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Is it just me, or are the killers in the games usually fairly obvious.

Case 1-1; Understandable, since this is a beginnger case.
Case 1-2; We actually see the murderer.
Case 1-3; Extremely obvious.
Case 1-4; I'll admit, this one was harder, but lack of people to suspect made it easier.
Case 1-5; From the minute Gant was introduced, it was clear he was guilty. If only because of his late entrance.

Case 2-1; Okay, another beginner case.
Case 2-2; Fairly hard, since we're lead to believe Morgan is the villian, shifting our suspicion.
Case 2-3; I'll give this one credit as being hard too, since no one really seemed evil.
Case 2-4; I'll say this is hard, too.

Case 3-1; Yeah, Dahlia just screamed "psycho".
Case 3-2; Harder, since Atmey seemed too full of himself as a detective to be guilty.
Case 3-3; Again, we practically see the killer.
Case 3-4; I knew it was Dahlia before they even figured out the kid wasn't dead.
Case 3-5; Definately a hard one.

Case 4-1; For a beginning case, I'll say it was hard.
Case 4-2; Alita had a guilty air about her during the whole thing, unlike everyone else.
Case 4-3; Because it was so obvious it killed us all. And there was no way Machi did it.
Case 4-4; This whole case was way too easy. Though, who killed Magnifi was not obvious.

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I've only played AA: AJ, so I guess this'll be a beginner's perspective on the game. ^^;
Spoiler: All of AJ...? Do I still need to?
4-1: I was definitely confused, because Phoenix was pulling extra "people" out of his beanie left and right...I kept waiting for another character to show up. Then I realized that no one drops a murderer in the middle of a case unannounced. But I swear I thought it was Winston Payne. o_o

4-2: Ehh...I actually thought it was Guy Eldoon for a while. But he was too awesome in the end. Alita did smile too much and too unnaturally, though.

4-3: Agreed. Reaction to Daryan: 1: WTF HAIR. 2: He did it.

4-4: As if Kristoph's shadowy portrait wasn't revealing enough. Still, he *was* in prison, so I wasn't too sure at first.


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I don't know, I'd say that the killers seem to be obvious about 50% of the time. Certainly beginner cases are (save 4-1, that was a doozy) and certainly the murderer is obvious at other times. Still, I think this might have something to do with the overall themes of the Ace Attorney series. Usually the attorney defends a client who is innocent. It would become trying though if EVERY case you have to doubt the clients innocence.

Obviously, there are some where that was a major part of the story telling (I'm looking at you 2-4) but there are usually only two different ways that suspicion could end. It's difficult to imagine too many other cases like 2-4 which would mean the actual suspence would be wasted if used every time (since the gamer would get used to the device). Therefore, it would be wise not to overuse client suspicion in case they ever want to make another case similar to the end of JFA. There is my overanalyzed, unecessarily detailed, analysis of this phenomenon

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I won't need spoiler marks here, right?

Case 1-2: ...am I the only one who completely forgotten the killer's face during the whole case? D: It was only when I saw my friend playing the case when I realized they showed the killer's face...
Case 2-3: the first time they mentioned that there's another witness we can't have access yet, I was sure whoever it is would be the killer. XD it's the "motive" that's not too easy to find.
Case 1-5: Now THIS is hard. I suspected Gant but the whole affair with Ema made me totally forgot about him.
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4-1 was long, but it wasn't too difficult. Although, I do suppose Payne has gotten a little better with age. :payne-stroke:
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I'm not talking about the clients being guilty, as that would ruin the series if overused. I just wish the killers weren't often so obvious.
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The most obvious killer in my mind has to be Sawhit, due to the 'swinging back and forth' motion that he does. :sawit-2:
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My thoughts:

The First Turnabout: We saw it. And he kind of has this "guilty" feeling. And his lies were obvious.

Turnabout Sisters: We saw it. And he was obvious anyway. Though May might set the player off track.

Turnabout Samurai: This wasn't so obvious, until it could have only been them.

Turnabout Goodbyes: A bit too suspicous. Also turned up too late.

DL-6: Who else could it have been?

