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Let's post some characters, shall we? (Credits to Deufeufeu, check this site for more.)
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Masaka, exposed.
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I have no idea who he is...
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A witness of Case 2, I guess?
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Possible witness of case 4. The first non-human witness?
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No idea.
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One of the magicians, Before...
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And after.
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Makoto, defendant of Case 4.
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A victim.


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I really didn't want to spoil this game, but I fell victim to the pressure of the spoiler tags....lol. Oh well, as long as I don't spoil the solutions to the puzzles I'll be content.

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In addition, After the case ended Naruhodo said he will take the test again and get back his badge, continuing his career as a lawyer.



Good. Will Powers Exactly how I hoped this would play out.

I guess my only major remaining question is:

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How does this new jury system work?
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Ok after reading everything (took me a bit) here's what I think

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:odoroki: & Minuki siblings is cool. A very nice twist. How Garyuu was connected to Hobohodo is while a blow something that I can handle. Detective Gumshoe & Meekins is a nice fan service. No appearance of Maya Fey or Edgeworth maybe something they are saving for GS5 (I already have ideas for a fanfic). Finally the change to a jury system I felt was inivitable. Criminal cases in Japan were handled by Bench Trails for years but they are planning to switch to Trial by Jury in 2009 so they had to change it to make it look more realistic. But don't worry about Judge, I'm sure that the Jury will stay quiet, at the end hand him a piece of paper and he will annouce the verdict. Only real difference at the end maybe that when he adjoruns he'll also say "The Jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court."

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Ok after reading everything (took me a bit) here's what I think

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:odoroki: & Minuki siblings is cool. A very nice twist. How Garyuu was connected to Hobohodo is while a blow something that I can handle. Detective Gumshoe & Meekins is a nice fan service. No appearance of Maya Fey or Edgeworth maybe something they are saving for GS5 (I already have ideas for a fanfic). Finally the change to a jury system I felt was inivitable. Criminal cases in Japan were handled by Bench Trails for years but they are planning to switch to Trial by Jury in 2009 so they had to change it to make it look more realistic. But don't worry about Judge, I'm sure that the Jury will stay quiet, at the end hand him a piece of paper and he will annouce the verdict. Only real difference at the end maybe that when he adjoruns he'll also say "The Jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court."



! i'd like to hear about these fanfic ideas. :D
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and yeah, i AM hoping they appear in GS5 too. there SHOULD be a GS5...right?

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Happiness Punch:
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The cloaked one looks like Odoroki's/Minuki's mum, though I haven't played the game yet so I'm not certain. (Waiting for an English translation or learning Japanese, whichever one comes first)
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TheDarkArchon wrote:
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The cloaked one looks like Odoroki's/Minuki's mum, though I haven't played the game yet so I'm not certain. (Waiting for an English translation or learning Japanese, whichever one comes first)



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Oh, actually, I know it's her! I'm just wondering about the person to the left...
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Okay- I gave in and read the spoiler tags. Well, it's my birthday, I'm allowed...
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GS4= EPIC WIN & AWESOME. I can understand why it got all 9's from Famitsu! Believe me, the second there's even a rumour about an English release, I'll be bouncing round the room! Or I could just get off my lazy arse and start learning Japanese again.
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Nah, I'll wait for an English release. I'm pretty dumb, so it'd probably be faster...
Also- Yay! Garyuu is evil! I won't have to eat my hat, like I said I would if he wasn't evil! Actually, I wouldn't mind too much, as I'm wearing a hat shaped like a birthday cake right now. Anyway, a couple of questions...
1) Does it mention anywhere about what Ema's been doing for the past 9 years? It's not exactly important, it'd just be nice to know...
2) Remember the interview with Shu Takumi?
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Such compassionate people here at Capcom! However, they gave me two conditions.

-> You have to bring back characters from the original series... or at least Phoenix Wright.
-> You have to address XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX in the story.

Any idea what XXXXXXX is, now that we know what happens in the game? I thought it'd be Edgeworth, but I suppose not...
Wait- maybe it's the new trial system? If it was, that would be the most boring spoiler ever...

