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text errors to entire plots, what would you change.
(Once again if I'm breaking any rules I'm sorry)
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I would change the "only one right answer" on cross examinations to a "multiple answer type" but there is a catch if you do the wrong thing you could get a guilty verdict.
And change "The miracle never happen" to "The miracle did not happen"
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If I could change something...
I would change the "only one right answer" on cross examinations to a "multiple answer type" but there is a catch if you do the wrong thing you could get a guilty verdict.
And change "The miracle never happen" to "The miracle did not happen"
I would change the "only one right answer" on cross examinations to a "multiple answer type" but there is a catch if you do the wrong thing you could get a guilty verdict.
And change "The miracle never happen" to "The miracle did not happen"
Or..."The miracle never happened."
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I also remember when we used to have respectable members. :(
I also remember when we used to have respectable members. :(
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and pressing Moe too hard = penalty.
aaarggggh.
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I would have liked to have something of Lana Skye and Damon Gant in 1 before the last chapter. I understand why that didn't happen (it being an add-on and all) but it felt weird just having them dropped in my lap from nowhere when supposedly they were very important people whose names would be on the lips of everyone in the law and legal system. That's a minor quibble really but it would have really helped 1:5 have some built up tension I think.
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I would have liked to have something of Lana Skye and Damon Gant in 1 before the last chapter. I understand why that didn't happen (it being an add-on and all) but it felt weird just having them dropped in my lap from nowhere when supposedly they were very important people whose names would be on the lips of everyone in the law and legal system.
IAWTC. It does make you wonder when a lawyer doesn't know the Chief Prosecutor and the Chief of Police. Though I suppose when the tutorials are on, he doesn't know what a CROSS-EXAMINATION is... and then there's the entire "Motive, Opportunity, Decisive Evidence" thing... >>;' (And that wasn't even a tutorial!)
Unrealistically, I'd've loved more backstory on some of the victims, but it's superfluous information so I know it wouldn't happen. A girl can dream though...
Realistically... I wish they hadn't put that comment on about being unable to fake being a Defense Attorney in 1-5. It's, well, completely debunked (with a bunker buster) in game 3. *cough*ZENI*cough*EDGEWORTH*cough*
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Silly visor man, I care nothing for your cliche motivations and nonsensical reasoning.I'd probably change 1-5, too, to at least remove Edgeworth. I didn't like how they tried to ret-con his "badness" by saying "Oh, he would NEVER forge evidence. His reputation as a Demon Prosecutor isn't his fault!" Edgeworth's story through the game is all about redemption. It's OKAY to say he was a bad person before he started to change. That's...kind of the point, isn't it? I thought him realizing the error of his ways and leaving on a journey of self discovery was more powerful in the original version, rather than him geting nearly chased out of the district for mistakes that weren't his doing.
In 1-5, doesn't Phoenix even say, "I'll be waiting for you" or something like that? He already knew by the end of the case that Edgeworth was thiiiiis close to quitting. But part of the conflict they had in 2-4 was that Phoenix was so surprised by Edgeworth's disappearance, and so hurt by it. That doesn't really hold up if he'd been tipped off ahead of time.
I'd also like to fix the end of 1-2 so that it makes more sense. Or at least so that Phoenix could actually win instead of Mia blackmailing Redd into confessing.
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Croik wrote:
I'd also like to fix the end of 1-2 so that it makes more sense. Or at least so that Phoenix could actually win instead of Mia blackmailing Redd into confessing.
Irony ey?
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Croik wrote:
I'd probably change 1-5, too, to at least remove Edgeworth. I didn't like how they tried to ret-con his "badness" by saying "Oh, he would NEVER forge evidence. His reputation as a Demon Prosecutor isn't his fault!" Edgeworth's story through the game is all about redemption. It's OKAY to say he was a bad person before he started to change. That's...kind of the point, isn't it? I thought him realizing the error of his ways and leaving on a journey of self discovery was more powerful in the original version, rather than him geting nearly chased out of the district for mistakes that weren't his doing.
Agreed. It sounds kind of strange when, having played through 1-5 and already seen the "redeemed Edgeworth" (who has realised that perfection isn't all that matters, and helps Phoenix to find the truth) then come across of 2-4 and find Edgeworth talking about something he actually knew before leaving. Furthermore, on 1-5 (if memory serves) is Phoenix who teaches Edgeworth what being a lawyer means, while on 2-4 its exactly the opposite: Edgewroth teaching Phoenix. Somewhat this doesn't make sense, and spoils a bit the effect of 2-4.
