Edgeworth is boring, and overated.
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Firstly, exactly... how many cases has this guy played a major role in through GS1-3? Well, let's see...
Spoiler: GS1-3 minor spoilers
I'm totally sick of this guy. He's one of the most popular characters in the series, and you can tell he's used a lot.
Secondly, this guy just has random developments out of the blue. In the first game, He was a evil, demonic prosecutor who was only after a guilty verdict. Then, in case 4, he gets all sad, deep, and acts as if he's your best friend. Then, we go to case 5, and he's back to being demonic again, just less so than before. Then, what's this?
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Can't he just find ONE personality? It's really stale. Believe it or not, I think Edgeworth is a average character. Nothing special.
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I understand that's how you feel and I can't blame you to a certain degree.
I, honestly, found the change of personalities to add a nice twist to his character. He just has it to higher degree when compared to the other characters like Adrian. That could cause it to be a bit boring but it all depends on how you see it.
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I don't see any interest in Edgeworth. He's a generic "life rival who was once a friend." >.>
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Teh Headbang wrote:
Before all you extreme Edgeworth fans get all crazy at me, just pay attention to what I'm saying.
Firstly, exactly... how many cases has this guy played a major role in through GS1-3? Well, let's see...
Firstly, exactly... how many cases has this guy played a major role in through GS1-3? Well, let's see...
Spoiler: GS1-3 minor spoilers
Phoenix is in 13 cases.
Your point?
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I'm totally sick of this guy. He's one of the most popular characters in the series, and you can tell he's used a lot.
This is true.
So you dislike him because he's popular?
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Secondly, this guy just has random developments out of the blue.
No. Not out of the blue.
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In the first game, He was a evil, demonic prosecutor who was only after a guilty verdict.
This is also true.
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Then, in case 4, he gets all sad, deep,
Because he's dealing with a lot of issues.
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and acts as if he's your best friend.
That's because he IS.
Without case 3, he would have seemed to have had a random personality change, but case 3 offered a gradual transformation.
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Then, we go to case 5, and he's back to being demonic again, just less so than before.
No. He was not demonic. At all.
Care to tell me WHERE he was demonic?
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Then, what's this?
Spoiler: GS2 spoilers
I really don't get your point. What do you mean "helping you yet trying to hurt you?" He's not on anyone's "side." He's there to find the truth. That's all. So he makes sure BOTH sides know all the available information and makes sure all points are brought up in court as well as thoroughly debated so the right person gets convicted.
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Can't he just find ONE personality? It's really stale. Believe it or not, I think Edgeworth is a average character. Nothing special.
I still have no idea what your point is. Is it really too unlikable of a character to develop? He didn't just randomly change personalities all the time like you seem to be trying to make him out to be. He gradually changed his outlook.
It's fine if you don't like him. You're perfectly entitled to and I could see how people could find him boring, although I personally don't. But I still don't get why YOU don't like him. You haven't really given much in the way of reasons, at least not anything that really made sense.
On an unrelated note: The first person who comes in here all "ZOMG HOW COULD U HATE EDGEWORTH *insert random fangirling and bashing here*" will be shot on sight. By me. And probably several others as well.
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All in all? I don't exactly hate him like you do, and I do think he is an ok character that shouldn't have to be bashed by some stupid person who probably hasn't even played all the games. But I can see where you are tyring to come from. He is a bit too popular for my liking. You just didn't word your rant out as well as you should've.
You may not see it, but I did find his character development very interesting.
But Personally? I am tired of the fangirls, too. As well as some of their stupid OC's/Mary sues that pair themselves up with him.
he's becoming a big Mary-sue bait.. As well as Kyouya and Kirihito, but that's another topic. >.>
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Deefunx wrote:
Slitt-o-tron 5000, making all those Mary-Sue Edgeworth pairings redundant.
Just wait until the fandom gets bigger. It will become more redundant and common to bump into. D<
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Edgeworth is a deep, complex character with layers of emotion with a troubled past. In fact, Edgeworth ran from his past until he no longer could outrun it, and it had to be confronted (Case 4, game 1). Once Edgeworth dealt with his past, he was a changed man; a lot of dread and misery subsided because all that happened in the past was done and settled, and now he could continue living as the man he once was before he became the "demon" prosecutor.
That's putting it as simply as I can without going into detail. He's also a character that evoked all kinds of emotions from me, especially sympathy. Popularity really has no bearing on what kind of character he is. Regardless of being popular or not popular, I find him to be an interesting character as many do.
It's Edgeworth's sort of transforming personality that makes him such a deep character. Edgeworth plays your rival and enemy, but you realize that he does actually care for you, and there's quite a deal more to him than just that. The game takes you for a few spins on that one, though. It's his unpredictability and character flaws that make him probably the most realistically "human" character out of all. Edgeworth recognizes his flaw, and he transforms because of it, sort of playing a "tragic hero" that one reads about in literature.
A character that goes through little change is hardly a character at all.
