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Besides, it's about time we see Apollo vs. Edgeworth :P
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GS4: Generations
That sounds like a remake of GS4 on a newer console. Hey, maybe it just might have a better written plot too!
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Maybe they should treat him like they treated Mia in T&T in the next game or something then where a series of flashback trials Phoenix did shape the overarching plot. I don't see much point in giving you cases to play as Phoenix when his character arc is gonna be at status quo from now on.
Besides, it's about time we see Apollo vs. Edgeworth :P
Besides, it's about time we see Apollo vs. Edgeworth :P
I was hoping he'd get that status as "mentor" sooner, but GS5 was supposed to highlight on his return. Oh, well.
I disagree on the flashback trials. They were done well in T&T, but they were well linked to the Fey clan plot. If they throw in another flashback trial in the next game, it's going to seem obviously thrown in. Phoenix spent 7 years in absence from the courts, and it was never brought up what happened in that time simply because he wasn't involved in a trial. That isn't to say he's been a hermit all that time, of course; how else did he become the chairman of the Jurist Test Trial Committee? Besides,
Spoiler: in DD,
There's not much to develop his character as a defense attorney; but there is room for him to develop as a mentor, boss, and other kind of authoritative figure. Edgeworth became the district's Chief Prosecutor, after all.
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Takumi on DD wrote:
"I do have mixed feelings about if sometimes," admitted Takumi. "For instance, I was really surprised to see that after we focused on the new character of Apollo in the fourth game, the Dual Destinies team decided to bring Phoenix back. Ultimately, though, having creators other than myself take the helm is a valid choice, as it brings new directions and new story possibilities."
D:( awwww But why? he should be brought back no? At lest as a defense attorney!
I am sorry if my words are a bit unorganized, (forgive me But I am kind of writing in a rush)
But ugh..how should I put it..alright here:
This was a hilarious line but when you think about it, its pretty Ironic. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the author of Sherlock Holmes decided to kill the character off along with his rival so he could focus on his other writing. Guess what? there was a public outcry (even his mom disapproved of this). And then He had to bring him back after 8 years.
Where did we see this..OH YEAH! Phoenix Wright!
To sum it up: I know (okay maybe not) he thinks Phoenix Wright is done so focus on Apollo. Maybe he is tired of Phoenix Wright (or Capcom milking this franchise) and wants to go on a new direction. I understand that, I get that. But I just wish I could tell him just how amazing Phoenix Wright character is that made us a little die inside with GS4.
(guys I don't want to pick a fight or anything but i just wanted express that one paragraph of similarity between Sherlock and Phoenix...not that I support audience forcing an author to change the story but what happened to Phoenix is brutal :()
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I dunno. I'm rambling. I probably don't even know what I'm talking about!
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Takumi on DD wrote:
"I do have mixed feelings about if sometimes," admitted Takumi. "For instance, I was really surprised to see that after we focused on the new character of Apollo in the fourth game, the Dual Destinies team decided to bring Phoenix back. Ultimately, though, having creators other than myself take the helm is a valid choice, as it brings new directions and new story possibilities."
Takumi added that he hopes Capcom will be able to make a game that the fans will cherish. "The team on the new game have looked at what the essence of Ace Attorney is, and as long as they can give the fans another great game to enjoy, I'll be happy. After all, the fact that the series is still going over a decade after I made the first game is something I couldn't possibly have imagined in the first place."
Takumi added that he hopes Capcom will be able to make a game that the fans will cherish. "The team on the new game have looked at what the essence of Ace Attorney is, and as long as they can give the fans another great game to enjoy, I'll be happy. After all, the fact that the series is still going over a decade after I made the first game is something I couldn't possibly have imagined in the first place."
I have to say I'm not surprised. A writer's always going to have mixed feelings about passing on his or her work to another writer; while some things might go as the original creator expected, other things might go in a direction the original creator might see as intrinsically wrong. And sometimes, a writer might feel a story has reached its natural end, and will not want it continued.
I think Takumi's happy his series is still loved so much after all these years, though. I don't think he minds too much that other people took over the writing; for him, the story's probably done and there's nothing else he particularly needs or wants to do. It's kind of like Dragon Ball, in my opinion. He made the world, he made the characters, he set the stage; he's done. Now it's time for other people to expand on it, if they want more so badly. And if he doesn't like it, or if he wants something specific to happen, he can always just speak up and/or step in... I think.
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BobbyBritish wrote:
Has anybody scanned the interview yet? I'm sure lots of us are interested in reading it.
