"I just want to know one thing" - Dual Destinies Edition

[shippersdreamer]

Spoiler:

The "fake" one was trying to rehabilitate Simon? I'm... confused.

But it's probable that he knew. Phantom killed him and took his place only one year prior to this game. We don't know any more than that, but it's implied throughout the game that he and Simon had a good combo going for a long time.

Spoiler:

Bad phrasing on my part. Sorry about that. I was wondering if Simon ever met the real Fulbright. If he only met the fake one, then the fake one was pretending to be interested in rehabilitating him. The second half of your answer answered my question

It's sad, though. Somewhere out there is a man who truly cared about Simon and wanted to rehabilitate him but the Phantom killed him. The Fulbright we know was probably exactly the same as the real one, personality wise

To answer your question.

Spoiler:

I don't think Simon ever did meet the real Bobby Fulbright, since his autopsy report (or what Edgeworth said at least) says that he died a year before, which means that his death took place around Apollo's game or shortly afterwords, and from what I remember Simon wasn't prosecuting in the courts until recently. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Rubia Ryu the Royal]

Spoiler:

The "fake" one was trying to rehabilitate Simon? I'm... confused.

But it's probable that he knew. Phantom killed him and took his place only one year prior to this game. We don't know any more than that, but it's implied throughout the game that he and Simon had a good combo going for a long time.

Spoiler:

Bad phrasing on my part. Sorry about that. I was wondering if Simon ever met the real Fulbright. If he only met the fake one, then the fake one was pretending to be interested in rehabilitating him. The second half of your answer answered my question

It's sad, though. Somewhere out there is a man who truly cared about Simon and wanted to rehabilitate him but the Phantom killed him. The Fulbright we know was probably exactly the same as the real one, personality wise

To answer your question.

Spoiler:

I don't think Simon ever did meet the real Bobby Fulbright, since his autopsy report (or what Edgeworth said at least) says that he died a year before, which means that his death took place around Apollo's game or shortly afterwords, and from what I remember Simon wasn't prosecuting in the courts until recently. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Spoiler: I'd like to add

He still could have known. We don't know when the two first met, since his "rehab" period could have started long before he returned to court.

[Nearavex]

Spoiler:

I think that matter is actually pretty open to interpretation. My own headcanon is that Phantom killed Fulbright the day the latter was assigned to Simon in order to rehabilitate him, shortly after the two met in Blackquill's cell. Earlier, he could keep a close eye at him as, I dunno, maybe a prison guard?

[JesusMonroe]

Apparently Blackquill's dialect is radically different in the JP version. How so?

[TheBlackquillz]

Apparently Blackquill's dialect is radically different in the JP version. How so?

Mostly because he was altogether more scary in the JP version than in the English version. To give an example, in the English version, he says "Silence!" But, in the JP version, he says "Dama ri nā!" which means "Shut up!"
Which do you prefer? I think I'd rather tell people to shut up.

[linkenski]

I think both shut it or Silence carry a very grumpy tone, but Silence is more sinister and fits Blackquill's rather sophisticated nature better in the localization. I'd like to know if he's less formal in the JP version though since his Victorian age schtick has probably been quite the overhaul to his characterization I can imagine.

Also, to anyone who's played both versions: did you find the writing to be overall better or worse in either version cuz, I've learned that we got more pop-cult. references in our English version, but then we also had more typos, and I know for a fact that the voice acting was cringe inducing too

Did you think anything in particular was lost in the translation in the English version or did it just enhance the original script?

[Rubia Ryu the Royal]

Also, to anyone who's played both versions: did you find the writing to be overall better or worse in either version cuz, I've learned that we got more pop-cult. references in our English version, but then we also had more typos, and I know for a fact that the voice acting was cringe inducing too

Did you think anything in particular was lost in the translation in the English version or did it just enhance the original script?

