Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby

Page 1 of 1[ 28 posts ]
 


Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Eater of Zombie Toast

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 3:00 pm

Posts: 40

Spoiler: 1-5
I've recently replayed case 1-5, and I have to say, Damon Gant goes down in the oddest fashion, akin to 2-3's murderer. He seems almost happy that everything is resolved well.... To elaborate, he seems to have a complete change of personailty, really speaking from his heart. It's almost exactly the same as how Lana becomes after the case. So, I pose this question: would the PW universe be better if Damon Gant were not sentenced to death? He shows some true honor as he falls, unlike almost every other villain in the first two games. The only thing that really confuses me is how Damon Gant managed to become that way after being so evil for two years. He did what he did in SL-9 by himself, without any previous corruption.

Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

The foxy ladies can't resist my sandwich

Gender: Male

Location: The land of Leprechauns and alcoholism.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:15 pm

Posts: 4848

Spoiler: Coz I can.
Coz he know's it's all over and he goes back to been his old self? Iunno. Dee Vasquez was happy, although her murder was justified. Karma after going batshit insane was all happy calm.

fuck
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Eater of Zombie Toast

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 3:00 pm

Posts: 40

Spoiler: The whole first game, I suppose
The thing about Karma and Vasquez, though, was the way they went down. They just went quietly. Gant, however, made awhole preach about how the future would be bright because of Phoenix and Edgeworth. He seemed so cheery in comparison, as if it wasn't an act anymore.

Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

The foxy ladies can't resist my sandwich

Gender: Male

Location: The land of Leprechauns and alcoholism.

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:15 pm

Posts: 4848

Shameless advertising for the second game perhaps? o_O

Also, I always thought Gant looked like a chicken. As in the animal.
fuck
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Oak Ridge, TN

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:58 pm

Posts: 141

I see what you're saying. Once he was figured out, he didn't waste time pitying himself, because he accepted that he did something wrong (or a few things wrong), and couldn't hide it anymore. Unlike the others, he didn't take a little time to whine or try to go on or justify what he had done. I guess you can think of it like this: most criminals are immature and are the types of people who have to get their way with everything or it tears them apart; there are a rare few that are actually very mature geniuses who put plans to gain power and stay there into action. That would be Gant. Those types are more likely to not pity themselves when they fail and not hold it against the prosecutor (or defense attorney) and anyone else who contributes to their capture. They have understanding and know they were only doing their job, and they just happened to be really good and passionate about it.

So here's my answer, after all that open-mind consideration: Gant will surely not be able to come back in, seeing that he's murdered at least two people, and possibly more. If they wanted to try a big twist, and this is probably too much of a twist, they could have him as a member of an organized crime group. He would seem like that type of person. Maybe something like the other members are trying to get revenge for his arrest. But more realistically, I think that more criminals like him would be great. But it might work out even better if they mixed his personality with the other criminals of the games. He was slippery, but mostly because of his power and the hold he had over others. Combine that and a criminal that is just a plain-out, slick, smooth liar, and that would make a great opponent. Maybe they might do something like that as the last criminal of the Odoroki ark.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Science: It's cuter than ever

Gender: Female

Location: Michigan

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:25 am

Posts: 999

Well, Gant seems pretty jovial overall to me. Granted, as the case went on his originally jolly persona may have appeared to have all been an act, but to me his cheerfulness always seemed sort of...sincere. He's that one-in-a-billion type of person who is not only an optimist, but is willing to face up to his mistakes and who looks at things very clearly. He might have realized that getting upset any further would have no point. Gant is the type of character that, as sinister as he is, is hard to not respect.