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I do hope we get to hear more about his next project soon, because it sounded like it was nowhere near ready to be shown yet. Whatever it will be, it'll probably be nothing short of amazing :D
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Takumi on DD wrote:
"I do have mixed feelings about it sometimes," admitted Takumi.
Which is the polite way of saying "I think it's a bunch of crap".
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But trust me, Pearls does have potential to grow as a character or have an entire case about her. She lost her mother who was a cruel person in the end and she had two step-sisters whom she barely even knew until one of them got convicted for being a serial killer basically, and you can tell in T&T that she's pretty vulnerable with the whole "no men in kurain" stuff. Of course this could also just mean that despite all the negative things she's experienced she's strong-willed and wholehearted enough to overcome it, but I think she has potential to have a case where she's suspected for murder and where she even admits to it to begin with :P
C'mon, the last thing we need is some medium girl in trouble unfairly charged with murder again. That kind of thing would ruin all the freshness in the series. Kurain, Magatama, the "Fey" last name, it's all finished.
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ravensep wrote:
But ugh..how should I put it..alright here:
This was a hilarious line but when you think about it, its pretty Ironic. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the author of Sherlock Holmes decided to kill the character off along with his rival so he could focus on his other writing. Guess what? there was a public outcry (even his mom disapproved of this). And then He had to bring him back after 8 years.
(...)
(guys I don't want to pick a fight or anything but i just wanted express that one paragraph of similarity between Sherlock and Phoenix...not that I support audience forcing an author to change the story but what happened to Phoenix is brutal :()
This was a hilarious line but when you think about it, its pretty Ironic. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the author of Sherlock Holmes decided to kill the character off along with his rival so he could focus on his other writing. Guess what? there was a public outcry (even his mom disapproved of this). And then He had to bring him back after 8 years.
(...)
(guys I don't want to pick a fight or anything but i just wanted express that one paragraph of similarity between Sherlock and Phoenix...not that I support audience forcing an author to change the story but what happened to Phoenix is brutal :()
Public outcry might have played a role in the resurrection of Holmes, but it was the Power of Money that did most of the miracle, actually. Well, you could argue the same for Nick's return, considering GS4's reception in Japan...
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"I do have mixed feelings about if sometimes," admitted Takumi. "For instance, I was really surprised to see that after we focused on the new character of Apollo in the fourth game, the Dual Destinies team decided to bring Phoenix back. Ultimately, though, having creators other than myself take the helm is a valid choice, as it brings new directions and new story possibilities."
Honestly, I don't take this quote as a swipe to the AA: DD team as others have mentioned, but more of a disagreement in the direction of the series. This is understandable since Takumi is the creator of the AA series and was involved in the series storyline up until this game.
It is clear that Phoenix's story is over in part 4 since his character prior to this, he didn't really have any character development. Sure, there was the flashback case in AA3, which gave us a peak to his younger personality. However, the game really didn't seem to focus on Phoenix's current character development like it did in AA4. I think that unlike Apollo, Phoenix was written as a sort of blank state character who personality was determined by the players. By bringing Phoenix Wright back, it is like he is stealing Apollo's thunder and making Apollo a side character. It also reverts Phoenix Wright to a character who is dependent on other characters' backstory than his own. I haven't played DD yet, but from the first AA games, his story was dependent on others especially the Fay family storyline. In part 4, he had a backstory, which while was a bit dependent on Trucys' and Apollos', was also a bit of his - he was framed and disbarred.
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Doom Saber wrote:
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"I do have mixed feelings about if sometimes," admitted Takumi. "For instance, I was really surprised to see that after we focused on the new character of Apollo in the fourth game, the Dual Destinies team decided to bring Phoenix back. Ultimately, though, having creators other than myself take the helm is a valid choice, as it brings new directions and new story possibilities."
Honestly, I don't take this quote as a swipe to the AA: DD team as others have mentioned, but more of a disagreement in the direction of the series. This is understandable since Takumi is the creator of the AA series and was involved in the series storyline up until this game.
It is clear that Phoenix's story is over in part 4 since his character prior to this, he didn't really have any character development. Sure, there was the flashback case in AA3, which gave us a peak to his younger personality. However, the game really didn't seem to focus on Phoenix's current character development like it did in AA4. I think that unlike Apollo, Phoenix was written as a sort of blank state character who personality was determined by the players. By bringing Phoenix Wright back, it is like he is stealing Apollo's thunder and making Apollo a side character. It also reverts Phoenix Wright to a character who is dependent on other characters' backstory than his own. I haven't played DD yet, but from the first AA games, his story was dependent on others especially the Fay family storyline. In part 4, he had a backstory, which while was a bit dependent on Trucys' and Apollos', was also a bit of his - he was framed and disbarred.
