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So explain here which you think is your favourite and worst cases you have played for GS4


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I personally like the first one due to how awesome it is and I also like the last cuz of the climatic end it has, but my favourite will be 4-3, the rock and roll one.
Such an ace episode, what do you guys think?


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I'm not sure. However, there is the good half and the bad half of the game.

Good
Turnabout Trump: Best starter case. Nice surprise, and told it's own story well. However, the best part is playing it the first time, with the improved graphics.
Turnabout Corner: I don't know. A perfect example of the DS extras. Nice characters.

Bad
Turnabout Serenade: Far too many contradictions to list. I was shouting at the Klavier in my DS last night because of this. The only good part are the characters. (Machi, Lamiroir, Machi, Daryan, Valant, Machi, Machi and Machi. Did I mention Machi?)
Turnabout Too Lazy to Spell: The first half was good, but then Phoenix stole Apollo's game by being playable 6/10 of the case, then spoiled it more by introducing a TIME MACHINE!? I know AA is ridiculous, but... They practically told us the killer when Kristoph's profile suddenly appeared. Also, we never presented desicive proof. It's as if they gave up on the second half of the script. The only good part was the killer's breakdown.

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Best: 4-1. Phoenix ♥
Worst: 4-3. Worst. Case. Ever.
Spoiler: 4-3
-the logic was stupid
-it was made too obvious that Daryan is the killer because of the game's attitude to him. Oh a 'bad' guy!
-then the evidence he did it isn't too good, but we know Daryan is the killer because we know he's BAD. Convict people on evidence, not by demonising them, please.
-The first part is okay, before the murder, but by the 2nd day in court it gets really boring
-That stupid smuggling-medicine plot was too obvious and I figured out everything days before Apollo did. How many clues to the sick grandson do we need? Wasn't 1 or even 2 hideously obvious mentions enough?
-I hate Lamiror. I especially hate how they treated her like some kind of god, even though she was obstructing justice and practically lying in court.
-Machi was creepy. And in reality, Apollo should have demanded an interpretor. Other than biased Lamiror.
-Guitar's Serenade was also creepy. And I don't care how some stupid magic trick worked. I already figured out the whole smuggling thing already.
-Oh and Klavier solves half the case in court for Apollo. Including parts I had already figured out myself.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the writers devoted time and resources to cases 4-1, 4-2 and maybe the first part of 4-3, but then they were nearing release, panicked, and messed up the rest of 4-3 and much of 4-4.

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I agree with most of the above:

4-1 was a surprising first case and I couldn't understand why GS4 had been slated by some who had played the Japanese version and I loved the more mature Phoenix. The only case in the game I genuinely like pretty much all of it.

4-2 was a very silly case at the start, Wocky annoyed me but otherwise an OK filler case

4-3 Arghhhhhhh!!!! Drove me crazy, I found it hard to relate to the characters, no proper motive was ever really explained, as others have mentioned the ridiculous amount of plot holes that made it hard to get immersed in the story, I hated Lamirior and it dragged on forever especially watching the concert video over and over and over.

Spoiler: End of 4-3
Also I was looking forward to taking Daryan down and Apollo coming alive as a lawyer. Oh and the "oh suddenly you can't get someone found innocent without decisive evidence of someone else doing it, even if you can prove they could not have done it. What the ...


4-4
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As others have said felt rushed, the investigation immediately after Phoenix loses his badge made me sad and was quite well written but I didn't really feel for Vera and the lack of a final battle with Kristoph was disappointing and the whole thing didn't feel it was finished and a lot of it was poorly explained and executed. And when I realised who Juror Number 6 was it really annoyed me - lets let the common man into the legal system by asking a celebrity who happens to be the mother of the defence to sit on the jury - oh and the true murderer seems to have killed her ex-husband as well. Impartiality and justice? Barely.