That said...Death penalty-wise? It's a shame as he's a very talented and awesome character, but unfortunately considering he's a serial murderer along with a black-mailer and forgerer, and the people he killed were both in law enforcement so that probably carried an even more serious penalty, combined with the fact that the PW universe seems to be very harsh with its sentences and that we already know it carries a possible death penalty for serial murderers...I'm afraid his charisma isn't enough to escape death row. Of course, anything's possible and since they rarely tell us the criminals' sentences we're free to speculate, but I think execution is pretty likely.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Eater of Zombie Toast

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 3:00 pm

Posts: 40

I don't seem to have worded the question correctly. I didn't mean whether or not he would be executed, but whether his execution was a good thing in general, not only for the quality of the series but for the actual charcetrs themselves, after how it seemed like he'd reformed.... Kind of an odd question, I know.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

I<3 Feenie

Gender: Female

Location: AZ

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Tue May 22, 2007 6:37 pm

Posts: 104

Even if he reformed himself and wasn't executed, he would still have to go to jail and therefore be "removed" from the world.
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Eater of Zombie Toast

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 3:00 pm

Posts: 40

I must still not be making myself clear. I'm posing a what if situation, wher Damon Gant miraculously has all charges cleared and nothing else is disturbed as a result.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

I<3 Feenie

Gender: Female

Location: AZ

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Tue May 22, 2007 6:37 pm

Posts: 104

He could have a change of heart and have the charges dropped but there are too many people that could not forgive him.
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Lolwut?

Gender: Female

Location: Florida

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Posts: 826

Spoiler: 1-5
While I am certainly not condoning what he did, it can be in a way almost justified because the police and co. were so desperate to take down Darke for the crimes that everyone was so certain he did (no doubt there,) the only problem is that he covered his tracks so well.

Then when Darke went in to turn himself in and fled to Gant's office it could've ended right there, but that's where Gant screwed up. He could've just picked up Darke and threw him onto the suit of armor--not Neil. But he devised an elaborate plan to not only get Darke taken down, but secure his position as Chief of police and have Lana under his thumb as chief prosecutor.
Borderline First-Second degree murder (he really hadno intention of killing Neil beforehand but he was part of his on-the-spot plan...), blackmail, and concealing evidence.

As for Goodman, Gant pretty much just panicked because there would be a possibility of him being found out.
Second degree murder right there.

I am horribly biased though--Gant is teetering on the second spot on my Favorite character roster (Tied with Edgeworth and beaten barely by Meekins...) I would love to see Gant again--for better or worse (worse meaning he's evil/not-redeemed, NOT dead.
:damon: )


I could just see Gant starting up some crime syndicate that specializes in vigilanteism since he hates crime so much--as hypocritical as it sounds. Then Lana and other 1-5 people go bonkers...

Dude, that would make a great fanfic.. *runs off*
Too lazy... hur hur.
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Oak Ridge, TN

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:58 pm

Posts: 141

Gant coming back would be awesome, but that would be nearly impossible. I know you're saying to just not think about that and consider his charges dropped, but that's nearly impossible. It would sound like a PW character to escape jail and come back in some kind of odd disguise though. And for Gant, that sounds sort of fitting for his personality. If he somehow got a different identity and could come back as a different sort of person... it would be funny if he started some kind of anti-Mafia and changed his appearance drastically.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Science: It's cuter than ever

Gender: Female

Location: Michigan

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:25 am

Posts: 999

Well, as charismatic, jolly, and fascinating as he is, Damon Gant is also 100% egotistical, which is dangerous with a person like him who isn't afraid to kill a person or two to get what he wants. Sure, people can change, but I think with as complete lack of empathy as he has isn't likely to suddenly have a change of heart. I can't claim to be terribly knowledgeable about psychology, but I'm pretty sure that for someone like him who has THAT little empathy can't just change. You can TRY to care, but you can't MAKE yourself care if that's the way your brain functions.

...Actually, this reminds me of something. There was a line in the third trial day that went something like this:

:gant: "Be tough on crime and tough on people! That's how I was raised."

This is sort of a stretch, but...it sort of makes you wonder what sort of family he had that he turned out to be such an outwardly cheerful, yet cold and sinister man. He's certainly fascinating, at any rate.

...Oh, and for the people who say that Gant is no doubt dead or imprisoned? This is PW. We have spirit mediums :sal:
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Gender: None specified

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 10:27 pm

Posts: 299

But it doesn't actually state that he was executed does it?The only person that PW clearly says was executed was Joe Darke.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Lolwut?

