Was this ever cleared up in the game at all? After all, he made paintings based on Apollo's first three cases. And Vera made a comment about how happy Drew Misham was when he heard Apollo decided to become a defense attorney... and I think I also recall the word "again" at the end of that statement.

So, did I completely miss something or is this something relating to Apollo's past we'll (hopefully) learn about in GS5?

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That was one of the most upsetting plot holes in the game for me: I was waiting to find out how that could possibly happen. I've heard it explaied that had cared about Apollo because of his connection to , but it is also unexplained how Drew even found out about . Drew wasa recluse, so it's not like he could have found out about him through any conventional means. This was a lame cliffhanger meant to hook the player, but, like many other things in 4-4 (holiest case ever ), it was unexplained and unsatisfying. This is one of the main reasons I hate GS4.

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The game does explain that point. Drew felt badly about what happened to Phoenix (at the end of all the chaos in court during Phoenix's final trial, Drew asks for Phoenix's name and promises to remember him) and after that he began following Phoenix's actions from a distance. It's only after Apollo comes into contact with Phoenix that Drew begins keeping tabs on him and it's because he's connected to Phoenix (and he's even more important to Drew because Apollo is the law part of the Wright Anything Agency). Vera comments that her father was very happy to hear that the office had started to practice law again.

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Ahh, okay. I remember everything you mentioned in your post now, and it all makes sense. Thank you for clearing that up, Mia_Fey. :P

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! That answers why Misham would care about Apollo, but not how! He didn't have access to the news! The only way he talked to anyone was through a box of letters! He didn't care about the outside world, so he wouldn't have newspapers. And how did e find out about ? I doubt Vera would tell him -- she didn't even know his name. You can't just ask people who the devil is.

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Exactly what I was about to say. Unless you're about to pull a gigantic telescope out of that Court Record, this one is pretty much unprovable. The only explanation I can think of is a bunch of letters sent by some sort of informant he sent out, but that's all I got.

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Open windows. AJ is the talk of the town in PhoenixVille.

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Well... was it ever stated for sure that Drew Misham did not read/get newspapers? Even if nothing about newspapers was mentioned it was probably because it was irrelevant to everything going on in 4-4.

By the way, letters do have something to do with the "outside world."

Also, there's television. Vera watched it, so why couldn't he?

And he didn't know Kristoph, you're right. That's not how they were connected. Did you see Mia_Fey's post? :O He had nothing to do with it.

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Remember that Drew didn't like new-fangled technology.

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Drew would not have to leave his home to hire a private investigator and contact with this person would be easy through the mail. Mailing in weekly or monthly reports isn't exactly difficult and neither is mailing out the checks for that person. This would allow Drew to keep tabs on Phoenix without contradicting anything we learn about him. Drew became a well-known illustrator over seven years and clearly had enough money to support both himself and Vera well without either of them having to leave on a regular basis, so he would likely have enough money to hire a private investigator and ruining a person's life, even unintentionally, is likely to play on anyone's conscience. I think we can also question the idea of Drew truly being a complete recluse by the end of the case given what we discover later especially because the only one who ever tells us that he never went outside (and I think she even phrases it as hardly ever) is Ema who has no knowledge of the special attention Drew paid to Phoenix's activities and anything surrounding this. Vera tells us that her father was keeping tabs on Phoenix which is not that hard to imagine given what we know.

As for Kristoph, the envelope bore a stranger's name (not Kristoph's own) as I recall, but it went to Kristoph's address (or some address that Kristoph had chosen for his communications with Drew), so perhaps he simply wrote to the client (with the fake name he'd been given for contact purposes) at the address Kristoph had given him (which Kristoph would need access to because, after all, he would want the poisoned stamp to come to him so that he could destroy the evidence). Before you ask about how mail from Kristoph's home got to the jail cell, Kristoph was clearly getting the high class prisoner treatment. His cell is beautifully furnished and he comments that he has some friends among the prison staff who show him "some kindness", so someone is probably collecting the mail at his home and giving it to him. Perhaps the mail is even being forwarded to Kristoph's new "residence". I don't think there was any evidence suggesting that Drew knew the client was Kristoph Gavin. He was simply writing to the client with the address provided to ask the client to leave Vera alone.

