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Her likelihood of showing up is about the same as old Edgey's. It's not too plausible, but some of us retain hope, 'cause with Capcom, you never know. JUST KEEP SWIMMING.
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Trucy just can't replace her, no matter how they try :(
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Maya's my favoruite character of all time, there's rarely a time when she fails to raise at least a smile for me.
But I wouldn't want to see her there just for the sake of it. Maybe a case set in Kurain Village again, Maya as the Master and Pearl with her. Would be nice and would fit in smoothly.
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I wouldn't have minded Maya and Pearls's absence so much if they had given us a reason. Even a hand wave would've been something ("they're off doing medium training in a remote location and will be impossible to contact for a while" would have worked). It would at least explain why they never showed up in the Mason System.
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Honestly, I think Maya is great, but she could get on my nerves at time. I prefer Trucy.
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And I don't believe for even a second that Maya/Pearl/Edgeworth wouldn't come even just try to BE there for Phoenix in MASON. It's just really dropping the ball.
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1-2, her crying while listening to Mia's voice message is right there more of a range of emotion than Trucy ever displays. Plus, in 1-4, her whole 'feeling useless' which leads to her HOLD IT! to Lotta's testimony (which, unlike a certain Mr. Hat trick, actually has consequences >_> that she knows and accepts) and her grabbing the bullet from Von Karma.
Trucy... we never get any hint of depth beyond "cute, perky, borderline perfect, everybody loves her, and she has some great one-liners." The only time is when Phoenix SAYS she feels it, and "show, not tell" is like Writing 101 >_>
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Lord Seth wrote:
I wouldn't have minded Maya and Pearls's absence so much if they had given us a reason. Even a hand wave would've been something ("they're off doing medium training in a remote location and will be impossible to contact for a while" would have worked). It would at least explain why they never showed up in the Mason System.
I have to agree with Lord Seth here. While they could be thinking that they simply did not need to show it on-screen and just assume it was done somewhere offscreen, that just feels a little flat to older fans especially considering they actually had the time to include cameos for Oldbag.
Couldn't we at least have been given a nugget of information on what happened to them?
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Maya displays WAY more development in AA1 than Trucy does in AJ.
1-2, her crying while listening to Mia's voice message is right there more of a range of emotion than Trucy ever displays. Plus, in 1-4, her whole 'feeling useless' which leads to her HOLD IT! to Lotta's testimony (which, unlike a certain Mr. Hat trick, actually has consequences >_> that she knows and accepts) and her grabbing the bullet from Von Karma.
Trucy... we never get any hint of depth beyond "cute, perky, borderline perfect, everybody loves her, and she has some great one-liners." The only time is when Phoenix SAYS she feels it, and "show, not tell" is like Writing 101 >_>
1-2, her crying while listening to Mia's voice message is right there more of a range of emotion than Trucy ever displays. Plus, in 1-4, her whole 'feeling useless' which leads to her HOLD IT! to Lotta's testimony (which, unlike a certain Mr. Hat trick, actually has consequences >_> that she knows and accepts) and her grabbing the bullet from Von Karma.
Trucy... we never get any hint of depth beyond "cute, perky, borderline perfect, everybody loves her, and she has some great one-liners." The only time is when Phoenix SAYS she feels it, and "show, not tell" is like Writing 101 >_>
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Trucy on the otherhand. I do like her, is just I find Maya inreplacable, even when I replay PW1/2/3 she still makes me laugh and it something Trucy doesn't seem to have at the moment. But like you said, Maya has had 3 games Trucy has one.
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But if you're going to judge Trucy solely by what we see in the game, shouldn't we judge Maya by the same standard (based around the first game's development of her character alone to be fair)?
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Trucy on the otherhand. I do like her, is just I find Maya inreplacable, even when I replay PW1/2/3 she still makes me laugh and it something Trucy doesn't seem to have at the moment. But like you said, Maya has had 3 games Trucy has one.
