That aint a high caliber gun (possible spoilers 4-3)

Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:24 am

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I know guns. And a .45 is not a high caliber gun. well, yes it is, but what they described in Case 4-3 (Turnabout Serenade) is an exaggeration of a .45 caliber gun's power. A .45 cannot blow through someone's shoulder, it cannot create cracks around the bullet hole in the wall, and the recoil is not as powerful as they described it to be. What they described sounded more like a .460 or .500.

What do you people think?

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:02 am

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*doesn't know guns*

Aren't guns illegal for citizens to own in Japan? Maybe the writers didn't know much about guns. As for the recoil, how bad would a gun like that be if someone never used a gun before?

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:09 am

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Maybe the power of guns in Japan and here are different.

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:27 am

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Re: That aint a high caliber gun (possible spoilers 4-3)

Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:19 am

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Neon Lemmy Koopa wrote:

I know guns. And a .45 is not a high caliber gun. well, yes it is, but what they described in Case 4-3 (Turnabout Serenade) is an exaggeration of a .45 caliber gun's power. A .45 cannot blow through someone's shoulder, it cannot create cracks around the bullet hole in the wall, and the recoil is not as powerful as they described it to be. What they described sounded more like a .460 or .500.

Had they specifically mentioned a Colt Python, for instance (which is a gun I KNOW has a fukken crazy recoil, having fired one myself once) I'd understand (and even then it's setting the bar a little low), but yeah, I agree.

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Re: That aint a high caliber gun (possible spoilers 4-3)

Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:20 am

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Also considering that the second shot went right through ~~TeLouse~~ LeTouse (I can't remember that well, but wasn't it something like that?) it was a bit strange that both bullet holes were right next to each other.
I'm not an expert with guns but shouldn't the weight of the impact deflect the bullet in an other direction?

A theory for them naming the gun .45 calibre could be this: You know all these cop films especially the Dirty Harry movies? Always when someone has this HUGE gun like a Colt Python someone says he's got a "45" or something like that (at least that's what they say in the german translations, now I don't know if it's still the same in the original let alone the japanese version). So maybe it's some sort of common belief that a .45 calibre gun has to be a huge kick-ass gun...

A bit strange that theory of mine, I know, but it could be a reason...maybe.. ^^

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:34 am

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Jeff.Smart wrote:

Also considering that the second shot went right through TeLouse (I can't remember that well, but wasn't it something like that?) it was a bit strange that both bullet holes were right next to each other.

His name was LeTouse, like Lettuce.

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:02 am

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Superninfreak wrote:

His name was LeTouse, like Lettuce.

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:28 am

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Jeff.Smart wrote:

Superninfreak wrote:

His name was LeTouse, like Lettuce.

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Re: That aint a high caliber gun (possible spoilers 4-3)

Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:29 pm

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Point taken :Hoboright:

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Re: That aint a high caliber gun (possible spoilers 4-3)

Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:45 pm

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Re: That aint a high caliber gun (possible spoilers 4-3)

Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:46 pm

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Isn't the .44 magnum the highest caliber weapon in existance which 'can blow your head clean off'?

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:41 pm

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Biggest caliber ever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82
http://freedomstatesalliance.com/images/compare.jpg

There's also a popular pistol with the same diameter, but shorter length called the Desert Eagle. (ever play Counter-Strike?)

Yeah, it did strike me as a little odd that they would call it "excessive" when that's normally associated with the Deagle. Heck, I'm pretty sure plenty of law enforcement uses the M1911 (also 45-caliber).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_pistol
But I thought, maybe he was using magnum rounds? Those would give a big recoil and a blow-your-top-off shot. (magnum basically means more gunpowder, bigger bang)

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Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:50 pm

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Katana wrote:

Biggest caliber ever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82
http://freedomstatesalliance.com/images/compare.jpg

There's also a popular pistol with the same diameter, but shorter length called the Desert Eagle. (ever play Counter-Strike?)