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can anyone send me a rom as well? sorry for the request so late into the topic though... Sadshoe
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Hey! I want a ROM too! No fair. Oh. Ever wonder how strangely familiar Minuki's hat looks almost exactly like Max Galactica's? Minus the feather. Not sure if anyone posted that before. I don't wanted to scroll through nine pages of spoiler boxes.
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I knew i should have read through all the pages before i posted that Nick sorry Larry
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Well. Looks like it's LimeWire for me.
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Wait, so Phoenix becomes a lawyer again?

I'm not sure what I think about that. So he's gonna be more of a Mia-like character to him, albeit not dead? Not sure I like that, to be honest. I thought he was a completely different person now.

Also, do you sort of get the feeling that maybe they're trying to make it too dramatic? Too many twists, too elaborate of a story, too much backstory, too soon? We find out they're siblings, Phoenix is redeemed, we know a insane amount of backstory already! We still don't know who Phoenix's parents are.


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Wait, so Phoenix becomes a lawyer again?

I'm not sure what I think about that. So he's gonna be more of a Mia-like character to him, albeit not dead? Not sure I like that, to be honest. I thought he was a completely different person now.

Also, do you sort of get the feeling that maybe they're trying to make it too dramatic? Too many twists, too elaborate of a story, too much backstory, too soon? We find out they're siblings, Phoenix is redeemed, we know a insane amount of backstory already! We still don't know who Phoenix's parents are.


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well, i'm pretty sure that the creator of GS (gosh. i forgot his name) had said in the blogs that he wanted a WHOLE NEW STORY. i'm pretty sure that he wants to concentrate on Odoroki now, and i'm guessing Phoenix will be a supporting character.
i'm hoping for some Maya or Edgeworth (preferable the former) appearances in any future GS's. perhaps their appearance could make a good case.

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After playing the game:
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A lot of people had the impression that Odoroki is just a new character to expand Naruhodo's story, and the next time will be Naruhodo as the lead again.

Although this may not be the truth, I do think Odoroki's character did not come off as strong as Takumi expected him to be. Odoroki's story is TOO complete, entirely driven for Naruhodo's story. Unlike Minuki, whom on the other hand, gained much more approvals from the players.

And yes, they are playing a bit of that Attorney/Prosecutor (Odoroki/Young Garyuu) vibe again in case 2&3.


I so wanted them to make a

Gyakuten Saiban Gaiden - Turnabout Rice Country (please laugh if you understand the pun)
so we can possibly get to see those old prosecutors in action.
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We've known what Ema's up to for a while now. She went to Europe to study and then became a detective as soon as she could.
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The Magician looks like Minuki's teacher or something

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tsurikato wrote:
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well, i'm pretty sure that the creator of GS (gosh. i forgot his name) had said in the blogs that he wanted a WHOLE NEW STORY. i'm pretty sure that he wants to concentrate on Odoroki now, and i'm guessing Phoenix will be a supporting character.
i'm hoping for some Maya or Edgeworth (preferable the former) appearances in any future GS's. perhaps their appearance could make a good case.



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Let's hope so. Seriously, from what I gather in the spoilers, we have absolutely no reason to give a shit about Odoroki anymore. I mean, we know why he got into law, we know how he reacts to fake evidence. Unless they bank on the Jury thing in GS5, or introduce another prosecutor so that the interactions between the Defense/Prosecution aren't the same as always...

I'm thinking the second chapter in Odoroki's life will be something entirely unrelated to him. I'd mark for something related to the Judge.

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sorry. i'm awfully slow, but...

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who did Minuki and Odoroki's mom marry first? the victim in case 1 or the other guy?

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tsurikato wrote:
sorry. i'm awfully slow, but...

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who did Minuki and Odoroki's mom marry first? the victim in case 1 or the other guy?




Just think about it... Who is older? Odoroki(22) or Minuki(15)?
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Naila wrote:
tsurikato wrote:
sorry. i'm awfully slow, but...

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who did Minuki and Odoroki's mom marry first? the victim in case 1 or the other guy?




Just think about it... Who is older? Odoroki(22) or Minuki(15)?


ah! got it.
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>_< Man, what has Gyakutan Saiban turn into? I know it's always been some kind of freak show, but this is too much for me! Jerry Springer-ish magicians? Prosecutors are also rock stars? What's next on their list: Evil Organ stealing aliens murdering helpless doctors?

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You know what this seems like to me...

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A continuation of what happened after Case 1-5, rather than 3-5, like if this was an alternate universe.


