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Welcome all! This topic is devoted to finding out the truth about Calisto Yew.
Spoiler: AAI case 5
We all know that Calisto isn't her real name. So what is? And since she has two appearances, which one does she really resemble, if either?
That's where we come in. By using Edgey's Logical Cravat Method, we can figure out her entire back-story.

But Edgey likes to be neat and orderly. So there will be a certain procedure that is to be followed.

You can contribute any of the following. (Or hold a little discussion about someone else's contribution.) All contributions must be labeled accordingly.

1. An Inquisitive Question

You can just post a question you want to have answered about Calisto. I will make a collection of them in my second post. These questions will be among the things we'll aim to answer in this topic.

Examples:

Spoiler: AAI case 5
Inquisitive Questions

What is Calisto/Shih-na's real name?
What does she look like?
What is her hair color?
Are Calisto's freckles real, or did she fake them with make-up?
What was she doing before AAI case 4? (What's her back-story?)


2. An Information Deposit

This will be added to the Information Bank, which will be in the second post I make in this topic. Things that would go under this type of contribution would be stuff we already know. This stuff must be actual facts, so we will have something to build on. It's kind of like those little Logic bubbles that float around in Edgey's mind.

Examples:

Spoiler: AAI case 5
Information Deposit

Calisto has freckles.
Shih-na does not have freckles.
Shih-na wears foundation.


3. A Logical Leap

This is like the little thing Edgey does when he yells, "Eureka!" When you post one of these, you can yell "Eureka!" too, if you like. It should be a logical conclusion about Calisto based on evidence in the Information Bank. The conclusions from Logical Leaps will be added to the Information Bank and can be used to fuel more Logical Leaps. However, they can be argued with, and if they are proven wrong will be removed from the Information Bank.

Example:

Spoiler: AAI case 5
Logical Leap

Since Calisto has freckles, Shih-na does not, and Shih-na wears foundation, her freckles are real, and she wears the foundation to cover them when she poses as Shih-na.


4. A Conjecture Explosion

If you come up with a crazy theory with little to back it up, post it as a Conjecture Explosion. However, we do expect you to have something to back up your theory, although it doesn't have to be from the Information Bank. Conjecture Explosions are treated as just that: conjecture. They are not added to the Information Bank. However, they can be debated over, and are meant to make people think, but should be used sparingly.

Example:

Spoiler: AAI case 5
Conjecture Explosion

Maybe Calisto's real name is Raven. Think about it - that could be why they're called the Yatagarasu, or three-legged raven.


Now it's your turn. Respond to my examples or come up with ones of your own!
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Spoiler: Inquisitive Questions - AAI spoilers
What is Calisto/Shih-na's real name?
What does she look like?
What is her hair color?
Are Calisto's freckles real, or did she fake them with make-up?
What was she doing before AAI case 4? (What's her back-story?)
Did Shih-na think that murdering Byrne Faraday wasn't a nice mission?
Did Quercus actually order the hit, or was she covering to save herself?
If Calisto masterminded the whole thing (not sure if she did or not) what would her motive be? What would she be trying to accomplish?
How did she join Interpol?
22 is a very young age to be an experienced lawyer. Was she a prodigy like Edgeworth? Or is this not her true age?
How come Lang didn't notice anything strange about her? It's implied that he's quite tight with his "pack".
When did Calisto join the smuggling ring?
If the smuggling ring wouldn't hire a child, then why would they want Calisto in the smuggling ring?
Calisto was assigned to be Shih-na. Does that mean she was doing something in Zheng Fa at the time?
What was she doing in Zheng Fa besides keeping an eye on Lang?
How did she pose as Cece Yew's sister? Wouldn't she know she doesn't have a sister?
Why doesn't Shih-na have a last name? Wouldn't that make people suspicious?


Spoiler: Information Bank - AAI spoilers
Calisto has freckles.
Shih-na does not have freckles.
Shih-na wears foundation.

Calisto's freckles are real, and she wears the foundation to cover them when she poses as Shih-na.
Shih-na tried to murder Kay Faraday.
Seeing as she tried to murder Byrne's daughter, it is possible that she actually felt no guilt about killing him.
In the Japanese version, it more implies that she HAD to kill him, without specifying if Quercus directly ordered her to, unlike the localized version.
She had an attorney badge, but it is unclear whether it is legitimate or fake.
Calisto Yew's age was listed as 22 at the time of AAI-4.
Calisto is one third of the Yatagarasu.
The Yatagarasu functioned because it had a defense attorney, a prosecutor, and a detective.

