Like I said- " I don't have any basis for it, I just can't picture it not being that way."

Given the cannon material he shows absolutely no signs of being gay whatsoever. And in fact there is WAY more evidence toward him being strait. Especially in Dual Destinies.

Ucha!
First of all, I said I didn't have any basis for it, that was the whole reason I even brought it up. And honestly I've never seen any evidence of him being straight. The closest thing I can think of is when he chomps the lotus root Juniper gve him just like that to show his gratitude, and the fact that he saved her, but no... I don't see it.

And now I'm gonna contradict my own words and say I see hints of him liking men or rather a man. Because it's like this: my headcanon of Apollo being gay came without any particular reason while I was playing AJ because I'd heard people ship him with Klavier and I thought "Well, I don't think he likes Klavier like that but he might be gay" and then the thought just stuck. However as I progressed in the game I saw hints of him being, perhaps not in love but attracted to Klavier; the reason I don't say I have any basis for Apollo liking men is because I don't feel like discussing it as it's mainly a gut feeling for me and not based on said basis.

However, what I can think of now is: Apollo, in Klavier's words "inspecting" him (but that may just as well be because he reminded him of Kristoph), the "what's 'hard'?!" comment, "even more dazzling to look at now" and in Turnabout Quiz when he sai only Klavier was allowed to call him "Herr Forehead", then he was quick to say that he didn't like Klavier calling him that either, to which Phoenix, amused, responded something along the lines of ok, calm down.

Then again, I don't feel like discussing hints, "evidence" or whatever of his sexuality, even though I guess I already am, becaus it's mainly gut feeling for me. A strong gut feeling, but still. (And yes, I will ignore what was in the spoiler tag because I definitely don't think of him and Clay like that.)

One person's gut feeling is that Apollo is gay.
One person's gut feeling is that Apollo is straight.
Why is that even worth debating?

To be fair, a good chunk of this thread appears to be based on gut feelings ("list format" replies with little to no explanation or evidence).

Though I understand some of the replies are meant as jokes as well.

My point exactly! It's based on gut feelings, why bashing one another's gut feelings and crave "evidence"?

Yes, that's true!

Hm. I, myself, think it feels a little bit forced, to make characters like Phoenix or Apollo homosexual... or like I saw earlier, almost half of the cast =.=' (even the ones that had confirmed heterosexual relationships!)

the only living, canon couple is the DeLites.

I need to stop getting into these arguments, but I still don't get why this is such a contentious topic. If you are straight: 98% of media representation is already yours. You can turn on the TV, open a book, play any games you want, and you are almost guaranteed to find someone like you. Gay and bisexual people do not have that, and so, a lot of the time, people will project their own sexualities onto characters they relate to.

So what if someone thinks Apollo is gay? So what if someone thinks Phoenix is closeted/bisexual? How does that affect your life, or your enjoyment of the games? If the insinuation that a character you like may not be straight, especially if that insinuation is only the headcanon of someone on the internet, offends you... that says more about your over-investment and insecurities than it does theirs, I think.

There are actual gay people in the world that identify with characters that aren't skinny, camp gay boys. Sexuality headcanons are not intrinsically out of character, because personality and sexual preference have nothing to do with eachother. Sexuality headcanons serve more of a purpose than fetishistic straight women wanting to think about two hot men, or skeevy straight men wanting to think about two hot women. Gay and bisexual people exist, and they aren't all obvious stereotypes.

Ace Attorney isn't even highly romance-focused to begin with; the only living, canon couple is the DeLites. Almost everything else is extrapolation. Let it go. It doesn't affect you, and it helps some people feel better about themselves. Let it go.

Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry for writing a lengthy post. So very sorry. Actually, you got back three sentences for your two, that is the first part, the rest of it was just me drifting away in my own thoughts about the matter. And I can assure you I'm not a yaoi fangirl, nor do I want Apollo to be gay for my own pleasure, I just really think he is.

Ucha! I can imagine.

Nearavex! This whole thread is based on intuition and probably, in some cases, prejudice. No one is "making" anyone anything.

Coyote! I love you and worship you.

If there are no canon evidence it's just as forced as making him (Apollo, because Phoenix is clearly attracted to women) heterosexual. But I don't feel like discussing this and tossing points and get points tossed at me because Miles and that other person who's name I forgot already did that. Shalom. Bye.

Nearavex! This whole thread is based on intuition and probably, in some cases, prejudice. No one is "making" anyone anything.

Why do you react this way to the way I feel about these headcanons? I just don't like them and that's all, I don't see why you should react so defensively.

If I'm odd for expressing my Affection! *desk slam* and admiration for the eloquence of people I don't know - the hell I'll be odd. No harm in that.

I need to stop getting into these arguments, but I still don't get why this is such a contentious topic. If you are straight: 98% of media representation is already yours. You can turn on the TV, open a book, play any games you want, and you are almost guaranteed to find someone like you. Gay and bisexual people do not have that, and so, a lot of the time, people will project their own sexualities onto characters they relate to.

So what if someone thinks Apollo is gay? So what if someone thinks Phoenix is closeted/bisexual? How does that affect your life, or your enjoyment of the games? If the insinuation that a character you like may not be straight, especially if that insinuation is only the headcanon of someone on the internet, offends you... that says more about your over-investment and insecurities than it does theirs, I think.

There are actual gay people in the world that identify with characters that aren't skinny, camp gay boys. Sexuality headcanons are not intrinsically out of character, because personality and sexual preference have nothing to do with eachother. Sexuality headcanons serve more of a purpose than fetishistic straight women wanting to think about two hot men, or skeevy straight men wanting to think about two hot women. Gay and bisexual people exist, and they aren't all obvious stereotypes.

Ace Attorney isn't even highly romance-focused to begin with; the only living, canon couple is the DeLites. Almost everything else is extrapolation. Let it go. It doesn't affect you, and it helps some people feel better about themselves. Let it go.

Oh my dearest dear, looking at this thread from the outside it has become such hits-and-misses in every direction it wasn't even fun anymore but now it's almost getting fun again because of it. And this entire charade has its origins in a stupid post (made by me nonetheless) about Ron and Dessie being swingers. And my bad yet wonderful pun about Juniper eing pollyamorous nearly got wasted between it all.

btw, er....I have straight privilege and if I am speaking over or for LGBT people, please let me know because I don't want to do that.

And now for something completely different... Tyrell Badd! My guess for Badd is that he once had a sexual orientation, but during the years his disinterest for sex and romance has set so deeply within him that now even he himself has forgotten what it was.

And now for something completely different... Tyrell Badd! My guess for Badd is that he once had a sexual orientation, but during the years his disinterest for sex and romance has set so deeply within him that now even he himself has forgotten what it was.