I disagree with this a lot. On the contrary, the blank slate is Apollo. Let's look back at AJ (let's not take into account DD just yet), why exactly did Apollo became a lawyer? What is his motivation? Does he have friends? The answers to this questions are very vague in his game, in fact the most important character revelation is done after the game and it doesn't even involve him directly. On the other hand you have Phoenix. Phoenix from game one already have character motivation, we knew why he became a lawyer, and his involvement in the major turnabouts was crucial. On the other hand in AJ, the most interesting turnabout doesn't deal with Apollo's motivations, on the contrary it's all about Phoenix.
I honestly think Apollo would had been developed better if they hadn't put him as the main character from the get go. He had some big shoes to fill in, and what they did to Phoenix only hurt his development even more, given that people were more intrigued to find out what happened to Phoenix. On the other hand look at Athena, she is not starring in her own game, and yet she seems crucial to Dual Destinies because of the way she is being developed.
Now people are going to call me crazy for saying this, but in my opinion, Phoenix is to Ace Attorney what Bruce Wayne is to Batman. Yes, anyone can be an Ace Attorney or Batman, but no one fills the spot like Phoenix/Bruce. There was a point where Dick Grayson took the mantle of the Dark Knight and it just wasn't the same, it doesn't mean that Bruce is a better Batman is just that he does the role in a special way. Same goes for Phoenix, you can have Apollo try to do what Phoenix does and it will never be the same, on the other hand you can have him do something else and you are in for an interesting experience.
While this may not be true among the most hardcore AA fans, a lot of people of the core audience are super excited to play as Phoenix again. And yes, his character was fully developed, but that's it? You want a character to be developed and then move to the next one? I disagree, if anything I am glad that he is fully developed and still around, because I want to see him put that development to use.
All in all, I'm can't wait to get Dual Destinies on October 24th, it's going to be a blast.
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Ash wrote:
Public outcry might have played a role in the resurrection of Holmes, but it was the Power of Money that did most of the miracle, actually. Well, you could argue the same for Nick's return, considering GS4's reception in Japan...
It's always about the money. Poor Nick was running broke (pun so much intended) before Capcom spared some of its revenue to restart his career. Thus GS5 came into existence.
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It is clear that Phoenix's story is over in part 4 since his character prior to this, he didn't really have any character development.
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I think that unlike Apollo, Phoenix was written as a sort of blank state character who personality was determined by the players. By bringing Phoenix Wright back, it is like he is stealing Apollo's thunder and making Apollo a side character.
I sometimes wish that Mr. Wright hadn't taken control over my career like that... But hey, the memories are precious, aren't they? Sure... as soon as you pay me. Only after you take on a case.
(Oh, okay, and just as a client finally comes along, you send me to toilet duty.) ...Oh, and after Trucy gets her share.
But of course! Co-manager of the Wright Anything Agency is tough work!
Mr. Wright!!...On the other hand, he adds another color to the main cast. He may share a lot of qualities with Nick, but the two are entirely different characters and personalities. Besides, how Nick changed in GS4 can be attributed to mild symptoms of depression. It does work like that.
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I disagree with this a lot. On the contrary, the blank slate is Apollo. Let's look back at AJ (let's not take into account DD just yet), why exactly did Apollo became a lawyer? What is his motivation? Does he have friends? The answers to this questions are very vague in his game, in fact the most important character revelation is done after the game and it doesn't even involve him directly. On the other hand you have Phoenix. Phoenix from game one already have character motivation, we knew why he became a lawyer, and his involvement in the major turnabouts was crucial. On the other hand in AJ, the most interesting turnabout doesn't deal with Apollo's motivations, on the contrary it's all about Phoenix.
I honestly think Apollo would had been developed better if they hadn't put him as the main character from the get go. He had some big shoes to fill in, and what they did to Phoenix only hurt his development even more, given that people were more intrigued to find out what happened to Phoenix. On the other hand look at Athena, she is not starring in her own game, and yet she seems crucial to Dual Destinies because of the way she is being developed.