I suppose there weren't any other attorneys to be used on 1-5, except Payne, who seems a lot less interesting than Edgeworth on that case. They could still have created someone just for 1-5, I guess...
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Would be nice if the investigation bits in JFA and TNT were as fun to play as 1-5. Even if there's not enough room for "scientific investigation".
I'd certainly love to have the map system replaced, so much walking around and point and clicking.. Having something like the overhead map in Persona/Trauma Center and a pop-up menu for subsections might be nice. And maybe throw in a back button to return to the overhead map so you don't have to click and click and click your way back to the office.
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However, besides the cultural differences, it is apparent Capcom decides to localize the game the way they because of the names; the puns will be lost in translation if they ever stick with the japanese names.
As such, i think they should release some X anniversary set in the future with a more accurate translate when asian names in video games is more common, much like how anime companies re-release old popular anime with a more faithful translation like Akira and Kiki's delivery service.
One can only wish.
Other than that, I wish that Capcom did a better job in making the exclusive ep 5 of the first AA game, as well as fixing the dialogue Phoenix says that it is his first time in the defendent's chair in Turnabout sisters.
To me, Rise to ashes doesn't fit because it seems that future AA games(except GS4) ignores this case. Sure, Rise to Ashes is made 4 yearss after the original GS games with Phoenix, but seeing how Capcom include the game for the first DS AA game and re-released the other two GS games on the DS, it wouldn't be hard (but probably tiresome) to scan through the games and remove or alter some dialogue (I am suprise they didnt do this with ep 2 of GS1 DS because that game seems to have more money spent to be ported as oppose to the others, being how it was an intentional remake or some sorts) to make it match with Rise to Ashes.
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I would erase Moe from the game. He's the one thing I didn't like the from the game (sorry, Moe fans!)
And I'm gonna devour your soul while you are sleeping
Aha Aha Aha Aha Aha Aha!The only things I would change is that I would try to stick in some more cutural references like they have already.
Also, I would a Fransizka/Adrian canon somehow.
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I think having Edgeworth in there for fanfare is okay, but have him mystery disappear before the first court date.
I mean, have it where the opening is the same but have him disappear after receiving his award... Wait, that may not work because of the location of the body in 1-5.
They can decide to add Edgey in flashbacks and have him not in the ep at all. I mean they can have it where he disappeared in the original timeline, after 1-4 without time to rearrange anything. I mean Phoenix did believed that Edgeworth
Spoiler: spoiler for those who haven't played AA2
For instance, the location the body was found and the Da office can be left the way it is whereas dialogue will say something like because court trials are at its peak this time of the season, the police dept was too busy in removing Edgeworth's stuff. Or they can have it that the new DA has an unhealthy obsession with Edgeworth and he/she told the police not to move his things so that it can be perserved.
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Doom Saber wrote:
I mean Phoenix did believed that Edgeworth in AA2.
Spoiler: spoiler for those who haven't played AA2
No, he didn't.
As for 1-5, I still say it doesn't whitewash Edgeworth any more than 1-4 did, which was the ultimate in "demon prosecutor--oh wait, woobie in disguuise" turnabouts. Not that I'm complaining about that either, I love 1-4. I just think 1-5 makes a much better bridge for the two games, since it leaves on a more uncertain note than "yay we won and everyone is happy now".
As for what I'd change, I have to agree with Mia popping in and out, but especially in GS2, where she had no real place in the plot and was really annoying when she sidebarred for you.
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She was okay and all, and I can understand how she comes back...but like Raelle said at the beginning, it sort of takes away from the fact that...well, she's dead.
Perhaps Mia's advice could've been just constant flashbacks of what she said in Phoenix's head...but there're spirit mediums and all...yeah, I can see why she comes back, but it just seems...I don't know, overdone?
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As for what I'd change, I have to agree with Mia popping in and out, but especially in GS2, where she had no real place in the plot and was really annoying when she sidebarred for you.
Mia's random appearances are one of the things I didn't liked from the series. They take her away just when you most need a guide to play (after the quick tutorial on 1-1) and then keep returning her at the most unexpected moments. Sure she helps a lot on earlier cases, and provides a nice connection between Maya and Phoenix, but I agree with you about JFA: she's more annoying than helpful, especially when...
