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Well I haven't bought GS4 yet (missed a previous chance) but I'm playing it on an emulator right now, and as with every other GS game past the previous one I played, I never think I'll get used to the characters, voices, music, anything. But I haven't even finished the 1st case of GS4 and I'm already loving it. It's taking me less time to get used to it than it took me to get used to GS2 and 3.

Any of you feel the same way? Like the new game grows on you?
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yeah actually, i didn't think i would like apollo or trucy, but after completing the 2nd case i was dreading one of those last cases when the assistant gets kidnapped lol
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I hated GS4 in just about every way. The music is inferior (not in quality, but in terms of the actual tunes), the characters are all stupid from the obsessed :minuki: to the frustrating :sassy: to the insane :hobohodo: to the downright stupid :odoroki: (Phoenix was a rookie, but he never was an idiot who got bossed around by a senile hobo.) The Objection theme is my favorite...but completely innapropriate for it's purpose, the redrawn sprites aren't improved much, and the percieve system is broken. I NEVER got used to this junk.
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How is the perceive system broken? It works fine!
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Queepo50001 wrote:
I hated GS4 in just about every way. The music is inferior (not in quality, but in terms of the actual tunes), the characters are all stupid from the obsessed :minuki: to the rustrating :sassy: to the insane :hobohodo: to the downright stupid :odoroki: (Phoenix was a rookie, but he never was an idiot who got bossed around by a senile hobo.) The Objection theme is my favorite...but completely innapropriate for it's purpose, the redrawn sprites aren't improved much, and the percieve system is broken. I NEVER got used to this junk.

Apollo stupid? He's probably the most competent rookie lawyer (other than 3-4 Mia) in the series! Compare 1-1 & 1-2 (rookie Phoenix), 2-1 (Amnesia so he's temporarily incompetent Phoenix), and 3-1 (Mia) with 4-1 & 4-2.
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Well, what I didn't like about this game is that (D&D analogy) there are too many DMPC's.

For the uninitiated, that basically means super-powered NPC's. Your job is to follow them around and watch them do amazing things. And they're the greatest way to ruin an amazing campaign.

Well, people keep saying that Trucy is very useful. I take great exception to that; useful means that she does things that I couldn't do myself. Sure, she's good at solving the case, but most of us at Court-Records are just as good, if not better, at solving the case. Her only real accomplishments are
Spoiler: 4-2
the fake kidnapping
and stealing your thunder.

Phoenix is a smaller-scale offender, but he's basically the same way, without even one redeeming act. All he does is steal your thunder, because he has some sort of badge-envy.

And then we come to Klavier. Now, don't get me wrong. He was an interesting character. But he did at least as much of my explanation as Trucy. And that's too much explanation. It's like Trucy and Klavier are unnecessary additions to Apollo. If we replaced them with puppets controlled by Apollo, they'd basically say the same things.

Also, I don't care if Apollo is going to be better in GS5. Judging this on the merits of the game alone, it's worse than the other GS games. And we don't know if GS5 is going to be the same.

I thought it was worth a play-through, and
Spoiler: 4-4, 3-5
Kristoph in particular was an amazing villain. I had all the same drive to take him down as in the first three games. The problem is that you don't actually get to DO it. You never even find any decisive evidence against him. I'm quoting somebody here, but the final question in this game is basically "do you want to win this game or not?" I actually felt like I accomplished something after taking down, say, Dahlia. But, the way I defeated Kristoph was by saying "I don't care, I say you're guilty, I win. Court is adjourned!"

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I dont like Apollo's name. I thought Odoroki Hosuke sounded better
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First off:
Compare :odoroki: in 4-3 and 4-4 to :phoenix: in 1-3, 1-4, and 1-5. Phoenix, while always recieving help, was never incapable of drawing conclusions on his own: even in 1-2 he was quick to understand the facts and focus on
Spoiler: 1-2
destroying :redd: and :april: .
He only needed Mia for the decisive evidence.
Spoiler: 4-2
Apollo was incapable of drawing conclusions from the fact that the shot was fired from the wagon, and had to ask hundreds of questions before he even realized that Eldoon was Meraktis's competition.
In 4-3, :odoroki: failed to understand the magic trick for over an hour and had absolutely no diplomacy when dealing with :minuki: 's bluffs. And he had no part in solving 4-4 whatsoever.

As for the Percieve System (and how it sucks):
The GS games are about logic. You are expected to figure out what happened and use your conclusions to defeat the witnesses. Instead, the pecieve system tested your eyesight. The only challenge was created by the fact that the screen was blurry and too little was visible. It would have worked if it didn't tell you when you needed to use the system. The system could have given you hints or been a second path during a hard part of the trial. But GOTCHA!!!!!!!!!! YOU SWALLOWED!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE THEREFORE A MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!! Is just wrong. Just imagine :lunches: was being examined...everybody would be eating! It also had no explanation. I give the devs credit for making the Feys have a decent backstory.
Spoiler: barely a spoiler 4-4
but genetically good eyesight augumented with telepathic rings?
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Compare the Fey's backstory in JUST AA1 with the Gramaryes' backstory in AJ.
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Superninfreak wrote:
Compare the Fey's backstory in JUST AA1 with the Gramaryes' backstory in AJ.


