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Was Kay underused?
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Gumshoe I get, but Fransizka? I really liked Kay and it's a shame that it seemed like she got cheated on her screen time. Even when she was part of the case.
Or am I just overthinking it?
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Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote:
After all Kay was advertised heavily for this game as the brand spannking new female lead. Edgy's Maya so to speak. Yet Kay ended up being extremely underused compared to Gumshoe and Fransizka.
Gumshoe I get, but Fransizka? I really liked Kay and it's a shame that it seemed like she got cheated on her screen time. Even when she was part of the case.
Or am I just overthinking it?
Gumshoe I get, but Fransizka? I really liked Kay and it's a shame that it seemed like she got cheated on her screen time. Even when she was part of the case.
Or am I just overthinking it?
well in a sense your right...every character that has been a main character in the series thus far has been introduced in the 1st or 2nd case but shes the first really to be introduced in case 3 but cheated...ehh...many characters only get a one case screen time at that are only talked to a few times plus maybe a cameo or two later while the main lead usually following gets plenty of dialog for each case at that so I feel kay wasn't underused at all. :P
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The only real solution here, barring an appearance in GS5 (and after what they did to Hobohodo, I'm not sure I trust them to handle a Phoenix-era character properly) is for Capcom to come up with GK2 (and as a serious game, not just fanservice).
Screw you Apollo, Kay is hot and you're not, so your belated character development can wait just a bit longer as far as I'm concerned!
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KingRaptor wrote:
The only real solution here, barring an appearance in GS5 (and after what they did to Hobohodo, I'm not sure I trust them to handle a Phoenix-era character properly) is for Capcom to come up with GK2 (and as a serious game, not just fanservice).
Screw you Apollo, Kay is hot and you're not, so your belated character development can wait just a bit longer as far as I'm concerned!
Screw you Apollo, Kay is hot and you're not, so your belated character development can wait just a bit longer as far as I'm concerned!
I would fully support this. Actually, GK begs for a sequel and I think it was set up that way on purpose. Capcom needs to get explaining on what happened to Edgeworth in GS4, stat.
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GK2 would be gdlk.
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Problem with Francizka is that I'm not part of the group that likes her personality. She's an antagonist in the 2nd game for a reason, and she's nowhere near as likable as the others. Plus she brings out the boring "perfect prosecutor, logical thinking" talk in Edgeworth.
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Katana wrote:
Problem with Francizka is that I'm not part of the group that likes her personality. She's an antagonist in the 2nd game for a reason, and she's nowhere near as likable as the others. Plus she brings out the boring "perfect prosecutor, logical thinking" talk in Edgeworth.
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis? Franziska giving Edgeworth shit for liking the Steel Samurai had some of the best moments in the game.
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Case 4 - best case; most Franziska.
Cases 2 & 5 - great cases; moderate amount of Franziska
Case 1 - decent case; no Franziska
Case 3 - annoying case; no Franziska
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.Storm Parakaitz wrote:
KingRaptor wrote:
The only real solution here, barring an appearance in GS5 (and after what they did to Hobohodo, I'm not sure I trust them to handle a Phoenix-era character properly) is for Capcom to come up with GK2 (and as a serious game, not just fanservice).
Screw you Apollo, Kay is hot and you're not, so your belated character development can wait just a bit longer as far as I'm concerned!
Screw you Apollo, Kay is hot and you're not, so your belated character development can wait just a bit longer as far as I'm concerned!
I would fully support this. Actually, GK begs for a sequel and I think it was set up that way on purpose. Capcom needs to get explaining on what happened to Edgeworth in GS4, stat.
Not like it's really necessary. AJ had no reason to touch up on what Edgeworth's up to and even if it did, he'd probably be off doing more work or in Europe.
