you will...




~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~

Brief Intro:
~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~ is the belief that Phoenix Wright and Maya Fey is a couple or friends. It's considered a Canon pairing since the two dated in the past. Certain events caused them to separate, and they didn't meet again until Case 5 of Trials and Tribulations.

History:
Iris initially dated Phoenix because Dahlia was planning to kill him in order to get back a certain necklace she gave to him as hidden evidence. Iris had to pose as Dahlia, and most fans assumed that she dyed her hair and wore an outfit given by Dahlia. After a while of Phoenix and Iris dating, Iris began to realize she developed feelings for Phoenix though what they did exactly in their relationship was never put into much detail.

One day, Dahlia got fed up of Iris since she hadn't gotten the necklace back and she realized she started to develop feelings for Phoenix. She proceded to go kill Phoenix without telling Iris. Unfortaneley for her, she killed Doug Stone her ex-boyfriend and though she tried to blame it on Phoenix, Mia Fey got Dahlia the death sentence and Phoenix a "Not Guilty" verdict. Phoenix was heartbroken that his "Dollie" betrayed him like that, but believed that the one in court was a "fake". Mia scoffed at this, and told Phoenix to get over her.

In Case 3-5, Phoenix sees someone resembling Dahlia in a book about Kurain Channeling (someone fix this, I forgot what it was called >_>). Maya, Pearl and Phoenix go to (whatever the place was called man I'm forgetting easy details >_>) in order for Maya to receive special channeling training from Bikini. When Phoenix and Iris meet, they become extremely awkward around each other. At night, when Phoenix and Iris meet again, Iris knows Phoenix's name somehow, and Phoenix asks her how. 5 Psyche-Locks appear.

When Phoenix falls in a river, to save Maya, Iris gets suspected of killing Elise Deauxnim. Phoenix asks Edgeworth to defend him. Iris tells Edgeworth she's too afraid to tell Phoenix the truth because of guilt. Edgeworth only defends her for a day only if she tells Phoenix the truth.

(To lazy to do all the details for 3-5, so someone can fill in if they want)

Iris gets a "Not Guilty" verdict for killing Elise, but admits herself as an accomplice. When the trail ends, she tells Phoenix all the details about their past relationship and how she knew him. She tells him of Dahlia's wanting to kill, her increased feelings for him, and how sorry and guilty she is. Phoenix forgives her by telling her she was the "Dollie" he's known all along and has always believed in her.

Phoenix is shown visiting her in the credits, but it is unknown how often he visits her.

In Apollo Justice Timeline
Although, never refrenceed in Apollo Justice, fans hope she will appear somewhere in Gyakuten Saiban 5.

Notable Supporters?
Maya Fey- (though she was teasing Phoenix)

Alternate Names
Feenris
PxI

Other notes
-Iris gave Phoenix the nickname "Feenie" and still uses it towards the end of 3-5, as a sign she still has feelings for him
-Phoenix called Iris "Dollie" when he presumed Iris was Dahlia.
-Despite being canon, Phoenix x Iris is no where near as popular as Phoenix/Maya >_>


That's the best I could do, feel free to edit my sucky article....

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That's actually a pretty good article, and more informational than any of the other articles on my pairing wiki. :P Good work.

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This is just me rambling in a form as close to a Wiki as I can manage. Feel free to edit and add to anything I write. I'm sure I'm missing things, but it's a try. Yes, it sucks. I'm aware and I'm sorry for it. I got the quotes I used off the scripts on CR's main page.

@ Superangelo- Excellent work. :) Since I put some effort into mine as well (we must have been writing at the same time <_<). I'll post mine and we can all pick and choose to merge them. Everybody should feel free to chime in with thoughts and ideas.



Phoenix/Iris is pairing which has been gaining popularity since the release of GS3/ Trials & Tribulations in the U.S. According to the canon story line, Phoenix and Iris dated in college while Iris was pretending to be her sister Dahlia for her sister's sake and they fell in love. The relationship stretched over six months and ended abruptly after a failed attempt by Dahlia to kill Phoenix. After Dahlia's intentions and crimes were discovered in court, Dahlia went to jail and Iris decided not to approach Phoenix again, afraid that bringing such a difficult situation up again would cause him more pain. They meet again in the final case of GS3 and, although the existence of a relationship is debatable, many continue to support the pairing based on elements from the games that appear to be continued signs of affection and love.

Other: Some people also note how well the two characters' personalities seem to fit together. Both characters put a great deal of faith in others, have a tendency towards being a bit naive (more obvious in Iris then in Phoenix, but can be clearly seen in both characters), and feel a great desire to protect those they care about.

