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Herr Blondie wrote:
Better yet, why wouldn't DAHLIA use it, since we've discussed her psych locks earlier, she's a fully fledged Fey girl trained under the evil if ambitious Morgana Fey. Plus surely Pearl would've warned Phoenix if there was a way around the Magatama when she gave it to him.
Didn't they say that Dahlia and Iris both lacked substantial medium training though? That's part of the reason Morgan was willing to let them go in the first place--they were of no use to her. Even if she had some powers, once she left the village there was no reason for her to suspect she'd ever be up against someone with a Magatama after that. I really doubt she would have researched and practiced that kind of psychic defense on the off chance of a Fey coming after her, especially when her charms are enough to win her over with most people.
Regardless, I don't think there can be any mystical training to resist the Magatama specifically. Even if there is it's horribly inefficient, because the black locks appearing at all are already an indication of the person lying. Meanwhile, people like Engarde have been able to fool the locks just by changing their wording. If Kristoph really understood how the Magatama worked, wouldn't he have just changed his words slightly to avoid it triggering at all?
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Croik wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Better yet, why wouldn't DAHLIA use it, since we've discussed her psych locks earlier, she's a fully fledged Fey girl trained under the evil if ambitious Morgana Fey. Plus surely Pearl would've warned Phoenix if there was a way around the Magatama when she gave it to him.
Didn't they say that Dahlia and Iris both lacked substantial medium training though? That's part of the reason Morgan was willing to let them go in the first place--they were of no use to her. Even if she had some powers, once she left the village there was no reason for her to suspect she'd ever be up against someone with a Magatama after that. I really doubt she would have researched and practiced that kind of psychic defense on the off chance of a Fey coming after her, especially when her charms are enough to win her over with most people.
Regardless, I don't think there can be any mystical training to resist the Magatama specifically. Even if there is it's horribly inefficient, because the black locks appearing at all are already an indication of the person lying. Meanwhile, people like Engarde have been able to fool the locks just by changing their wording. If Kristoph really understood how the Magatama worked, wouldn't he have just changed his words slightly to avoid it triggering at all?
I alway like Croiks input, it is always so hmm interesting? informative? thought provoking?
I would still think that a will strong enough could resist the Magatama, heck in some cases someone with weak will to something had multiple locks broke like it was nothing, forgot who now but they had several but one piece of revealing evidence broke them all. Kristoph seems very stubborn and deluded anyway, maybe my order of events has got messed up but for all we know the black locks may been 'broken' with his defeat at the end of AJ as his secret may been revealed then but I can not say for sure because I am not too big on AJ events.
Dahlia and Iris did lack medium training (i'd think) because they lacked the spiritual power or something, oh cruel Morgan offloading kids because they would not fit her revenge at the time. I found Dahlia a little too sure of her charms and sloppy to bother with research, heck it seems she was short sighted in her vengeance plots anyway. I do not even get what she did for years between her little brushes with the law.
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Croik wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Better yet, why wouldn't DAHLIA use it, since we've discussed her psych locks earlier, she's a fully fledged Fey girl trained under the evil if ambitious Morgana Fey. Plus surely Pearl would've warned Phoenix if there was a way around the Magatama when she gave it to him.
Didn't they say that Dahlia and Iris both lacked substantial medium training though? That's part of the reason Morgan was willing to let them go in the first place--they were of no use to her. Even if she had some powers, once she left the village there was no reason for her to suspect she'd ever be up against someone with a Magatama after that. I really doubt she would have researched and practiced that kind of psychic defense on the off chance of a Fey coming after her, especially when her charms are enough to win her over with most people.
Regardless, I don't think there can be any mystical training to resist the Magatama specifically. Even if there is it's horribly inefficient, because the black locks appearing at all are already an indication of the person lying. Meanwhile, people like Engarde have been able to fool the locks just by changing their wording. If Kristoph really understood how the Magatama worked, wouldn't he have just changed his words slightly to avoid it triggering at all?
