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Ehh, but she "helped" him...well, not really, but she was technically there...


Oh, come on, if you remember an advice someone gave you in the past just when you need it, it doesn't mean they were there. Well, maybe they should get credited too though. :eh?:
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Cappuccino wrote:
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Ehh, but she "helped" him...well, not really, but she was technically there...


Oh, come on, if you remember an advice someone gave you in the past just when you need it, it doesn't mean they were there. Well, maybe they should get credited too though. :eh?:


True, true. But it makes me wonder why it had to be in there.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
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Ehh, but she "helped" him...well, not really, but she was technically there...


Oh, come on, if you remember an advice someone gave you in the past just when you need it, it doesn't mean they were there. Well, maybe they should get credited too though. :eh?:


True, true. But it makes me wonder why it had to be in there.


Because the makers knew that Mia's big boobs made people happy, even they only got a little screen time.* ;^)



*eh I dunno. But I don't like to do a case without a Fey in it.

EDIT: Oh yeah Wright vs Gavin.

I reckon Phoenix would win, even if all on his lonesome. He should have years of experience by then... hopefully.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Notice how Pearl wasn't even there for Recipe for Turnabout; she simply wasn't needed for anything. In fact, the Feys wouldn't have been needed at all, if it weren't for the waitress schtick.


Funny how that's the case where he lied to the court and presented faulty evidence. When Mia's not around Phoenix pulls his riskiest legal stunts :yogi:
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If all it is is Phoenix, Klavier, and "real" evidence, you can't predict a winner beforehand. Only the truth can tell who the winner would be.

yes but is Klavier then the Klavier that we know??? do he want now a guilty verdict en not the truth????
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Wrestler Hatman wrote:
It depends on who's the culprit.

If the culprit is Phoenix's client, Klavier wins before the trial is even started.


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Depends on the case. It's the truth that counts, not the lawyer.


Yes, because this is how law really works.
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Shelly de Killer wrote:
Wrestler Hatman wrote:
It depends on who's the culprit.

If the culprit is Phoenix's client, Klavier wins before the trial is even started.


CyberSkye wrote:
Depends on the case. It's the truth that counts, not the lawyer.


Yes, because this is how law really works.


We're not talking about how "law" works, we're talking about how "games" work.
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Well, actually getting on topic, I'd say that it'd be a prolonged trial (three day trial) but Phoenix wins in the end.

Oh, and

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Notice how Pearl wasn't even there for Recipe for Turnabout; she simply wasn't needed for anything. In fact, the Feys wouldn't have been needed at all, if it weren't for the waitress schtick.


Funny how that's the case where he lied to the court and presented faulty evidence. When Mia's not around Phoenix pulls his riskiest legal stunts :yogi:


Funny how the next time he got a little risky (though it wasn't technically his fault), he lost his badge. Poor Mia, she was probably turning over in her grave.
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Croik wrote:
Shelly de Killer wrote:
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It depends on who's the culprit.

If the culprit is Phoenix's client, Klavier wins before the trial is even started.


CyberSkye wrote:
Depends on the case. It's the truth that counts, not the lawyer.


Yes, because this is how law really works.


We're not talking about how "law" works, we're talking about how "games" work.

yes we talk about the games of ace attorney. not about the law.
but as there come a second Phoenix Wright V.S. Klavier gavin hat i thinks there come a problem. i thinks it's then the last case of a game.
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yes we talk about the games of ace attorney. not about the law.
but as there come a second Phoenix Wright V.S. Klavier gavin hat i thinks there come a problem. i thinks it's then the last case of a game.

Games involving primarily the LAW, right?
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From what other people are saying, I don't think Phoenix vs. The Devil (what C-R calls "Klavier") is too much different of a question than Phoenix vs. Edgeworth.
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Shelly de Killer wrote:
phoenixwrightmaster wrote:
yes we talk about the games of ace attorney. not about the law.
but as there come a second Phoenix Wright V.S. Klavier gavin hat i thinks there come a problem. i thinks it's then the last case of a game.

Games involving primarily the LAW, right?


But, as I'm sure you know, the law in PW and the law in the real world aren't that much alike (at least in America).

