Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:30 pm

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During the last trial in 4-3, Gavin remarks that the Borginian Cocoon is used to synthesise a cure for Incuritis. He also says that the export of the cocoons is banned because if the process is changed only slightly the cocoon can be used to synthesise a deadly poison instead. Someone exported cocoons several years ago on the black market to do exactly that.

Could this poison be atroquinine? If so, Gavin may have been even more devious than we gave him credit for.

Does we even do these things anymore?

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:39 pm

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I would think the poison would be to cause Incuritis.

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:50 pm

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Quote:

because if the process is changed only slightly the cocoon can be used to synthesise a deadly poison instead

The word instead basically shows that the poison and the cure are seperate, not the same.

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:51 pm

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If that's in conjucture to my statement, I neevr said it would cure it. I said cause, not cure ;)

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:54 pm

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If that was true, then it would mean that someone else got the borginian cacoon and poisoned the Chief Justice's son with it. Somehow I just can't see it happening XD

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:35 pm

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Oh! I just realized that Atroquinine wasn't a real poison! However, considering how difficult it is to get one of those cocoon's out of Borginia, how would Kristoph have managed it?

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:53 pm

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I am suggesting that Kristoph may have been the one who caused the ban in the first place by illegally exporting the cocoons seven years ago. It's possible, at the least. :)

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Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:59 pm

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Oh, I see. But the problem there is that they'd have to have known that the poison was being used outside the country for that to be the case, and clearly no one knew about Kristoph's poisonings at that time. That is, if he caused the ban, then transporting wouldn't have been illegal at the time.

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:39 pm

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Whilst it may have still been illegal, it likely carried a much more lenient sentence prior to this incident. :)

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Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:16 pm

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But incuritis is just a disease, right? A deadly disease, yes, but not the same as atroquinine poison, which just straight out kills you. And relatively quickly at that, at least compared to an actual disease.

Eh, I don't know if that made sense or not, I wasn't really paying attention. :/

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Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:28 pm

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twelve by pies wrote:

But incuritis is just a disease, right? A deadly disease, yes, but not the same as atroquinine poison, which just straight out kills you. And relatively quickly at that, at least compared to an actual disease.

Eh, I don't know if that made sense or not, I wasn't really paying attention. :/

Incuritis is a disease, yes. But it doesn't relate in anyway to atroquinine.

The cocoon cures incuritis, but you need to extract the cure out of it first. If it's extracted the wrong way then it becomes a deadly poison. The theory is plausible. Atroquinine isn't a real life poison and the cocoon isn't a real cocoon either.

If the incident did happen seven years ago then it could be that Kristoph got the cocoon out somehow, wrongfully extracted the contents (aka: the silk of the cocoon) and then created atroquinine from it. Of course there are some questions that come from this.

1. How did he get the cocoon out of Borginia. He's from Germany too so perhaps he knew someone from Borginia (Borginia, according to the game, is in northern Europe. Germany is in around middle Europe).

2. Was taking a cocoon out of Borginia plausible before the idea that the cocoon's silk could be used as a deadly poison. I doubt it was, but it probably didn't regulate execution back then.

3. Why go to such means just to get atroquinine? There are hundreds of different poisons he could have used, so why go through the trouble of smuggling a cocoon when he could have used something much different.

Edit: And a quick note- atroquinine, according to the game, is a slow acting poison. It takes about 15 minutes or so to actually take effect.

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Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:13 am

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[quote="WhiteElephantEdit: And a quick note- atroquinine, according to the game, is a slow acting poison. It takes about 15 minutes or so to actually take effect.[/quote]

If this was a response to twelve by pies, then you are mistaken; he compared it to the disease Incuritis, which afflicted the Chief Justice's son, that didn't kill him; he was still kicking after a day of trials, and apparently already had Incuritis for quite some time. This doesn't prove whether or not Incuritis or Atroquinine comes from the cocoon though.

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:31 am

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Dudboy wrote:

[quote="WhiteElephantEdit: And a quick note- atroquinine, according to the game, is a slow acting poison. It takes about 15 minutes or so to actually take effect.

If this was a response to twelve by pies, then you are mistaken; he compared it to the disease Incuritis, which afflicted the Chief Justice's son, that didn't kill him; he was still kicking after a day of trials, and apparently already had Incuritis for quite some time. This doesn't prove whether or not Incuritis or Atroquinine comes from the cocoon though.[/quote]
Incuritis doesn't come from the cocoon. The cocoon's silk cures Incuritis.

And yes, it was never stated for a fact that Atroquinine came from the cocoon (if extracted incorrectly). But it is a good possible theory, as Klaiver said that the poison that could come from the cocoon was rare. Ema tells us that Atroquinine is also very rare.

It isn't possible to prove or disprove that atroquinine comes from the cocoon silk extracted incorrectly. But it is a good, plausible theory.

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Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:33 am

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Am I the only one who thought Atroquinine sounded like a delicious drink? :U

Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:50 am

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Trilroy wrote:

Am I the only one who thought Atroquinine sounded like a delicious drink? :U

....no ;____; -THOUGHT IT WAS A TYPE OF SODA-

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Re: Concerning Atroquinine [SPOILERS FOR 4-3 AND 4-4]

Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:08 am

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WhiteElephant wrote:

Edit: And a quick note- atroquinine, according to the game, is a slow acting poison. It takes about 15 minutes or so to actually take effect.

Well thanks for making my point for me. I'm not a poison connoisseur, but maybe atroquinine was the perfect poison, after all, he needed something slow-acting so he could get his aids...err...evidence.