Now people are going to call me crazy for saying this, but in my opinion, Phoenix is to Ace Attorney what Bruce Wayne is to Batman. Yes, anyone can be an Ace Attorney or Batman, but no one fills the spot like Phoenix/Bruce. There was a point where Dick Grayson took the mantle of the Dark Knight and it just wasn't the same, it doesn't mean that Bruce is a better Batman is just that he does the role in a special way. Same goes for Phoenix, you can have Apollo try to do what Phoenix does and it will never be the same, on the other hand you can have him do something else and you are in for an interesting experience.
While this may not be true among the most hardcore AA fans, a lot of people of the core audience are super excited to play as Phoenix again. And yes, his character was fully developed, but that's it? You want a character to be developed and then move to the next one? I disagree, if anything I am glad that he is fully developed and still around, because I want to see him put that development to use.
All in all, I'm can't wait to get Dual Destinies on October 24th, it's going to be a blast.
I honestly think Apollo would had been developed better if they hadn't put him as the main character from the get go. He had some big shoes to fill in, and what they did to Phoenix only hurt his development even more, given that people were more intrigued to find out what happened to Phoenix. On the other hand look at Athena, she is not starring in her own game, and yet she seems crucial to Dual Destinies because of the way she is being developed.
Now people are going to call me crazy for saying this, but in my opinion, Phoenix is to Ace Attorney what Bruce Wayne is to Batman. Yes, anyone can be an Ace Attorney or Batman, but no one fills the spot like Phoenix/Bruce. There was a point where Dick Grayson took the mantle of the Dark Knight and it just wasn't the same, it doesn't mean that Bruce is a better Batman is just that he does the role in a special way. Same goes for Phoenix, you can have Apollo try to do what Phoenix does and it will never be the same, on the other hand you can have him do something else and you are in for an interesting experience.
While this may not be true among the most hardcore AA fans, a lot of people of the core audience are super excited to play as Phoenix again. And yes, his character was fully developed, but that's it? You want a character to be developed and then move to the next one? I disagree, if anything I am glad that he is fully developed and still around, because I want to see him put that development to use.
All in all, I'm can't wait to get Dual Destinies on October 24th, it's going to be a blast.
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Besides, it's about time we see Apollo vs. Edgeworth :P
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Now people are going to call me crazy for saying this, but in my opinion, Phoenix is to Ace Attorney what Bruce Wayne is to Batman. Yes, anyone can be an Ace Attorney or Batman, but no one fills the spot like Phoenix/Bruce. There was a point where Dick Grayson took the mantle of the Dark Knight and it just wasn't the same, it doesn't mean that Bruce is a better Batman is just that he does the role in a special way. Same goes for Phoenix, you can have Apollo try to do what Phoenix does and it will never be the same, on the other hand you can have him do something else and you are in for an interesting experience.
Now that I think about it, you're right about this. Two reasons why.
#1 Capcom might have been the reason why Phoenix was in Apollo's game. They knew it would sell if he was in it.
#2 The low sales of the AAI. Capcom likely drew the conclusion that because the main character was Edgeworth, the game didn't get as much money as it would with Phoenix at the helm. Whether it's true or not, Phoenix will likely stay in the series for the foreseeable future.
EDIT: I see a small hole in my logic. AAI didn't sell that poorly in Japan and it did get a sequel. Capcom doesn't really take NA sales into consideration when making the basics of the game too.
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Now people are going to call me crazy for saying this, but in my opinion, Phoenix is to Ace Attorney what Bruce Wayne is to Batman. Yes, anyone can be an Ace Attorney or Batman, but no one fills the spot like Phoenix/Bruce. There was a point where Dick Grayson took the mantle of the Dark Knight and it just wasn't the same, it doesn't mean that Bruce is a better Batman is just that he does the role in a special way. Same goes for Phoenix, you can have Apollo try to do what Phoenix does and it will never be the same, on the other hand you can have him do something else and you are in for an interesting experience.
Now that I think about it, you're right about this. Two reasons why.
#1 Capcom might have been the reason why Phoenix was in Apollo's game. They knew it would sell if he was in it.
#2 The low sales of the AAI. Capcom likely drew the conclusion that because the main character was Edgeworth, the game didn't get as much money as it would with Phoenix at the helm. Whether it's true or not, Phoenix will likely stay in the series for the foreseeable future.
EDIT: I see a small hole in my logic. AAI didn't sell that poorly in Japan and it did get a sequel. Capcom doesn't really take NA sales into consideration when making the basics of the game too.