That got old. Fast.
I personally thought Apollo Justice was a good game, but it just wasn't like the others...
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Actually, I think the Gramaryes got more back story than the Feys did in the first game.
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True, the Grammyres got more backstory.
Spoiler: 4-4
I have no problem with the quantity...but at least everybody and her adopted half-cousin's identical twin wasn't a Fey for no better reason than to add a plot twist.
Spoiler: 3-5
Wait a second...
Spoiler: 4-4
Making Apollo, Trucy and Lamiroir related (for no good reason...the Percieve system doesn't count as "good") just didn't feel right. The Grammyre's dynamics felt wrong. What was the deal with Magnifi hiding Lamiroir? Was Valant really in love with Thalassa and what did she think of him. GS1 didn't attempt to make the Fey's history the basis for the game, and so they had an excuse to not answer questions until GS2 and GS3. GS4 centralized that troupe so much that I would expect more answers rather than more questions.

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Queepo50001 wrote:
True, the Grammyres got more backstory.
Spoiler: 4-4
I have no problem with the quantity...but at least everybody and her adopted half-cousin's identical twin wasn't a Fey for no better reason than to add a plot twist.
Spoiler: 3-5
Wait a second...
Spoiler: 4-4
Making Apollo, Trucy and Lamiroir related (for no good reason...the Percieve system doesn't count as "good") just didn't feel right. The Grammyre's dynamics felt wrong. What was the deal with Magnifi hiding Lamiroir? Was Valant really in love with Thalassa and what did she think of him. GS1 didn't attempt to make the Fey's history the basis for the game, and so they had an excuse to not answer questions until GS2 and GS3. GS4 centralized that troupe so much that I would expect more answers rather than more questions.

Spoiler: 3-5
Dahlia and Morgon are related for no good reason.


Spoiler: 4-4
Magnifi had a lot to gain from it, if he even knew about Lamiroir.

And I don't think this is the last we'll hear about the Grammyres

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Spoiler: 3-5
Actually, the stuff with Dahlia and Morgan gave a motive for the killing and allowed the Fey's backstory to close...I was referring to the lame cliche of an identical twin :that-b-word: :ayame:

Spoiler: 4-4 AND 3-5
But :odoroki: :minuki: :gipsy: :Temsai: and :varanbaran: (Apollo's true father, of course) ALL RELATED? While the Feys had some weird coincidences, at least it wasn't this over the top. And in 4-4 you solved: Who killed the patriarch; Who is related to whom; How their magic abilities actually work; and what tore them apart. Those mysteries (replace patriarch with matriarch) were solved gradually throughout the PW trilogy, all reciving closure in 3-5. Ya, we can expect the Grammayres to come back, but with all these things known, can you really expect more backstory? And how did the :Temsai: :gipsy: connection make any sense. Please explain.

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Queepo50001 wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5
Actually, the stuff with Dahlia and Morgan gave a motive for the killing and allowed the Fey's backstory to close...I was referring to the lame cliche of an identical twin :that-b-word: :ayame:

Spoiler: 4-4 AND 3-5
But :odoroki: :minuki: :gipsy: :Temsai: and :varanbaran: (Apollo's true father, of course) ALL RELATED? While the Feys had some weird coincidences, at least it wasn't this over the top. And in 4-4 you solved: Who killed the patriarch; Who is related to whom; How their magic abilities actually work; and what tore them apart. Those mysteries (replace patriarch with matriarch) were solved gradually throughout the PW trilogy, all reciving closure in 3-5. Ya, we can expect the Grammayres to come back, but with all these things known, can you really expect more backstory? And how did the :Temsai: :gipsy: connection make any sense. Please explain.


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Dahlia and Morgan being related may have helped with the motive (although it actually wasn't because of her mother that Dahlia tried to kill Maya, it was because she hated Mia) but it was still random, it's like if they revealed that Franziska (sp?) was Morgan's daughter. And there is a good amount they can reveal still concerning the Grammayres, such as why Thallasia (sp?) didn't raise Apollo and what happend with that, plus they could tell us how she ended up in Borginia. And for the :Temsai: :gipsy: thing, IF Magnifi even knew about it, he would still gain from blackmailing Zak and Valant, he could make them do whatever he wanted (as proven with the fact that they were tempted to actually kill him because he asked them to).

If you mean why are they related at all, again, Dahlia & Morgan.

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It's cliche, but I thought that the whole 3-5 deal was put together really well, and the cliches were put to good use.