Proof: As mentioned although the pairing is definitely past canon, most people consider the pairing non-canon post GS3. Many people do continue to ship it based on signs of mutual feelings.
- Phoenix has an incredible amount of faith in his "Dollie" to the point that five years later he still can't believe that she would have tried to kill him or committed all the crimes she is said to have done. Right after the first case in the game where we discover the truth about Dahlia, Phoenix insists that he thinks that woman on the stand is an imposter because his "Dollie" wouldn't act like Dahlia had done in court. The fourth case (which happens during the fifth case, but is played separately) opens with Phoenix looking over a case his mentor, Mia Fey, had tried years before which involved Dahlia's very first crime and still insists that he can't believe that the person in that file is the same woman he loved. When the truth about Iris is finally revealed, Phoenix's final words to Iris are "You really are the person I always thought you were. Even after Dahlia Hawthorne was found guilty... I still believed in you."

- As an old saying goes, the people who hurt us the most are the ones we love the most. Phoenix can't bring himself to let go after Dahlia's conviction despite the fact that the case seems to have resolved neatly with everything in place and even comments in how the things he finds the most unforgivable are poisoning and betrayal (clearly a reference to Dahlia's actions towards him). It is this inability to let go that bring about the fateful meeting that reunites Phoenix and Iris as he only agrees to go to Hazakura Temple after seeing a picture of Iris in a magazine article. Iris too was in a great deal of pain after Dahlia's trial. Not only had she lost him and her sister, but she felt so guilty for the pain that he had been through that she spends the next five years at Hazakura Temple repenting for having been a part of something that hurt him. After the truth comes out, the pain for both characters is relieved after all past wrongs are forgiven.

- Both characters show a great deal of concern for the other's well-being. Iris, worried for his safety in the beginning of the fifth case, Iris gives Phoenix her demon warding hood, giving up the spiritual protection it might offer so that it could protect him instead of her which is particularly important considering how heavily spiritual power is involved in the final case so it would have been an important item to have (It also a notable that at the end of the case Edgeworth comments that when he visited Phoenix in the hospital after falling of a burning bridge into a dangerous river, Phoenix had been wearing Iris's hood which means that he cared enough about it to have it with him at the time of his accident even though he had the opportunity to leave it in his room and that he took an extra effort to hold on to it after he fell as one would think that it would have gotten lost in the violent river had he not. His keeping it with him and wearing it also seems to show a remarkable amount of faith in Iris's words that the hood would protect him). Despite Phoenix's being unable to defend because of his accident, he is quick to send Edgeworth to Iris with his badge and the demon warding hood (which he seems to have cared for so much but was given up to be used as evidence in Iris's defense) with the hopes that he would defend her temporarily in Phoenix's place. It is notable that Iris's first question to Edgeworth is about Phoenix's condition instead of about her own situation. Only once she is reassured of Phoenix's safety is Iris willing to talk about anything else. Phoenix also checks himself out of the hospital early so that he could conduct the investigation for the second day and defend Iris, despite the fact that he is described as still being sick.

- Both are also so struck to see each other at their first meeting that neither is capable of speaking for several moments which prompts Maya to tease Phoenix about his reaction. While examining certain items at the Inner Temple Maya will say things like "... You've been in kind of a bad mood lately, haven't you, Nick? ...Zvarri! I know what it is! I-R-I-S." and "Oh? About Iris, I bet! Looks like you've been bitten by the love bug, Nick!"

- In the credits, we are also told that during one of his prison visits to see Iris (she is jailed temporarily for helping to cover up the murder of Misty Fey which occurred in a failed attempt to protect Maya Fey), Phoenix couldn't take his eyes off of Iris.

Other:
- Pearl Fey is Iris's half-sister. Years after Iris and her twin sister Dahlia were taken from their home by their father, their mother, Morgan Fey, had another daughter whom she named Pearl. This also makes Maya and Mia Fey Iris's cousins, born to Morgan's younger sister Misty.
- Iris's nickname for Phoenix in college was "Feenie." She also uses it when she reveals who she is to him.
- The pink sweater Phoenix wears in the first case was a gift made by Iris. The "P" on it stands for Phoenix.

Apollo Justice Timeline:
- Although Iris is not referenced in this game, the majority of the old characters do not get a direct reference. It is vaguely hinted that Phoenix keeps in touch with his old friends. Because the story is told from Apollo's point of view for the most part and Phoenix spends a good deal of time off-screen in which time he could contact his old friends without the player knowing that he had done so, it is believed that he is probably keeps in touch with all his old friends, Iris included particularly since we know he was visiting her after the end of GS3. it is hoped by many fans that Iris will make a return or at least be referenced in GS5.

Alternate Names:
Fans tend to refer to the pairing as either P/I which is derived from the first letter of both characters' names or Feenris which is a mixture of the beginning of Iris's nickname for Phoenix and the end of Iris's name.

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I forgot to say something. The wiki's editor has some problems with copying and pasting, you may want to press the two... keyboard buttons to post things. Unfortunately I forgot what those buttons are. >_>

That's also a very nice article planning, Mia. :)

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Wow I think mixing our articles would be cool.

You anaylze pairing reasons more... while I outlined the history more.

Though I think yours is better..

