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Magatama Phailz? (imminent spoilers)
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There are several cases where someone lies, Phoenix breaks their Psyche Locks, and then the person lies again, this time without any locks showing up.
There are several cases where someone lies, Phoenix breaks their Psyche Locks, and then the person lies again, this time without any locks showing up.
When exactly did this happen? I didn't really catch any of these
The contradictions page said 2-2 and 3-2, but are there other cases? Also, when specifically during 2-2, 3-2, and those other cases did it happen?
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Like when Phoenix breaks Maya's psyche-lock about all his hair gel disappearing, and Maya said she used it once, when in the end we find out she actually used it twice.
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In 3-2 you break Atmey's locks, and though the story he feeds you afterwards is still nothing near what happened, he gets away with it.
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Ayasato-chan wrote:
The magatama isn't a lie detector. It only tells when a person is hiding something. I mean Phoenix never downright asked anyone except Engarde if they were guilty. The reason the magatama didn't pick up a lock is because Engarde thought he was telling no lie and felt no need to hide anything when Phoenix asked.
I always thought the magatama didn't react because Phoenix asked him "Are you the murderer?". And Matt didn't lie because obviously he didn't personally murder that other guy whose name I forgot.
I think the use of the magatama is alaways a bit of a balancing act because you could always use it to find out who the murderer was, which would make the game sort of...easy. So I guess it's only logical that the use of the magatama isn't always logical (wow that makes sense)...know what I mean? ^^
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malfunctiones wrote:
Title: I'm Telling The Truth, But I'm Not.
Type: General lack of Psyche-Locks
Now, I'm not exactly sure how the Magatama really works to a full extent, but sometimes it doesn't pick up when someone is hiding something. Like, it shows locks on a lot of things, but if you replay a case you've already beat, and someone says something you know is untrue and think "Oh, they're definitely hiding something." But the Psyche-Locks don't show up, even though it's obvious they are hiding something since you've beaten the case before and know it. I guess this was to go forward in the case, but it still bugs me. For instance:
There are other cases other than that, and I'm sure it's just so you don't know the full story too soon, but if the Psyche-Locks are set to show up when someone is hiding something, then theoretically they should show up when someone is hiding something. =P It's not too big of a contradiction, but it still kinda irks me when I'm replaying cases. xD If you were playing the case for the first time, you wouldn't think anything of it and forget about it later on, but when you replay cases you notice stuff like that. =P
Type: General lack of Psyche-Locks
Now, I'm not exactly sure how the Magatama really works to a full extent, but sometimes it doesn't pick up when someone is hiding something. Like, it shows locks on a lot of things, but if you replay a case you've already beat, and someone says something you know is untrue and think "Oh, they're definitely hiding something." But the Psyche-Locks don't show up, even though it's obvious they are hiding something since you've beaten the case before and know it. I guess this was to go forward in the case, but it still bugs me. For instance:
Spoiler: Case 2-2
There are other cases other than that, and I'm sure it's just so you don't know the full story too soon, but if the Psyche-Locks are set to show up when someone is hiding something, then theoretically they should show up when someone is hiding something. =P It's not too big of a contradiction, but it still kinda irks me when I'm replaying cases. xD If you were playing the case for the first time, you wouldn't think anything of it and forget about it later on, but when you replay cases you notice stuff like that. =P
I posted that in the Cough-Up thread. =P That's kinda my take on it.
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grim_tales wrote:
Re 2-4 I agree, the reason why no psyche locks appeared when Matt said "I didnt kill anyone", well, he was truth there. HE didn't PERSONALLY kill anyone. Clever!
Except the magatama is meant to pick up when people are hiding something, but CAPCOM uses it as when people lie afterwards, so he would be hiding that he hired De Killer.
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Ayasato-chan wrote:
The magatama isn't a lie detector. It only tells when a person is hiding something.
But Ini *was* hiding something. Every time you speak to her, she's hiding the fact that she isn't Ini at all. If blatantly lying to someone's face can't be considered "hidings something" I don't know what else can.
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Gerkuman wrote:
I've always seen it as a nervousness detector. That's how Matt could fool it, he wasn't nervous at all.
