BRING BACK PHOENIX!
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This is my desperate attempt to bring Phoenix back as the protagonist of the AA series. I believe that Capcom could write him back in. I just like Phoenix better, there was more humor, he worked better with Maya than Apollo with Trucy. I think they need him back because he is very charismatic. I do like the perceive system but the Magatama worked out of court making it more interesting knowing things BEFORE court. Perhaps a dual series where Apollo and Phoenix join? I just really want Phoenix back. and seriously what kind of nickname is polly?
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As for what happens in GS5, we have no idea. Let Capcom do their own things.
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thatgamerguy wrote:
Capcom can bring him back. That world has no logic in their legal system,
And what if Capcom doesn't want to? OH WELL.
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Spoiler: onos!
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Personally, I like NPC hobo PW since he is seems to have more character depth than playable PW.
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FanGuy wrote:
Hey guys I know a great way they can bring back Phoenix as the attorney
Spoiler: onos!
I LOL'D
Hahaha I didn't even notice the similarities before now.
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FanGuy wrote:
Hey guys I know a great way they can bring back Phoenix as the attorney
Spoiler: onos!
That reminds me of something the friend I let borrow AJ:AA after I got through it pointed out. Phoenix kind of looks like Solid Snake.
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Doom Saber wrote:
Personally, I cannot see a different between playable pre-hobo Phoenix and Apollo in terms of personality. I am not sure if it is because of localization or the creator's decision, but it seems that once we playable attorneys in the game have the same attitude. For instance, they seem all sarcastic and jackass-like in how they react to other characters. I mean, they would talk behind other's ppl back or whatever. However, when you aren't controlling them, they suddenly have a unique and different personality. Phoenix seems to be written as a laidback oddball who seems to get into accidents frequently. But when you play as him, his personality is a bit cold and sarcastic. The same can be said for Mia. Edgeworth in the other hand has always been a jackass.
Personally, I like NPC hobo PW since he is seems to have more character depth than playable PW.
Personally, I like NPC hobo PW since he is seems to have more character depth than playable PW.
Yea they are very capable of creating a different first person personality. Just compare the difference between playing Miles for 1 fraction of a case and playing Apollo. Playing Miles had a radically different feel than playing Phoenix, however Apollo sort of felt much of the same.
However I can spot minor differences. Phoenix is more of an idealist than Apollo is. Apollo seems like he's more in it for the money and prestige. It might come from his upbringing however. Mia raised Phoenix to help out and trust clients no matter what. A little of Kristoph's hunger for pride and prestige must've rubbed off on Apollo a bit.
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FanGuy wrote:
Hey guys I know a great way they can bring back Phoenix as the attorney
Spoiler: onos!
By gum, man, you crushed my Internet with awesome.
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Asianwaste wrote:
Doom Saber wrote:
Personally, I cannot see a different between playable pre-hobo Phoenix and Apollo in terms of personality. I am not sure if it is because of localization or the creator's decision, but it seems that once we playable attorneys in the game have the same attitude. For instance, they seem all sarcastic and jackass-like in how they react to other characters. I mean, they would talk behind other's ppl back or whatever. However, when you aren't controlling them, they suddenly have a unique and different personality. Phoenix seems to be written as a laidback oddball who seems to get into accidents frequently. But when you play as him, his personality is a bit cold and sarcastic. The same can be said for Mia. Edgeworth in the other hand has always been a jackass.
Personally, I like NPC hobo PW since he is seems to have more character depth than playable PW.
Personally, I like NPC hobo PW since he is seems to have more character depth than playable PW.
Yea they are very capable of creating a different first person personality. Just compare the difference between playing Miles for 1 fraction of a case and playing Apollo. Playing Miles had a radically different feel than playing Phoenix, however Apollo sort of felt much of the same.
However I can spot minor differences. Phoenix is more of an idealist than Apollo is. Apollo seems like he's more in it for the money and prestige. It might come from his upbringing however. Mia raised Phoenix to help out and trust clients no matter what. A little of Kristoph's hunger for pride and prestige must've rubbed off on Apollo a bit.
I understand that Edgeworth is different than Apollo since as I said before, he has always been a jerk even as a NPC. I wasn't clear before about that, but I meant that Edgeworth's personality didn't change from NPC to playable character since Capcom seems to know how to do reluctant and sarcastic characters better than any other character traits; it seems that Capcom just amped up the jerk-o-meter for the narration during the part one can play as Edgeworth. It would be nice to play a completely different character with a different personality in an AA game. Someone like Trucy or Maya would work since they seem to be the more naive, positive-types.