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@ Superangelo- I edited a bit of what you had to make things fit better. I hope you don't mind. Thanks for the help. :)

Everyone please let me know what you think and feel free to edit as you see fit. Seriously, input is good. I suck at proofing my own stuff.


~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~

Brief Intro:
~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~ is the belief that Phoenix Wright and Iris Hawthorne is a couple or friends. The pairing has been gaining popularity since the release of GS3/ Trials & Tribulations in the U.S. According to the canon story line, Phoenix and Iris dated in college while Iris was pretending to be her sister Dahlia for her sister's sake and they fell in love. The relationship stretched over six months and ended abruptly after a failed attempt by Dahlia to kill Phoenix. After Dahlia's intentions and crimes were discovered in court, Dahlia went to jail and Iris decided not to approach Phoenix again, afraid that bringing such a difficult situation up again would cause him more pain. They meet again in the final case of GS3 and, although the existence of a relationship is debatable, many continue to support the pairing based on elements from the games that appear to be continued signs of affection and love.

History:
After a chance meeting between Dahlia and Phoenix outside the courthouse, Dahlia uses Phoenix to hide an incriminating piece of evidence (a pendant that had contained poison used by Dahlia in the attempted murder of Diego Armando) by telling him it was a gift of love. To keep her sister from harming Phoenix in an attempt to get the evidence back, Iris disguised herself as her twin and they began to date. Most fans assume that she dyed her hair and wore an outfit given to her by Dahlia. During the six months that they dated, Iris came to realize she had developed strong feelings for Phoenix though those six months are never described in the game.

Finally deciding she could no longer wait for her sister and possibly because she knew of her sister's feelings for Phoenix, Dahlia decided she would poison him without Iris's knowledge. Unfortunately, after overhearing a conversation between Doug Swallow and Phoenix, Dahlia realized that Doug knew too much about her previous activities and decided that she had to kill him first. Though she tried to blame the crime on Phoenix, Mia Fey proved that Dahlia was the killer and Phoenix received a "Not Guilty" verdict. Phoenix was heartbroken that his "Dollie" betrayed him like that, but firmly believed that the one in court was a "fake". Mia scoffed at this, and told Phoenix to get over her. Although he agrees to move on, throughout the game it can be seen that he can never bring himself to let go of his faith in "Dollie."

In Case 3-5, Maya and Pearl are trying to convince Phoenix to go to a place called Hazakura Temple for spiritual training which Phoenix hold firmly against doing until he sees someone resembling Dahlia in a magazine called "Oh! Cult!". They go up there and Phoenix meets with Iris again. Iris recognizes Phoenix immediately although she is quick to hide it for fear that telling him would bring up painful memories best left forgotten and both characters are so shocked by meeting that neither is capable to speak for a period. At night, when Phoenix and Iris meet again, Iris knows Phoenix's last name somehow without his having told her, and when Phoenix asked her how she could know that 5 Psyche-Locks appear (these are mystical locks that only appear when a person is hiding something. They only appear to people holding a Magatama which has been charged with spiritual power. In Phoenix's case, the one he holds was charged by Pearl Fey).

That night things go very wrong as the mysterious visitor, Elise Deauxnim (who we later discover is actually Misty Fey) is murdered and Iris is arrested as the murderer. Although very ill after having fellen off Dusky Bridge in an attempt to get to Maya Fey, who had been alone training at the Inner Temple, Phoenix requests that Edgeworth take his place as Iris's defense until he can recover. When Phoenix falls in a river, to save Maya, Iris gets suspected of killing Elise Deauxnim. Phoenix asks Edgeworth to defend her until he can recover enough to take over himself.

The trial comes to it's conclusion and the truth is found that Elise (Misty) died from a disastrous attempt by herself, Godot, and Iris to stop a plan made by Morgan Fey (The mother of Pearl, Iris, and Dahlia as well as sister to Misty and aunt to Maya) and Dahlia to kill Maya. Although it's discovered that Godot was the murderer, it is found that Iris was guilty of tampering with the scene and goes to jail temporarily (the time is never specified but considering Adrian Andrews only received about six months for a similar crime in the second game, it is believed that Iris's sentence would be similar) for that crime. When the trial ends, Iris confesses everything to Phoenix. She tells him of Dahlia's wanting to kill him from the start, the feelings she had developed for him, and apologizes for everything. "I hope one day you can forgive me... Feenie." After hearing all this, Phoenix forgives her.

Phoenix is shown visiting her in the credits, but it is unknown how often he visits her.


Other: Some people also note how well the two characters' personalities seem to fit together. Both characters put a great deal of faith in others, have a tendency towards being a bit naive (more obvious in Iris then in Phoenix, but can be clearly seen in both characters), and feel a great desire to protect those they care about.