And I do not refer to Klavier as the Devil. I quite like him, actually.
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I was saying I refer to Klavier as the Devil, but the rest of C-R, including you, refer to Klavier as Klavier.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
I was saying I refer to Klavier as the Devil, but the rest of C-R, including you, refer to Klavier as Klavier.


Read it wrong, sorry.

I do like the comparison I can think of between Companion Cube and Klavier.
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I do like the comparison I can think of between Companion Cube and Klavier.


I would like to hear it. :godot:
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I read the name of this topic and this is the first thing that came to my mind..



MORTAL COMBAT!
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DoMaya wrote:

MORTAL COMBAT!


Yes! Yes! Yes! Epic Win!

*clears throat*

In both respects, Phoenix Wright will win.

Why? Because he has had four games based around him. How many has Gavin had?

Also, Phoenix Wright = amazingly awesome MK character.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
From what other people are saying, I don't think Phoenix vs. The Devil (what C-R calls "Klavier") is too much different of a question than Phoenix vs. Edgeworth.

yes your right. but we talk now about 2 totaly different prosecutor's.
and why you hate klavier??????????
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
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I do like the comparison I can think of between Companion Cube and Klavier.


I would like to hear it. :godot:


The Companion Cube is a lot like Klavier becuase each of them were used. Like you and the Cube, Kristoph and Klavier were close (brothers, in their case). Eventually though, one had to start using the other to get to higher ground while sometimes leaving the other practically below him/her. Even though, they still loved each other. They still helped each other in some way.

Then, things start to go haywire. Suddenly, some event happens. A voice tells you, and one tells Kristoph, that they must try and destroy them (Physically and mentally, respectively). However, you succeed, but Kristoph fails, and gets the tables turned on him.

There's probably more, but this is enough for now.
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With their M.Os, it's obvious that if the client was guilty, they would be found guilty, and vice-versa.
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read everyone what i say????
what if klavier is not more the klavier from gs4???????
what if is is changed in manfred the second????
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I'm reading it, and not understanding a word...
Where did Manfred come in?
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read everyone what i say????
what if klavier is not more the klavier from gs4???????
what if is is changed in manfred the second????
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Hm, I see what you're saying, "What if instead of being the truth-seeker from GS4, what if an event happens in future games to turn him into the exact opposite, a guy who bends the rules and manipulates witnesses and evidence to get defendants found guilty."

Considering how bored I got with Klavier as prosecutor, I think this would be a very interesting spin on his character. It could be that Apollo, not being used to dealing with ruthless prosecutors, gets his first loss from this new Klavier, and it's not until later that Phoenix clashes against him in a later trial that the glimerous fop realizes the mistakes he made.

Makes me wonder what exactly they could do to convert Klavier into this kind of persona...

...

I think I'm enjoying this idea a little too much. :uramidn:
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phoenixwrightmaster wrote:
read everyone what i say????
what if klavier is not more the klavier from gs4???????
what if is is changed in manfred the second????
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You are aware of how little sense this makes, right?
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
phoenixwrightmaster wrote:
read everyone what i say????
what if klavier is not more the klavier from gs4???????
what if is is changed in manfred the second????
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You are aware of how little sense this makes, right?

no it makes sense.
as klavier not seek for the truth but only want a guilty verdict than can it be that if the defendant is not guilty thee defendant be declared guilty.
it makes really sense as klavier is like manfred
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phoenixwrightmaster wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
phoenixwrightmaster wrote:
read everyone what i say????
what if klavier is not more the klavier from gs4???????
what if is is changed in manfred the second????
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:karma:

You are aware of how little sense this makes, right?

no it makes sense.
as klavier not seek for the truth but only want a guilty verdict than can it be that if the defendant is not guilty thee defendant be declared guilty.
it makes really sense as klavier is like manfred


Right... his personality suddenly making a complete 180 makes perfect sense. assuming this game will be set one year later, then there is no way. ever.


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Someone's personality making a whole 180 in one year could happen, highly unlikely but with very severe trauma it could happen. For example take an idealist and torture them, have the people closest to them (not nessesarily all of them but quite a few) either betray them or be killed, perhaps by other people close to them, show them the horrors of war/ the worst of mankind giving lots of examples, and also burn their house down (if t hasn't been done by a traitor), then see what they're like. Yeah very unlikely that all of these things would be done but, they could happen within a year.