I wouldn't say either one is better or worse, but I obviously have a bias toward references that I'm more familiar with. There are plenty of references in the Japanese games, but some are pretty obscure, while others are of detective stories I simply haven't read. An impressive amount of Japanese folklore made it into the localization too, and I think more so than in past titles. It kind of helps that the primary prosecutor is a weeaboo, but it was almost impossible to avoid with 5-2 anyway. Kurain Village and Hazakura Temple were simply handwaved aside as being outside of the city. Imo, the more Japanese culture that is preserved in-game the better, but I enjoy seeing how the localization tries to work around it and what they come up with instead.

Americanization awkwardness aside, the locale team stayed pretty true to the original... if you don't count how iffy some of the dubbed cutscenes were. The lines and acting felt natural in the Japanese version, and while they were especially hammy, it worked with the visual emphases. That, and the voices actually sounded like the actors were communicating, rather than speaking into a mic. (This may be due to how recording studios are set up in each country.)

It saddens me that Turnabout Quiz didn't make it overseas. There were some dialogue gems in there. It also suggests that if he wasn't tied up with hasty judgments and a compromised story, Yamazaki & co. could definitely pull off the characters. They may have a strange sense of humor sometimes, but it's all in good fun.

[JesusMonroe]

What are some specific Detective novel/anime references in the JP version of the game (and you don't have to limit the references to what was mentioned in Dual Destinies)?

[Rubia Ryu the Royal]

I didn't pick out any particular detective novel reference in DD, but I know about the A Aiichirou series referenced in 1-4, which was almost like a direct tribute to one of its earliest novels, and the AI-16 that is in-part an enumeration of the name itself.

As for the anime stuff... Turnabout Return is like one big shout out to One Piece, especially with that cheery intro theme, which reminds me of one of OP's character theme songs. And of course, the so-called Judgetron has a Japanese name that reminds me of Mazinger Z. (Someone remind me what it was again?)

On a slight tangent, Moe's Japanese name is Tommy (Tomida Matsuo), which references a classic Japanese crime drama/comedy by the name of "Rumored Detectives Tommy and Matsu" from 1979.

Things like that. Since I have never watched Legal High, I have no idea if there's been a reference to such a contemporary show... but I sure wish it had.

[Ash]

It's also not very difficult to make a list of books / TV dramas that served as an inspiration for the many GS cases, though they are not really direct references. And most of it's Columbo anyway.

Another funny detective reference is the Japanese name of Marvin Grossberg. Hoshikage Soranosuke is a double reference. In Shimada Souji's Senseijutsu Satsujin Jiken / The Tokyo Zodiac Murders, the detective Mitarai Kiyoshi laments his name (literally, the clean toilet), saying a name like Tsukikage Hoshinosuke would be better. Hoshikage Soranosuke is obviously a play on that.

But both Takumi and Shimada were at the same time also referencing Ayukawa Tetsuya's detective Hoshikage Ryuuzou.

So Hoshikage Soranosuke (Takumi) <- Tsukikage Hoshinosuke (Shimada) <- Hoshikage Ryuuzou (Ayukawa).

[JaytheBluPirate]

I don't know if anyone brought this up, but...

Something was bothering about 5-5. I'll put what I know in a spoilers for the sake of the Dual Destines spoiler rule.

Spoiler: UR-1 Incident

We know that it have been 7 years since the UR-1 Incident happened, right? And the retrial happened 7 years later.

However, now that I thought about it. It was stated in 1-5 that if a case haven't been reopened within 2 years, it'll be put up in the vault and be forgotten. Yet...

Spoiler: The problem

Miles Edgeworth have the files for the UR-1 Incident. How did he get his hands on the files, IF the UR-1 Incident happened 7 years ago? Shouldn't it be in the vault with the other solved cases? And if so, how did he get access to the files?

[JesusMonroe]

I don't know if anyone brought this up, but...

Something was bothering about 5-5. I'll put what I know in a spoilers for the sake of the Dual Destines spoiler rule.