Gender: Female

Location: Florida

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Posts: 826

Well, if the SL-9 case was closed and even a few days expired by the time Gant's crimes are revealed, would they even come into effect when determining his sentencing? If not--he could get off somewhat easy, he could be back to his old swimming hole in a few years or so...
:gant: Oh, let me dream. XD

Phantom Phoenix wrote:
But it doesn't actually state that he was executed does it?The only person that PW clearly says was executed was Joe Darke.


Only Darke was confirmed.. and a few others but none important to this topic.
Too lazy... hur hur.
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Oak Ridge, TN

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:58 pm

Posts: 141

SilverZephyr wrote:
Well, as charismatic, jolly, and fascinating as he is, Damon Gant is also 100% egotistical, which is dangerous with a person like him who isn't afraid to kill a person or two to get what he wants. Sure, people can change, but I think with as complete lack of empathy as he has isn't likely to suddenly have a change of heart. I can't claim to be terribly knowledgeable about psychology, but I'm pretty sure that for someone like him who has THAT little empathy can't just change. You can TRY to care, but you can't MAKE yourself care if that's the way your brain functions.

...Actually, this reminds me of something. There was a line in the third trial day that went something like this:

:gant: "Be tough on crime and tough on people! That's how I was raised."

This is sort of a stretch, but...it sort of makes you wonder what sort of family he had that he turned out to be such an outwardly cheerful, yet cold and sinister man. He's certainly fascinating, at any rate.

...Oh, and for the people who say that Gant is no doubt dead or imprisoned? This is PW. We have spirit mediums :sal:


Woah. Not a bad idea at all. They could have a crime that they figure out he knew something big about but never shared. Or another crime he committed before being taken to prison. It would be great if they put that in one of the manga or maybe a flashback case. I would love to see one of the spirit mediums do all his funny motions (clapping, staring, getting electrocuted, etc.).

But besides that, I think he could get off on being insane. Can anyone think of any way to bring him back through him being in a clinic? Maybe you can pay a visit to get some information from him. That's all I can think of for now.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Lolwut?

Gender: Female

Location: Florida

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Posts: 826

If Yanni can get off the hook for "insanity" reasons--why can't Gant? He was desperate enough to stop Darke--insanity could be a possibility. Besides, Gant is already off the deep end personality wise.

Sometimes I just think that the supposed "death sentence" for the defendant is just so Nick will be motivated to help out whomever. Between the guilty admitting to the crime(s) and whatnot whey might get off easier.

While I doubt that we'll see Gant again, it is really a shame to have such an awesome character go to waste.
Too lazy... hur hur.
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

The Law 'Shark'

Gender: None specified

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:43 pm

Posts: 565

I thouroughly agree...it was fun to go up against such an incredibly thought out character, even if he was conceived specifically for the DS release and is almost considered non-canon.
The only thing to have come out of case 5's resolution/existance was Ema skye.

As for the hypothetical...well, Gant was certainly quite the efficiant police chief, and a pretty good Image as far as his 'obvious' persona went. If he was to reappear, in whatever plothole/fashion, I think he'd probably most certainly be back on the opposite side of the law again as the overly charismatic leader of criminals...or even, dare I say it, a known contact of Shelly De Killer!

Gant's exit was a shame - Just watching his 'Pause...Hair twirl...CLAP' Pose was enough to crack a smile from me, as well as having the organ theme fade out, then go to 'Congratulations everybody' theme just to add to it.

Ah...Ganto ol' Boy, Wish we coulda swum with you longer! :gant:
Image
~Beware of the Shark - He'll bite!~
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Just for you Baki. can you marry me now?

Gender: Male

Location: Illinois

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:10 pm

Posts: 564

Gant.... did deserve to be convicted. But the game made it so you feel sympathy for this guy. It sounds funny, but Gant murdered... for justice.
Image
Image
Image
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

umm

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:11 am

Posts: 6

Maybe they have a case he oversaw as chief of police that he has exclusive information about, so they bring him in as a witness. He'd be in like jail clothes and there could be some sort of pressure because he was to be executed tomorrow, and if you couldn't get all the blank info out of him right there the case couldn't go on in your favor? I 'unno.

