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- The story was good, but didn't quite live up to the hype. Most of the ending twists were fairly telegraphed, which was a little disappointing.
- On top of that, I'm not convinced IS' story works so well as a standalone. Which... I mean, it's not. It's the first half of a duology. But even with that in mind, the ending felt kind of unsatisfying. But from the little of EP I've played, it "primes" that game's plot excellently.
- The characters were really enjoyable. Eikichi and Lisa still felt a little too comic-relief at times, but I really enjoyed all the playable characters, and the final villain was impressively jerkish.
- The encounter rate is too damn high. It got a little better with Estoma, but even then it wasn't until I took time off from the final dungeon to go do the Abandoned Factory that I got to a level where it was actually useful, since I would usually be at or a little below the monster level in dungeons.
- The battle system itself was simple but effective. No real complaints here.
- Presentation-wise, everyone having the same few sprite poses is a little tiring, but other than that I thought all the spritework held up pretty well, and the remastered music was great.
- Also audio-wise: no real objections with the voice acting.
I'm giving EP PSP a go, with a little help from occasional cross-referencing English LPs. It's definitely a sight harder than IS so far, but the super-fast skip option in battles makes it a lot more palatable.
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Yeah, I'm not that big of a fan of Persona 3, but I like Koro. He doesn't offend me, I like his character (he is a dog), and he doesn't have stupid character moments. Thinking more about it, no joke, I'm starting to consider putting him up there as one of my favorite Persona 3 characters
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I played P4 first, so when I played P3, I was admittedly disappointed at how boring, two-dimensional and superficial the characters are. Dude, there's a SLink in the game (I think The Magus) that is about a guy who falls in love with his teacher and then realizes his love is one-sided. Period. The end. So I agree that while P4 is far from perfect, Atlus is on the right track to make deeper, captivating characters.
Looking foward to P5, despite wanting to see a Persona game taking place in a more mature environment because I'm a bit sick of this high school thing...
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I played P4 first, so when I played P3, I was admittedly disappointed at how boring, two-dimensional and superficial the characters are.
I was the same. I played P4, read about P3 and got P3P since the battle mechanics are taken over from P4, so I got that instead... and got a huge disappointment as a game instead. I dunno, MAYBE if I had played P3 first, I wouldn't feel such a huge disappointment or dislike the game so much, but this is just... GNIROB.
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Dude, there's a SLink in the game (I think The Magus) that is about a guy who falls in love with his teacher and then realizes his love is one-sided. Period. The end.
That was okay for me. I mean, okay, I had a crush on a teacher once, but never to that extent or getting delusional about marrying him. Aside from him already being married. My problem with the social links in P3? In order to advance, not break the link or anything, I have to tell them what they want tohear instead of something actually productive. Why the hell give me stupid dialogue options if the one they want to hear is the only one that'll have a good effect?
The P4 ones were better. Yeah there was the chance to reverse one, but at least some of the "best" answers were actually ones that were the type that was like verbally smacking them and it helped them change. Not just be a mouth piece and be a total Yes Man to them.
Yeah the high school setting is so-so, but I doubt they'll change. You know, big audience and demographic and all.
I mean, having third year students as main characters might be nice. Devil Survivor 2 did that and... well, okay, the story doesn't really show that much, given the events, but still. At least we had SOME hint of what it's like to be close to adulthood. Daichi talks about graduating soon (from High school, okay), going to college and then... then what? You know, the uncertainty and all. It worked nicely. Sure it was ONE SCENE but it was decent.C-A
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Cat, maybe it would had changed a bit your point of view. By playing 3 first, I am ready to forgive a lot of thing of the game because I keep in mind that it came before 4, so it's normal that some elements are weaker or felt more prototypish. But on the other hand, even myself was dissapointed with P3 AND P4. Yes I admit it, while the games were good, I was a bit dissapointed because of the huge hype those games received. The biggest shock came from 4. You have the right to hit me by the way.