Anyway, Kay. Definitely wished they had done more with her but the set ups also gypped her a little. She couldn't really appear in case 1 because it would kill the question of 'who is Yatagarsu'? straight off the bat. Case 2, she didn't really have any business being there and if she'd been shoehorned in I don't think the case would have worked as well. Got lots of screen time in case 3 and it made sense. Case 4 wasn't bad but it left Kay with only two present day case appearances and in case five she definitely got the shaft, aside from the brief use of Little Thief. They could have had her do an actual thievey for evidence or eavesdropping or something in case 5 but then she'd probably get arrested+illegal evidence.
Honestly, I think what they really needed was another case if they wanted to give Kay a bit more attention but because of the way the plot was set up it probably would've made things clunky.
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Robin Goodfellow wrote:
he'd probably be off doing more work or in Europe.
Not in my mind.
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.Storm Parakaitz wrote:
Robin Goodfellow wrote:
he'd probably be off doing more work or in Europe.
Not in my mind.
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Heh, okay then...
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.Storm Parakaitz wrote:
Robin Goodfellow wrote:
he'd probably be off doing more work or in Europe.
Not in my mind.
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Icarus wrote:
.Storm Parakaitz wrote:
Robin Goodfellow wrote:
he'd probably be off doing more work or in Europe.
Not in my mind.
Spoiler:
Spoiler: Case 5
Grr I know that, but one thing can lead to another. Maybe I should have clarified in my post but I was in just such a "I'M STOOPIT" mood to do so.
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.Storm Parakaitz wrote:
Robin Goodfellow wrote:
he'd probably be off doing more work or in Europe.
Not in my mind.
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Heh, okay then...
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
The developers did the best they could with so many characters and they actually introduced and identified each of them to the players very well. I'd argue that Kay's Little Thief - not Kay herself - was underused, although I suppose more usage would beget a more in-depth explanation of how it functions and I doubt the developers need more than "lol science" to do that.
Yeah, my problem wasn't really with Kay, but with how much Little Thief was built up as a intergral part of the game. Then it gets used 2 times.
*sigh*
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Solaris Knight wrote:
Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
The developers did the best they could with so many characters and they actually introduced and identified each of them to the players very well. I'd argue that Kay's Little Thief - not Kay herself - was underused, although I suppose more usage would beget a more in-depth explanation of how it functions and I doubt the developers need more than "lol science" to do that.
Yeah, my problem wasn't really with Kay, but with how much Little Thief was built up as a intergral part of the game. Then it gets used 2 times.
*sigh*
I think that's okay. Edgeworth dosen't need to walk around and investigate if Kay uses her Little Thief very often. i'd like to visit the crime scene by myself(Edgey) ,rather than running around in a virtual world. To me,too much Little Thief would be Boring. ^^"
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Screentime-wise, Franziska, Gumshoe and Kay all around the same - Franziska got case 4 and half of case 2 as well as a bit of case 5; Gumshoe case 1, half of case 2, bits of cases 4 and 5; Kay case 3 and most of case 5.
The central storyline revolved around her so she was extremely important plotwise. Maybe it's true that the plot kicked in a bit late - there were the smuggling ring hints, but we didn't actually meet any related characters until case 3 - but Kay had more than enough time to prove herself as a character. We also got to see her in the past so as to witness her character development
Regarding Little Thief, it became a lot less amazing once everyone realized it was only conjecture and stopped taking it seriously. I loved the Little Thief segments, but they just seemed a bit too suspension-of-disbeilefy for me and I don't think they should've used it more than they did.
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Its one of those things you only realize when you think of the series of games for a long moment. With 5 games behind them, I think they can start changing up the narrative structure. (I've complained before how the whole old case/current case synergism is getting old.)
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Naruhodou wrote:
I thought the same thing when I finished case two and she had no shown up whatsoever. To be hones this whole "young girl sidekick" trope this series seems adamant to keep alive seems kind of pointless.