Spoiler: UR-1 Incident

We know that it have been 7 years since the UR-1 Incident happened, right? And the retrial happened 7 years later.

However, now that I thought about it. It was stated in 1-5 that if a case haven't been reopened within 2 years, it'll be put up in the vault and be forgotten. Yet...

Spoiler: The problem

Miles Edgeworth have the files for the UR-1 Incident. How did he get his hands on the files, IF the UR-1 Incident happened 7 years ago? Shouldn't it be in the vault with the other solved cases? And if so, how did he get access to the files?

1-5's vault was referring to violent crimes involving members of law enforcement. 1-5 also never stated that a case couldn't be reopened after two years, just that it would be very difficult to do so

Spoiler:

And considering Aura had a hostage situation going on, I'm sure Edgeworth would be able to get his hands on the files

[JaytheBluPirate]

1-5's vault was referring to violent crimes involving members of law enforcement. 1-5 also never stated that a case couldn't be reopened after two years, just that it would be very difficult to do so

Spoiler:

And considering Aura had a hostage situation going on, I'm sure Edgeworth would be able to get his hands on the files

Ah, it have been a while since I played 1-5. Sorry if my knowledge of 1-5 is a bit rusty.

Maybe you might be onto the reason why Edgeworth got his hands on the UR-1 files. If it was so difficult to reopen the UR-1 Incident case, he might have to pull some strings to get his hands on the files after he got word of the hostage situation.

[DefenceLawyer]

This may or may not be the right place for it, but I need someone's help.

I wish to purchase the full version of Dual Destinies on my ipad, but I am being given the option to buy the "main story set" or the individual episodes. Is the main story set the full game? I just want to make sure before I make the purchase. Thanks :)

[Jozerick]

The app description says:

Play the first episode for FREE!
※Episodes 2 through 5 can be purchased individually or as a set.

So yes, "Main Story Set" is equivalent to the full 3DS game without DLC (the special episode still has to be purchased separately, like on the 3DS).

[Oliver]

The app description says:

Play the first episode for FREE!
※Episodes 2 through 5 can be purchased individually or as a set.

So yes, "Main Story Set" is equivalent to the full 3DS game without DLC (the special episode still has to be purchased separately, like on the 3DS).

And I'm not sure of this as I got the 3DS version, but isn't the iOS version overall cheaper?

[Nurio]

Yes. I don't know the exact prices by heart, but it's considerably cheaper.

[D_Albertz]

Spoiler:

I don't mind being spoiled so, and as i am currently a shameful non-consumer who prefers watching stories unfold than playing because my lack of money so.. onto the point:
Why is it necessary for Phantom to kill Clay? Clay is well unconscious or collapsed in the beginning..why must HE killed him when he can simply sneaking up behind them. Is it because Clay suddenly awaken when Phantom coming to the lobby? Did i miss anything?

[Oliver]

Spoiler:

I don't mind being spoiled so, and as i am currently a shameful non-consumer who prefers watching stories unfold than playing because my lack of money so.. onto the point:
Why is it necessary for Phantom to kill Clay? Clay is well unconscious or collapsed in the beginning..why must HE killed him when he can simply sneaking up behind them. Is it because Clay suddenly awaken when Phantom coming to the lobby? Did i miss anything?

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure it's because Clay was actually alive and conscious. As he was in on that plan with Cosmos.

[D_Albertz]

Spoiler:

I don't mind being spoiled so, and as i am currently a shameful non-consumer who prefers watching stories unfold than playing because my lack of money so.. onto the point:
Why is it necessary for Phantom to kill Clay? Clay is well unconscious or collapsed in the beginning..why must HE killed him when he can simply sneaking up behind them. Is it because Clay suddenly awaken when Phantom coming to the lobby? Did i miss anything?

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure it's because Clay was actually alive and conscious. As he was in on that plan with Cosmos.