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4-1 was... meh.
1-1 was an average case, but perfect as a first case. 2-1 had plot holes and it was waaaay toooo haaard for a starter case, but it was really funny and this fun factor saved it. 3-1 was amazing, for the first time, a tutorial case was more than just a tutorial, it was one of the best cases in the series.
4-1, however, is a huge step back from 3-1. In fact, it's my least favorite case in the entire Ace Attorney series. Apollo didn't do sh*t, I couldn't get linked to any of the characters (except for Phoenix, ofc, but even he played stupid for Apollo... why did he anyway?), and the ending was very unsatisfying. 4-1 was the only case which didn't make me happen at the end. There aren't any BAD cases, but while most of the cases are AWESOME, GREAT or FANTASTIC, this is just... average.
5/10

4-2 started quite bad. It was annoying and boring. The DVD part was the only good thing about the first investigation. However, at the first trial things got better, and it became a good filler case. Still no characters to feel for, except for Apollo, but I didn't like here either as much as in the latter 2.
7/10

4-3... surprisingly for you, maybe but i really liked it. I liked the characters (Machi, Klavier and Ema mainly), the Serenade, the jokes (seriously, it was the closest to the ultimate funniest cases, namely 2-4 and 3-3), and the idea of "following the song" was great.
Yes, I admit, there are some plot holes here and there, but 1-1 and 2-1 has much bigger and more blatant ones.
9/10

4-4... Probably the most serious and least funny case of all (3-4 at least had that overly stupid judge and Mr. Armando :), but it's okay. Apollo's first investigation was okay (I liked the X-Ray thing and the Drew Studio music), his first trial was annoying (Brushel is probably my most hated witness), but then Phoenix's parts (all of them) were AMAZING, and it inspired me a lot (for example, see my fanfic :). Apollo's final trial, however, it was like "OMG, over already? I thought there were a lot more left" (but the breakdown was great). Picking the verdict was lame, but the ending was good. Especially when Phoenix said he's probably gonna do the bar exam again.
9/10

Yeah, AJ is the only game in the series that has no 10/10 cases (1-4, 2-2, 2-4, 3-3 and 3-5).
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I really only liked 4-1 and 4-4.
4-2 and 4-3 were both annoying on many, many levels. I just don't like 'em.

4-1 was really great, best starter case and my favorite case in AJ.
4-4 comes close, but you didn't have to present decisive proof at the end. My only problem with it. Dx
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Hmm many love 4-1, it's popular. So Capcom might make 5-1 similar to 4-1 then, which I wouldn't like at all.
5-1 should be more like 3-1 (or even 2-1).
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There's a lot of debate as to what 5-1 will be like. What's their new excuse for a tutorial?

... But that's not what this thread is about. Let's not stray off topic.
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4-1: 10/10. Perfect for a tutorial case; the most captivating first case of the series. The only thing I didn't like was the overuse of "ORLY".
4-2: 7/10. Fun overall. Hardly a dramatic case, but a nice filler with many great ideas.
4-3: 9/10. I'm probably the only one around here that found this case brilliant. Fascinating story, unique atmosphere, impeccable execution... but too many plot holes.
4-4: 8/10. The worst climax case in the series as far as I'm concerned, and it's still excellent. There are many things to like (chess-like plot, original structure, MASON system scenes, murder method, Kristoph's story and
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breakdown,
Brushel's lines...) and to dislike (Apollo being nothing more than a pawn, dull court scenes, no final confrontation).

So here's my order:
1) 4-1
2) 4-3
3) 4-4
4) 4-2.
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My favourite cases in AJ were definitely 4-1 and 4-4. I thought that 4-2 wasn't too bad, and to be honest, I really loved Wocky, and 4-3 was annoying to me.

I was really surprised by 4-1. By this point, I knew that Kristoph was ~*bad*~ but I thought he was sticking around for longer than that. I thought it was an interesting twist; maybe I'm just oblivious, but I really didn't see it coming. And forcing Apollo to choose between Kristoph and 'the truth' was something that I really liked. I mean, of course Apollo wouldn't choose to let Kristoph get off the hook by not testifying, but I still liked that he had very little hesitation about it. And I enjoyed Kristoph throughout the whole case as well; he managed to keep his cool for most (or all? I can't remember) of the case, while still trying to manipulate Apollo.

4-2 had fun science stuff, and Ema. Wocky was interesting to me - I thought he was really amusing, and I felt bad for him with his bullet - but other than that, I didn't care very much. I was only a little surprised by Alita being the killer. I had a feeling that the doctor would end up being a jerk, and he was. I expected the same from Alita, and she didn't disappoint. She reminded me a bit of Dahlia in that sense - she seemed really innocent, but wasn't. If she hadn't seemed like such a sweet person, I wouldn't have suspected her.