Spoiler: About Mia in 2-2
The end of 1-2 also could be improved; actually there's no way Phoenix could win that case if it wasn't for Mia solving it all on the last minute, with lots of evidence nobody had heard of (including the receipt, which casually no one had read on all the entire case)
All those comings and leavings makes you lost respect for the death on Phoenix Wright. How can you feel sorry for someone who's on a death threat when you're actually working with a dead person almost all the time?
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musouka wrote:
Doom Saber wrote:
I mean Phoenix did believed that Edgeworth in AA2.
Spoiler: spoiler for those who haven't played AA2
No, he didn't.
I could have sworn Phoenix thought Edgeworth have. I mean I remember Phoenix thinking that Edgeworth died in AA2 and didn't Edgeworth left some suicide note or something? I mean he did kept saying that Edgeworth died and was a coward. Someone clear this up for me?
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Something that intrigues me, though, is that most of you are talking about changing aspects of the story, but I believe doing so would require an extensive chain of rewrites to keep the story "whole", for lack of a better word. I mean, it's fine to say you don't like certain parts or characters, but changing or removing them altogether would be altering the game, maybe to a point that it becomes something entirely different.
Take Mia, for example. If you remove the ability for her to come back, a very large chunk of three whole games would need to be altered, but in a careful way;
- If you take away the Fey's abilities to channel spirits, that would automatically negate 2-2 and 3-5.
- If you make it so Maya and Pearl never existed, that would drastically change all three games, and Phoenix would have a different sidekick.
- Even just taking away the ability to channel Mia while being able to call other spirits would create plot holes.
That's mostly why I wouldn't change the story itself. It just wouldn't be the same, at least to me.
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Croik wrote:
In 1-5, doesn't Phoenix even say, "I'll be waiting for you" or something like that? He already knew by the end of the case that Edgeworth was thiiiiis close to quitting. But part of the conflict they had in 2-4 was that Phoenix was so surprised by Edgeworth's disappearance, and so hurt by it. That doesn't really hold up if he'd been tipped off ahead of time.
Yeah, actually, that was confusing as hell, especially for someone who didn't know the 5'th case was ret-conned in. I knew that, but I somehow forgot that, and I was like "Why is Phoenix mad at him? It's not like he didn't know.", and then I was like "Oh, yeah, That really ended with Turnabout Goodbyes."
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I would erase Moe from the game. He's the one thing I didn't like the from the game (sorry, Moe fans!)
There are Moe fans? I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who actually liked him.
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Daramue wrote:
Haruhi wrote:
I would erase Moe from the game. He's the one thing I didn't like the from the game (sorry, Moe fans!)
There are Moe fans? I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who actually liked him.
actually I do, I just can't stand the part with him in court XD and his jokes are cheesy, but that's kinda why I like him. he reminds me of my grandpa in a way.
the characters I dislike are actually the more popular ones. eh.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
- If you take away the Fey's abilities to channel spirits, that would automatically negate 2-2 and 3-5.
- If you make it so Maya and Pearl never existed, that would drastically change all three games, and Phoenix would have a different sidekick.
- Even just taking away the ability to channel Mia while being able to call other spirits would create plot holes.
- If you make it so Maya and Pearl never existed, that would drastically change all three games, and Phoenix would have a different sidekick.
- Even just taking away the ability to channel Mia while being able to call other spirits would create plot holes.
Just make spirit-channeling more difficult. Something that takes a lot of preperation unless you are under the most absolutely direst of circumstances.
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At first I was going to write that Mia should've been kept around until AA2 or AA3, but thinking back, her death was what hooked me onto the series in the first place.
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musouka wrote:
As for 1-5, I still say it doesn't whitewash Edgeworth any more than 1-4 did, which was the ultimate in "demon prosecutor--oh wait, woobie in disguuise" turnabouts. Not that I'm complaining about that either, I love 1-4. I just think 1-5 makes a much better bridge for the two games, since it leaves on a more uncertain note than "yay we won and everyone is happy now".
I think the difference in 1-4 and 1-5 is that even though in 1-4 you come to realize Edgeworth isn't just an asshole, that doesn't change the fact that he'd been behaving badly until then. Knowing his motivations didn't necessarily clear him of wrongdoing. But in 1-5 they went out of the way to remove his reputation as a bad prosecutor entirely.