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I thought that Drew just heard about Apollo from TV or something.

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He's young enough that television probably isn't 'new-fangled technology' to him. And as vio said, Vera watched television, why not him? Heck, even if he did hate the outside world and didn't care about it's happenings, he might still get the newspaper or watch TV for the purpose of watching for the Wright and Co Law Offices.

I don't really see what the issue is with Drew and Kristoph. Remember that to the world, Drew is the real forger. Even though Kristoph knew this wasn't the case, Drew is still the one that handles all the money transactions and contact with clients (Certainly you can't expect poor terrified Vera to do it, even if she wasn't only 12 years old) Kristoph approached Drew/Vera first so for their transaction to work Kristoph would have to have to give up some contact information. Kristoph uses a fake name but that's nonetheless how Drew 'knows' Kristoph.

Can anyone theorize then, how come the rough sketches underneath the 3 paintings, came to depict scenes from the first 3 cases so accurately. (Remember that Vera doesn't like to leave Drew Studios.)

I always got the impression that he was stalking Apollo and pals, it says he rarely left the house but as apollo's cases are months apart it's not a problem.

But in 4-1, it is stated that there are only three people in the Hydeout during the poker game: Olga, Shadi and Hobo Nick. So how could Drew be there?


Wasn't it who did the sketches? How can she draw something that she hasn't witnessed?

I guess he was watching in court seeing as how Phoenix was on trial. But yes, the whole thing with Vera actually being the actual forger does make the thing even more confusing.

All he had to do was see Apollo on TV or in the newspaper or something. Maybe the trials were televised or reported in the paper.

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It was Drew who did the sketches underneath the painting and Vera who did the top layer.

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Exactly. And if I recall correctly, that picture that was supposed to depict the 4-1 case was simply a picture of people playing poker. With TV, he could have easily discovered the aspects of the case (ie that it took place at a place where poker was being played). I doubt that that would be hard to figure out.

Another thing: I know he somewhere says that he doesn't like technology, but he must somehow not mind it; he bought all that special technology for Vera to do her special forgeries! That stuff he had in his house... to me, it looked pretty high-class. I have a feeling that the only reason he said he didn't like technology was either a) he truly prefers to write letters or b) it would be too easy to track him and his family if he resorted to e-mail, in my opinion. It's difficult to get a hold of home addresses. I guess you could look up in a phone book, but I think it would also be dangerous to use e-mail and such for contacting, since he was treading on hot waters with what he was dealing with.

Anyway, either way, they obviously had a TV, and Justice took care of some pretty high-priority cases. I mean, the first case had to do with a fired famous attorney (Phoenix) and this 'greenhorn's' mentor being convicted. The next case had to do with the mob, basically; the next case had to do with a famous band and foreign singer. So it would not be that surprising that Justice's cases would be on the news (or even a newspaper); therefore, it would have been quite easy for Drew to see these cases Justice was doing. And because of the first case, he could connect Wright to Justice.

Mia_Fey, while I guess it is plausible that Drew could have hired a PI (I have doubts on his actual income, considering the shape of the house, but I guess that's because he spent Vera's earnings on the technology for her forgeries), I think it would be much easier for Drew to simply see Justice on TV; I don't think it takes much imagination to make a poker game, someone pulling a cart (as long as a news channel explained that), and especially if Klavier's concert was replayed, he could have heard about the guitar on fire. But, hey, in any case, it was possible for Drew to see this stuff.

Wow, that's long! There's my two cents!

P.S. am I the only one who got super creeped out when I discovered those rough sketches? I was freaked out of my mind when I saw those!!

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