4-3 drove me nuts. At first, I thought it was really cool, with the song and listening to the music and Klavier being all glimmerous and foppy. But it started dragging on, and on, and on...I got really sick of having to watch the stupid video over and over again. I had already spoiled the fact that Daryan was the killer, so I don't really have much to say about that, but I didn't know anything about the cocoons or Machi, and I have to admit, that was a pleasant twist for me. Although, in retrospect, they made it really obvious, and I can see how that would be annoying. I didn't really care about the cocoons either. :| It really didn't hold my interest. Lamiroir was pretty cool though, I'll admit.

4-4 was probably one of my favourite cases out of the whole series (after 2-4 and 3-5). I wish they hadn't made you play as Phoenix though, partially because I didn't want to play through him presenting forged evicence, and partially because I wanted more Apollo. I did like the way that it was executed, although the MASON system was a bit strange. Evidence can magically travel through time now? I was excited to see Kristoph again, although I wish that his confrontation with Apollo and Phoenix had been a little more...dramatic, I guess? Just when I thought that things were heating up and that it was going to start getting really hard, Kristoph 'broke'. I wish that part had continued on a little longer. Learning about the Gramarye's and Apollo/Trucy was neat, and so was all the Valant related stuff. This case made me really dislike Zak though. :| I don't blame Kristoph for whacking him over the head.
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Favorite: Case 4-2. Made me laugh alot, and it was an epic win!
Worst: Case 4-3. It was a pain..
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Because there's too many condraction's that annoyed me, I didn't knew I was actually DEFENDING a person who was the actual KILLER, and after that, it confuse me like... getting hit by Franziska's whips.
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The first two cases were okay, but I wasn't a big fan of the last two.

4-3
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The case just seemed to drag on forever, and Daryan was just an idiot.


4-4
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Phoenix's whole flashback trial irritated me, not only because he got debarred because of one piece of forged evidence, but because he made a mistake like that in the first place. Then there's Zak who leaves behind his daughter and shows up 7 years later only interested in beating Phoenix in poker. And to top it all off, the villain, Kristoph, did everything he did because Zak didn't pick him. Boo-hoo, you lost at poker.

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Worst case: Has to be 4-4, due to the lacklustre ending (Only 1 testimony? WTF!) and that Spark Brushel was so annoying (I know he's a journalist, but why does he have to end most sentences with "End Quote"? It's so annoying :zenitora:).

Best case: Has to be 4-1, due to the shock realisation of the who really did it (No way, did I see that coming).
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Favourite case: 4-2 Turnabout Corner. Why? Two words: Magic Knickers.

Worst case: 4-4 Turnabout Succession. Why?
Spoiler: 4-4
It just feels more like Phoenix (and in some ways Klavier) solved that case, not Apollo. I also thought the fact that you have to vote on the verdict was stupid. I don't mind the idea of the jurist system, I just hope they fix it in GS5.


Personally I think 4-3 is over-hated. I personally loved it my first time playing through it.
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4-1:
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Sadly, the highlight of the game. Even this case was tainted by the forged ace.


4-2:
Spoiler:
The best part of this one was getting to see Dr. Hotti again. :yuusaku: Other than Eldoon, all the characters were either dull or boring rehashes of past characters, and what the hell is up with the plot? Stolen noodle cart? Panty thieves? If I wanted to watch an episode of Ranma 1/2, I'd watch Ranma 1/2.


4-3:
Spoiler:
Besides the fact that the prosecution's case was utter garbage, this one wasn't too bad. At the very least, the characters were a step up from the previous case. Having to see LeTouse's death scene/Guitar's Serenade fifty thousand times put me off, though.


4-4:
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Biggest. Letdown. Ever. Phoenix pulling all the string, no suprises during the final trial day, half hour argument between the Gavins, blah blah, I've ranted about this enough times already. At least when you break the killers in most of the other cases, it feels like you actually ACCOMPLISHED something. Not only does Apollo not break Kristoph (Klavier does), Kristoph is already in prison for murder. What's the point of getting him again? Sure, you get Vera cleared, but...meh.


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