Even before you meet Edgeworth you learn about his reputation as a "demon prosecutor" who will do anything to win. When you face him in court, right off the bat he comes off as dishonest when he produces Mia's "second" autopsy report. For those first two cases you see him coach witnesses. The game leads you to believe that he's not completely honest in his work, so in 1-5 when they try to say, "Oh yeah, those rumors...totally not true," it felt kind of silly to me.
And I kind of like that GS1 ended on a happy note, because that made Edgeworth's disappearance in 2 all the more surprising. It was like, "Hey wait, I thought he was okay...! What happened!?" As opposed to playing JFA after 1-5 and already knowing he quit.
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Doom Saber wrote:
musouka wrote:
Doom Saber wrote:
I mean Phoenix did believed that Edgeworth in AA2.
Spoiler: spoiler for those who haven't played AA2
No, he didn't.
I could have sworn Phoenix thought Edgeworth have. I mean I remember Phoenix thinking that Edgeworth died in AA2 and didn't Edgeworth left some suicide note or something? I mean he did kept saying that Edgeworth died and was a coward. Someone clear this up for me?
Nope, Phoenix never thought Edgeworth died.
Spoiler: Extremely slight GS2 spoilers throughout.
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Doom Saber wrote:
First off, I would get a more faithful translation of the games probably via an anniversary set or a bonus of some kind. I am a sucker of faithful translations regardless of the origin of the original source material.
However, besides the cultural differences, it is apparent Capcom decides to localize the game the way they because of the names; the puns will be lost in translation if they ever stick with the japanese names.
As such, i think they should release some X anniversary set in the future with a more accurate translate when asian names in video games is more common, much like how anime companies re-release old popular anime with a more faithful translation like Akira and Kiki's delivery service.
One can only wish.
However, besides the cultural differences, it is apparent Capcom decides to localize the game the way they because of the names; the puns will be lost in translation if they ever stick with the japanese names.
As such, i think they should release some X anniversary set in the future with a more accurate translate when asian names in video games is more common, much like how anime companies re-release old popular anime with a more faithful translation like Akira and Kiki's delivery service.
One can only wish.
No. The translation we have is already VERY faithful to the source, but actually enjoyable to read. Most direct literal translations (without any embellishing / localizing at all) are a chore to get through. I'd fix the typos and nothing else.
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I would clean up all typos, and change the whole burgers thing, to me, it just doesn't fit at all, I'd probably change it back to ramen since they already have instant noodles.
I'd also give justice for all a fifth case with all the science and stuff, and a sixth case for T&T with science also.
Don't mind me, just passing through.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
No. The translation we have is already VERY faithful to the source, but actually enjoyable to read. Most direct literal translations (without any embellishing / localizing at all) are a chore to get through. I'd fix the typos and nothing else.
Agreed. A 100% faithful translation would probably appeal to less than 100 people; they'd have no reason to market it. The Japanese version was all about pop culture references and puns. Just like the Japanese wouldn't get Bel-Air references, most of us wouldn't get jokes about their comedians from the 80's. That kind of thing is left best to niche fan translations for those who are really interested.
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Other than that, I'm happy with the way the game is.
The spirit channeling may not appeal to all but it's also too much of an integral part of the game's story, the game would change completely if you took it out.
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She did make for some great comedy moments for sure, but the slip side of that was to diminish her somewhat in terms of how her death impacts on Phoenix and Maya.
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Other than that, I'm happy with the way the game is. The spirit channeling may not appeal to all but it's also too much of an integral part of the game's story, the game would change completely if you took it out.
The spirit channeling may not appeal to all but it's also too much of an integral part of the game's story, the game would change completely if you took it out.Well, there's no need to take all the spirit channeling out. As someone said before, it would have been enough if they made it be so difficult to make Mia's appearances less frequent and perhaps more relevant to the plot, instead of the "I don't understand that, oh wait, I'm going to channel my dead sister so she can solve all the case" thing that sometimes happen.
In fact, channeling was difficult for Maya on PW1 and Mia could only appear on extreme tension moments. But on PW2 they introduced Pearl and improved Maya's habilities so Mia seems to pop in and out without effort.
Other than that, I'll fix some of the explanations of 1-5 which don't seem to match, like the...
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And definitely drop a bit the difficulty of 3-2 at least.
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