Even though it's relatively smaller, the Gramaryes weren't explained well enough. While the whole Magnifi and his two apprentices was put together well,
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the Thalassa part wasn't prepared well enough.
Who knows? maybe there'll be more to add in in GS5.
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Spoiler: 3-5, 4-4
The whole case 3-5 was based around summoning the dead. How else could :chinami: come back after 3-1? So the Feys needed to be involved. And the connection with Morgan was a fine way to do it. Can Franny raise the dead? Also, Magnifi could blackmail the Troupe regardless of if Thalassa was dead. THEY STILL SHOT HER! Those two would still go to jail (reckless endangerment) and Thalassa would never be the same again thanks to her destroyed memory. That's still grounds for blackmail. There will probably be more stuff in GS5, but, with so many of the mysteries solved, can you expect it to be entertaining?

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While I see your point about family backstory, Queepo, and I agree that one too many people are Gramaryes...let's not try to make GS1-3 exactly parallel to GS4-6, eh?
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Queepo50001 wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5, 4-4
The whole case 3-5 was based around summoning the dead. How else could :chinami: come back after 3-1? So the Feys needed to be involved. And the connection with Morgan was a fine way to do it. Can Franny raise the dead? Also, Magnifi could blackmail the Troupe regardless of if Thalassa was dead. THEY STILL SHOT HER! Those two would still go to jail (reckless endangerment) and Thalassa would never be the same again thanks to her destroyed memory. That's still grounds for blackmail. There will probably be more stuff in GS5, but, with so many of the mysteries solved, can you expect it to be entertaining?


We don't know much about the shooting at the moment, the game wasn't very clear, maybe a future game will clarify it. As it stands now, it seems that Magnifi didn't know that she survived, or if he thought she might have survived he didn't know where she was, because had he of found her, I'd think she'd know more about her past (until her memory came back after the surgery anyway). And again, while it makes sense in a sense to make the Dahlia-Fey connection, it's still a really random twist on the level with :karma: being Pearl's real father and coming back from the dead via spirit channeling and helping Morgan in her plan (he would actually have a motive, revenge on :phoenix:).
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You know, it seems like everyone, almost everyone in 4-1, 4-3, and 4-4 were related to eachother, and it got a little annoying, because at least in T&T they saved it mostly for 3-5, and had filler characters to boot. AJ only had 1.
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So would Valant be Apollo's half-uncle? And Zak would be his stepdad?
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The worst thing with AJ is that apollo isnt the main character in his own game. The main character is phoenix and everything circels around him. And i hate capcom for taking his badge away. I will never see a Pw game again :sadshoe:
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Glad you like it, I think it's a big pile of junk, lazy capcom. And I don't think you should've mentioned you tried emulator. People paid money here.
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Capcom wasn't being lazy. They made a good game, and that's all I'll say.
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Capcom WAS lazy. All the plot twists were lame (hello? notice the debate going on through ths thread) or unexplained, leaving far more holes than the first three. They can try to explain things like :garyuu: or
Spoiler: 4-4
:Temsai: :gipsy:
, but they will fail because those things should be finished and ammending GS4 would be stupid. :hobohodo: ruined this game enough as it is.
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There's no reason to be rude. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and debates can be fun, but let's please not see this dissolve into rudeness and anger. That's just not nice.

On a side note, you also have to remember that the games are connected and they aren't going to solve all the mysteries in one game because that would leave nothing for later games. Besides, we are a bit off topic. The first post and original topic...

Sustained wrote:
Well I haven't bought GS4 yet (missed a previous chance) but I'm playing it on an emulator right now, and as with every other GS game past the previous one I played, I never think I'll get used to the characters, voices, music, anything. But I haven't even finished the 1st case of GS4 and I'm already loving it. It's taking me less time to get used to it than it took me to get used to GS2 and 3.

Any of you feel the same way? Like the new game grows on you?


Yeah actually. Not just this one but in the previous arc I would often have trouble adjusting to new additions, but each time I adapted quicker to changes.
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I got into it really quick too.

I thought I wouldnt be able to stand different characters (like with Final Fantasy) but there was some really good new ones to rival the previous ones. For me, Apollo was very similar to Phoenix, and I didnt think much of him, it was the other characters that I loved, and I loved how there was still some old characters kept in.
Im looking forward to seeing the next game, and I still hope they at least mention some old characters for old times sake XD
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Usually with the previous GS games, I feel really weird starting out because the music is different, and so are most of the characters. I'd end up really missing the previous game, but then I'd get used to it after a case. But since I was really looking forward to AJ, I didn't really feel the same way. I got into the game loving the music, characters, and cases right away. Admittedly, I still missed the old characters and everything, but I loved the new characters just as much.
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Personally :phoenix: relied on Mia alot,
Spoiler:
1-2, the receipt, 2-2 the whole Morgan Fey thing, the 2 most obvious ones
plus phoenix only knows how to turn objects over in 1-5 and
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and the whole Mason system time traveling thing which i thought was awesome
. I was slightly disappointed of the lack of past characters, but aside it was an awesome game.
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