The social link little problem is that people WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR and not only in games, in real life too. While it's good to have your ideas challenged from time to time, normally people do not hangout with people that share completly different point of view, especially in your teen years, where most of people try to fit in a group even if they state the opposite. If it would cause the S.Link to reverse temporaily it would be nice though. Also, I always saw the matching persona arcana with the link a way to show that the main character must have the same personality type of the link to grow even faster.
For the high school theme... well if they try to follow into 4 footsteps to create another big hit, I can think that they will still settle with high school, since 4 is more like a mainstream manga (from my point of view). But it would be nice if they did like Eternal Punishment where the characters where in their 20's.
I just resaw Yukari's social link... I think I start to like her. Does that mean that my brain is sick or something?
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Cat, maybe it would had changed a bit your point of view.
I dunno, I'm not sure it would have. Even if it had been the first Persona game I'd have played, I would still have found the cast very boring, the English dub to sound uninterested in reading their lines and the pacing would've bothered me nonetheless. Just because something is my first experience doesn't automatically mean I'd love it.
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The social link little problem is that people WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR and not only in games, in real life too.
I dunno, at times, I want to hear the truth. After all, that's the point of criticism. I mean, I've said it before, if I get rejected for a job position, I want to know why. All I get is the polite, obligatory reason of "your application cannot be taken into the closer range of potential employees", "we have chosen someone else for the position" or similar. I don't want to hear polite stuff, I want to hear the truth. I want to hear why they aren't taking me, so that I can hopefully improve myself.
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While it's good to have your ideas challenged from time to time, normally people do not hangout with people that share completly different point of view, especially in your teen years, where most of people try to fit in a group even if they state the opposite.
Yes and No. I personally like the P4 social links because what I tell them actually helps them at times. Sure I can opt to be a Yes Man, but that would go against my idea of being all Truth and all in P4. Not to mention the social links start from a different basis than the P3 ones. Narukami starts a social link, at least with his party members, after seeing the worst of their worst, so when someone like that knows your worst, still accepts you, you already feel closer to them and then you might not mind it when they may say something that challenges your views.
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I just resaw Yukari's social link... I think I start to like her. Does that mean that my brain is sick or something?
Yes. I know people on other boards keep telling me "Yukari is the most realistic person in P3" but that just drives me up the wall. Just because a character is portrayed REALISTICALLY doesn't make them GOOD or even TOLERABLE or LIKEABLE.
Also, I doubt they'd go for a high school setting in P5 "just because of P4". Like I said, Persona games and other JRPGs tend to have high schoolers as protagonists. It appeals to the audience and demographic, high schoolers who may want something exciting next to studying during their high school years. And I feel like saying, we can't really "count" EP for this because it's a sequel/second half of a game where the heroes previously were high school students. It's basically a continuation.
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For your application job, while it sucks to receive that kind of response, it prove that there is some potential. But I believe that the answer might really not please you (according to the very small tidbits that you write on the forum and my personal interpretation) and that it could be more...well might be not related to your competence but something else.
For the yes man, well I think it depend on the relationship. In my head telling the "that was cruel" to Ai is understandable to reverse her link. After all, you just told her she's a bitch and she's a person that take a lot of pride in herself, and firmly believe she became the perfect image of a strong teenage girl. She was wrong, we all know that. The temperance arcana was a good one where you could challenge her because she genuinly want to be close to her new son, but I always felt a bit hesitant when they force you to talk to the child. But I never really checked out which answer give the most points in social links, only for links like Ai or the mourning brother, I forgot his name (damn I wanted to tell him to shup up).
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You...know that EP doens't have the same cast as IS right, well except for the ancient main characters? I'm sure you know, but just to be sure.