Even though I doubt Klavier would make a whole 180 in a year or even at all it could happen.
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Someone's personality making a whole 180 in one year could happen, highly unlikely but with very severe trauma it could happen. For example take an idealist and torture them, have the people closest to them (not nessesarily all of them but quite a few) either betray them or be killed, perhaps by other people close to them, show them the horrors of war/ the worst of mankind giving lots of examples, and also burn their house down (if t hasn't been done by a traitor), then see what they're like. Yeah very unlikely that all of these things would be done but, they could happen within a year.

Even though I doubt Klavier would make a whole 180 in a year or even at all it could happen.

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Yeah, that was just me being mean, anyways my point is that a person could become their own opposite in a year if something like their life becoming a living hell occured.
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Yeah, that was just me being mean, anyways my point is that a person could become their own opposite in a year if something like their life becoming a living hell occured.

Regardless, the odds are incredibly low, and that was a very, very random idea. Whilst not impossible, it is highly improbable.
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My point exactly one in a billion is a whole lot more likely than zero.
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My point exactly one in a billion is a whole lot more likely than zero.

While that may be true, by that logic Klavier could also decide to wear a bunnygirl outfit for the entire of GS5. My point, really, is that Klavier suddenly becoming von Karma Jr. is a pointlessly random, irrelevent and frankly crazy idea. unless the writers all become addicted to LSD, THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
unless the writers all become addicted to LSD,


*looks at cases 4-3 and 4-4*

Are you sure they aren't already? :yogi:
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unless the writers all become addicted to LSD,


*looks at cases 4-3 and 4-4*

Are you sure they aren't already? :yogi:

I didn't see any pink unicorns in GS4, so presumably not.
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Yeah, that was just me being mean, anyways my point is that a person could become their own opposite in a year if something like their life becoming a living hell occured.

Regardless, the odds are incredibly low, and that was a very, very random idea. Whilst not impossible, it is highly improbable.


I don't see it as that unlikely to be honest.
Both Klavier's best friend and brother have gone to jail and his band has split up. The game didn't really focus on these aspects of the story very much, but it would definitely effect him. I could see him (potentially) get rather bitter in the next game.
It would be interesting to see some character development that isn't positive for a change, and it would certainly spice up Klavier's (rather dull) personality.
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Yeah, that was just me being mean, anyways my point is that a person could become their own opposite in a year if something like their life becoming a living hell occured.

Regardless, the odds are incredibly low, and that was a very, very random idea. Whilst not impossible, it is highly improbable.


I don't see it as that unlikely to be honest.
Both Klavier's best friend and brother have gone to jail and his band has split up. The game didn't really focus on these aspects of the story very much, but it would definitely effect him. I could see him (potentially) get rather bitter in the next game.
It would be interesting to see some character development that isn't positive for a change, and it would certainly spice up Klavier's (rather dull) personality.

I can see your point, but i doubt it would do much more than make him as pissed off as he was on the first day of 4-3. We'd just see more of that. Not, say, Manfred the 2nd.
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But if he was like that all the time, do you really think he'd have any friends? Personally, I don't, I would stay away from that kind of person.

Now if he has no friends we can assume this will make him even more bitter, it kind of gets into a viscous chain of events designed to make him a villain.

Now maybe I should make an arguement on why he could end up in bunnygirl outfit.
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They're both awesome...
But since Gavin cares about getting the correct person convicted, and the defendent in these games are always innocent...
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[quote="Lind_L_Tailor]Right... his personality suddenly making a complete 180 makes perfect sense. assuming this game will be set one year later, then there is no way. ever.[/quote]

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[quote="NoseI don't see it as that unlikely to be honest.
Both Klavier's best friend and brother have gone to jail and his band has split up. The game didn't really focus on these aspects of the story very much, but it would definitely effect him. I could see him (potentially) get rather bitter in the next game.
It would be interesting to see some character development that isn't positive for a change, and it would certainly spice up Klavier's (rather dull) personality.[/quote]

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