She probably was a defense attorney before joining/forming the Yatagarasu, as that is the reason she contributed to the group.
She may had Alba create a cover-up background and/or fake family.
Calisto pretended to be Cece Yew's older sister.
Calisto pretended to be an Interpol agent named Shih-na.

Alba was the one who created the "Calisto Yew" story for her to pretend to be.
Alba also told her to pose as Shih-na.

Calisto Yew has very dark brown eyes, where as Shih-na's eyes are ... red?
Calisto Yew is the one with contacts and red is her real eye-color.
Shih-na has fangs.
Shih-na's skin is slightly more pale than Calisto's skin.

Shih-na is a vampire
Shih-na has amazing white teeth, fangs, and a boa.
Lang has amazing white teeth, fangs, and a boa.

The boa was a present from Lang.
Lang was shocked at her secret identity.
Lang's official art shows them back to back.

They may be boyfriend and girlfriend.
Calisto was nineteen when she began pretending to be Cece's sister.
A international smuggling ring is not going to trust a brand new or inexperienced member to go undercover and do such an important job for them.
The smuggling ring also would not hire children.

Calisto joined the smuggling ring when she was an underaged teenager.
Calisto uses make up very often.
Shih-na's skin tone may be her real tone of the skin.
Lang was in Zheng Fa when Calisto received her orders. So she had to have been to Zheng Fa.
During her time with Lang in Zheng Fa, she must have gotten more orders from the ring.
Shih-na's fangs are longer than her other teeth.
That means that Shih-na could not have sharpened her teeth. The fangs are either real (meaning that she's a vampire) or fake fangs she put over her real teeth.
Calisto is a genus of butterfly.
Alba is the ambassador of Allebahst.
Akbey Hicks, Lang, and Shih-na were in Zheng Fa.
Akbey was killed by Cammy Meele after his trip to Zheng Fa.

Shih-na was spying on Hicks posing as an Interpol agent also.
Cece Yew had already died when Calisto posed as her sister.
The pick is wet. However, Shih-na is not wet.

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Ooh wow, I love the whole procedure for this thread! So legal, so chic.

1. Inquisitive Question
Spoiler:
Was Shih-na lying when she said that murdering Byrne Faraday wasn't a nice mission? Did Quercus actually order the hit, or was she covering to save herself?


2. Information Bank
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Shih-na tried to murder Kay Faraday.


3. Logical Leap
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Seeing as she tried to murder Byrne's daughter, it is possible that she actually felt no guilt about killing him.


4. Conjecture Explosion
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Seeing as Quercus never mentioned him ordering the death of Deed, Byrne and Mack, Calisto might have masterminded the whole thing and killed them all for her own motives.

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Thanks, The Red Dahlia! :edgy:

I have a question for you:
Inquisitive Question
Spoiler:
If Calisto masterminded the whole thing (not sure if she did or not) what would her motive be? What would she be trying to accomplish?

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Wheee pointless procedure! It's kinda fun :B

Information Deposit

Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure in the Japanese version Calisto's line is closer to "It's not like I killed him because I wanted to." I'll have to check to be sure, but I think it's a bit more insightful than "It wasn't a very pleasant mission." It more implies that she HAD to kill him, without specifying if Quercus directly ordered her to, unlike the localized version.

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Inquisitive Question
Spoiler:
How did she join Interpol?

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Question:
Spoiler:
What was she doing before AAI case 4? (What's her back-story?)

Information Deposit:
Spoiler:
She had an attorney badge, meaning she was a premitted lawyer.

Assumption:
Spoiler:
She became a part of the ring when she was about to finish learning law, or after it. Otherwise, it was not worthwhile to employ someone when it just started to study.
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Haik wrote:
Information Deposit:
Spoiler:
She had an attorney badge, meaning she was a premitted lawyer.


:objection:
Spoiler:
Furio Tigre passed as a trial lawyer with a defense attorney's badge made out of cardboard. Though Calisto Yew was a known attorney, her badge could be fake (though if it was fake it's probably a good copy and not made out of cardboard) so it's possible she never took the bar.


Now...

Information Deposit:
Spoiler:
Calisto Yew's age was listed as 22 at the time of AAI-4.


Inquisitive Question:
Spoiler:
22 is a very young age to be an experienced lawyer. Was she a prodigy like Edgeworth? Or is this not her true age?

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Thank you all for caring about and contributing to my topic!!!

Clamerdin wrote:
Inquisitive Question
Spoiler:
How did she join Interpol?