Not quite, I have started IS, but not finished it. Some students that were supposed to have moved by now didn't, so I got stuck. I do know how it ends. As for EP, I sorta read something that made me think it was like a rehash of IS, but with Maya as the main protagonist this time, but takes place a bit later than IS. Also something about the protagonist's father... *cough* not liking him.
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For your application job, while it sucks to receive that kind of response, it prove that there is some potential. But I believe that the answer might really not please you (according to the very small tidbits that you write on the forum and my personal interpretation) and that it could be more...well might be not related to your competence but something else.
If you mean my personality, I have pointed out I act differently towards potential employers and such. And even if, I still want to know why. If they don't like my personality, okay, at least then I know why.
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In my head telling the "that was cruel" to Ai is understandable to reverse her link. After all, you just told her she's a bitch and she's a person that take a lot of pride in herself, and firmly believe she became the perfect image of a strong teenage girl. She was wrong, we all know that.
Well... she is a bitch.
I don't care if she thinks it's hurtful, I fucking dislike that bitch. I don't care about her whimpy sob backstory of having been picked on. I only completed her social link once, going the friend route, and I do not want to redo her link. I might have to for an LP, though...Quote:
the mourning brother, I forgot his name (damn I wanted to tell him to shup up).
I merely started his, but if he's all "can't quite cry about my dead sister" I'd be all "yeah, that can happen. eventually, the shock will set in and you'll cry. just be patient" and done.
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That was okay for me. I mean, okay, I had a crush on a teacher once, but never to that extent or getting delusional about marrying him. Aside from him already being married. My problem with the social links in P3? In order to advance, not break the link or anything, I have to tell them what they want tohear instead of something actually productive. Why the hell give me stupid dialogue options if the one they want to hear is the only one that'll have a good effect?
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Well the magician arcana is supposed to represent youth, with all it's energy, potential... and naiveté. So for me it felt right that the guy (that maybe felt his first love) start to idealize it to the point of being delusional like a lot of people do at this age.
My main problem with some P3 SLinks is that sometimes they felt like superficial random conversations with no purpose (especially the NPC ones),
taking The Magus as I previously said and The Strenght as examples. I'm not condemning falling in love with a teacher or anything, I just find it dumb to make a whole social link with 10 events solely about that. In P4 we helped the characters (even NPCs) to overcome or at least to deal with their most deep-rooted problems, in P3 we just have this... superficial approach to them.
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Yeah the high school setting is so-so, but I doubt they'll change. You know, big audience and demographic and all. I mean, having third year students as main characters might be nice. Devil Survivor 2 did that and... well, okay, the story doesn't really show that much, given the events, but still. At least we had SOME hint of what it's like to be close to adulthood. Daichi talks about graduating soon (from High school, okay), going to college and then... then what? You know, the uncertainty and all. It worked nicely. Sure it was ONE SCENE but it was decent.
I mean, having third year students as main characters might be nice. Devil Survivor 2 did that and... well, okay, the story doesn't really show that much, given the events, but still. At least we had SOME hint of what it's like to be close to adulthood. Daichi talks about graduating soon (from High school, okay), going to college and then... then what? You know, the uncertainty and all. It worked nicely. Sure it was ONE SCENE but it was decent.Regarding the demographics, I can see where you're coming from, but you think if the game had older characters, the younger audience (high schoolers or teens) wouldn't be interested?
I don't think so. Taking the Final Fantasy franchise as example, FFXIII has an adult in her early 20s as protagonist and it didn't make the game any less appealing to the audience who was familiarized with the franchise, regardless of age.
I just think that if the game has psychology as theme (or, more precisely, "characters who are each restrained in some way by modern society", in P5's case), having adults as characters could be so much more interesting. People who actually have to sustain themselves financially, people who are in long-term relationships or who have deep-rooted problems from childhood. But that is just my opinion, as I said, I'm a bit sick of this high school system...
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I just resaw Yukari's social link... I think I start to like her. Does that mean that my brain is sick or something?