Proof: As mentioned although the pairing is definitely past canon, most people consider the pairing non-canon post GS3. Many people do continue to ship it based on signs of mutual feelings.
- Phoenix has an incredible amount of faith in his "Dollie" to the point that five years later he still can't believe that she would have tried to kill him or committed all the crimes she is said to have done. Right after the first case in the game where we discover the truth about Dahlia, Phoenix insists that he thinks that woman on the stand is an imposter because his "Dollie" wouldn't act like Dahlia had done in court. The fourth case (which happens during the fifth case, but is played separately) opens with Phoenix looking over a case his mentor, Mia Fey, had tried years before which involved Dahlia's very first crime and still insists that he can't believe that the person in that file is the same woman he loved. When the truth about Iris is finally revealed, Phoenix's final words to Iris are "You really are the person I always thought you were. Even after Dahlia Hawthorne was found guilty... I still believed in you."

- As an old saying goes, the people who hurt us the most are the ones we love the most. Phoenix can't bring himself to let go after Dahlia's conviction despite the fact that the case seems to have resolved neatly with everything in place and even comments in how the things he finds the most unforgivable are poisoning and betrayal (clearly a reference to Dahlia's actions towards him). It is this inability to let go that bring about the fateful meeting that reunites Phoenix and Iris as he only agrees to go to Hazakura Temple after seeing a picture of Iris in a magazine article. Iris too was in a great deal of pain after Dahlia's trial. Not only had she lost him and her sister, but she felt so guilty for the pain that he had been through that she spends the next five years at Hazakura Temple repenting for having been a part of something that hurt him. After the truth comes out, the pain for both characters is relieved after all past wrongs are forgiven.

- Both characters show a great deal of concern for the other's well-being. Iris, worried for his safety in the beginning of the fifth case, Iris gives Phoenix her demon warding hood, giving up the spiritual protection it might offer so that it could protect him instead of her which is particularly important considering how heavily spiritual power is involved in the final case so it would have been an important item to have (It also a notable that at the end of the case Edgeworth comments that when he visited Phoenix in the hospital after falling of a burning bridge into a dangerous river, Phoenix had been wearing Iris's hood which means that he cared enough about it to have it with him at the time of his accident even though he had the opportunity to leave it in his room and that he took an extra effort to hold on to it after he fell as one would think that it would have gotten lost in the violent river had he not. His keeping it with him and wearing it also seems to show a remarkable amount of faith in Iris's words that the hood would protect him). Despite Phoenix's being unable to defend because of his accident, he is quick to send Edgeworth to Iris with his attorney's badge, the demon warding hood (which he seems to have cared for so much but was given up to be used as evidence in Iris's defense), and the magatama (a spiritual item used to see psyche locks) with the hopes that he would defend her temporarily in Phoenix's place. It is notable that Iris's first question to Edgeworth is about Phoenix's condition instead of about her own situation. Only once she is reassured of Phoenix's safety is Iris willing to talk about anything else. Phoenix also checks himself out of the hospital early so that he could conduct the investigation for the second day and defend Iris, despite the fact that he is described as still being sick.

- Both are also so struck to see each other at their first meeting that neither is capable of speaking for several moments which prompts Maya to tease Phoenix about his reaction. While examining certain items at the Inner Temple Maya will say things like "... You've been in kind of a bad mood lately, haven't you, Nick? ...Zvarri! I know what it is! I-R-I-S." and "Oh? About Iris, I bet! Looks like you've been bitten by the love bug, Nick!"

- In the credits, we are also told that during one of his prison visits to see Iris, Phoenix couldn't take his eyes off of Iris.

Other:
- Pearl Fey is Iris's half-sister. Years after Iris and her twin sister Dahlia were taken from their home by their father, their mother, Morgan Fey, had another daughter whom she named Pearl. This also makes Maya and Mia Fey Iris's cousins, born to Morgan's younger sister Misty.
- Iris's nickname for Phoenix in college was "Feenie." She also uses it when she reveals who she is to him.
- The pink sweater Phoenix wears in the first case was a gift made by Iris. The "P" on it stands for Phoenix.
- Phoenix called Iris "Dollie" when he presumed Iris was Dahlia.

Apollo Justice Timeline:
- Although Iris is not referenced in this game, the majority of the old characters do not get a direct reference. It is vaguely hinted that Phoenix keeps in touch with his old friends. Because the story is told from Apollo's point of view for the most part and Phoenix spends a good deal of time off-screen in which time he could contact his old friends without the player knowing that he had done so, it is believed that he is probably keeps in touch with all his old friends, Iris included particularly since we know he was visiting her after the end of GS3. It is hoped by many fans that Iris will make a return or at least be referenced in GS5.

Notable Supporters?
Maya Fey (in game character)- She teases Phoenix about Iris after their first meeting, so it's hard to gauge how serious she was.

Alternate Names:
Fans tend to refer to the pairing as either P/I which is derived from the first letter of both characters' names or Feenris which is a mixture of the beginning of Iris's nickname for Phoenix and the end of Iris's name.

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Voila! We have the perfect article. I give it 10/10 :D

Hurry and putz it up!