True, but then again, Miles is to an extent on par with Phoenix. If I am correct the original idea was to have Ema be the main character, but that got scrapped because of the fandom and fear that it wouldn't be successful. I would have love to see that though.
What would be interesting to see however, is how a new entry with completely new characters would fare. Think of AJ but without the whole Phoenix story arc. I wonder if it would be beneficial for the protagonist or not.
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Now that I think about it, you're right about this. Two reasons why.
#1 Capcom might have been the reason why Phoenix was in Apollo's game. They knew it would sell if he was in it.
#1 Capcom might have been the reason why Phoenix was in Apollo's game. They knew it would sell if he was in it.
This is just going off of memory here, but I seem to recall some interview that came out around GS4 (or a bit after) saying that that was pretty much exactly what happened - Takumi originally planned for GS4 to be totally standalone, but higher-ups told him Phoenix had to have a substantial role. But this is from a couple years ago, and it sounds awfully... frank for an interview with a game developer, so take it with a grain of salt.
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It would be nice to know what really happened though, but explaining it in AA4 probably would have felt out of place. But with Pearls coming back in AA5, I'd hope there'd at least be some mention of Maya.
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It wasn't but the overall lack of presence itself was definitely not a good thing.
I think it totally made sense for Maya not to be mentioned. AJ:AA is no doubt about Phoenix, but the narrator/main character is Apollo, so part of that is seeing another side to Phoenix. We usually see him from his perspective where we hear his internal monologue, know he's bluffing, know his friends bail him out of situations all the time, etc. Apollo sees Phoenix - at least in the beginning - how the general public sees him, as this godly, genius attorney who can handle any situation. Then through the fake evidence and Apollo's interaction with Phoenix that image changes and Apollo has a bit of "meeting a celebrity who's not that great after all" before coming to know the real Phoenix. I think if Maya, Pearl, or anyone else had been in AJ then everything that made AJ-era Phoenix so great would have been lessened by conversations about how different he'd become.
But then again, AJ was my first AA game, so I think the story was better when you really DIDN'T know who Phoenix was, and discovered him through the fake evidence scandal.
Now, with DD, on the other hand, Phoenix is back to being the main character, so it makes sense that people start showing up again. It's kind of like in real life. You may have recently made a friend. This friend has a family, other friends, etc. and they've had wonderful experiences together, but you've never met them, so you're not going know anything about them and you probably won't meet them anytime soon because they will be irrelevant to whatever your friend and you are doing. As you begin to know them better, though, eventually those people start showing up.
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Lusankya wrote:
Where in AJ was it ever implied that Phoenix had stopped caring about Maya?
If you talk about the movies she sends to him he just brushes it off like "It's this "friend" of mine. She keeps sending me this stuff". I know it's really just a situation where the game should't confuse newcomers so he doesn't outright say her name, but he talks about her as if she's a nuisance to him... or he brushes it off because it's not something Apollo should know or care about.
I just thought it was a dumb move to bring in Phoenix and not give at least a little closure on how Maya and Nick's relationship is. They were like bread and butter in the other games, and if you read the full interview here with Takumi he outright says "I'll always carry Phoenix and Maya around with me in my heart" (paraphrased) and in AJ it's just like she was forgotten.
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Where in AJ was it ever implied that Phoenix had stopped caring about Maya?
If you talk about the movies she sends to him he just brushes it off like "It's this "friend" of mine. She keeps sending me this stuff". I know it's really just a situation where the game should't confuse newcomers so he doesn't outright say her name, but he talks about her as if she's a nuisance to him... or he brushes it off because it's not something Apollo should know or care about.
I just thought it was a dumb move to bring in Phoenix and not give at least a little closure on how Maya and Nick's relationship is. They were like bread and butter in the other games, and if you read the full interview here with Takumi he outright says "I'll always carry Phoenix and Maya around with me in my heart" (paraphrased) and in AJ it's just like she was forgotten.
You are over reacting to that. Phoenix did not stop caring for Maya. If he did, he would have stopped watching "steel samurai". He only called her "some kid" because Apollo does not need to know who she is, it's his personal life he's talking about. Think of it as when referring to most of your friends as "a friend". So, no, it's not a dumb move, it's just Phoenix being secretive to Apollo again.
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Anyway, Takumi doesn't seem ready to take off from AA, and that's what really matters to me. I await his future contributions. I've heard (a note taken from this interview) that he's even planning an AAxGT crossover game some time. Thinking about it, it's going to be pretty fun killing people off just to revive them. Plus, being able to roam crime scenes into their past is pretty amazing... if not just a bit cheap. How fitting for Wright & co.
