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This isn't much to go on, but think people.

Vera said she saw the devil for a second when meeting with Kristoph. Remember now, the devil was what Kristoph's hand made when he tensed up. And it takes someone of Gramarye descent to notice that tense. So, could it be true? Could she be a Gramarye?
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I'm pretty sure people CAN notice if they focus hard enough, Polly only has the power to be able to 'sense a 'tense moment', then he has to search for the actually tensed moment himself.

'Sides, Vera said she saw the devil's face in a reflection on her clear nail polish.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure anyone can see them if they focus hard enough. During the first case, it's Phoenix who first points out Olga's nervous tic and he certainly isn't a Gramarye. Apollo can spot them all though and can see them at a bit of a distance since he can pick them out in court to utilize that power. Vera would have been very close to Kristoph at the time and she even admits that she wasn't certain that she had seen it which is very different from Apollo and Trucy who can see those tics very clearly (and Trucy can do this even without a bracelet although not as well as Apollo).
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I saw the devil in Kristoph from the moment I layed eyes on him. That guy just screams "psychopath"!

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Alright then. Phoenix may have seen it, but what about everyone else? Shouldn't Klavier know about it since he's his brother? Shouldn't the Judge see it since he's directly in front of Kristoph?
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"Someone beat me in a child's trading card game!! Now I'm going to act obsessively and ruin countless lives for years!!"

>_>;


Kristoph=Seto Kaiba?
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Alright then. Phoenix may have seen it, but what about everyone else? Shouldn't Klavier know about it since he's his brother? Shouldn't the Judge see it since he's directly in front of Kristoph?


You would have to be watching a person very closely to spot them. What reason would Klavier or the Judge have to really watch Kristoph that intensely? In Phoenix's case, he knew that he needed to spark Apollo's power so he had to spot the tic first hence he was watching Olga very closely which allowed him to spot her tic. Think about Vera now and how entranced she was by Kristoph. His tic appears when he touches his glasses which puts his hand near his face, so if she was watching his face very carefully as she probably would have been doing considering how she viewed him (and remember that she stares very hard at Klavier when she sees him because he reminds her of Kristoph), then it's not a stretch to imagine that she would spot his tic for that split second.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Alright then. Phoenix may have seen it, but what about everyone else? Shouldn't Klavier know about it since he's his brother? Shouldn't the Judge see it since he's directly in front of Kristoph?


You would have to be watching a person very closely to spot them. What reason would Klavier or the Judge have to really watch Kristoph that intensely? In Phoenix's case, he knew that he needed to spark Apollo's power so he had to spot the tic first hence he was watching Olga very closely which allowed him to spot her tic. Think about Vera now and how entranced she was by Kristoph. His tic appears when he touches his glasses which puts his hand near his face, so if she was watching his face very carefully as she probably would have been doing considering how she viewed him (and remember that she stares very hard at Klavier when she sees him because he reminds her of Kristoph), then it's not a stretch to imagine that she would spot his tic for that split second.


Still, if that were true, you'd think more people would notice it.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Mia_Fey wrote:
You would have to be watching a person very closely to spot them. What reason would Klavier or the Judge have to really watch Kristoph that intensely? In Phoenix's case, he knew that he needed to spark Apollo's power so he had to spot the tic first hence he was watching Olga very closely which allowed him to spot her tic. Think about Vera now and how entranced she was by Kristoph. His tic appears when he touches his glasses which puts his hand near his face, so if she was watching his face very carefully as she probably would have been doing considering how she viewed him (and remember that she stares very hard at Klavier when she sees him because he reminds her of Kristoph), then it's not a stretch to imagine that she would spot his tic for that split second.


Still, if that were true, you'd think more people would notice it.