Rise from the Ashes: :damon: :damon: :damon: :damon:

The Lost Turnabout: We sorta see the killer, and sorry Oos, but it was sorta obvious.

Reunion, and Turnabout: Again, the process of elimination.

Turnabout Big Top: I figured it was Acro when I saw the map, but when I saw the wheelchair...

Farewell, my Turnabout: A bit hard.

Turnabout Memories: Meh. Who else could it have been, again?

The Stolen Turnabout: I saw a screenshot, and thought it was Luke without looking at spoilers.

Recipe for Turnabout: We kinda see it. Who else has spikes on the back of their head other than Sonic and Phoenix?

Haven't played Beginnings or Bridge yet.

Turnabout Trump: When Phoenix asked and I figured it couldn't be Payne, it sorta came as a shock.

Turnabout Corner: I figured out the crime early, but I couldn't tell it was Alita. But she's the most innocent, so she's guilty? The only possible one.

Turnabout Serenade: Snoo pingas usual, I see?
Or obvious, in other words.

Turnabout Succesion: Meh.

Seven Years Ago: Thought it was Valant, and pretty much laughed and cried as I found out.

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1-1 You see the killer
1-2 You see the killer
1-3 Wasn't obvious at all, thought it was Sal or Wendy.
1-4 I was clueless, didn't think it'll end up with manfred as the killer
1-5 The second I saw Gant I knew.

2-1 You see the killer
2-2 It was just damn obvious, I knew it was Ini before the murder even occured.
2-3 Thought Regina was the killer until I saw the sign Acro left.
2-4 I accidently saw a picture in phoenix wrong featuring evil Matt, so I kinda figured.

3-1 Knew from the second I saw Dahlia
3-2 I knew the second I saw Ron's flashback
3-3 You see the killer
3-4 Come on
3-5 Never expected it

4-1 Hard
4-2 Easy, knew from the first time you see her
4-3 Too obvious
4-4 Was obvious since 4-1.
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Turnabout Samurai: This wasn't so obvious, until it could have only been them.
1-3 Wasn't obvious at all, thought it was Sal or Wendy.


Oldbag a killer? And she was way too obsessed with Hammer and clearly distraught over his death. Sal also didn't really strike me as the type who could kill anyone-he's more of the idiot henchman who carts the body away and gets caught. But Dee just kind of screamed "evil killer".


DL-6: Who else could it have been?

O_OYou knew it was Karma? Yogi was the most likely suspect, and there was also the posssibility of Edgeworth having been responsible accidentally.


Reunion, and Turnabout: Again, the process of elimination.
2-2 It was just damn obvious, I knew it was Ini before the murder even occured.


I still thought Morgan was the killer do to her being clearly psychotic like Dahlia(tree and apple, anyone?), but Ini's presence struck me as a bit too random. When the doctor first mentioned the person who brought him there, I was so certain he was talking about Lotta, who did end up appearing in the case.


Turnabout Big Top: I figured it was Acro when I saw the map, but when I saw the wheelchair...
2-3 Thought Regina was the killer until I saw the sign Acro left.


Acro did have the suspicious late intro into the story. I thought Regina would be an interesting twist as the killer, and it would have fit seeing how uncaring she seemed about her father's death. However, the more I got to know her personality, after a brief moment of thinking she'd killed him without fully understanding her actions, I realized there was just no way-if that had been the case, she'd have likely not kept it secret.


Recipe for Turnabout: We kinda see it. Who else has spikes on the back of their head other than Sonic and Phoenix?

Knuckles or Shadow would have been an interesting, albeit illegal twist.


Haven't played Beginnings or Bridge yet.

Bad topic to be in, then.^^; You'll spoil the epicness!: O


Turnabout Trump: When Phoenix asked and I figured it couldn't be Payne, it sorta came as a shock.

I could see Payne killing someone to finally try and get some recognition. And let's face it, that would be a great plot-twist for a first trial, when you are so certain you know who the killer is.


Turnabout Corner: I figured out the crime early, but I couldn't tell it was Alita. But she's the most innocent, so she's guilty? The only possible one.