There's a few facts backing me up on this...

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• Case 1-5 is like an alternate universe of the Phoenix Wright series; it was a special case added on to the DS version, so it might have been made after the storyline to Phoenix's trilogy was set.

• None of the characters from 1-5 appeared in the second and third game.

• Edgeworth supposively dropped off the face of the Earth after 1-4. Everyone, including Phoenix and Edgeworth, acts like 1-5 never happened.

• If what I gathered is true, only Gumshoe, Meekins, and Ema are here, and they're in 1-5. Since Maya isn't here, we could assume she 'stayed' at the village for her training. Edgeworth maybe quit or moved away or something else after 1-5.

• Since no one from the second or third game is coming back, and the majority of people from the first game aren't either, except from 1-5, it almost seems like the alternate universe that 1-5 created is where the fourth game begins.


Is this a crazy theory? It's like a lot of other video game series, I believe, where previous games don't add up perfectly. Eh?
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I spent quite a while reading everything here and here is my say.

The biggest shock for me was... (Keep in mind I don't want to spoil GS3...)
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OMG BLOND VILLIANS. Garyuu


And... Phoenix....
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is so nice he adopted a little lost girl, that just makes me wanna cry in joy.


I'm a bit disappointed...
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no Maya, Edgeworth OR Will Powers!?


And when naming returning characters...
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You forgot Payne! I can see why though... Payne

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Spoiler:
Things I expected in GS4 and seems to be there:

- A priest witness (thought that was missing)
- Garyuu is evil and the secret prosecutor.
- Guitar is the murder weapon in a case (?)
- Phoenix will be defense - even if shortly (?)

So I'm looking very forward to actually playing this.

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- A priest witness (thought that was missing)

You mean this one?
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No. That witness is a university student.

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Magmar's Fury wrote:
You know what this seems like to me...

Spoiler:
A continuation of what happened after Case 1-5, rather than 3-5, like if this was an alternate universe.


There's a few facts backing me up on this...

Spoiler:
• Case 1-5 is like an alternate universe of the Phoenix Wright series; it was a special case added on to the DS version, so it might have been made after the storyline to Phoenix's trilogy was set.

• None of the characters from 1-5 appeared in the second and third game.

• Edgeworth supposively dropped off the face of the Earth after 1-4. Everyone, including Phoenix and Edgeworth, acts like 1-5 never happened.

• If what I gathered is true, only Gumshoe, Meekins, and Ema are here, and they're in 1-5. Since Maya isn't here, we could assume she 'stayed' at the village for her training. Edgeworth maybe quit or moved away or something else after 1-5.

• Since no one from the second or third game is coming back, and the majority of people from the first game aren't either, except from 1-5, it almost seems like the alternate universe that 1-5 created is where the fourth game begins.


Is this a crazy theory? It's like a lot of other video game series, I believe, where previous games don't add up perfectly. Eh?


They're all in the same universe. Just because there aren't any recurring characters outside of a handful doesn't mean it's an alternate universe, merely that the story was mostly focused on Odoroki and the newer characters.


A shift in focus doesn't mean that Phoenix's history didn't happen or something, especially since he's considered a "legend", and I hardly call someone with just five cases under his belt a legend. Yuusaku
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Magmar's Fury wrote:
You know what this seems like to me...

Spoiler:
A continuation of what happened after Case 1-5, rather than 3-5, like if this was an alternate universe.


There's a few facts backing me up on this...

Spoiler:
• Case 1-5 is like an alternate universe of the Phoenix Wright series; it was a special case added on to the DS version, so it might have been made after the storyline to Phoenix's trilogy was set.

• None of the characters from 1-5 appeared in the second and third game.

• Edgeworth supposively dropped off the face of the Earth after 1-4. Everyone, including Phoenix and Edgeworth, acts like 1-5 never happened.

• If what I gathered is true, only Gumshoe, Meekins, and Ema are here, and they're in 1-5. Since Maya isn't here, we could assume she 'stayed' at the village for her training. Edgeworth maybe quit or moved away or something else after 1-5.

• Since no one from the second or third game is coming back, and the majority of people from the first game aren't either, except from 1-5, it almost seems like the alternate universe that 1-5 created is where the fourth game begins.


Is this a crazy theory? It's like a lot of other video game series, I believe, where previous games don't add up perfectly. Eh?