Spoiler:

Oh yeah that fake launching right?

[Oliver]

Spoiler:

I don't mind being spoiled so, and as i am currently a shameful non-consumer who prefers watching stories unfold than playing because my lack of money so.. onto the point:
Why is it necessary for Phantom to kill Clay? Clay is well unconscious or collapsed in the beginning..why must HE killed him when he can simply sneaking up behind them. Is it because Clay suddenly awaken when Phantom coming to the lobby? Did i miss anything?

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure it's because Clay was actually alive and conscious. As he was in on that plan with Cosmos.

Spoiler:

Oh yeah that fake launching right?

Spoiler:

Yes. But, just so you know, I might be wrong, I'm going off of memory here.

[Bryght Kane]

I noticed that Simon Blackquill adds the word Domo when he addresses the current defense attorney in court by his or her last name. What does Domo mean?

Spoiler:

I took noticed of the reactions during the scene when Robin Newman revealed she was a girl. I especially took note that Simon Blackquill reacted a 2nd time when Robin teased the courtroom about her letting everyone have a P E E K. Since Simon was the only one to react to Robin's teasing, I wondered what he was thinking in his mind. Was it appealing to him, in any way?

Is Simon Blackquill and Athena Cykes a shippable pairing? I had discussed this topic with a friend on FaceBook, He thought Simon was trying to win Athena's heart.

[Oliver]

I noticed that Simon Blackquill adds the word Domo when he addresses the current defense attorney in court by his or her last name. What does Domo mean?

Spoiler:

I took noticed of the reactions during the scene when Robin Newman revealed she was a girl. I especially took note that Simon Blackquill reacted a 2nd time when Robin teased the courtroom about her letting everyone have a P E E K. Since Simon was the only one to react to Robin's teasing, I wondered what he was thinking in his mind. Was it appealing to him, in any way?

Is Simon Blackquill and Athena Cykes a shippable pairing? I had discussed this topic with a friend on FaceBook, He thought Simon was trying to win Athena's heart.

It's dono, and it means, (I took this from Urban Dictionary)

A Japanese suffix. Ranking higher in levels of politeness, Dono should be used with the utmost respect. Although it is lower than Kyou, it is one of the highest honorifics.

And you shouldn't ask about ships in these threads, you can't exactly say, "This is a decisive pair" as fact.

[linkenski]

In the japanese version what is The Dark Age of Law directly translated to english? I've recently been thinking about DD and thought about how the game uses the characters and interpersonal conflicts analogous to the dark age of law, but thr word "age" is a lot of the reason why I think this theme comes across as out of place in a series that has always had the troubles which DD depicts but never directly addressed them as the main theme which DD wanted to (but still didn't do directly)

[Rubia Ryu the Royal]

It's translated directly as is: 法の暗黒時代. The "jidai" is translated to "age" or "era", namely a period of time

Perhaps the writers didn't convey it nearly as well as they could have, but it's like ikely referring to the whole 7-year gap between T&T and AJ, where the UR-1 Incident began.

[Ash]

So I never played AA4 in English, so I watched a video, but I noticed the localization was a bit off. In the Japanese version, Phoenix clearly says the dark age of law is already upon them, and that it was the Inital Trial System that's the cause of that. In the localized version, Phoenix suggest that dark times are coming (= not there yet). So in the original version, it's a bit more clear that it's been going for a longer time.

I also think that the release order might not have optimal for Western players. For Japanese players, the releases of Rise of the Ashes -> AA4 -> (GK1) -> GK2 form a clear line of major corruption/forgery cases within the legal world. Obviously, bad things had been going on in the AA legal world for a long time, but it was implied in those games that certain high-ranking characters had a habit of 'smoothing' these cases out and get them out of the public eye ASAP. With the persons gone who would usually keep things quiet, (because of Rise/GK2), as well as the Phoenix/Blackquill trials (and Phoenix/Edgeworth' careers of exposing things), the faults of the Initial Trial System were made more visible to the general public, leading to a general 'understanding' that the system was faulty, and to win in that system, you needed to cheat. For a lot of players though, the order would be Rise of the Ashes -> AA2 -> AA3 -> AA4 -> AA5 -> GK2, which makes the story they have been telling for a long time now less obvious.

