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Re: WTF is the MASON system? 4-4 Spoilers

Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:52 pm

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The little problem I have with the Mason System are the psyche locks. Is it just me or does it not make any sense for the JURY to unlock those psyche locks? I mean, the jury isn't there to play some game in order to know all the facts of a case. Should they not just be presented with the evidence? As players of the game, we know what's happening and how to unlock them but as jury members (and I do believe we were playing as juror no. 6), would they not stop and think 'UM WHAT THE HELL?'. Like what if they got stuck on a psyche lock? Or what if they sat there for HOURS trying to figure it out whilst all the other jurors are looking smug and finished with their little game? I just think asking the jurors to do work to find the answers seems a tad ridiculous.

I'm not really sure what I think what was shown is. A part of me believes at least some parts were generated/faked in some way by Phoenix. Although I don't think it's exactly like that since that would raise so many questions about essentially forged testimony.

I think the Mason System has potential. It's pretty convoluted right now. I personally think it's horribly biased towards Vera. I mean who could watch that and possibly think Vera was guilty? Not to mention, if it depicts scenes that did not happen in real life, it seems like it may as well have been fabricating evidence/testimony!

Re: WTF is the MASON system? 4-4 Spoilers

Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:13 pm

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Its not ever used as evidence or the trial would be over before the second day of trial as we see that Vera got the nail polish from Kristoph and the poisoned stamp on a letter from Drew in Kristoph's cell. It also can't simply be a fabrication because it is simply a really bad one. It is both contradictory and abridged nor is any attempt to make the pieces fit together smoothly. No one is going to believe that Phoenix can travel back and forth in time, so there would be no reason for the jury to take anything they see there at face value (if you can even prove that it was ever shown to the jury. The Mason system is never referenced outside of that segment which seems to have been cut away from the rest of the game). I personally still hold that the whole middle segment where you play as Phoenix was simply meant to inform the player what happened to Phoenix and show the player where the evidence he later gives to Apollo comes from so that we know the significance of each piece. The other theory that seems to be popular (I apologize if I summarize this wrong. Its not intended) seems to be that it is an interactive game to show the jury what Phoenix has learned over seven years and that the psyche locks are inserted later (although where Phoenix got that kind of technological skill seems to be a bit elusive in my opinion since in 3-3, he can just about explain a computer virus and admits to not being good with technology). It was never meant to be deceptive, just a way of explaining what happened over the years although who the intended audience is is up to you to decipher because its unclear.

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Re: WTF is the MASON system? 4-4 Spoilers

Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:54 pm

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My point is self-explanatory, Croik.

If it were well-done, we shouldn't be arguing over what the hell it actually was XD; I'm not saying people can't enjoy it, but it's just... poorly executed, whatever it is.

Sure, it could have been better explained. But when we're trying to have a discussion about what it is, and the only imput you have to add is "it sucked" that doesn't really add to the debate any :P

The image I like best, I think, is that of Phoenix handing each of the jurists a DS and having them playing the Mason System just like we get to play it. Kind of like how Snake uses a dualshock controller to work Metal Gear MKII. :shoe:

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Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:03 pm

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Well, that actually sort of IS my explanation for what it is: a poorly-executed plot device. I think it's a video presentation showed to the jury, but at the CORE, it's what I said before XD;

...I think your explanation that he's basically telling them to play GS4 is an interesting one though >_>

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Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:23 pm

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...handing them a DS? XD Somehow, I can actually see that. ...that makes way more sense then it should.

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Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:43 pm

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Sakuro wrote:

...handing them a DS? XD Somehow, I can actually see that. ...that makes way more sense then it should.

...Y'know, it does. XD

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Re: WTF is the MASON system? 4-4 Spoilers

Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:09 pm

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Asura Velotix wrote:

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The MASON system really confused me too. My personal theory (which my brother thinks makes no sense) is that it's some sort of power the Magatama gives Phoenix. I couldn't think of any better explanation.

O_o Please explain this one because I've got no idea how you thought that one up. XD

x3 It was all I could think of. That, or Phoenix has a De Lorean with a flux capacitor and 1.21 gigawatts of electricity.

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Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:00 pm

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The Mason system sure was weird. Though fun to play.

However, I certainly don'tthink we should assume it resembled in any way what the jury saw. I mean, apart from the fact that Phoenix probably doesn't have the ability to construct a high-tech videogame, brainwashing the jury with some propaganda game like that really would get him thrown out of law forever. So it's sure not the Jurist system or what they see.

All that swirling Matrix-style binary and stuff wasn't just to look pretty. I think we're supposed to see that it's some kind of strange symbolic plot informational device, maybe emphasising that now 'we're' Apollo, Phoenix remains at a cryptic distance, at the mercy of the videogame writers LOL.