That makes sense. It only goes off if the person you're talking to knows you're getting close to the truth.
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Artemis wrote:
Something tells me that Phoenix has to be AWARE - at least a little - that they're hiding a secret with lies in order for the Psyche-Locks to appear, since it's a two-person process (otherwise, why would the Magatama hurt his spirit if he failed to break a lock?)
that makes sense. there have been a lot of instances where a psychlock could appear, but dont since phoenix isnt aware of it. hmm...
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So, In Luke's case, Phoenix never asks "were you hit by Mask*DeMasque?", (well I don't know... maybe he does, I'd have to go back and check...)
And In ini miney's case, you never ask her "are you Ini Miney?"
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Um... I think that was just a metaphor...
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Katana wrote:
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Umm, spoilers, Katana?
Anyway, I think that Phoenix has to either have a feeling that they're lying, or is aware that they're getting visibly tense over a certain question.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Umm, spoilers, Katana?
You don't need to use a spoiler tag if it's already mentioned in the title topic.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Umm, spoilers, Katana?
You don't need to use a spoiler tag if it's already mentioned in the title topic.
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In 2-3, all the evidence in the beginning points towards Max. That's why Phoenix asks him directly, "Did you leave the Ringmaster's room that night?" When Max says no, Phoenix believes it must be the truth because no psyche locks appear. He uses it very blatantly as a lie detector. That's why he's so convinced in 2-4 that because Matt didn't have any locks at first, he couldn't have been guilty.
But Phoenix went into that situation with every reason to believe that Matt was guilty, and that didn't help him discover the locks. He was already very suspicous of Atmey, and still missed Atmey's second set of lies. I don't think you can argue that Phoenix's state of mind / level of suspicion has anything to do with it.
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But when asked, "What did you talk about with the Ringmaster?" Not, "Did you leave the Ringmaster's room?" or "Did you kill the Ringmaster?"
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Salutation Here wrote:
Gerkuman wrote:
I've always seen it as a nervousness detector. That's how Matt could fool it, he wasn't nervous at all.
That makes sense. It only goes off if the person you're talking to knows you're getting close to the truth.
Nonono that wasn't how Matt fooled it at all it was all in the wording of the question.
Phoenix asked him if he'd killed the victim. Matt said no in all honesty he did not lie as he didn't kill the victim DeKiller did so theres no reason why he shouldn't have fooled it.
Also I'm not certain why the Magatama fails sometimes, the possibility that he needs to suspect someone is hiding something is a possibility as theres a number of times I'm certain Phoenix has said "I thought so" or "Big surprise" or something along those lines but I swear theres a number of times he's also been like "What the hell?!" when he sees Psych locks taking him completely by surprise.
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Bad Player wrote:
Yeah.
But when asked, "What did you talk about with the Ringmaster?" Not, "Did you leave the Ringmaster's room?" or "Did you kill the Ringmaster?"
But when asked, "What did you talk about with the Ringmaster?" Not, "Did you leave the Ringmaster's room?" or "Did you kill the Ringmaster?"
Oh yeah. I forgot.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Salutation Here wrote:
Gerkuman wrote:
I've always seen it as a nervousness detector. That's how Matt could fool it, he wasn't nervous at all.
That makes sense. It only goes off if the person you're talking to knows you're getting close to the truth.
Nonono that wasn't how Matt fooled it at all it was all in the wording of the question.
Phoenix asked him if he'd killed the victim. Matt said no in all honesty he did not lie as he didn't kill the victim DeKiller did so theres no reason why he shouldn't have fooled it.
It could be a combination of the two. Matt was able to deny the possibility of his being the killer because he knew it 'wasn't true'.
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It could be a combination of the two. Matt was able to deny the possibility of his being the killer because he knew it 'wasn't true'.
Well duh if he knows he didn't then he wouldn't be nervous about it after all DeKiller has his word of secrecy and stuff, he had no reason to be nervous besides no one knows about the Magatama, it's not like he's trying to trick it.
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Or maybe Larry sneaks up behind him and steals the Magatama every time the writers can't have the locks showing up. You know what they say, when something smells...
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