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That night, things go very wrong as the mysterious visitor, Elise Deauxnim (who we later discover is actually Misty Fey), is murdered and Iris is arrested as the suspected killer. To make matters worse, Maya Fey, who had been training alone at the Inner Temple, was left isolated on the other side of Dusky Bridge after a stray thunderbolt burned and weakened the bridge. Phoenix attempted to cross the bridge to rescue her anyway, fell through into the Eagle River, and became terribly ill. Unable to leave his hospital bed in his condition, Phoenix asks Edgeworth to defend Iris until he can recover enough to take over himself.

Rewrote the fourth paragraph of History, it seemed to be worded a little strangely.

I'll try to check the rest for grammatical errors and such a bit later.

Alternate Names: NaruAya


Also, Iris should probably be just called that, not "Iris Hawthorne." You'd think that would be her last name, but the game never really specifies.

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True, but I just put Hawthrone becuase that's what the site depicts.

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I've been reading this thread for a little bit, and I'm very impressed with all of your arguments! ^_^ I've always liked this pairing, and it was Mia Fey's new avatar that got me thinking about it again--I saw it on Vicki's thread. Great article, by the way! You guys really know your stuff.

I think this pairing was the main reason that I was so depressed when I found out about Naruhobo. It felt so wrong that he wasn't with her! I like the ideas I read earlier that it may be because she's still in jail...

Besides not seeing Edgeworth in AJ, not seeing Iris was my 2nd biggest disappointment. All I can say is they better give us some more back story in the 5th game!!

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Edits have been made. Thanks Franzise! I also added a few things of my own. As for the whole last name thing, I'll see if I can alter the title to just Iris. If not, is Hawthorne acceptable? Anyway, I'm still looking for feedback (and a beta for this thing if anyone has the time). I won't attempt to post it until I get the go ahead from the people who actively post in this thread (Not to exclude the people who don't post regularly. You are all welcome to edit and add to this thing if you wish, but it would take forever if I had to track down everyone who had posted in this thread to get their approval). On a final note, does anyone have more experience with these Wiki things? I've figured out how to copy and paste this thing, but I'm not sure how to hook up all the links correctly. Any advice would be good or if someone wanted to post this when we're through with it, that would also be good. It doesn't matter who puts it up. Anyway, comments are still desired.


~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~

Brief Intro:
~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~ is the belief that Phoenix Wright and Iris Hawthorne is a couple or friends. The pairing has been gaining popularity since the release of GS3/ Trials & Tribulations in the U.S. According to the canon story line, Phoenix and Iris dated in college while Iris was pretending to be her sister Dahlia for her sister's sake and they fell in love. The relationship stretched over six months and ended abruptly after a failed attempt by Dahlia to kill Phoenix. After Dahlia's intentions and crimes were discovered in court, Dahlia went to jail and Iris decided not to approach Phoenix again, afraid that bringing such a difficult situation up again would cause him more pain. They meet again in the final case of GS3 and, although the existence of a relationship is debatable, many continue to support the pairing based on elements from the games that appear to be continued signs of affection and love.

History:
After a chance meeting between Dahlia and Phoenix outside the courthouse, Dahlia uses Phoenix to hide an incriminating piece of evidence (a pendant that had contained poison used by Dahlia in the attempted murder of Diego Armando) by telling him it was a gift of love. To keep her sister from harming Phoenix in an attempt to get the evidence back, Iris disguised herself as her twin and they began to date. Most fans assume that she dyed her hair and wore an outfit given to her by Dahlia. During the six months that they dated, Iris came to realize she had developed strong feelings for Phoenix though those six months are never described in the game.

Finally deciding she could no longer wait for her sister and possibly because she knew of her sister's feelings for Phoenix, Dahlia decided she would poison him without Iris's knowledge. Unfortunately, after overhearing a conversation between Doug Swallow and Phoenix, Dahlia realized that Doug knew too much about her previous activities and decided that she had to kill him first. Though she tried to blame the crime on Phoenix, Mia Fey proved that Dahlia was the killer and Phoenix received a "Not Guilty" verdict. Phoenix was heartbroken that his "Dollie" betrayed him like that, but firmly believed that the one in court was a "fake". Mia scoffed at this, and told Phoenix to get over her. Although he agrees to move on, throughout the game it can be seen that he can never bring himself to let go of his faith in "Dollie."

In Case 3-5, Maya and Pearl are trying to convince Phoenix to go to a place called Hazakura Temple for spiritual training which Phoenix hold firmly against doing until he sees someone resembling Dahlia in a magazine called "Oh! Cult!". They go up there and Phoenix meets with Iris again. Iris recognizes Phoenix immediately although she is quick to hide it for fear that telling him would bring up painful memories best left forgotten and both characters are so shocked by meeting that neither is capable to speak for a period. At night, when Phoenix and Iris meet again, Iris knows Phoenix's last name somehow without his having told her, and when Phoenix asked her how she could know that 5 Psyche-Locks appear (these are mystical locks that only appear when a person is hiding something. They only appear to people holding a Magatama which has been charged with spiritual power. In Phoenix's case, the one he holds was charged by Pearl Fey).