They're all in the same universe. Just because there aren't any recurring characters outside of a handful doesn't mean it's an alternate universe, merely that the story was mostly focused on Odoroki and the newer characters.


A shift in focus doesn't mean that Phoenix's history didn't happen or something, especially since he's considered a "legend", and I hardly call someone with just five cases under his belt a legend. Yuusaku


Indeed, just because most of the old cast haven't appeared doesn't mean they're out of the story completly. They've all got their own lives to lead outside of Phoenix's adventures, after all.

Plus, who's to say closer people like Maya and Edgeworth weren't involved in Phoenix's plight offscreen? It's hard to believe Phoenix wouldn't ask for help considering the situation he ended up in.
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'Ivan wrote:
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Can't find any Kyouya body shots but I did find...

Spoiler: Phoenix's Locket
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Spoiler: Look Who It Is!
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Besides that:
Spoiler: GS4
Wow... his cell is awfully furnished, isn't it?




T_T Can't see it (nor the rest of the pics posted!!! anyway I could see them??
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Happiness Punch! wrote:
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Sweet Mug O' Coffee, he looks like Roger from RENT. O__O;


*Ponders*

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so we can possibly get to see those old prosecutors in action.


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Garyuu Foolish little brother... You lack hatred!!!

Minuki SAAAAAAAASUUUUUKEEEEEEEE!!!!


Lawl. :P

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Wow. I just saw Garyuu 1.0's prison cell and immediately thought about Ex-Chief Ganto.

Of course, he doesn't have a pool in his, but... WTF? A friggen bookcase, and... Is that a snowglobe?! The hell is up with that? ... And why does he STILL have his attorney's badge if he's in jail? :/

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On the defufu page, there's a picture of the cell without Kiri-chan in it. He has a violin and an expensive chair as well.

Maybe he threatened people if he didn't get his posh cell the way he wanted it. XD;

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Spoiler: Cell
Perhaps all that stuff was von Karma's, and when he was executed they were too lazy to vacate the cell, or decided to use it to house the high-class prisoners.

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Minor Updates

Corrections on Case 2:

The cart:
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is not a BBQ booth, it is a misou-flavored Ramen booth. (does have a BBQ-ish name, though)


Maya:
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Those Big Edo Warrior tapes Naruhodo piled in his hospital room are sent by someone "who like them very much". My bet is on Maya. But Naruhodo did not say who it is.


Akane/Naruhodo (Akane->Naruhodo?):
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Don't get your hopes too high.

Looks like Akane wasn't very close to Naruhodo and Minuki, at least she does not know who the grown-up Minuki is.

She said if they are "That Person's" daughter and apprentice, then she must help them.

(Finger print powder) "Those powders are filled with memories...with Mr. Naruhodo..."(happy face)
(Odoroki responded with a WTF monologue "memories...on powders?")


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OMG YAY!

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Maya isn't dead! Maya Fey That's such good news.

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More on Akane:

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She went to US to study scientific investigation...but insteading working in US, she made the decision to go back to Japan, because when she was in trouble, the people who helped her, such as Naruhodo, are all in Japan. She wanted to work as a CSI, but got assigned to the detective department instead. She is not so happy about it.

Odoroki showed sympathy, and made the assumption that she just came back from America recently, so she must not know what happened 7 years ago and Naruhodo's situation.
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Then if thats so...

Spoiler: Case 1-5 and more
Where would she have been if this gets localised? The English case 1-5 said she would go to europe but where? Probably either the UK or Germany I think

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I don't see how any of that makes my signature any less likely... Meekins


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There is one thing that does not seem to match with the assumption of "Akane just came back, dunno what happened to Naruhodo". The button is on his hat, even before Case 1...and it is a gift from her. So at least these two communicated with each other one way or the other before the talk with Odoroki in Sympathy park.


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Spoiler: Minuki's dad
Erm, if that's Minuki father, that'd mean she's the daughter of Urafushi? Because that most certainly is Urafushi.

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Naila wrote:
Maya:
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Those Big Edo Warrior tapes Naruhodo piled in his hospital room are sent by someone "who like them very much". My bet is on Maya. But Naruhodo did not say who it is.



Okay, I think I missed something.
Spoiler:
Why is he in a hospital room, exactly?
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