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Edgey's role in the Jurist system
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I then thought about Edgey's personal belief, that 'everything starts with the truth'
After a while I came up with...
'Onlooker has Major Epiphaneous Experience', end quote.Edgey may have played a role in the introduction of the Jurist system!
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thekalbie wrote:
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH............ Maybe but highly unlikely since he was not in GS4
Just because he wasn't seen doesn't mean he didn't do anything. Although, I do agree that it is highly unlikely, with him and his
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So my guess is that he gave Phoenix the clearance to do it. Otherwise, I doubt he has little to no role in the formation and maintenance of the JS.
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THAT IS MY THEORY (or at least, what I choose to believe as canon until GS5 comes out and hopefully continues this storyline).
I like to think that Edgeworth didn't completely ditch Phoenix after he lost his badge. I mean Phoenix acquitted him from a murder charge for goodness sake, you don't just ignore someone who does that for you. And I think that Edgeworth still has a lot of faith in Phoenix and knows that he's really not a bad guy.
So I imagine that Edgeworth has been working behind the scenes to help bring the Jurist system to fruition; after all, he was first the one to start saying how screwed up the country's court system was, in PWAA:TAT.
That would make me so ridiculously happy if this was canon. it'd show that Edgeworth isn't a total jerkwad : D
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
What gave you that idea? Have you been licking the white powder under the hat again?
Not licking.
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Harry Miste wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
What gave you that idea? Have you been licking the white powder under the hat again?
Not licking.
Well, it was a reference to how Trucy said she licked some, thinking it was sugar.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Harry Miste wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
What gave you that idea? Have you been licking the white powder under the hat again?
Not licking.
Well, it was a reference to how Trucy said she licked some, thinking it was sugar.
Now we have drug refferences in our topics 8D YAY
so....
yeah, I think Edgeworth -might- make an appearance....
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Seishin1 wrote:
It could be possible. I mean, how can Phoenix himself can change the judicial system? He can't do all by himself.
After all:
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efaj wrote:
Seishin1 wrote:
It could be possible. I mean, how can Phoenix himself can change the judicial system? He can't do all by himself.
After all:
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Naw, the secret investigation was in Turnabout Big Top (2-3)
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Harry Miste wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
What gave you that idea? Have you been licking the white powder under the hat again?
Not licking.
Well, it was a reference to how Trucy said she licked some, thinking it was sugar.
Uhh... I think we're not on the same page here.
it's sugar alright, just the bad kind
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Seishin1 wrote:
It could be possible. I mean, how can Phoenix himself can change the judicial system? He can't do all by himself.
Well yeah, he probably didn't do it alone. But why would he necessarily need
?It could have been anyone that helped him
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Harry Miste wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Well, it was a reference to how Trucy said she licked some, thinking it was sugar.
Uhh... I think we're not on the same page here.
it's sugar alright, just the bad kind
OK, i'm not the most heavily medicated person on earth, so forgive me if i'm not sure which drug, if any, you are referring to.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Harry Miste wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Well, it was a reference to how Trucy said she licked some, thinking it was sugar.
Uhh... I think we're not on the same page here.
it's sugar alright, just the bad kind
OK, i'm not the most heavily medicated person on earth, so forgive me if i'm not sure which drug, if any, you are referring to.
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Why necesarily Edgey? well, there's no reason, but he is the most probable: Definitely it couldn't had been Larry
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efaj wrote:
I think it was the blueprint powder PW had, not sugar nor any kind of drug. (though I think Trucy had thought it was sugar)
Why necesarily Edgey? well, there's no reason, but he is the most probable: Definitely it couldn't had been Larry
Why necesarily Edgey? well, there's no reason, but he is the most probable: Definitely it couldn't had been Larry
Harry Miste wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
What gave you that idea? Have you been licking the white powder under the hat again?
Not licking.
That was the drug reference. And PW had aluminum powder.
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Harry Miste wrote:
efaj wrote:
I think it was the blueprint powder PW had, not sugar nor any kind of drug. (though I think Trucy had thought it was sugar)
Why necesarily Edgey? well, there's no reason, but he is the most probable: Definitely it couldn't had been Larry
Why necesarily Edgey? well, there's no reason, but he is the most probable: Definitely it couldn't had been Larry
Harry Miste wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
What gave you that idea? Have you been licking the white powder under the hat again?
Not licking.
That was the drug reference. And PW had aluminum powder.
OK, I knew Apollo Justice was making reference to cocaine, I just didn't know if that was what you meant by "bad sugar".
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Phoenix has been disbarred thanks for forged evidence, yet he's somehow allowed to overhaul the legal system? His name wasn't cleared until midway through the final day when Kristoph vaguely confessed to what he did.
I don't know if the writers had another idea in mind that'll be revealed in a future game, if they simply overloooked the matter, or if they just didn't feel like mentioning it, but currently it's one of the biggest plotholes in the game.
Hopefully if the writers care at all about their story making sense they'll bring this up during the next game. >_>
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DarkWobbuffet wrote:
I agree that Edgeworth helped Phoenix set up the jurist system, mainly because at this point, it's the only thing that makes sense!
Phoenix has been disbarred thanks for forged evidence, yet he's somehow allowed to overhaul the legal system? His name wasn't cleared until midway through the final day when Kristoph vaguely confessed to what he did.
I don't know if the writers had another idea in mind that'll be revealed in a future game, if they simply overloooked the matter, or if they just didn't feel like mentioning it, but currently it's one of the biggest plotholes in the game.
Hopefully if the writers care at all about their story making sense they'll bring this up during the next game. >_>
Phoenix has been disbarred thanks for forged evidence, yet he's somehow allowed to overhaul the legal system? His name wasn't cleared until midway through the final day when Kristoph vaguely confessed to what he did.