I won't call you crazy before I ask you: for which reasons you like Yukari? Because I can't think of a reason why anyone would like her.
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the mourning brother, I forgot his name (damn I wanted to tell him to shup up).
I merely started his, but if he's all "can't quite cry about my dead sister" I'd be all "yeah, that can happen. eventually, the shock will set in and you'll cry. just be patient" and done.
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I just resaw Yukari's social link... I think I start to like her. Does that mean that my brain is sick or something?
Yes. I know people on other boards keep telling me "Yukari is the most realistic person in P3" but that just drives me up the wall. Just because a character is portrayed REALISTICALLY doesn't make them GOOD or even TOLERABLE or LIKEABLE.
But seriously, Shao Mae, what did you like about Yukari? PLEASE, I WANT TO KNOW, I'VE NEVER HATED A CHARACTER THIS MUCH BEFORE.
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I think I'm starting to see a human side to her, which in consequences, make me like her.
Or it could be my PMS kicking in...
EDIT: Maybe instead of distrusful I should use reticent? Like in afraid of being to close to someone when you think that they could bring much joy or pain, but the pain part scare you so you are not sure to take the bet.
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I guess I'm just a really forgiving person in general. I also had a theory that when every story based event take place and Yukari is acting like a bitch, I would assume she's in her periods XD (because my mood swing are also legendary). I know it doesn't excuse anything, but I still find it funny in a sense, she would always be in her period. If any Yukari hater want to her to die, just think that one day there will be no blood for her perioding.
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You know, Yukari, if daddy was so great as you think, wouldn't he be HAPPY knowing his wife could find love and happiness with another man and not be SAD for the rest of her life?
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To be honest I can barely remember her social link; I'm not even sure I can remember anyone's in Persona 3, save the dying man and Aegis.
Edit: watched Yukari's social link on youtube, and I'm reminded of just how bad the writing in that game is. She's narcissistic, rude, boring and I feel nothing towards her except some mild annoyance at how I'm actually supposed to care about her.
And that music makes my head explode, and not in the good way.
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Yukari comes across as a fundamentally egotistical and overall dislikeable person, traits which are made even worse during "The Answer".
Oh god Yukari was the most terrible thing about "the Answer". She was the only reason why they had to fight each other in the first place. She was acting so rude, immature and egoistical (even worse than usual), it was terrible. People can defend Yukari all they want, saying she acted all "realistic" but that doesn't excuse the way she acted which was just outright awful.
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To be honest I can barely remember her social link; I'm not even sure I can remember anyone's in Persona 3, save the dying man and Aegis.
Edit: watched Yukari's social link on youtube, and I'm reminded of just how bad the writing in that game is. She's narcissistic, rude, boring and I feel nothing towards her except some mild annoyance at how I'm actually supposed to care about her.
And that music makes my head explode, and not in the good way.
Edit: watched Yukari's social link on youtube, and I'm reminded of just how bad the writing in that game is. She's narcissistic, rude, boring and I feel nothing towards her except some mild annoyance at how I'm actually supposed to care about her.
And that music makes my head explode, and not in the good way.
Ah well most of the p3 social links were never really... well, good. I never really liked Yukari's social link in the original P3 either but when I played as female protag in Persona 3 Portable, she was a lot more tolerable and her social link seemed to be a lot better as well. She really treats you differently when you play as a girl, a lot nicer actually. Too bad she still acts distrustful and egoistical throughout the whole game's story though.
But yeah, I mean I get why Yukari acts the way she acts but that doesn't mean I have to like her. Try telling this to people who absolutely adore her though, most of them seem to get really offended if you say anything bad about her. In the end, it's just a fictional character and people need to learn to chill out.
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Yukari comes across as a fundamentally egotistical and overall dislikeable person, traits which are made even worse during "The Answer".