That night, things go very wrong as the mysterious visitor, Elise Deauxnim (who we later discover is actually Misty Fey), is murdered and Iris is arrested as the suspected killer. To make matters worse, Maya Fey, who had been training alone at the Inner Temple, was left isolated on the other side of Dusky Bridge after a stray thunderbolt burned and weakened the bridge. Phoenix attempted to cross the bridge to rescue her anyway, fell through into the Eagle River, and became terribly ill. Unable to leave his hospital bed in his condition, Phoenix asks Edgeworth to defend Iris until he can recover enough to take over himself.

The trial comes to it's conclusion and the truth is found that Elise (Misty) died from a disastrous attempt by herself, Godot, and Iris to stop a plan made by Morgan Fey (The mother of Pearl, Iris, and Dahlia as well as sister to Misty and aunt to Maya) and Dahlia to kill Maya. Although it's discovered that Godot was the murderer, it is found that Iris was guilty of tampering with the scene (also possibly obstruction of justice) and goes to jail temporarily (the time is never specified but considering Adrian Andrews only received about six months for a similar crime in the second game, it is believed by many that Iris's sentence would be similar to Adrian's) for that crime. When the trial ends, Iris confesses everything to Phoenix. She tells him of Dahlia's wanting to kill him from the start, the feelings she had developed for him, and apologizes for all that had happened. "I hope one day you can forgive me... Feenie." After hearing all this, Phoenix is quick to forgive her.

Phoenix is shown visiting her in the credits, but it is unknown how often he visits her.


Other: Some people also note how well the two characters' personalities seem to fit together. Both characters put a great deal of faith in others, have a tendency towards being a bit naive (more obvious in Iris then in Phoenix, but can be clearly seen in both characters), and feel a great desire to protect those they care about.

Proof: As mentioned although the pairing is definitely past canon, most people consider the pairing non-canon post GS3. Many people do continue to ship it based on signs of mutual feelings.
- Phoenix has an incredible amount of faith in his "Dollie" to the point that five years later he still can't believe that she would have tried to kill him or committed all the crimes she is said to have done. Right after the first case in the game where we discover the truth about Dahlia, Phoenix insists that he thinks that woman on the stand is an imposter because his "Dollie" wouldn't act like Dahlia had done in court. The fourth case (which happens during the fifth case, but is played separately) opens with Phoenix looking over a case his mentor, Mia Fey, had tried years before which involved Dahlia's very first crime and still insists that he can't believe that the person in that file is the same woman he loved. When the truth about Iris is finally revealed, Phoenix's final words to Iris are "You really are the person I always thought you were. Even after Dahlia Hawthorne was found guilty... I still believed in you."

- As an old saying goes, the people who hurt us the most are the ones we love the most. Phoenix can't bring himself to let go after Dahlia's conviction despite the fact that the case seems to have resolved neatly with everything in place and even comments in how the things he finds the most unforgivable are poisoning and betrayal (clearly a reference to Dahlia's actions towards him). It is this inability to let go that bring about the fateful meeting that reunites Phoenix and Iris as he only agrees to go to Hazakura Temple after seeing a picture of Iris in a magazine article. Iris too was in a great deal of pain after Dahlia's trial. Not only had she lost him and her sister, but she felt so guilty for the pain that he had been through that she spends the next five years at Hazakura Temple repenting for having been a part of something that hurt him. After the truth comes out, the pain for both characters is relieved after all past wrongs are forgiven.

- Both characters show a great deal of concern for the other's well-being. Iris, worried for his safety in the beginning of the fifth case, Iris gives Phoenix her demon warding hood, giving up the spiritual protection it might offer so that it could protect him instead of her which is particularly important considering how heavily spiritual power is involved in the final case so it would have been an important item to have (It also a notable that at the end of the case Edgeworth comments that when he visited Phoenix in the hospital after falling of a burning bridge into a dangerous river, Phoenix had been wearing Iris's hood which means that he cared enough about it to have it with him at the time of his accident even though he had the opportunity to leave it in his room and that he took an extra effort to hold on to it after he fell as one would think that it would have gotten lost in the violent river had he not. His keeping it with him and wearing it also seems to show a remarkable amount of faith in Iris's words that the hood would protect him). Despite Phoenix's being unable to defend because of his accident, he is quick to send Edgeworth to Iris with his attorney's badge, the demon warding hood (which he seems to have cared for so much but was given up to be used as evidence in Iris's defense), and the magatama (a spiritual item used to see psyche locks) with the hopes that he would defend her temporarily in Phoenix's place. It is notable that Iris's first question to Edgeworth is about Phoenix's condition instead of about her own situation. Only once she is reassured of Phoenix's safety is Iris willing to talk about anything else. Phoenix also checks himself out of the hospital early so that he could conduct the investigation for the second day and defend Iris, despite the fact that he is described as still being sick.