When Phoenix is talking at the beginning, it's not the player in particular he's talking to. Or the jurists, most likely. I think he's just taking his one opportunity to talk to the 'world' in general. Except now the only platform the game developers give him is this weird one, we're no longer in his head.

That one line where he says "Think of it as a ..game" well it almost sounded like a cryptic, ironic, sarcastic... joke. Almost as if he knows on some level he's stuck in some videogame and has disbarring and things happen to him at the whim of the writers or something.

Does MASON stand for something?

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Re: WTF is the MASON system? 4-4 Spoilers

Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:38 pm

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Lord Seth wrote:

The answer is simple. The Mason System is the Human Instrumentality Project.

No, seriously. When I was playing through it, I kept being reminded of those last two episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Scarily enough, that would make some degree of sense. :meekins:

It also must have affected my mind, since I had a dream once that was set hundreds of years in the future, where the MASON System had turned into a giant Big-Brother-meets-SKYNET computer system that monitored and controlled the entire society, punishing crimes as they happened, and was opposed by a group of outlaws fighting against the System's core, a crazed, life-support-sustained Phoenix Wright.

That was weird as hell, I tell you.

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Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:27 pm

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Re: WTF is the MASON system? 4-4 Spoilers

Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:50 pm

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Croik wrote:

The image I like best, I think, is that of Phoenix handing each of the jurists a DS and having them playing the Mason System just like we get to play it.

The graphics of the game make me accept this explanation 90%, the remaining 10% is that it's not an actual DS per se, but something like it. The MASON System being the camera/touchpad/whatever else that connects the jurists to the courtroom. Except that Phoenix asked whomever programmed the thing to make a text adventure explaining "facts" of the case.

As far as the whole "ZOOM OUT OMG PHOENIX'S PIN WAS A CAMERA!" thing, that doesn't mean that the MASON system involves direct feed from Phoenix's camera. If it's a game, in fact, it would be pointless to do so (and ruin the presentation somewhat).

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:36 pm

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:56 pm

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Maybe instead of debating about this, people should ask someone from Capcom or something like that what it actually is. Just a curious thought and idea ^^

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:05 pm

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DetectiveTomDamron wrote:

Maybe instead of debating about this, people should ask someone from Capcom or something like that what it actually is. Just a curious thought and idea ^^

Companies generally have a policy of "don't explain our ideas, clarify it in a later installment". So I'd suppose that their answer would be 'wait and see' or something like that. :knock-knock:

Besides, I'll bet there's someone in Capcom who's laughing their ass off at all the debate this generates. Law of Averages. :gant:

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:06 pm

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DetectiveTomDamron wrote:

Maybe instead of debating about this, people should ask someone from Capcom or something like that what it actually is. Just a curious thought and idea ^^

Given the recent retcons and whatnot in other universes, I'd take anything Capcom says with a grain of salt.

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:30 pm

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I don't know but I like to think of it as a holodeck simulation for the jury to watch past events through Phoenix's eyes. Either that or this the beta for the Matrix and they're a decade or so until the machines take over and turns humanity into batteries.

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Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:30 pm

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I don't know but I like to think of it as a holodeck simulation for the jury to watch past events through Phoenix's eyes. Either that or this the beta for the Matrix and they're a decade or so until the machines take over and turns humanity into batteries.

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Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:42 am

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MikeMeekinsFan wrote:

I dunno but I loved Mike's part! God he was so adorable in that part! X3

"Get down on your hands!!! Put the floor on you head!!!" XD

I burst out in quiet laughter there. He actually said that? XD I totally missed it.

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Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:50 am

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Geodude wrote:

MikeMeekinsFan wrote:

I dunno but I loved Mike's part! God he was so adorable in that part! X3

"Get down on your hands!!! Put the floor on you head!!!" XD

I burst out in quiet laughter there. He actually said that? XD I totally missed it.

It would have been cool if this happened after that:

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What is the MASON system?

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Bumping this up for further discussion due to another topic being created that is... well, that is this one. :gymshoe:

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Re: WTF is the MASON system? 4-4 Spoilers

Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:46 am

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I once had a penpal named Mason o.o

I'm pretty sure it's a computer game. We all know how hardcore Apollo is with his games. He played MASON right after beating Portal.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:55 pm

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It is phoneixs way to show the jury what happened 7 years ago and how it linked to the current case , One thing that bothers me is people complain about the mason system and it ruins the game coz it had the time issue of present evidence from the future in the past. It is only a game it isnt a major deal and as i said it was mainly a way to show the jury and player what happened 7 years ago

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