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Well, at least he's not like Vegeta or some other anime-like character along those lines. To me he's one of the most amazing, deep, and complex rival characters ever created; which is saying a lot because many of those types generally degrade into wimpy, whiny, "I LOST MY FAMILY SO I MUST TAEK REVENGE WAAAAAAAAAH" kinds. He gets sympathy and respect because that's what he deserves for all he's gone through and he doesn't let the past bog him down. I can't think of anyone else who deserves as much as he does.
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But he is overrated to me, just because I like some of the other characters better :3 Plus, I don't see him as the sort of guy who'd be 'shipped' XD
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Morinozuka Takashi wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Well, at least he's not like Vegeta or some other anime-like character along those lines. To me he's one of the most amazing, deep, and complex rival characters ever created; which is saying a lot because many of those types generally degrade into wimpy, whiny, "I LOST MY FAMILY SO I MUST TAEK REVENGE WAAAAAAAAAH" kinds. He gets sympathy and respect because that's what he deserves for all he's gone through and he doesn't let the past bog him down. I can't think of anyone else who deserves as much as he does.
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Mind you, if they show character development they're awesome. If not, they suck and can go die in a fire. It's as simple as that.
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What I'm trying to get across is that Edgeworth is the focus of the game far too much. He has TOO MANY devlopments. Not saying they're all bad and unfounded, but there's just so much of it. For those saying that "phoenix is in 13 cases". Phoenix should be gone, too. I want more room for Odoroki in the spotlight.
Oh, so that's what you were trying to say! I understand what you mean now.
Still, while I too agree that Phoenix has held the spotlight for a long time he should still be held in reference from time to time. After all, without him there wouldn't be the Phoenix Wright series that we have come to know and love.
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Yup. Agreed.
Which is why I can tolerate Edgeworth and he made me realize that he was more than just a snarky, pretty boy. Unlike the certain ones you and I can think of.
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It's the mary-sue fangirls that make me afraid to admit I like Edgeworth. I think his uncanny ability to attract them is really his worst quality.
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Teh Headbang wrote:
What I'm trying to get across is that Edgeworth is the focus of the game far too much. He has TOO MANY devlopments. Not saying they're all bad and unfounded, but there's just so much of it. For those saying that "phoenix is in 13 cases". Phoenix should be gone, too. I want more room for Odoroki in the spotlight.
Ah, okay, I misunderstood your earlier post.
Well, the fact is that Edgeworth is a main character. Of course he was in a lot of the series. He's probably the second-most main character. I understand if you don't want too many reappearing characters to make way for new characters, but that's just the way PW is.
...Although I agree about GS4. New main character should have new supporting cast. ><;
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but srsly, if ya like him or not, fine, just... don't be all 'ZOMG EDGEWORTH IS OVERUSED'; it is rather bothersome, my good sir
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Teh Headbang wrote:
But I find the the fact people like edgeworth so much that they want "Miles Edgeworth: Ace Attorney" is stupid. He's not that great. We've had enough of him. Time to move on.
AH! So you're the kinda guy who doesn't like repetition at ALL.
In fact the moment Odoroki gets 3 games we should just abandon him and go onto some completely different franchise all together right?
Why have Edgeworth DEVELOP when we could just scrap him and introduce a completely new character right? No. Sorry but that's the stereotypical marketing strategy of simply replacing bad guys every time you defeat them. I agree that over-fandom (or fanboyism/fangirlism, what have you) is bad but simply sacking a character for no good reason is just as bad.
Let's look at the three prosecutors of GS's Phoenix Arc.
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was our first. He was cruel and seemed completely uncaring to anything but we slowly began to see that he was more of a pained individual that was given an obscured sense of justice from a cruel and uncaring man.
... really didn't provide anything more then being the "Big Baddie" of PW1.
Was like her father and Edgeworth in that she was willing to do anything to get a Guilty verdict but this didn't come from a black heart (like her dad) or from an obscured sense of justice like Edgeworth. Her willingness to do anything to get a guilty verdict was from being the daughter of a famous prosecutor, despite the fact she was a prodigy she still felt that she didn't live up to Edgeworth (who probably received more support from Manfred, causing her to try and prover herself superior to him) so she felt that if she could defeat Phoenix then she could prove herself finally.When Edgeworth confronts Fransezka we see that she, like Adrian Andrews, has some definite weaknesses underneath her and covers them up by acting strong.
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It's with this we see that each and every prosecutor of PW is complex in their motives and overall morals (save for Manfred who's just an ass) and we can see them as characters rather then sprites on a DS screen.
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I liked the idea of the GS1-4 developments, that gave you a close look to the inside of what your enemy is really like, but why, then, does he go back to being the same guy he was in case 2 and 3? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Also, don't tell me all the prosecutors are really that different.
The two forms of PW prosecutor are essentially this.
A. Revenge-bent evil person out to beat phoenix/other major character.
B. Ruthless, evil prosecutor out to get a guilty verdict no matter what.
C. Both.
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But, it almost seems that in GS2 he re-learns the same thing from the first game. That he should work together with the defense to find the real truth.
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And in GS2 he wasn't relearning it. He was just telling us and showing us that he had learned it. It probably made more sense before there was a case 5 and we hadn't gotten an opportunity to see him transformed in a court setting.
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