- Both are also so struck to see each other at their first meeting that neither is capable of speaking for several moments which prompts Maya to tease Phoenix about his reaction. While examining certain items at the Inner Temple Maya will say things like "... You've been in kind of a bad mood lately, haven't you, Nick? ...Zvarri! I know what it is! I-R-I-S." and "Oh? About Iris, I bet! Looks like you've been bitten by the love bug, Nick!"

- In the credits, we are also told that during one of his prison visits to see Iris, Phoenix couldn't take his eyes off of Iris.

Other:
- Pearl Fey is Iris's half-sister. Years after Iris and her twin sister Dahlia were taken from their home by their father, their mother, Morgan Fey, had another daughter whom she named Pearl. This also makes Maya and Mia Fey Iris's cousins, born to Morgan's younger sister Misty.
- Iris's nickname for Phoenix in college was "Feenie." She also uses it when she reveals who she is to him.
- The pink sweater Phoenix wears in the first case was a gift made by Iris. The "P" on it stands for Phoenix.
- Phoenix called Iris "Dollie" when he presumed Iris was Dahlia.

Apollo Justice Timeline:
- Although Iris is not referenced in this game, the majority of the old characters do not get a direct reference. It is vaguely hinted that Phoenix keeps in touch with his old friends. Because the story is told from Apollo's point of view for the most part and Phoenix spends a good deal of time off-screen in which time he could contact his old friends without the player knowing that he had done so, it is believed that he is probably keeps in touch with all his old friends, Iris included particularly since we know he was visiting her after the end of GS3. It is hoped by many fans that Iris will make a return or at least be referenced in GS5.

Notable Supporters?
Maya Fey (in game character)- She teases Phoenix about Iris after their first meeting, so it's hard to gauge how serious she was.

Alternate Names:
Fans tend to refer to the pairing as either P/I which is derived from the first letter of both characters' names, Feenris which is a mixture of the beginning of Iris's nickname for Phoenix and the end of Iris's name, or NaruAya which is derived from a combination of the characters' Japanese names (Naruhodou and Ayame).

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I don't see how that is related to the pairing, unless I read it wrong. If anything it only explains that Mia and Maya are Iris's cousins. :/

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It was more miscellaneous information about the whole family dynamic and the fact that all those characters are connected could effect the relationship subtly. I thought it was sort of along the lines of the whole thing about Phoenix not being creeped out by spirit channeling mentioned in the Phoenix/Maya one. That in itself doesn't really point to anything within the pairing (Particularly since it's Pearl who introduces the magatama's power to him, not Maya, and he is very startled the first time he uses it and he even comments afterward that he isn't going to use that power anymore then necessary. The very first time Mia is channeled he collapsed twice, so I'm not sure that it's accurate to say that he wasn't creeped out. He simply got used to it and dealt with as best he could. Phoenix adapts quickly :P). I could see it setting up some background for the pairing though which is sort of what that part was for. I can remove that part if it bothers you though. :) Does it meet with your approval overall?

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Superangelo128's approval confirmed =)

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Teeming beamer approves one hundred percent! =D

Now let's make the whole article look...PWITTY!

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Thanks guys. I'm glad you like it. It was actually rather fun to write although harder then I expected. This pairing stuff does not lend itself well to this format. Hopefully, I'll also be able to find someone who has the free time to proof this thing too. I'd rather not post it until someone has checked it as I often have trouble seeing my own mistakes. My mind knows what should be there, so it'll automatically correct it in my head and I won't see that it's wrong which is more then slightly annoying.

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HEY!

HEY, LISTEN! HEY, LISTEN! HEY, LISTEEEEEEEN!

It was a passing thought, and I was just wondering about it, and then the idea clicked and I went, "WHOA! IT COULD'VE HAPPENED AND WE NEVER KNEW IT!"

So like, if we recall in the second case of Apollo Justice, there's a time when you'd go back to the Hotti Clinic, and HoboFeenie wouldn't be there; because like, he was getting a physical examination, yeah?

Okay, here it is. Trucy mentions that "Daddy likes his examinations." (ROFL XD) Now, something began to revolve around my head, and it's the wildest most unsupported theory I'm sure, but...

Once-nun-now-nurse Iris giving HoboFeenie a lot of examinations.

...Alright there. I SAID IT. Now, feel free to throw me out of this thread?

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That would explain quite a bit.



Also,



Source

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AAAH! NICE!

Well, it's a wild theory, like I said. Hey, I can dream about it!

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So we're now into making Wiki pages? Interesting concept. There are some points I want to clarify or edit if it's alright with you.

~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~

Brief Intro:
~Phoenix Wright/Iris Hawthrone~ is the belief that Phoenix Wright and Maya Fey is a couple or friends I believe close friends will be more useful here. It's considered a Canon pairing since the two dated in the past. Certain events caused them to separate, and they didn't meet again until Case 5 of Trials and Tribulations.