Oh god Yukari was the most terrible thing about "the Answer". She was the only reason why they had to fight each other in the first place. She was acting so rude, immature and egoistical (even worse than usual), it was terrible. People can defend Yukari all they want, saying she acted all "realistic" but that doesn't excuse the way she acted which was just outright awful.
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To be honest I can barely remember her social link; I'm not even sure I can remember anyone's in Persona 3, save the dying man and Aegis.
Edit: watched Yukari's social link on youtube, and I'm reminded of just how bad the writing in that game is. She's narcissistic, rude, boring and I feel nothing towards her except some mild annoyance at how I'm actually supposed to care about her.
And that music makes my head explode, and not in the good way.
Edit: watched Yukari's social link on youtube, and I'm reminded of just how bad the writing in that game is. She's narcissistic, rude, boring and I feel nothing towards her except some mild annoyance at how I'm actually supposed to care about her.
And that music makes my head explode, and not in the good way.
Ah well most of the p3 social links were never really... well, good. I never really liked Yukari's social link in the original P3 either but when I played as female protag in Persona 3 Portable, she was a lot more tolerable and her social link seemed to be a lot better as well. She really treats you differently when you play as a girl, a lot nicer actually. Too bad she still acts distrustful and egoistical throughout the whole game's story though.
But yeah, I mean I get why Yukari acts the way she acts but that doesn't mean I have to like her. Try telling this to people who absolutely adore her though, most of them seem to get really offended if you say anything bad about her. In the end, it's just a fictional character and people need to learn to chill out.
People will always react strongly if a fictional character they relate to is being criticized, even if their problems are only partially similar to said fictional character. That's what happened with Athena in Ace Attorney, for instance; so many people got genuinely offended when I and several others explained why we didn't like her or her place in the story because they too had had somewhat similar problems to overcome, although I hope it didn't include dissected family members.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that a lot of people will identify with a disfunctional family and therefore connect to Yukari more, and when Yukari is being talked about in a negative manner, then they feel it is reflected upon them as well.
Does that mean they SHOULD feel offended? Absolutely not. First of all, it's a fictional character. Secondly, Yukari and her whole supposed problematic situation is, in most aspects, written very poorly. I have difficulties trying to understand just where the "relatable" part of Yukari even comes in, aside from a mundane and common issue.
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I might understand if her relateable fans are due to losing their fathers when young themselves, but... just cause you lost a parent at a young age doesn't mean you are allowed to act like a bitch when older...
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Maybe the relationship with the mother? (I mean people who have a mother who have an astonishing amount of ex in their lives). Maybe the feeling of powerlessness and the need of independance that cannot come concrete in real situation (as oppose to the the classic if that happen...). The inability to trust guys and can only put trust in girls?
Just throwing things here and there. When I think Yukari I think the feeling of powerlessness.
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I might understand if her relateable fans are due to losing their fathers when young themselves, but... just cause you lost a parent at a young age doesn't mean you are allowed to act like a bitch when older...
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Yeah that's the thing, I don't actually recall ever saying I had a problem with her backstory and her parents. I don't especially remember her saying anything about her attitude was to do with that. Apart from the small bit where you go to the beach and she freaks out when she learns more about it I don't recall her behaviour ever really being influenced by the lost parent thing except when it gave her a reason to bond with Mitsuru.
I have a problem with her being jealous and b****y towards others like some typical gossip gal who refuses to talk to anyone beneath her (I need to be most popular kid in school to even talk to you? No thanks.)
Then the horror that is The Answer occurs after she's gotten over her parent's death (as indicated by her Persona evolving and not being held back) so it's hardly an excuse for her behaviour there when she acts worse than ever.
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A dead father and a mother who, for all we know, suffered just as much from his death (hell probably even more considering Yukari's current indifference towards her) just isn't "enough", given the circumstances.
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So now Marie is playable in Arena. I wonder if there is still a few character that are to be revealed. I wish they had P3 MC but it's just impossible. Hey a girl can dream.