Why? Do you truly analyze everyone you meet when you aren't expecting to see anything? Vera had been shut away from the outside world and Kristoph was one of the few people she had ever met. I do recall Phoenix even mentions that he felt like he was being watched very intently in reference to Vera's stare. She saw so few people and viewed most outsiders with fear, so she really was watching everyone if only to see if danger was approaching. Besides, even if people saw it briefly, it's such a strange symbol that most people would probably dismiss it as being a figment of their imagination. Vera almost does that with the symbol. She comments that she thought that she saw it, but is never certain.
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You're forgetting that Kristoph is a defense attorney. How can people NOT focus on him?

People that focus on him:

His clients
The Judge
The Prosecution
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
You're forgetting that Kristoph is a defense attorney. How can people NOT focus on him?

People that focus on him:

His clients
The Judge
The Prosecution


But this is focus beyond just looking at him. This is watching his every move very closely and really inspecting him. It's on a whole other level then most people would use when interacting with another person. Think about the kind of focus Apollo needs to spot them. Now the power wouldn't activate for others to allow them to do it so easily, but they would need to use a similar amount of focus if not more to spot the tics. Besides, the judge and the prosecution are farther away in the courtroom and his clients have... other concerns. :P
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
You're forgetting that Kristoph is a defense attorney. How can people NOT focus on him?

People that focus on him:

His clients
The Judge
The Prosecution


But this is focus beyond just looking at him. This is watching his every move very closely and really inspecting him. It's on a whole other level then most people would use when interacting with another person. Think about the kind of focus Apollo needs to spot them. Now the power wouldn't activate for others to allow them to do it so easily, but they would need to use a similar amount of focus if not more to spot the tics. Besides, the judge and the prosecution are farther away in the courtroom and his clients have... other concerns. :P


How did she get this focus? You say it's because she's sheltered from the public believing that everyone is bad. If I were her, I'd be doing the opposite. I wouldn't be staring at this person at all. I'd be doing everything but. The game made it seem like it was a one time thing. You'd have to be either incredibly lucky to see that tense for a second, or a Gramarye.

BTW, does anyone know how he got the scar?
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
How did she get this focus? You say it's because she's sheltered from the public believing that everyone is bad. If I were her, I'd be doing the opposite. I wouldn't be staring at this person at all. I'd be doing everything but. The game made it seem like it was a one time thing. You'd have to be either incredibly lucky to see that tense for a second, or a Gramarye.

BTW, does anyone know how he got the scar?


Well, I don't know the answer for the scar, but I seem to vaguely recall someone saying it came from his dog biting him although whether that's canon or fandom, I don't know. Kristoph does have a dog which is mentioned in the game.

And the point is that Vera isn't the only one capable of doing it. Phoenix was able to make himself focus that intensely on Olga so that he could spot her tic. Vera is constantly described as watching people intensely just because that's who she is. She is always on the look out for a possible threat (staring intently at Phoenix when he visits for example) and she also was quite taken with Kristoph, so it makes sense that she was probably watching him carefully. The game mentions that she was staring holes into Klavier's face and we find out later that's because he reminded her of Kristoph. And Vera only saw it once and barely at that. She isn't even positive that she saw it. Vera thinks she saw the devil, but can't really describe it much because she just barely caught a glance nor is she really certain that she saw it.
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*sigh* I guess you got me. :nixiesob:
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*sigh* I guess you got me. :nixiesob:


That was fun. Thank you for the nice debate. :edgy:
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Vera is also an artist, and many artists can look at something and point out pictures and shapes that many other people wouldn't/wouldn't care to notice.

I can stare at my big scar and come up with things that it looks like.

Vera could easily have noticed the skull design of Krissi's scar.

And because of her nature, its not unlikely that she would focus so intensely on something.
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How come everyone thinks Thalassa is such a tramp?
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How come everyone thinks Thalassa is such a tramp?


For alot of the theories to work, she would have to be sleeping around for them to make sense/be possible.
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Yeah, that's what I mean. Why is it that everyone has theories of Thalassa being such a tramp?
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