Hmm you gotta point, while Iris did go back to the Fey tradition Dahlia spent her time at college didn't she? Then behind bars so she didn't exactly study the Fey tradition and it was her psych locks after all.
Though I'm not sure it works that way for Engarde as he didn't exactly 'trick' the Magatama. He literally didn't kill Juan, no question it was Dekiller which was what Phoenix asked, if Phoenix had asked if he was responsible for the murder then something may have cropped up. If anything it was Nick and not Engarde who nullified the Magatama there.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
I still think it's a stretch saying Kristoph could somehow nullify the Magatama's power, unless that perfume he sprays contains some unusual spiritual ingredient protecting him from various magicks.
It's Holy Water.
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I still think it's a stretch saying Kristoph could somehow nullify the Magatama's power, unless that perfume he sprays contains some unusual spiritual ingredient protecting him from various magicks.
It's Holy Water.
Hehe custom emote nice,
And yeah hehe thats what I'm thinking Holy Water protecting from spiritual powers.
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But could it be as simple as that? I wonder...
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I still think it's because Kristoph is the devil. Even Dahlia doesn't have a skull on her hand.
But could it be as simple as that? I wonder...
But could it be as simple as that? I wonder...
My Momma says....Kristoph Gavin is the DEVIL
Yeah but Kristoph can spout blue flames and fly in ethereal form.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Alice wrote:
I still think it's because Kristoph is the devil. Even Dahlia doesn't have a skull on her hand.
But could it be as simple as that? I wonder...
But could it be as simple as that? I wonder...
My Momma says....Kristoph Gavin is the DEVIL
Yeah but Kristoph can spout blue flames and fly in ethereal form.
If I had any photoshop skills I'd do that.
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Yeah but Kristoph can spout blue flames and fly in ethereal form.
If I had any photoshop skills I'd do that.
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1. He's evil/crazy
2. He doesn't trust Phoenix
3. It might have been a memory from his past.
Anyways maybe if Klavier had used the Magatama hence being Kristoph's brother, maybe just maybe he could break the psyche-locks. So maybe in AA5 you could have that Prosecutor acts as defence part like in AA3. Or if they would do that in AA6 (If they get that far)
I'm guessing that Kristoph had a memory of his past that was so dark that it contributed to what had happened. Like when Zak has dissmissed him as an attorney Zak had pretty much said "You suck at poker, you're not needed anymore."
So maybe when Zak said "You're not needed anymore" It triggered some past memories. Like maybe Kristoph had a father who neglected him/abused him and had said that to Kristoph sometime in his childhood. So that touched a memory that Kristoph wasn't so fond of. And maybe Klavier was familiar with the memory as well and would know what Kristoph was hiding.
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Croik wrote:
GigaHand wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Yeah but Kristoph can spout blue flames and fly in ethereal form.
If I had any photoshop skills I'd do that.
....Mission Accepted.
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Also GOD FORBID the Fey's returning to the main storyline.
That better have been sarcasm.
Trust me. They won't appear.
Ok, this might seem weird, but what if the Gramaryes were the Feys. There are an untold number of branch families in the Fey Clan, the Gramaryes might of been a branch family who got fed-up and left Kurain, with their own special spiritual power, the Percieve System. This might sound a bit crazy, but it will probably be how Capcom brings back the Feys.
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'sides, who knows, maybe Apollo broke those locks in court?
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Ok, this might seem weird, but what if the Gramaryes were the Feys. There are an untold number of branch families in the Fey Clan, the Gramaryes might of been a branch family who got fed-up and left Kurain, with their own special spiritual power, the Percieve System. This might sound a bit crazy, but it will probably be how Capcom brings back the Feys.
OORRRRR bear with me on this!
They don't because that idea is stupid and far-fetched and Capcom won't bring back the feys.
Besides the Perceive system isn't spiritual since that generally involves spirits. While perceiving is more like slowing down time and zooming in apparently.