Information Deposit
Spoiler:
Calisto worked for Alba, who had a lot of "influence" on the world.
Interpol was after Calisto and Alba's smuggling ring.


Logical Leap
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Alba used his "influence" to get Calisto a job in Interpol. After all, Interpol was after the ring, so Alba probably wanted inside information.

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Really weird, random theory coming up here:
Spoiler:
Maybe she's actually related to Godot... They're both a bit snobby, and good at arguing...
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Croik wrote:

Information Deposit

Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure in the Japanese version Calisto's line is closer to "It's not like I killed him because I wanted to." I'll have to check to be sure, but I think it's a bit more insightful than "It wasn't a very pleasant mission." It more implies that she HAD to kill him, without specifying if Quercus directly ordered her to, unlike the localized version.
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Ahh, that's interesting, thanks for that little gem of knowledge! Hm, the possibilities are endless...

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Thanks, The Red Dahlia! :edgy:

I have a question for you:
Inquisitive Question
Spoiler:
If Calisto masterminded the whole thing (not sure if she did or not) what would her motive be? What would she be trying to accomplish?


Conjecture Implosion!
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My totally random "crack" theory is that she was running her own dodgy business on the side, like a drug pushing ring, and that he was going to present evidence that would somehow implicate her or someone in her organisation... And my proof is, um..... well nothing really, but it'd still be cool!


Tenderlender wrote:
Really weird, random theory coming up here:
Spoiler:
Maybe she's actually related to Godot... They're both a bit snobby, and good at arguing...

Spoiler:
Yes! And they both have similar complexions and facial features (ish), and Calisto looks like she has had a lot of coffee since she laughs so energetically!


Ok, so I should contribute something serious now:
Spoiler: Information Bank
Calisto is one third of the Yatagarasu.

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Haik wrote:
Question:
Spoiler:
What was she doing before AAI case 4? (What's her back-story?)

Information Deposit:
Spoiler:
She had an attorney badge, meaning she was a premitted lawyer.

Assumption:
Spoiler:
She became a part of the ring when she was about to finish learning law, or after it. Otherwise, it was not worthwhile to employ someone when it just started to study.

Now that I think about it, you might be onto something...

Information Deposit:
Spoiler:
The Yatagarasu functioned because it had a defense attorney, a prosecutor, and a detective.


Logical Leap:
Spoiler:
She probably was a defense attorney before joining/forming the Yatagarasu, as that is the reason she contributed to the group.

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Magatama Maya wrote:

Spoiler: AAI case 5
Conjecture Explosion

Maybe Calisto's real name is Raven. Think about it - that could be why they're called the Yatagarasu, or three-legged raven.


Conjecture Explosion
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If that is true then it is a good possibillity that she is the founding member of the Yatagarasu.

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I f'ing love this thread. Also, this isn't helping the fact that Yew is becoming my newest obsession. :D

Inquisitive Question:
Spoiler:
How come Lang didn't notice anything strange about her? It's implied that he's quite tight with his "pack".

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Deposit:
Spoiler:
She may had Alba create a cover-up background and/or fake family.


This is fun! :will:
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Clamerdin wrote:
Deposit:
Spoiler:
She may had Alba create a cover-up background and/or fake family.


Information Deposit
Spoiler:
Calisto pretended to be Cece Yew's older sister.
Calisto pretended to be an Interpol agent named Shih-na.


Logical Leap
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Alba was the one who created the "Calisto Yew" story for her to pretend to be.
Alba also told her to pose as Shih-na.

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Information deposit:

Spoiler:
Calisto Yew has very dark brown eyes, where as Shih-na's eyes are ... red?


Logical leap:

Spoiler:
So as a brown-eyed person myself I know that very dark-colored eyes are not really possible to make a lighter color with contacts. Therefore I'd say that Calisto Yew is the one with contacts and red is her real eye-color.


Yeah, I'm doing a third nightshift in a row and I'm about to fall asleep any minute, so... I think about Calisto Yew's eye-color. :D;;
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Okay, I can't take it anymore. I'm going to name the elephant in room.

Ramika wrote:
Information deposit:

Spoiler:
Calisto Yew has very dark brown eyes, where as Shih-na's eyes are ... red?



Information Deposit:
Spoiler: AAI case 5
Shih-na has fangs: Image

Shih-na's skin is slightly more pale than Calisto's skin.


Logical Leap:
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Shih-na is a vampire!!! (Stranger things have happened. Maya is a spirit medium.)

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Oh my god, that's the coolest theory ever. =]

...I've nothing else useful to add at the moment, I'll think of something later. :bellboy:
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Info Deposit
Spoiler:
Shih-na has amazing white teeth, fangs, and a boa.


