Case 5 Overexaggerated

Mon May 07, 2007 5:02 am

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I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but me and a friend have been making fun of something for a while now;

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Well, if you understand my point, which you might not right away, discuss it. I thought it was pretty funny. It's kind of like my idea of how stupid but funny it would be if a detective got assigned a case of a 'serial underage smoker' or something like that. Godot

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 1:59 am

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Well, obviously, he MOVED the bodies to a different location. Besides, most seriel killers have a motive (like being racist) and Darke just didn't want to get caught, so there was no connection to use.

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 2:24 am

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Like Shadow said, he moved them so he would not get caught, and well, they are serial killings, and when someoned phoned the police on him, he probably ran and did not get to see his face, heh who knows.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 4:49 am

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Motive or not, think like a serial killer just as the first day in Case 5 delved into. Ask yourself, "Who in their right mind would go on a killspree just so he or she can get caught in the act?". Obviously the murderer would purge as much evidence tracing him (alive or not) as possible so that his or motive could still continue. May the motive be for pleasure, desire, revenge, or whatnot, but the main fallacy presented by LuckyHitMan is that witnessing Joe Darke in the middle of a corpse pile. Tie what realism may come to mind, but Joe Darke has and should be smarter than to leave traces to incriminate himself so that his crime spree lasts longer.

That's my end, but I will note that I did not acknowledge the "it's just a game" idea. Indeed it feels rather overexaggerated, but the game itself is an over-exaggeration compiled into a cartridge.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 6:23 am

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Didn't Joe Darke kill everyone saw what happen and then I'm assuming that he killed everyone who saw him then fled. Err... right?

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 7:59 am

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He killed all who witnesses the murder. Then when he was buring the bodies, a jogger saw him and was killed too.

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 8:09 am

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Wait...

Something in the Phoenix Wright series... is OVEREXAGGERATED?!!!

Ack

NO WAY!

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 9:18 am

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luckyhitmaster wrote:

Spoiler:

Spoiler: If you've read Harry Potter...

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 12:39 pm

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Joe Darke turned himself in, although he escaped again. Thats why they needed the map. If he hadn't have turned himself in, they would have never found out who did it. :F

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 8:50 pm

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If I brought this up, I obviously would have ways around what everyone's saying. And here they are: I seriously doubt he would have time to bury a ton of bodies without someone eventually escaping and telling or a cop being one of the people who come across him (they have pistols and tonfa). When he escaped, they ran right out of the interrogation room to chase him, finding him dead in Gant's/Lana's office not very long after (clearly stated in the game). Even if they didn't run right out, I also seriously doubt that they would take the time to assign 2 detectives to the case and look at a map, when they needed to chase him immediately to catch him easily. I see that they could have assigned the different people to different areas to search on the map, but it clearly says that it was just Neil Marshall and Gant that chased after him. So, try me with some more "contradictions" if you can find any. Godot

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Tue May 08, 2007 8:57 pm

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luckyhitmaster wrote:

If I brought this up, I obviously would have ways around what everyone's saying. And here they are: I seriously doubt he would have time to bury a ton of bodies without someone eventually escaping and telling or a cop being one of the people who come across him (they have pistols and tonfa). When he escaped, they ran right out of the interrogation room to chase him, finding him dead in Gant's/Lana's office not very long after (clearly stated in the game). Even if they didn't run right out, I also seriously doubt that they would take the time to assign 2 detectives to the case and look at a map, when they needed to chase him immediately to catch him easily. I see that they could have assigned the different people to different areas to search on the map, but it clearly says that it was just Neil Marshall and Gant that chased after him. So, try me with some more "contradictions" if you can find any. Godot

Darke wasn't dead when they found him. And that case was being investigated since before Darke turned himself in. And he killed the three people that witnessed his first murder. True the amount of bodies is a bit ridiculous to bury.

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 9:14 pm

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From what I can gather, this is my theory.

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 9:33 pm

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CantFaketheFunk wrote:

Wait...

Something in the Phoenix Wright series... is OVEREXAGGERATED?!!!

Ack

NO WAY!

I LOL'D.

On topic: but Joe Darke came into the police station to turn himself in, correct? But then he fled. So even though he turned himself in, he must not have wanted to get caught THAT easily, so he probably didn't tell them WHERE he killed his victims. There were only five or so witnesses for him to kill, so he had to have been somewhere that wasn't all that busy, and seeing as he was so desperate not to get caught that he killed the witnesses, he probably was careful not to leave incriminating evidence and to be careful while burying the bodies. It's not like someone arrested him while he stood in a pile of corpses.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Tue May 08, 2007 9:39 pm

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luckyhitmaster wrote:

If I brought this up, I obviously would have ways around what everyone's saying. And here they are: I seriously doubt he would have time to bury a ton of bodies without someone eventually escaping and telling or a cop being one of the people who come across him (they have pistols and tonfa).