I too see other minor differences between PW and Aj as well. Apollo seems to be obsessed with his voice, where he occasionally mentions his voice training while Phoenix appears to have no interest at all (from what I recall.)
Also, I thought it was swell of Capcom to protray Phoenix as somewhat of a closet tokusatsu fan. I mean, I somewhat suspected it in PW1 and 2 since Phoenix's phone has the steel samurai ring tone; I thought that it might be Capcom's lazyiness of reusing music, but after playing AJ, one can see that he is very much into the genre and seems to somewhat denies being a fan (ex., if I recall, he says he has nothing to watch but these tokusatsu dvds that were sent to him by some kid. However, he then says that he has to watch them so that he doesn't get behind in the storyline.)
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THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Phoenix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
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But as for tag-teaming, hell yeah. Maybe even having both the magatama and the percieve system used? For instance, you could use the percieve to get rid of psyce locks without any actual evidence (
), or use the percieve system to trigger a magatama response in court.But Capcom usually knows what they're doing. Whatever they decide, it's gonna be great.
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FanGuy wrote:
Hey guys I know a great way they can bring back Phoenix as the attorney
Spoiler: onos!
Good sir you win the internets. In fact have all the money in my wallet NO WAIT! HAVE THE DEED TO MY HOUSE!
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Taranchula wrote:
Maybe in GS/AA 5 Capcom will go back to their VS game roots and introduce...
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
That would actually be freakin' sweet if it worked out. Like, you could have both of them at the defense's bench, and doing investigations together, and allow the player to switch who they're controlling on the fly. Think of the situations they could insert that could use that function.
-Let's say you're investigating and controlling Apollo. You've found all the evidence you can, but there's some witnesses that just seem off. The player switches control to Phoenix (and his Magatama) and uses his ability to see Psyche-Locks to break the witnesses.
-By the same token, let's say you're in court and controlling Phoenix. The witnesses' testimony seems solid, and if you don't find a problem your client is boned. So, you switch over to Apollo and see if you can use the Perceive system to spot a habit you can use to perform a brilliant turnabout.
This could easily be done, since the defense is already allowed to have and aide in the games, and the aides seem to be allowed to object on their own (Mia did it all the time).
That's a really good idea, I'd love to see Capcom use that. And as someone previously stated, that could bring linked two-player functionality to the GS series.
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I just say, the biggest improvement that they can make is make the characters more interesting and give more spotlight to Apollo.
Don't mind me, just passing through.
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But I thoroughly agree on the fact that Nick's time as the main hero is over. Time to move on and become the more knowledgeable sidekick and mentor. =)
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Taranchula wrote:
Maybe in GS/AA 5 Capcom will go back to their VS game roots and introduce...
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
You win the interwebs. Not because I really want to play that game, but because I found it to be one of the funniest posts I've read on a forum in quite a while.
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DarknessLord wrote:
Taranchula wrote:
Maybe in GS/AA 5 Capcom will go back to their VS game roots and introduce...
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
You win the interwebs. Not because I really want to play that game, but because I found it to be one of the funniest posts I've read on a forum in quite a while.
It was because I misspelled "Phoenix", right?
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Taranchula wrote:
DarknessLord wrote:
Taranchula wrote:
Maybe in GS/AA 5 Capcom will go back to their VS game roots and introduce...
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
THE CROSS OVER TAG-TEAM LAWYER SYSTEM!!!
For example:
If Pheonix has trouble reading the witness, then tag out to Apollo and break out his percieve powers, likewise if Apollo encounters some Psycholocks then tag back to Phoenix and use his Magatama to shatter those.
And when things are at their worse, one can turn around things by realeasing a Cross Over attack powered double OBJECTION!
Best of all something like this could open the door for two player play.
Sure it sounds crazy and super unrealistic even for a GS/AA game , but it could work....
You win the interwebs. Not because I really want to play that game, but because I found it to be one of the funniest posts I've read on a forum in quite a while.
It was because I misspelled "Phoenix", right?
Naw, it just came across as one of the coolest Parodies/jokes I read in a while, even if you were dead serious, I just remembered those Marvel Vs. Capcom games I played in the arcades when you were talking about it and I couldn't help but laugh.
Take it as a complement, and enjoy your (slightly used) interwebs,
before someone else awards it to another person. 