Yeah, it did strike me as a little odd that they would call it "excessive" when that's normally associated with the Deagle. Heck, I'm pretty sure plenty of law enforcement uses the M1911 (also 45-caliber).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_pistol
But I thought, maybe he was using magnum rounds? Those would give a big recoil and a blow-your-top-off shot. (magnum basically means more gunpowder, bigger bang)

The 50 cals are powerful bullets, but those two guns are hardly the only guns which use them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG
However, that is not the only problem with you're statement!
:object:

You claim that the biggest caliber is the .50 which has a bullet with an aproximate bullet size of .51 inches. However, this clearly disproves your statement!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_repeating_rifle
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But that's not all! I also have here, next to my computer, a replica union minnie ball with a caliber of .58. And I found this on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Minie_ball_design_harpers_ferry_burton.jpg in order to prove such minnie balls exist!

Also, just for the hell of it, only the modified Mark VII model of the desert eagle and later models could shoot the .50 Action Express cartridge. The recoil of a .50 desert eagle is more than a .44 magnum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Eagle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express

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Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:37 am

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Magnus Orion wrote:

The 50 cals are powerful bullets, but those two guns are hardly the only guns which use them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG

...Please quote the part where I said otherwise?

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However, that is not the only problem with you're statement!
:object:

You claim that the biggest caliber is the .50 which has a bullet with an aproximate bullet size of .51 inches. However, this clearly disproves your statement!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_repeating_rifle
:object:

But that's not all! I also have here, next to my computer, a replica union minnie ball with a caliber of .58. And I found this on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Minie_ball_design_harpers_ferry_burton.jpg in order to prove such minnie balls exist!

And I have an enormous tube that fires 30-foot-wide balls with a maximum effective range of 3 feet. It exists, but no one uses it, just like the spencer...Your point?

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Also, just for the hell of it, only the modified Mark VII model of the desert eagle and later models could shoot the .50 Action Express cartridge. The recoil of a .50 desert eagle is more than a .44 magnum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Eagle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express

Modified? What? It's one of the available calibers. And the desert eagle is kinda mainly known for being 50 caliber anyway...
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:12 am

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Katana wrote:

...Please quote the part where I said otherwise?

I, er... just thought it was implied since you picked out two weaponse frm the group is all. Sorry :sadshoe:

Katana wrote:

And I have an enormous tube that fires 30-foot-wide balls with a maximum effective range of 3 feet. It exists, but no one uses it, just like the spencer...Your point?

My point is this:

Katana wrote:

Biggest caliber ever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82
http://freedomstatesalliance.com/images/compare.jpg

Since both of the weapons were used during a period in history, they are relevant to a discussion about the caliber's of guns, especially once the largest caliber ones are mentioned. I just thought I'd point out that there had been larger caliber's in past. And autocannon use the caliber system, too, but that's really besides the point. (... 30 ft wide!? :eh?:

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Modified? What? It's one of the available calibers. And the desert eagle is kinda mainly known for being 50 caliber anyway...

Yeah... I know that's what its known for, but... still, the original mark VII and prior didn't shoot 50 cal.

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b-but I like objecting for the sake of objecting... :larry:

Sorry if I was offending...

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Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:24 am

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That's a shocking revelation, especially since case 4-3 is all about accuracy.O_O

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Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:21 pm

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Creative Game licencing...just put it down to them assuming the common player isn't looking into it at that depth. XD

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Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:56 pm

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I just saw that case on Youtube, and when they called a .45 the largest i was like "no way". They were more describing the 44 magnum ( :texasman:

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And don't forget both can cause even more damage if the rounds are hollow points :karate:

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Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:19 am

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I dont know about guns, but if Machi had never used one before and it was powerful, it might injure his shoulder right?

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Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:43 pm

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JohnnyR wrote:

And don't forget both can cause even more damage if the rounds are hollow points :karate:

Was about to correct you on this when I looked at Wikipedia and realized I'd been wrong for a long time...I actually thought JHP was meant to be weaker. That's probably why I sucked at SWAT 4...you're kinda not supposed to bring excessively lethal ammo. Dangit.

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