Judging by von Karma's presumed execution (implied by Franziska) and Dahlia's definite execution, it doesn't take very long to file through death row in the PW world, though.
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Science: It's cuter than ever

Gender: Female

Location: Michigan

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:25 am

Posts: 999

Personally I wish they would have a case where you play as Edgeworth during SL-9. More of Gant's deviousness without having to come up with some fancy explanation for why he isn't dead/in jail, plus more character development and plot development for one of the most interesting cases IMO.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

*headdesk*

Gender: Female

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:03 pm

Posts: 170

SilverZephyr wrote:
Gant is the type of character that, as sinister as he is, is hard to not respect.


In my opinion, he's hard not to love too. I kind of wish he hadn't done what he'd done.
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Idol of Polar Bears

Gender: Male

Location: Norcal

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:37 pm

Posts: 4353

You know I just thought of something.

Spoiler: 1-5 MAJOR spoilers
If Gant had cut out Neil's piece of cloth after he helped Lana forge the crime scene he would have gotten away scott-free. Ema would take the blame, both sisters would be found guilty of murder, and Gant would be just the same - free to go about his business and commit even more heinous crimes.

He should have just shoved Neil onto the armor, written Ema's name on the jar then shatter it, hidden the most legible part of the jar, helped Lana fabricate the crime scene by moving the bodies and planting the knife, then cut out the piece of cloth and stashed it away in his safe. That way all he would be accused of is evidence and crime scene forgery; not Neil Marshall's death. After all, no one could deny that the prints on the cloth really were Ema's.

Dumb mistake on his part I guess.

Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

nuuuuu, stoooooop

Gender: Female

Location: America

Rank: Admin

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:16 am

Posts: 5255

Teh Headbang wrote:
Gant.... did deserve to be convicted. But the game made it so you feel sympathy for this guy. It sounds funny, but Gant murdered... for justice.


No he didn't :P

He murdered Neil out of his own selfish desire for fame and advancement. If all he wanted was to prove Darke guilty of something, or to prevent him from hurting other people, there are a dozen ways he could have gone about it. He could have maybe stabbed Neil in a non-lethal area with Darke's switchblade. Maybe he could have just killed Darke all together and said it was self defense. But instead, he chose to MURDER A COMRADE for no reason other than the possibility that he could get a promotion from it.

I don't believe for a second that you can "reform" from that kind of blind insensitivity and selfishness. The fact that it even occured to him (if I murder this unconscious man, I might be able to blame it on Darke and become chief!) pretty much says how twisted he really is. He can say he's sorry, but he's already 65 years old. Can you recover from being a sick bastard for that long just by being caught?

I don't think so. I thought his giving up at the end was more of a copout than anything. And I don't think his hanging around after his case was finished would add anything positive to the series. Not only would it shatter any faith in the PW justice system anyone had left, but it'd just be kind of pointless.

He was an interesting villain. I don't think he'd be an interesting reformed villain.
ImageImage
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Struck by a blunt objection

Gender: Male

Location: Denmark

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:12 pm

Posts: 1472

Croik wrote:
Teh Headbang wrote:
Gant.... did deserve to be convicted. But the game made it so you feel sympathy for this guy. It sounds funny, but Gant murdered... for justice.


No he didn't :P

He murdered Neil out of his own selfish desire for fame and advancement. If all he wanted was to prove Darke guilty of something, or to prevent him from hurting other people, there are a dozen ways he could have gone about it. He could have maybe stabbed Neil in a non-lethal area with Darke's switchblade. Maybe he could have just killed Darke all together and said it was self defense. But instead, he chose to MURDER A COMRADE for no reason other than the possibility that he could get a promotion from it.

I don't believe for a second that you can "reform" from that kind of blind insensitivity and selfishness. The fact that it even occured to him (if I murder this unconscious man, I might be able to blame it on Darke and become chief!) pretty much says how twisted he really is. He can say he's sorry, but he's already 65 years old. Can you recover from being a sick bastard for that long just by being caught?

I don't think so. I thought his giving up at the end was more of a copout than anything. And I don't think his hanging around after his case was finished would add anything positive to the series. Not only would it shatter any faith in the PW justice system anyone had left, but it'd just be kind of pointless.

He was an interesting villain. I don't think he'd be an interesting reformed villain.