Alita struck me as a lot of things, but not quite innocent.>_>


Turnabout Serenade: Snoo pingas usual, I see?
Or obvious, in other words.
4-3 Too obvious


Actually, thinking back, I did briefly suspect Valant. He was making mysterious appearances, had that late introduction, and seemed like he was hiding something. But Daryan's temper quickly made my attention turn back to him.


Turnabout Succesion: Meh.

Meh did it? That bastard!


Seven Years Ago: Thought it was Valant, and pretty much laughed and cried as I found out.

Thus, should we blame Valant or Kristoph for the tragedy that followed? Both men did things they should not have.
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Spoiler:
Here are my opinoins...:

1-1: yeah, you can see him. Doesn't take a genius to figure out it was :sawit: !
1-2: again, you saw him do it.
1-3: I actually suspected Sal for a while....
1-4: Wow, wasn't expecting the old man.... :yogi:
1-5: meh, I wasn't quite sure. Part of the time I suspected :jake: .

2-1: obvious.
2-2: I suspected :tea: for a while, but still somewhat obvious.
2-3: wasn't expecting him....
2-4: I'm not sure how I feel about this.

3-1: obvious. she was way too innocently sweet. Besides, the only people in the case were her, Feenie, and Doug. Well, obviously Feenie didn't do it, and I highly doubted that Doug killed himself. Soooo...
3-2: I thought it was fairly obvious.
3-3: well, you can see who did it.... :zenitora:
3-4: pretty obvious.
3-5: woah, wasn't expecting that! :godot:

4-1: Different than the other first cases. Usually there's a defendant, a victim, and a witness, and the witness is the killer in all of the other first cases. So, for most of the time I thought that Olga did it.
4-2: I knew from the moment I saw Alita that she killed the doctor...
4-3: It actually wasn't very obvious to me... :oops:
4-4: Pretty obvious.
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I have to say, for 1-5, I had already seen the whole Gant internet thing about raep, but SL-9 took me by surprise much more than I thought. I thought it might have been understandable that Ema did it accidentally, Gant covered it up, then killed Bruce Goodman to cover it up. Then Phoenix could somehow give a speech about good vs bad intentions, and why Ema should get off the hook. (to be honest, I wasn't thinking much about how it was gonna end)

The real nail in the coffin for me was that after trying about 5 times to spell out "Gant" or "Damon" with the jar blood, I finally went on GameFAQs where it said "spell out Ema". I'm like ".......WHAT.....HOLY SHIT"

I swear, that felt even worse than the whole presenting Magnifi's diary page stuff.
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Case 1-1; Understandable, since this is a beginnger case.
Case 1-2; we see the murderer in the intro
Case 1-3; not asobvious imo mainly coz they were alot of people i didnt realize until i found out dee was part of the mob
Case 1-4; I'll admit, this one was harder, soon as i met the old dude (yani) i knew it was him but when i found the letter i knew who real killed edgeworth senior
Case 1-5; i cud never figure it out i did think it was ema who killed marshall and i really did think it was lana who killed goodman took a while to click it was gant i was slow in that regard
Case 2-1; Okay, another beginner case so easy to know
Case 2-2; I didnt realize who it was until i found out about the box having a hole and knew morgan was with phoneix at the time of the shot so i thought it had to be "inni" since i knew it cudnt b maya
Case 2-3; didnt realize till last trial day
Case 2-4; I'll say this is hard, too. didnt expect it to be engard but they did put possibilty it cud be andrews

Case 3-1; Yeah, soon as Dahlia was brought in as a witness it was ovbious
Case 3-2; Harder, to do i first thought it was miss delite
Case 3-3; we see the killer.
Case 3-4; I knew it was Dahlia before they even figured out the kid wasn't dead. mainly since we knew wat she looked like from case 3-1
Case 3-5; i read something b4 i did this case that hinted to godot but didnt understand it fully so had a thought it was him but still very shocked i found out

Case 4-1; Already read about it from court records by acident
Case 4-2; didnt figure it out i didnt see anything wrong with alita
Case 4-3; gotta say when i realize machia couldn't do it took me a while to figure it out
Case 4-4; Since this case was mainly to explain about the last 7 yrs and we already knew who killed Zak it was ovbious but who killed the magician i orginally thought it was valent
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