History:
Iris initially dated Phoenix because Dahlia was planning to kill him in order to get back a certain necklace she gave to him as hidden evidence. Wasn't Dahlia initially used Iris to try and get back the necklace without arousing suspicion from the police? The reason was that she was initially a suspect in the poisoning of a certain attorney so she couldn't freely move about. Iris had to pose as Dahlia, and most fans assumed that she dyed her hair and wore an outfit given by Dahlia. After a while of Phoenix and Iris dating, Iris began to realize she developed feelings for Phoenix though what they did exactly in their relationship was never put into much detail.

One day, Dahlia got fed up of Iris since she hadn't gotten the necklace back and she realized she started to develop feelings for Phoenix. Which she are you referring to here? Dahlia or Iris?. She proceeded to go kill Phoenix without telling Iris. Unfortunately for her, she killed Doug Stone her ex-boyfriend and though she tried to blame it on Phoenix, Mia Fey got Dahlia the death sentence and Phoenix a "Not Guilty" verdict. Phoenix was heartbroken that his "Dollie" betrayed him like that, but believed that the one in court was a "fake". Mia scoffed at this, and told Phoenix to get over her.

In Case 3-5, Phoenix sees someone resembling Dahlia in a book (It's a magazine actually) about Kurain Channeling (someone fix this, I forgot what it was called >_>) It was about a training course to enhance spiritual powers. Maya, Pearl and Phoenix go to (whatever the place was called man I'm forgetting easy details >_>) (Hazakurain was the temple's name) in order for Maya to receive special channeling training from Bikini. When Phoenix and Iris meet, they become extremely awkward around each other. At night, when Phoenix and Iris meet again, Iris knows Phoenix's name somehow, and Phoenix asks her how. 5 Psyche-Locks appear.

When Phoenix falls in a river, to save Maya, Iris gets suspected of killing Elise Deauxnim. Phoenix asks Edgeworth to defend him. Iris tells Edgeworth she's too afraid to tell Phoenix the truth because of her guilt. Edgeworth only defends her for a day only if she tells Phoenix the truth.

(To lazy to do all the details for 3-5, so someone can fill in if they want) Lol! Heard of copy and paste?

Iris gets a "Not Guilty" verdict for killing Elise, but admits herself as an accomplice to the crime. When the trail ends, she tells Phoenix all the details about their past relationship and how she knew him. She tells him of Dahlia's wanting to kill, her increased feelings for him, and how sorry and guilty she is. Phoenix forgives her by telling her she was the "Dollie" he's known all along and has always believed in her.

Phoenix is shown visiting her in the credits, but it is unknown how often he visits her.

In Apollo Justice Timeline
Although, never refrenceed in Apollo Justice, fans hope she will appear somewhere in Gyakuten Saiban 5.

Notable Supporters?
Maya Fey- (though she was teasing Phoenix)

Alternate Names
Feenris
PxI

Other notes
-Iris gave Phoenix the nickname "Feenie" and still uses it towards the end of 3-5, as a sign she still has feelings for him
-Phoenix called Iris "Dollie" when he presumed Iris was Dahlia.
-Despite being canon, Phoenix x Iris is no where near as popular as Phoenix/Maya >_> Has it been confirmed as official canon though? The reason is that canon means officially supported by Capcom but I don't see a lot of reason for this though.

No. Dahlia was perfectly willing and able to get the necklace back herself. Iris begged her for the chance to get it back herself so there wouldn't be any more deaths.


Canon means it either happened in the game, or has been stated as being fact by the developers.

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Edits are good, but your time might be better spent on my last huge post as that is a synthesis of everything that has been posted in this thread (At least it was my best attempt. <_< It's not particularly good, but I tried). Thanks though. I do need a proofreader if you have the time and additional information is always good. :)


Franzise, I love that bookmark so much! I can't stop staring at it! It's beautiful! The one of the twins in Dahlia's thread is gorgeous too.


And as for Iris being the nurse at Hickfield Clinic... that may well be my new favorite theory. "Dr. Hickfield" was a bit jumpy when Phoenix caught him being a pervert towards Trucy. Perhaps there's more to that story... Hitting on a guy's daughter and girlfriend in the same day sounds like something Hotti/Hickfield would do.

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Well, I may have been an idiot in not looking before I posted. Thanks for the clarification Franzise. Mia, well, I don't mind being the proof-reader if need to be. Besides, I've already done heaps of proof-reading at uni a LOT lately...

First off, you certainly aren't the first person to post without reading through the thread. I've done it myself, so don't feel bad. And to the second point, I'd be very grateful if you could. Only if you have the time of course.

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While no article's perfect without some help, all typos still need to be struck down, like contradictions!

I'm reading and comparing the last several articles posted here, after some proofreading and stuff, and it looks okay to me now. *grammar freak*

And that thing with the good Doctor hitting on Trucy almost suggestively...disturbing.

But NOT as disturbing as him with "Nurse!Iris", oh noes!

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Pictures are good.



Source here

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That's priceless.

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LOL! I quite like it when Dahlia was like going "Who the hell is that idiot?"