[linkenski]

It's definitely notable that the localization of RftA, AJAA and AA5 differs. RftA happened under Ben Judd's localization; it was known that Janet Hsu first entered the localization department of this particular series with JFA, I think she said while AA1 credits Ben Judd as the localization manager but they probably had some of the same sub-translators. AA4 however got outsourced to Alexander O. Smith who is aknowledged for his excellent translations and then it was localized afterwards by Janet and her team while AA5 got the same treatment as AA2, T&T and AAI, where Janet and her team handled it exclusively.

In the english version of AA4 Phoenix does say that a dark time is coming in the final case as well, but the reason why I feel AA5 fails to deliver this theme is because it follows that idea, saying "A dark time has arrived" and then continues to show how basically everything is the same it's always been with forgeries and stuff, even the third case depicting a school with shady things going on fails as it's depicting something rather disingenuous to the argument that there's apparently a Dark Age of Law now more than ever. The most pertinent issue DD highlights it does without showing it; there's a "distrust" towards the legal world and that is the Dark Age of Law, which the finale actually addresses through the characters and the turmoil between them being analogous to the distrust in the larger picture, if you catch my drift.

I think the emphasis on "time" was probably in the original script as well then, but that's probably the biggest thing that works against the story DD tells.

[ocastitaslilium]

I heard that if you beat Dual Destinies in under 4 hours or so, Pearl will channel Clay for Apollo and, well... you get the idea. IS THIS TRUE??????

Spoiler:

[Klonoahedgehog]

I heard that if you beat Dual Destinies in under 4 hours or so, Pearl will channel Clay for Apollo and, well... you get the idea. IS THIS TRUE??????

Spoiler:

...No.

[Apollo4Justice]

I noticed that Simon Blackquill adds the word Domo when he addresses the current defense attorney in court by his or her last name. What does Domo mean?

Spoiler:

I took noticed of the reactions during the scene when Robin Newman revealed she was a girl. I especially took note that Simon Blackquill reacted a 2nd time when Robin teased the courtroom about her letting everyone have a P E E K. Since Simon was the only one to react to Robin's teasing, I wondered what he was thinking in his mind. Was it appealing to him, in any way?

Is Simon Blackquill and Athena Cykes a shippable pairing? I had discussed this topic with a friend on FaceBook, He thought Simon was trying to win Athena's heart.

It's dono, and it means, (I took this from Urban Dictionary)

A Japanese suffix. Ranking higher in levels of politeness, Dono should be used with the utmost respect. Although it is lower than Kyou, it is one of the highest honorifics.

And you shouldn't ask about ships in these threads, you can't exactly say, "This is a decisive pair" as fact.

To add onto what he says, Blackquill uses "dono" mockingly, considering how he treats the defensem from what I think. Also,

Spoiler: Case 3

considering how Blackquill reacts with something negative, something like "Gagh!", when Robin suggested a "P.E.E.K.", I doubt he was thinking anything dirty.

[FenrirDarkWolf]

So the site has Metis's age listed as 33, but can anyone source this in the game?

[Nurio]

This may have already been asked before, but there's one thing I wonder.
Athena uses several phrases from different languages, like Spanish, French and German. What I wonder is, what languages does she speak in the Japanese version?

[FenrirDarkWolf]

This may have already been asked before, but there's one thing I wonder.
Athena uses several phrases from different languages, like Spanish, French and German. What I wonder is, what languages does she speak in the Japanese version?

I think she peppers it with English in the Japanese version, especially her "Let's do this!" which is rendered in English text.