Additionally this is all necromancy this thread has been dead a while.
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They don't because that idea is stupid and far-fetched and Capcom won't bring back the feys.
Besides the Perceive system isn't spiritual since that generally involves spirits. While perceiving is more like slowing down time and zooming in apparently.
Additionally this is all necromancy this thread has been dead a while.
Besides the Perceive system isn't spiritual since that generally involves spirits. While perceiving is more like slowing down time and zooming in apparently.
Additionally this is all necromancy this thread has been dead a while.
To be fair, Capcom have done some rather cracky things in canon. I doubt they'd go that far, but if you think about it, plots involving identical twins (one of whom no one knew about until a random photograph appeared in the newspaper) and the like... that's bordering on the same level of cracktastic. The thing is, Capcom makes it WORK. *shrugs* I wouldn't say anything's impossible.
And even if a thread's been inactive for awhile, I don't get what's so bad about people joining in with new ideas later on. A lot of the "dead" stuff on here is new to us more-recent fandomers. :)
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"Full of despair"? Maybe its was Phoenix's turn to be waxing poetic but he fails? I mean, when I think about his line, it's probably somewhere on the cliche side. Does he even know what he's saying? He does have a tendency to say something out of place or downright ridiculous. Or maybe it is some form of foreboding. The AA series is quite notorious for those.
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After all this hiding, he unconsciously created an impenetrable barrier in his mind that even Phoenix can't break.
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G0dot wrote:
well to talk Kristoph we must think of his possible past and how he might have tied in with the rest of the Phoenix Wright universe. I mean, if you are in this topic you might have already guessed that everyone in Gyakuten Saiban are linked in a way or another such as how then we must ask ourselves what does this person have a link to besides being another attorney in the country besides Nick? I think he has links to certain cases that we may have overlooked such as the Lost Turnabout? Or even Farewell my Turnabout. Because I sorta think that Gavin family has similar hair color to Adrian Andrews.
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I don't believe there are such hidden connections. But it's fun to speculate.
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Now, most people would be too busy being incredibly premature babies in the womb, so the default setting is "Red". However, in Kristoph's case...
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Perhaps...perhaps...
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Remember - even when he is convicted in 4-4, he did not have any intention of defeat.
So, probably, each one of those 5 psyche locks is actually a much greater amount, like 10 each or something, because the secret that was hidden is the one he will never reveal.
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Colonel Olrik wrote:
I theorise that one can choose Psyche-Lock colour before birth.
Now, most people would be too busy being incredibly premature babies in the womb, so the default setting is "Red". However, in Kristoph's case...
Perhaps...perhaps...
Now, most people would be too busy being incredibly premature babies in the womb, so the default setting is "Red". However, in Kristoph's case...
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Perhaps...perhaps...
this. this is what happened
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Baby Bonnie Hood wrote:
Let's talk gameplay. What happens if you actually try to break the black locks?
I thought Kristoph kicked you out before you could.
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Baby Bonnie Hood wrote:
Let's talk gameplay. What happens if you actually try to break the black locks?
I thought Kristoph kicked you out before you could.
Correct which is why they are so mysterious.
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J-ace attorney wrote:
Hi I’m new here and sorry if this has been brought up before..but I have a Theory, Crazy but possible!
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Impossible, really.
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J-ace attorney wrote:
Hi I’m new here and sorry if this has been brought up before..but I have a Theory, Crazy but possible!
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Kristoph is 32. Apollo is 22. You do the math.
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Icarus wrote:
J-ace attorney wrote:
Hi I’m new here and sorry if this has been brought up before..but I have a Theory, Crazy but possible!
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Kristoph is 32. Apollo is 22. You do the math.
great point,biologically it's impossible.
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*I think that's also an explanation of why he ran away from the scene so fast, why? Because if not, he might just say his usual "HOLD IT!" and do the breaks*
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