I don't know if the writers had another idea in mind that'll be revealed in a future game, if they simply overloooked the matter, or if they just didn't feel like mentioning it, but currently it's one of the biggest plotholes in the game.
Hopefully if the writers care at all about their story making sense they'll bring this up during the next game. >_>
Actually, I don't think the jurist system was Nick's idea. I'm pretty sure he was just hired, considering that the Judge spoke of considering the legal system at the end of 4-3.
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I know for sure that Miles had absolutely nothing to do with the Jursit system at all. It doesn't make sense since he's probably in Europe. Not to mention he hasn't talked to anybody for the past 7 years and only mentioned Maya as "that kid". He was in isolation by the looks of it.
Miles still being in Europe is still only specuation. As for Phoenix not talking to anyone in the past 7 years, as has been repeated in other threads that is not a certainty either. The amount of contact Phoenix has with any of the past characters is all up to fan interpretation.
Personally I like to think that Edgeworth helped Phoenix set everything up, being the concerned friend he is, but was as hands off as he could be (which is why he didn't make an appearance). I don't think he would have approved of Phoenix's antics in 4-1 or the state of "hoboness" he adopted. Maybe he helped out of a sense of obligation?
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I was only really thinking that there was a comittee, and I was drawing up the members, and it makes sense that Edgey would be on this Jurist System comitee.
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Croik wrote:
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I know for sure that Miles had absolutely nothing to do with the Jursit system at all. It doesn't make sense since he's probably in Europe. Not to mention he hasn't talked to anybody for the past 7 years and only mentioned Maya as "that kid". He was in isolation by the looks of it.
Personally I like to think that Edgeworth helped Phoenix set everything up, being the concerned friend he is, but was as hands off as he could be (which is why he didn't make an appearance). I don't think he would have approved of Phoenix's antics in 4-1 or the state of "hoboness" he adopted. Maybe he helped out of a sense of obligation?
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If Miles helped Phoenix with the system, it would definitely be a huge risk for him. We know that he "forged" as well without knowing for himself. This would make Phoenix's attempt to change the system even more difficult and it would look crooked to his critics who already know that he's a fraud after his last trial. I agree that he wouldn't approve of his antics in 4-1 but as Klavier said in the last case "The law is not absolute." which, to me IMO, leads to question what justice is. I think that despite what Phoenix did and what Miles might think he did is wrong, Miles would support him in what Phoenix did was right and in truly believing what Krisoph was avoiding was wrong and I don't think he cares what his state of looks matter but about what he's been doing. One last thing, if Miles did decide to help him it would be like returning a favor for what he has done for him.
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Edgeworth would definitely do anything in his power (and that's a lot of things) to clear Nick's name and allow him to retake the bar examination, rather than play piano badly for seven years. Therefore, Edgeworth cannot have simply helped with the Jurist system.
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If Edgey was present, Phoenix would be a lawyer again.
Edgeworth would definitely do anything in his power (and that's a lot of things) to clear Nick's name and allow him to retake the bar examination, rather than play piano badly for seven years. Therefore, Edgeworth cannot have simply helped with the Jurist system.
Edgeworth would definitely do anything in his power (and that's a lot of things) to clear Nick's name and allow him to retake the bar examination, rather than play piano badly for seven years. Therefore, Edgeworth cannot have simply helped with the Jurist system.
Edgeworth can pull a lot of strings, but I highly doubt that even he can reverse a judgment that has already been handed down by the courts. Phoenix was found guilty of forging by his peers. Once his badge had been stripped, it's not like Edgeworth could have just said "NO!!!" and given it back against the wishes of the judge. As far as we know he wasn't even working as a prosecutor in that country at the time. Maybe he could have pulled strings to have the hearing appealed, but he would still need to prove that someone other than Phoenix had forged the evidence, which he was unable to do. Not even Phoenix had proof up until 4-4.
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Phoenix would have needed powerful help to pull off what he did. There's no way that even in the plot-hole filled world of AA, the authors would forget that. Therefore, he had help from either the Judge, Edgeworth, Franziska, or Kristoph himself. The last possibility is not as insane as it sounds, if we assume that Kristoph hid his anti-jury feelings, but he couldn't have played a role in it past 4-1. In any case, at least some of the plan had to be absolutely secret from him.
The Judge might seem a strange person to help, but he was obviously in favor of it from the start, and he knows that Phoenix is a good guy. If you combine that with his potential guilt over getting Wright disbarred, and the fact that he is pals with the Chief Justice, the conclusion is more than plausible. The Judge is a plausible ally.
Don't eliminate Franziska too quickly! Unlike Edgeworth, she has a spotless record, and, though young, she's got a lot of push. She could certainly act as Edgeworth's proxy. Now, why would she do this? Well, for one thing, if Phoenix stays disbarred, she can never have her final confrontation with him. Would a von Karma be crazy enough to rearrange an entire court system in order to get a final vengeful showdown? Do we even need to ask that?
Edgeworth... well, he's the obvious answer, but his checkered past would work against him.
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Sorry, but i can't help but think of neku when you say 'proxy'
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Who said proxy?
This one right here:
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Don't eliminate Franziska too quickly! Unlike Edgeworth, she has a spotless record, and, though young, she's got a lot of push. She could certainly act as Edgeworth's proxy. Now, why would she do this? Well, for one thing, if Phoenix stays disbarred, she can never have her final confrontation with him. Would a von Karma be crazy enough to rearrange an entire court system in order to get a final vengeful showdown? Do we even need to ask that?
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She could certainly act as Edgeworth's proxy.
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