Info Deposit
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Lang has amazing white teeth, fangs, and a boa.


Conjecture Explosion
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They went to get their teeth whitened and sharpened together.


Logical Leap
Spoiler:
The boa was a present from Lang.


Info Deposit
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Lang was shocked at her secret identity.
Lang's official art shows them back to back.


Conjecture Explosion/Logical Leap
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They are boyfriend and girlfriend.

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I'll have to break the awesome template of this thread, cause once again I'm at work, it's 5:30 am and I can't think of how to label this theory...

Spoiler: Anyways...
It doesn't seem to me that Lang and Shih-na would have a boyfriend/girlfriend-kind of relationship going on. I think Shih-na wouldn't let him that close as it might risk her mission. However I wouldn't be surprised if they were having occational sex.

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Nah, I can't see Shih-na and Shi-Long dating or anything, they just seem like really, really close friends to me.
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Sorry for double-posting. DX

Spoiler: Inquisitive Question
When did Calisto join the smuggling ring?

Spoiler: Information Deposit
-Calisto was nineteen when she began pretending to be Cece's sister. (That's right, isn't it? KG-8 took place three years before AAI-4, and 22-3=19...)

-A international smuggling ring is not going to trust a brand new or inexperienced member to go undercover and do such an important job for them.

-They also would not hire children. (Well, you know. I hope they wouldn't hire children)

Spoiler: Logical Leap
Calisto joined the smuggling ring when she was an underaged teenager.


Which kind of makes you wonder about her childhood.

I hope I did that right...
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Info deposit
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Calisto uses make up very often.

Logical leap
Spoiler:
Shiina's skin tone is her real tone of the skin.

A Conjecture Explosion
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Maybe "shiina" is calisto's true form, with another name. Calisto is just a character she made up.

Yeah, I'm probably wrong
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It could be possible since Alba and Coachen were both originally from Cohdopia that Calisto was a Cohdopian as well. Just a wild guess...

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P!ATD wrote:
Spoiler: Logical Leap
Calisto joined the smuggling ring when she was an underaged teenager.


Spoiler: Inquistitive Question
If that's so, then why would they want Calisto in the smuggling ring?

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I dunno. Maybe they just didn't care about her age, once she could do her job well. Or maybe there was some sort of advantage to having a teenager in the group. I dunno.

Spoiler: Unless....Conjecture Explosion
Alba's her dad, and he wanted her to join the 'family business' at a young age........... Uh, yeah. When I was playing AAI, I honestly thought he was her dad. I was surprised when they never said anything about it.


And I agree with Auraion's theory, I think she might really look like Shih-na.
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Lemme try:

Spoiler: Inquisitive Question
Calisto was assigned to be Shih-Na. Does that mean she was doing something in Zheng Fa at the time?


Spoiler: Information Deposit
Lang was in Zheng Fa when Calisto received her orders. So she had to have been to Zheng Fa.


Spoiler: Logical Leap
During her time with Lang in Zheng Fa, she must have gotten more orders from the ring.


Spoiler: Conjecture Explosion
She had to have gotten orders and cause something in Zheng Fa, or else her mission ould be pointless. She could have been assigned to watch Lang when he was in Japan (Or America but everyone knows its Japan) because the ring would be able to keep a closer eye on him. Maybe her mission revolved a bit around Akbey Hicks...


But that leaves the question:
Spoiler: Inquisitive Question
What was she doing in Zheng Fa besides keeping an eye on Lang?


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P!ATD wrote:
Spoiler: Unless....Conjecture Explosion
Alba's her dad, and he wanted her to join the 'family business' at a young age........... Uh, yeah. When I was playing AAI, I honestly thought he was her dad. I was surprised when they never said anything about it.


That seems to make sense, but if that's so wouldn't that be important enough to mention, or at least imply?
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P!ATD wrote:
Spoiler: Unless....Conjecture Explosion
Alba's her dad, and he wanted her to join the 'family business' at a young age........... Uh, yeah. When I was playing AAI, I honestly thought he was her dad. I was surprised when they never said anything about it.


That seems to make sense, but if that's so wouldn't that be important enough to mention, or at least imply?


Good point. They probably wouldn't skip over something like that. But maybe...
Spoiler: Conjecture Explosion
Alba is her Grandpa. That would make it more plausible. Plus, it wouldn't be as big of a thing to skip over than Alba being her dad.