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But if you're going to judge Trucy solely by what we see in the game, shouldn't we judge Maya by the same standard (based around the first game's development of her character alone to be fair)?
Ah. You're correct. I do apologize, It was a little bit early in the morning for me to take that post fully in.
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I never really meant it literally like that XD; And thinking about it, I'd have to replay again to see what you mean, although it wasn't that long ago since I have.
Mm. You could be correct on that point, like I said I need to play it again seems a bit vauge now.
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Maya, like Trucy, is in the end surprisingly mature and resilient--don't confuse whimsical and having childish tasts with immaturity. This is more evident in the second and third game when she's got Pearl to watch out for, but to be fair to Trucy, we're only talking about AJ.
Maya comes to terms with Mia's death (only not completely since we see her reaction to Mia-as-Pearl in the end of 2-2 but RIGHT only PW1 XD;) and learns to trust Nick after they've both been through a trial by fire together. They've caught her killer--who also ruined their mother--they've finished that last work of hers, and Nick has proven himself. She was wary of him at first, but *DUN DUN DUN* their relationship developed and she found out she could trust him over the course of the trial.
As opposed to Trucy, who's sad all of twenty seconds before brightening up and returning to her Mr. Hat-popping, cheerful self.
And personally, Trucy annoyed me from the get-go FAR more than Maya ever did. Her relationship with Apollo felt really forced and awkward in 4-2.
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At this point I do prefer Trucy over Maya. Maybe its just the fact that after 3 games Maya started to get on my nerves...
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I agree.. although honestly, I wanted to smack Maya from beginning to end. She was one of those characters that actually kept me from finishing up the games faster (every time she got into trouble, I would groan and rough it out). 3-5 took me far longer than usual, out of all the game cases, sheerly for lack of willingness to play the case.
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...Well, that last part isn't entirely true, I guess.
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But that's getting off-topic.I still have to play through the last two cases of AJ again to see if I missed something, but I got the impression Maya was like a real person in my first playthrough of PW1.
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...again, if you're going to be fair, only AJ to AA1. Hell, I don't think the "Maya's in trouble" got old until 3-5; it was part of what made 2-4 amazing. And in 1-2 it wasn't bad at all. Besides, they've got two games to kidnap/accuse Trucy of murder, and since they're determined to all but copy the Phoenix/Maya dynamic anyway >_>
And yeah, Franzise... it just felt forced and awkward. It got better in the later part of the case, but it really irritated me at first.
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I just can't imagine what purpose she could fill in the game that would further her characterization any. She's already had three games to grow, and has been through most horrible situations that a lawyer game can throw at you. It's not like anything that happens in Apollo's game could ever affect Maya more deeply or inspire more development in her than the death of her mother right before her eyes.
I would kind of hate to see her again if all we can hope to get is a slightly older version of Maya that's just there for the sake of being there. But if the only way to get her to show some depth of character we haven't seen before is to throw drama at her, I don't want to see that either because I'm sick of Maya being in trouble. So...I really have no idea what purpose she could fill in another Ace Attorney game other than fanservice.
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There's already a Maya vs Trucy topic somewhere around here, so I'm not sure it's necessary to hammer out those arguments again. But on the subject of Maya returning, I kind of hope she doesn't, especially if it's just used to placate the fans that miss her.
I just can't imagine what purpose she could fill in the game that would further her characterization any. She's already had three games to grow, and has been through most horrible situations that a lawyer game can throw at you. It's not like anything that happens in Apollo's game could ever affect Maya more deeply or inspire more development in her than the death of her mother right before her eyes.
I would kind of hate to see her again if all we can hope to get is a slightly older version of Maya that's just there for the sake of being there. But if the only way to get her to show some depth of character we haven't seen before is to throw drama at her, I don't want to see that either because I'm sick of Maya being in trouble. So...I really have no idea what purpose she could fill in another Ace Attorney game other than fanservice.