Yeah, it really wasn't at all necessary to introduce a new young girl sidekick, because although every game so far has had the teenage girl, I think most people would have been happy with just Gumshoe. Or Ema, if lacking a underage girl would somehow have made this game not sell (which I seriously doubt). I appreciate that they went through the trouble of writing Kay as a part of the story, and I don't have any real problem with her, but I can't really see how or why they apparently came to the conclusion that the game really, really needed that character.
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Mipeltaja wrote:
Naruhodou wrote:
I thought the same thing when I finished case two and she had no shown up whatsoever. To be hones this whole "young girl sidekick" trope this series seems adamant to keep alive seems kind of pointless.
Yeah, it really wasn't at all necessary to introduce a new young girl sidekick, because although every game so far has had the teenage girl, I think most people would have been happy with just Gumshoe. Or Ema, if lacking a underage girl would somehow have made this game not sell (which I seriously doubt). I appreciate that they went through the trouble of writing Kay as a part of the story, and I don't have any real problem with her, but I can't really see how or why they apparently came to the conclusion that the game really, really needed that character.
Case 4 Franziska von Karma is the best underage girl sidekick bar none.
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But...but Franziska rags on EVERYone for having imperfect qualities! And it's imperfection that makes us human...
Umm... didn't you see who her father was
? that kind of thing is something she dosn't care about
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Yep, I'd say that she was definitely underused!
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Mipeltaja wrote:
Naruhodou wrote:
I thought the same thing when I finished case two and she had no shown up whatsoever. To be hones this whole "young girl sidekick" trope this series seems adamant to keep alive seems kind of pointless.
Yeah, it really wasn't at all necessary to introduce a new young girl sidekick, because although every game so far has had the teenage girl, I think most people would have been happy with just Gumshoe. Or Ema, if lacking a underage girl would somehow have made this game not sell (which I seriously doubt). I appreciate that they went through the trouble of writing Kay as a part of the story, and I don't have any real problem with her, but I can't really see how or why they apparently came to the conclusion that the game really, really needed that character.
I don't know. I think the young, bubbly female sidekick works well because she counterbalances the seriousness of the main character. Especially in this game, without the likes of Kay, we wouldn't have gotten some of those more playful interactions out of Edgeworth's normally straight-faced character. Gumshoe is just fine for comic relief once in a while, but I don't really think I could have stood having him around for every case (but maybe that's just me).
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Mipeltaja wrote:
Yeah, it really wasn't at all necessary to introduce a new young girl sidekick, because although every game so far has had the teenage girl, I think most people would have been happy with just Gumshoe. Or Ema, if lacking a underage girl would somehow have made this game not sell (which I seriously doubt). I appreciate that they went through the trouble of writing Kay as a part of the story, and I don't have any real problem with her, but I can't really see how or why they apparently came to the conclusion that the game really, really needed that character.
But Kay is pretty central to the plot, with the whole
Spoiler: AAI-3-5
Was Kay underused? I don't really think so. A lot of the plot has to do with her history and reasons for being in the game, like
Spoiler: AAI-4
Spoiler: AAI-5
But yes, she does feel a bit underdeveloped as a character, because the game itself is too short and there aren't enough situations that would fit her into the story. Her past is explored, but her personality feels a bit generic and bland, especially since she's a bit of a carbon copy of her predecessors due to her character type...
I personally like flashback cases, because it gives more insight into character history (plus it's fun to see characters when they're younger, to compare with where they are now). And because cases in the AA-verse are always related to some other old cases X years ago, it's fun to dig them up.
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In case 4 she appeared but not as your partner.
I think she's a bit underused,yes
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The scenes where Kay had an active role in the story were comparatively few in number, and while some of them were fairly nice, none had quite the oomph of Lang's starring scenes, or stuff like Franziska's moments in 2-4 and Maya's in 1-4, 2-4 and 3-5. Nothing that was quite a crowning moment of either Awesome or Heartwarming. I think Capcom got a little too carried away with the genki escapism aspect and neglected to give her something that would really stand out from the sidekick formula they've been rehashing thus far.
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