Actually, he was going to take over the job as chief even if that had never occurred. He says so in the game, and even get's it confirmed.

So he really had no other reason to do it besides taking over the PROSECUTION OFFICE :gant:
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Idol of Polar Bears

Gender: Male

Location: Norcal

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:37 pm

Posts: 4353

Mikker wrote:
Croik wrote:
Teh Headbang wrote:
Gant.... did deserve to be convicted. But the game made it so you feel sympathy for this guy. It sounds funny, but Gant murdered... for justice.


No he didn't :P

He murdered Neil out of his own selfish desire for fame and advancement. If all he wanted was to prove Darke guilty of something, or to prevent him from hurting other people, there are a dozen ways he could have gone about it. He could have maybe stabbed Neil in a non-lethal area with Darke's switchblade. Maybe he could have just killed Darke all together and said it was self defense. But instead, he chose to MURDER A COMRADE for no reason other than the possibility that he could get a promotion from it.

I don't believe for a second that you can "reform" from that kind of blind insensitivity and selfishness. The fact that it even occured to him (if I murder this unconscious man, I might be able to blame it on Darke and become chief!) pretty much says how twisted he really is. He can say he's sorry, but he's already 65 years old. Can you recover from being a sick bastard for that long just by being caught?

I don't think so. I thought his giving up at the end was more of a copout than anything. And I don't think his hanging around after his case was finished would add anything positive to the series. Not only would it shatter any faith in the PW justice system anyone had left, but it'd just be kind of pointless.

He was an interesting villain. I don't think he'd be an interesting reformed villain.


Actually, he was going to take over the job as chief even if that had never occurred. He says so in the game, and even get's it confirmed.

So he really had no other reason to do it besides taking over the PROSECUTION OFFICE :gant:


Well, the resolution of SL-9 sped up the process of him becoming chief so that was incentive (even if by just smidgen) for him to kill. But then again, he would have to be a psychotic genius to be able to think that far ahead. Given the circumstances, however, that's not unlikely.
Image
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title
User avatar

nuuuuu, stoooooop

Gender: Female

Location: America

Rank: Admin

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:16 am

Posts: 5255

Mikker wrote:
Actually, he was going to take over the job as chief even if that had never occurred. He says so in the game, and even get's it confirmed.

So he really had no other reason to do it besides taking over the PROSECUTION OFFICE :gant:


That only makes him worse!! :adrian:
ImageImage
Re: Damon Gant...Topic%20Title

Just for you Baki. can you marry me now?

Gender: Male

Location: Illinois

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:10 pm

Posts: 564

Croik wrote:
Teh Headbang wrote:
Gant.... did deserve to be convicted. But the game made it so you feel sympathy for this guy. It sounds funny, but Gant murdered... for justice.


No he didn't :P

He murdered Neil out of his own selfish desire for fame and advancement. If all he wanted was to prove Darke guilty of something, or to prevent him from hurting other people, there are a dozen ways he could have gone about it. He could have maybe stabbed Neil in a non-lethal area with Darke's switchblade. Maybe he could have just killed Darke all together and said it was self defense. But instead, he chose to MURDER A COMRADE for no reason other than the possibility that he could get a promotion from it.

I don't believe for a second that you can "reform" from that kind of blind insensitivity and selfishness. The fact that it even occured to him (if I murder this unconscious man, I might be able to blame it on Darke and become chief!) pretty much says how twisted he really is. He can say he's sorry, but he's already 65 years old. Can you recover from being a sick bastard for that long just by being caught?

I don't think so. I thought his giving up at the end was more of a copout than anything. And I don't think his hanging around after his case was finished would add anything positive to the series. Not only would it shatter any faith in the PW justice system anyone had left, but it'd just be kind of pointless.

He was an interesting villain. I don't think he'd be an interesting reformed villain.


You're right, The main reason was to rise to power. but I think he also did it to catch Darke at the same time. Gant and lana had been after this guy for a long time. They were getting desperate.
Image
Image
Image
Image
Page 1 of 1 [ 28 posts ] 
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  

 Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby

Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
Jump to:  
News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list
Powered by phpBB

phpBB SEO