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I've heard (a note taken from this interview) that he's even planning an AAxGT crossover game some time. Thinking about it, it's going to be pretty fun killing people off just to revive them. Plus, being able to roam crime scenes into their past is pretty amazing... if not just a bit cheap. How fitting for Wright & co.
I would have to say that it's very unlikely he will do it... the interviewer brought up the question and Takumi responded that it would be a good idea, but it doesn't sound like that was his next project. I would guess it's something completely new.
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Ironically, the following game took the spotlight off of him, despite him being the main character. I mean, he led the movement in the 5th case, but for the other cases, he's either not on the case or he's taking over for someone. (The DLC case is another matter altogether.) Then again, DD sort of lacks focus on any one particular protagonist, so it's hard to say whether or not there's a single main character in the first place.
Anyway, Takumi doesn't seem ready to take off from AA, and that's what really matters to me. I await his future contributions. I've heard (a note taken from this interview) that he's even planning an AAxGT crossover game some time. Thinking about it, it's going to be pretty fun killing people off just to revive them. Plus, being able to roam crime scenes into their past is pretty amazing... if not just a bit cheap. How fitting for Wright & co.
Anyway, Takumi doesn't seem ready to take off from AA, and that's what really matters to me. I await his future contributions. I've heard (a note taken from this interview) that he's even planning an AAxGT crossover game some time. Thinking about it, it's going to be pretty fun killing people off just to revive them. Plus, being able to roam crime scenes into their past is pretty amazing... if not just a bit cheap. How fitting for Wright & co.
That's not exactly taking the spotlight off of him. Again, for some odd reason, I keep bringing up Batman.
Take for example The Dark Knight Rises. There is a big chunk of the movie where Bruce/Batman doesn't appear but he is still the main character. Being a main character doesn't mean the character has to be present at all times, sometimes in order for the story to develop fully the character must be absent, sometimes the character's absence develops the story in a way that emphasizes the need for said character to show up.
That said, I think of Dual Destinies more like Grand Theft Auto 5. There are three main characters, you play as the trio, all of them are important, but there is one that stands out a bit more. In GTA's the main main (redundancy for lack of a better word) is Michael, in DD is Phoenix.
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I was talking about the game in perspective to its predecessor. Of course, as in any piece of fiction, there is a main cast, and one character in particular stands out among the rest. But that's not what I'm talking about here.
DD is a game whose initial publicity gave most of the attention to Phoenix, and with good reason. However, unlike my expectations gained from such publicity, he doesn't have as large of a role as I expected him to. It's a similar situation with Apollo in his own game, but with one particular contrast: the one who has always been under the public eye is beginning to recess into the background, allowing others to come forth.
I personally like this design; Phoenix's original story came to an end with the trilogy, so whatever to add on to his development would have to take things from a different perspective. For example, it's brought up a couple times in the game when Phoenix is questioned about how he's "recessed to 8 years ago". He replies that while some things haven't changed, the entire situation has. (Note that I'm paraphrasing here.)
Meanwhile, Apollo still has a pretty clean slate, so whatever this game added to his character profile is welcome. Whatever is added to Athena's profile in GS6 will be as well, and whatever is added to Phoenix's profile then... may as well be.
There's no doubt that fans will largely see Phoenix as the icon of the franchise (and there's no convincing Capcom otherwise), but there should always be room for someone new. (But before Apollo can take any of that central spotlight, he first has to beat Edgeworth. Not an easy battle in the least.)
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Even Eshiro did this as he chose 9 characters that had to be in GS5 as a foundation, amd if you ask me that can never bring anything engaging or passion-filled. We all saw how they managed this in Dual Destinies.
What did we see? And what 9 characters are you meaning?
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I believe he's referring to the nine on the promo poster that later became the soundtrack poster, but I didn't think they all were that bad. I was disappointed with Trucy, Pearl, and Klavier's roles, especially after all the publicity given to them, but the others were just fine.
Besides, the only ones on that poster that seem to be "mandatory" returning appearances are Nick, Pollo, Edgey, & Trucy. Apollo and Trucy were the mains from GS4, so they're not going anywhere. We weren't expecting Pearl or Klavier until they were revealed, but in any game with Nick as protagonist, it's a game with Edgey. The last three are a given.
It's definitely the most crowded promo poster of a game in this series thus far, but the details add to a different impact.
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