Just a thought.
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Even though Franciska said Castillo Yew hasn't changed a bit in 7 years, she was probably the character who changed the most from that flashback case.
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Dark Coffee Drinker wrote:
PollyGramarye wrote:
P!ATD wrote:
Spoiler: Unless....Conjecture Explosion
Alba's her dad, and he wanted her to join the 'family business' at a young age........... Uh, yeah. When I was playing AAI, I honestly thought he was her dad. I was surprised when they never said anything about it.


That seems to make sense, but if that's so wouldn't that be important enough to mention, or at least imply?


Good point. They probably wouldn't skip over something like that. But maybe...
Spoiler: Conjecture Explosion
Alba is her Grandpa. That would make it more plausible. Plus, it wouldn't be as big of a thing to skip over than Alba being her dad.


Just a thought.


Maybe he's her father AND her grandfather!!! :gant:

I just checked the character pages, and he's 43 years older than her, so it's possible for her to be either his child or his grandchild, age-wise.

Why they didn't mention it....maybe it just wasn't something either of them wanted to share with Edgeworth. I dunno. Or maybe Shih-na didn't know he was her dad/granda or something. XD

Ha ha, I don't even know why I'm arguing this, I don't even think they're related any more, it was only when I was playing the game. XD
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I'm thinking that if Magatama Maya doesn't sign in by the 17th, I'm probably going to redo the topic just so that we can keep this fun little thread going. :godot:
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If you ask the mods, they'll make you be the topic creator so you can edit the first post.

So does anyone else have anything to say about Calisto?
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P!ATD wrote:
If you ask the mods, they'll make you be the topic creator so you can edit the first post.

So does anyone else have anything to say about Calisto?


That's probably a good idea. I'll go see if I can find anything.
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Dark Coffee Drinker wrote:
I'm thinking that if Magatama Maya doesn't sign in by the 17th, I'm probably going to redo the topic just so that we can keep this fun little thread going. :godot:


I'm sooooo sorry! :nixiesob:

Okay, I was going to update the thread every week, but when I went on, people were talking about how much Lang and Shih-na are in love, and I really, really didn't want anything to do with that conversation. Then there were a LOT of posts, so I kind of procrastinated... I'm really sorry.

Anyway...

Information Deposit
Spoiler:
Shih-na's fangs are longer than her other teeth.


Logical Leap
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That means that Shih-na could not have sharpened her teeth. (Even though Clamerdin's comment about Shih-na and Lang getting their teeth sharpened together is hilarious.) The fangs are either real (meaning that she's a vampire) or fake fangs she put over her real teeth.


Regarding the theory that Shih-na and Alba are related:

Information Deposit
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Calisto is a genus of butterfly.

Alba is the ambassador of Allebahst.


Conjecture Explosion
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Calisto cannot be related to Alba, because Alba would never allow his daughter or granddaughter to go by the name of a butterfly. This is because the butterfly is the symbol of Babahl, and Allebahst and Babahl pretty much hate each other.

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I don't really have much to offer but a contradiction in the second post:

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Calisto has freckles.
Shih-na does not have freckles.
Shih-na wears foundation.
Calisto's freckles are real, and she wears the foundation to cover them when she poses as Shih-na.
Shih-na's skin is slightly more pale than Calisto's skin.
Calisto uses make up very often.
Shih-na's skin tone is her real tone of the skin.


So she uses a foundation to make her skin darker when she's Calisto, but those are her real freckles? The foundation would cover them up. It's possible that the reason her skin is a bit more dark is because she's more tanned; this would explain the freckles, too. It's also possible to have used a white powder to make her skin look more pale.

Also, freckles drawn on with make up look rather unnatural. My guess is that it's probably a combination of tanning/avoiding the sun and using a lighter make up later on.
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Yes! You're back! :godot:

I'm glad we can keep this little thread going.

I have just found out the answer to the question I raised in my pervious deduction.

Spoiler: Inquisitive Question
What was she doing in Zheng Fa besides keeping an eye on Lang?



Spoiler: Information Deposit
Akbey Hicks, Lang and Shih-Na were in Zheng Fa.
Akbey was killed by Cammy Meele after his trip to Zheng Fa.



Spoiler: Logical Leap
Shih-Na was spying on Hicks posing as an interpol agent also.



Spoiler: Conjecture Explosion
Shih-Na was feeding info on Hicks' whereabouts to Cammy. She may have given her the iFly plane ticket info.

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Spoiler: Inquisitive Question
How did she pose as Cece Yews sister? Wouldn't she know she doesn't have a sister?
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Cece was dead and couldn't do much talking in that state.
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