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So now Marie is playable in Arena. I wonder if there is still a few character that are to be revealed. I wish they had P3 MC but it's just impossible. Hey a girl can dream.
So now Marie is playable in Arena. I wonder if there is still a few character that are to be revealed. I wish they had P3 MC but it's just impossible. Hey a girl can dream.
Aww c'mon Atlus...surely Dojima and Nanako would be a better insert than that half-canon character.
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Huh, looks like we may get some juicy news this september! Hopefully we'll get to know more about the plot and characters other than the "breaking loose from your shackles"-thing they've got going on. Hey, maybe you play as a girl this time around, or maybe this doesn't take place in a high school.
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Does seem that way. Bothers me more as it means they've confirmed Golden as *the* canon version.
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Regarding Marie in Arena Ultimax...doesn't she strike you as sort of a...fan fiction character? I mean, she's really nothing special, yet Atlus seems to think she is.
Actually she feels overly special which is EXACTLY why she feels like a fanfiction character. And just look at her design, screams mary sue special design to me.
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Regarding Marie in Arena Ultimax...doesn't she strike you as sort of a...fan fiction character? I mean, she's really nothing special, yet Atlus seems to think she is.
Actually she feels overly special which is EXACTLY why she feels like a fanfiction character. And just look at her design, screams mary sue special design to me.
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Sure, in the game she's a special little snowflake who also happens to be a God stuck in a teenage girl's body (seems to be a common thing in Japan, I mean just look at the Persona world's supply of androids!), but I was talking about fiction in general. Technically, one could argue for days about what's original and not, but I just meant that Marie, even though I don't hate her in any way, is not a special character. She's got amnesia, she's a tsundere and she writers little poems, and that's really all there is to her, and that hardly makes her unique.
However, she DOES have the decency of being just a little side note for the most part in Golden. She's still no Athena or Micaiah.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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Ah Catherine... I wish they used this game to test both the technical aspect of the PS3 AND the mature ambiance. While the game has many faults (and is outright outrageous for certain person because of Vincent's choices) I really liked the theme and the ambiance of this game. Simple yet good.
yeah, me too! I also thought that Catherine's concept itself was very unique albeit hella weird. It certainly was something new and combined two very different themes into one thing (puzzles and dating). I really liked that.
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Huh, looks like we may get some juicy news this september! Hopefully we'll get to know more about the plot and characters other than the "breaking loose from your shackles"-thing they've got going on. Hey, maybe you play as a girl this time around, or maybe this doesn't take place in a high school.
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I remember reading somewhere that it'll probably take place in a high school again *sigh*. I mean nothing wrong with that but I kinda wish they'd do something else like in Persona 2: Eternal Punishment where most of the team members were adults instead of very angsty teens (and the protagonist was even female!). But nobody cares (or almost no one cares) for any of the persona games before 3 and 4 even though their stories were really good (gameplay wasn't that terrible either).
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Here's a translated video of Marie's introduction to Arena Ultimax. Apparently, it's now canon that Yu always hits on everyone, and I'm so okay with that.
He always seemed like a huge casanova to me so no surprise there :p
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Surely this is fake, right? But it looks so shiny!
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Of course. Typical Dojima family.
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Surely this is fake, right? But it looks so shiny!
There is high probability that it is fake, but it's very well made. The style look exactly like the one you can find in arena. My little brain kind of wish it was real, but the main is kind of meh... for me, (it look like a mix between Naoto and Aigis, with a bit of P3 MC in it).
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Thane wrote:
Watched some of the Golden animation, and it's pretty darn awful. It's basically just the less serious content added in Golden made worse and/by including Marie. Seriously, she's everywhere, and everyone's fawning over her all the time. Did they really think Marie was such a great character that they had to make an entire animated series dedicated to her?
I thought the first episode was okay, though. It really had fun with the idea that Yu was experiencing the same events on a New Game Plus.
But yes, the rest is pretty darn awful.
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