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DominicanZero wrote:
Personally, I'm all for the idea of giving Nick back his badge and making him your courtroom mentor, similar to Mia's role.
You do realise that this means Phoenix will be murdered, just so that Apollo can avenge his fallen mentor.
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And yeah I too was a huge fan of the Capcom VS series, and seeing as Capcom also makes the GS\AA series it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to apply the same kind of Tag Team play found in the fighting games to the courtroom drama.
To be honest, I was kind of goofing around when I first thought of the idea, but as other posters had mentioned if executed right it can make for a very fun experience.
Especially if you throw two players in the mix, imagine if you will a two player investigation. One player controlling Phoenix, investigates one side of the crime scene, and the other player controlling Apollo investigates the other side. (IE each player has their own set of locations and witnesses to talk to.)
And then right before the trial both players confer with each other about what they found out, meaning that all the information they've gathered indivdually will be brought together to make up the full story. And thus will be able to use their findings to make a united case.
I know it would be really hard to implement, but if done well it could be the greatest game play innovation ever.
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Arakos wrote:
You do realise that this means Phoenix will be murdered, just so that Apollo can avenge his fallen mentor.
People keep saying this and I don't know why. The games always have a mentor figure that helps the protagonist. Mia was dead, not gone. She was channelled all the time in the course of the three games to train Phoenix. In this game as it stands now, there are no active spirit mediums (and even if Maya and Pearl came back, a male spirit has never been channelled in the games). It doesn't make sense for them to kill off Phoenix because they can't bring him back to help so you would completely lose the mentor figure which was a big part of the games. Besides, if I recall correctly, I read somewhere that Mia was killed off because the game designers thought Phoenix had too many allies so they did a two for one deal. That doesn't apply here as far as I can tell.
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Um, Phoenix never left ok. He's still there, just not an attorney anymore. He's even laughed off the idea of becoming an attorney again. He doesn't even have a motive. Bringing him back now would just be in bad taste.
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I'd love the idea of having Phoenix back in the lead-role in GS7. You'd be playing as an older, veteran defense attorney and it would put a different twist on the game, plus they'd be bringing back a fan-favorite.
Also, I don't see why he shouldn't be a lawyer again. He went to law school and became a lawyer so he could defend the innocent. There are innocent people being accused every day; a lawyer's job is never done! I could see Phoenix stepping back into the courtroom if his services are needed. He could defend until he gets old and grizzled! XD
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Arakos wrote:
You do realise that this means Phoenix will be murdered, just so that Apollo can avenge his fallen mentor.
People keep saying this and I don't know why. The games always have a mentor figure that helps the protagonist. Mia was dead, not gone. She was channelled all the time in the course of the three games to train Phoenix. In this game as it stands now, there are no active spirit mediums (and even if Maya and Pearl came back, a male spirit has never been channelled in the games). It doesn't make sense for them to kill off Phoenix because they can't bring him back to help so you would completely lose the mentor figure which was a big part of the games. Besides, if I recall correctly, I read somewhere that Mia was killed off because the game designers thought Phoenix had too many allies so they did a two for one deal. That doesn't apply here as far as I can tell.
I'm being a technicality stinker.
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However a female channeling a male has not happened on screen, as it raises, awkward questions.
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DarknessLord wrote:
I'm being a technicality stinker.
However a female channeling a male has not happened on screen, as it raises, awkward questions.
Spoiler: 1-4
However a female channeling a male has not happened on screen, as it raises, awkward questions.
Very true, but as you point out we don't see it on screen and therefore its likely that Phoenix would not be able to be included in the game if they killed him off (particularly since the idea raises... bad images that are probably best left alone for everyone's sanity). On top of that, its a really cheap move in general to simply kill him off like that and its not necessary. My point still holds. Besides, they seem to be trying to lean away from the whole spirit medium thing in this game. Now we're into magic!
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It's fine for me that you get a new hero in GS4, a new bunch of characters and so on ...
But for me, Phoenix will ever be the cult figure. (*sigh*)
Variety is the spice of life and that's cool ...
But I want Phoenix, Edgeworth, Gumshoe etc. to come back ...
I mean, I just finished the first game and I already love them totally ...
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Why are people making such a big deal? You people are morons. Apollo isn't a bad character, and he's approximately 12 times more huggable than Feenie-boy.
Stop whining. Phoenix and Apollo....they're barely even characters! They're just the eyes the player sees the world is. Who cares who you play as? As long as the game is fun, it shouldn't matter.
So stop your whining and fucking deal with it.
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