But like I said, he must have been in a hidden area. And Gumshoe said that the story about him burying the body was conjecture. He may have just hid the bodies. Sure, the bodies would have been found later, but Gumshoe wasn't a detective on the case anyway so I don't think his story would exactly be air-tight.

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When he escaped, they ran right out of the interrogation room to chase him, finding him dead in Gant's/Lana's office not very long after (clearly stated in the game).

...And then they executed a dead guy. Right.

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Even if they didn't run right out, I also seriously doubt that they would take the time to assign 2 detectives to the case and look at a map, when they needed to chase him immediately to catch him easily.

The map was from before then. That's why Gant wasn't in the picture while Neil was.

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I see that they could have assigned the different people to different areas to search on the map, but it clearly says that it was just Neil Marshall and Gant that chased after him.

That's because they were the only ones questioning him at the time and they couldn't waste time when a serial killer was on the loose. And they wouldn't have needed a map to search the police station, they were all detectives so they would have been familiar with the building.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 12:46 am

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Yah know, the map thing is probably there just for dramatic effect.

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 2:10 am

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[Team Sonic] Shadow wrote:

Yah know, the map thing is probably there just for dramatic effect.

That was exactly my point, actually. What I was saying is that they acted so seriously on a case you would think would be obvious. The only thing I find that you all have said that deserves an argument, since it is a possibility, is that Dark could have been in an empty area. PW is supposed to take place in LA in the American version, therefore, there wouldn't be too many rural areas and empty streets. To concede that point, I'm sure there are a few though, so it's possible. Also, even in rural areas, I'm sure a person nearby would hear a scream, assuming that most people probably scream when some weird guy with a knife walks towards them to stab them. But maybe not. Well, that's all I have for now.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 2:49 am

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I have a beef with this case. Seriously, the chance that there was no evidence left behind is near to zero. There would have been some sort of damage left on the car after the impact with his first victim, and killing all those other people no doubt would have covered him with blood (easily explainable, but still), and, presuming that he killed all of the other people with the switchblade knife, all of the wounds should have matched the prescise thickness (and if he stabbed them, length) of the knifes blade. I would also imagine that he wasn't wearing gloves at the time of the first five murders, so in burying the victims he must have left his fingerprints everwhere. I don't see why all of the investigation would be at all necessary.
Then, I don't understand this- was it immediatly after the murder that he turned himself in, or was it some time later? And why do they refer to it as questioning, and how they "brought him in", when in fact it was an unprompted confession? And wouldn't they have confiscated his knife, if they were as suspicious of him as they already were?
Sorry, I have a lot of problems with this case. I just think that much of Case 5 has plot holes (e.g. why was Gant not caught on tape murdering Goodman? Wouldn't the police have noticed a ten-to-twenty minute "blank" on film at around the time that number 777777 was in the evidence room? I'm guessing Marshall wasn't there).

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 3:53 am

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Brandon Strong wrote:

why was Gant not caught on tape murdering Goodman? Wouldn't the police have noticed a ten-to-twenty minute "blank" on film at around the time that number 777777 was in the evidence room? I'm guessing Marshall wasn't there).

the tapes automatically erased themselves, also Gant IS the police.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 4:17 am

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Iskander wrote:

the tapes automatically erased themselves,

Sure, the tapes automatically erase themselves every six hours. However, the incident in question occured 20 or so minutes before Jake versus Meekins. The tapes wouldn't have erased themselves, unless the investigators checked the tapes 5 hours and 40 minutes later.

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also Gant IS the police.

Yes, well whats he gonna say?
Eh?

Hey, chief, is this you and goodman...
Gant

Hohohoh, silly, I dont know what your talking about.
*erases*
Damon

Now, you didn't see anything.
Sadshoe

But sir...
Damon

I said you didn't see anything.
Gant

Or didn't you hear me?

...Sorry, I don't think so.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 7:24 pm

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More plot holes I came up with!

I know that Meekins

is kinda absent minded, but wouldn't he notice a bloody handprint on Gumshoes locker?

Also, what did Marshall

use to wipe up his bloody handprint? Did he have enough time to wipe it away anyhow? Wouldn't Marshall

also erase the video RIGHT after his "crime" was commited?

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 9:02 pm

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Marshall wouldn't be smart enough to erase the video of him, as it is stressed that he sucks with modern electronics, but the other holes you all came up with are good. And Brandon Strong pretty much explained what I was getting at all along in very good detail, which I hope others will now understand. It's just too sloppy of a crime to not be noticed right away. You don't need two detectives to figure out a guy who killed over 3 people with his car on the side of the street for a good amount of time and nothing great to cover up evidence. If he didn't turn himself in right away, they should have been able to figure everything out within one day. They interrogated him because that's how police work; they like to know every little detail, just in case it comes up later as something important. I don't think he would happen to have a shovel in his car when he killed those people, and I doubt he had the time and room in his car to take them somewhere else until he could bury them. I'll try giving a good image of it myself:

Joe Darke

*Standing in the middle of a circular pile of dead bodies, sweating, with a bloody switchblade in hand.*

Goodman

I wonder who could have killed all these people.

Joe Darke

Hmm... I don't know. I have an alibi. I was sleeping right here in the middle of this pile of dead bodies standing up for the last 5 hours.

Goodman

The neighbors nearby said they saw it and they knew the murderer's name as Joe Dark and his description was... shit, just like you, actually. Let me see your license.

Joe Darke

Wow, what a coincidence. He had the same name as me and even looked like me.

Goodman

Yeah, that is weird. Oh well, you obviously didn't do this, and this is going to be a hard investigation, so I'll go back to the station and ask for a few other detectives to join this case. This guy's a real pro. He killed all these people and somehow got away so quickly. And on the side of the street, with tons of people watching even!

Joe Darke

Ha, yeah, a real pro. I wonder who it could be.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 9:14 pm

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It was stated that the police knew it was Darke, however they could not find the evidence to prove it, which is why

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Also why meekins did not see the print is obvious, if you actually played the case you would know Damon

Spoiler:

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Wed May 09, 2007 9:58 pm

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Spoiler: PW:AA case 5

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Thu May 10, 2007 12:21 am

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Maybe it's some kind of joke that they couldn't find prove on him. Even if he escaped, I'm sure they could have found finger prints on things nearby, maybe even a car door handle. If they didn't find the murder weapon, I'm sure they could have found blood traces on his clothes. But that leads to another question; why the hell did he have a switchblade in the room when they were interrogating him? Wouldn't they have made him hand it over before he went in the room?

By the way, sorry if some of the things I say sound dumb, but I haven't gotten to play the game in forever (at least a year). I gave my DS to my girlfriend for Valentine's Day, and now I really regret it. I know, I'm stupid. Sadshoe

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Thu May 10, 2007 1:35 am

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Well the fact is Darke was long gone with his bloody clothes and weapon. All the witnesses were dead anyways. No witnesses and Darke long hid the evidence against him.

Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Thu May 10, 2007 1:38 am

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Okay, wouldn't he see it AFTER he moved Mr. Blue Badger? And how did Darke get into Gant's office? You need an ID card (which I doubt he has)

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Thu May 10, 2007 2:28 am

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[Team Sonic] Shadow wrote:

Okay, wouldn't he see it AFTER he moved Mr. Blue Badger? And how did Darke get into Gant's office? You need an ID card (which I doubt he has)

That is a very good question. I really can't think of anything to say in argument to that. Ema said he surprised her when he came in, so she couldn't have opened the door at his knock.

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Thu May 10, 2007 3:28 am

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luckyhitmaster wrote:

[Team Sonic] Shadow wrote:

Okay, wouldn't he see it AFTER he moved Mr. Blue Badger? And how did Darke get into Gant's office? You need an ID card (which I doubt he has)

That is a very good question. I really can't think of anything to say in argument to that. Ema said he surprised her when he came in, so she couldn't have opened the door at his knock.

I'm playin the case right now, and Ema actually says that she opened the door when she heard a commotions outside. Darke then rushed in, grabbed her, and presumably held his knife to her throat or something. I personally would be surprised if that happened. Matt

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Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:40 pm

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if i remember correctly Joe darke didnt plan to kill sum1 he hit sum and end up killing them with his car actidentilly then sum1 saw that happen so he killed them and then sumone saw him kill that person then as he buried the bodies the jogger saw that and he killed the jogger 2 i think that how it was i dnt think darke intentulation had murder in mind when he hit the person with his car

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Re: Case 5 Overexaggerated

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:50 pm

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[Team Sonic] Shadow wrote:

Okay, wouldn't he see it AFTER he moved Mr. Blue Badger? And how did Darke get into Gant's office? You need an ID card (which I doubt he has)

Three cheers for paraphrasing!

Phoenix: Did you notice anyone else in there?
Edgeworth: It's always dark in there...

Yes. A dark bloody handprint on a dark locker in a dark room. I'm sure the police officer who needs his ID card around his neck is going to notice that.

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CantFaketheFunk wrote:

Wait...

Something in the Phoenix Wright series... is OVEREXAGGERATED?!!!

:ack:

NO WAY!

Say it's not so!

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