I just can't imagine what purpose she could fill in the game that would further her characterization any. She's already had three games to grow, and has been through most horrible situations that a lawyer game can throw at you. It's not like anything that happens in Apollo's game could ever affect Maya more deeply or inspire more development in her than the death of her mother right before her eyes.
I would kind of hate to see her again if all we can hope to get is a slightly older version of Maya that's just there for the sake of being there. But if the only way to get her to show some depth of character we haven't seen before is to throw drama at her, I don't want to see that either because I'm sick of Maya being in trouble. So...I really have no idea what purpose she could fill in another Ace Attorney game other than fanservice.
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Only I really never got that sense at all.
Maya, like Trucy, is in the end surprisingly mature and resilient--don't confuse whimsical and having childish tasts with immaturity. This is more evident in the second and third game when she's got Pearl to watch out for, but to be fair to Trucy, we're only talking about AJ.
Maya, like Trucy, is in the end surprisingly mature and resilient--don't confuse whimsical and having childish tasts with immaturity. This is more evident in the second and third game when she's got Pearl to watch out for, but to be fair to Trucy, we're only talking about AJ.
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Maya comes to terms with Mia's death (only not completely since we see her reaction to Mia-as-Pearl in the end of 2-2 but RIGHT only PW1 XD;) and learns to trust Nick after they've both been through a trial by fire together. They've caught her killer--who also ruined their mother--they've finished that last work of hers, and Nick has proven himself. She was wary of him at first, but *DUN DUN DUN* their relationship developed and she found out she could trust him over the course of the trial.
As opposed to Trucy, who's sad all of twenty seconds before brightening up and returning to her Mr. Hat-popping, cheerful self.
And personally, Trucy annoyed me from the get-go FAR more than Maya ever did. Her relationship with Apollo felt really forced and awkward in 4-2.
As opposed to Trucy, who's sad all of twenty seconds before brightening up and returning to her Mr. Hat-popping, cheerful self.
And personally, Trucy annoyed me from the get-go FAR more than Maya ever did. Her relationship with Apollo felt really forced and awkward in 4-2.
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As far as Trucy spending seven years getting over losing her father, I remember Phoenix's flashback going something like:
My daddy's gone... *sniff*
Hey, cheer up! I'll take care of you! Okay, cool! You're my new daddy now!I wouldn't exactly call that a long period of mourning.
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Croik wrote:
So...I really have no idea what purpose she could fill in another Ace Attorney game other than fanservice.
She meets Apollo, sees him as a loser Nick wannabe, hates Apollo instantly and treats him like crap. Apollo has to prove he's a worthy successor to Phoenix whilst trying to work out why this bizarre woman with an obsession over children's television programming hates him so much. It turns out to be a massive plot twist no-one expects - the fact that Maya being Master gives her direct govermental connections should have a lot to do with it somewhere.
Maya's very, very flexible as a character - she's well-known for making snap judgements on people and sticking to them like glue and as Ema has shown, just because a character reveres Phoenix doesn't mean that they'll treat Apollo the same way, although revealing they're connected does seem to give Apollo some limited latitude. It'd be nice to see what happens when Apollo reveals he's connected to Phoenix and this counts for nothing whatsoever for a change.
Also, Maya should adore Trucy and treat her like a niece, purely because it makes her dislike of Apollo even funnier and somewhat ironic.
It's too soon to compare Maya and Trucy, so I'm not going to bother going into detail on that one yet. There's far more to Trucy than meets the eye, which is also true of Maya. Time will tell on this one.
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Maya's sister is killed, and we see how this affects her for an entire case before their mutual trial brings her and Phoenix closer together, and he becomes her new surrogate family by their circumstances.
Trucy's father vanishes and abandons her, and we see how this affects her for... 20 seconds before she's back to being bright and perky and cute and suddenly accepting Phoenix as her new Daddy. And frankly, I never got the sense that you mention of her reaction to her father. Sure, we don't see every moment of the seven years after that, she could be feeling sad, just like we don't see every moment between 1-2, 1-3, and 1-4 where Maya could very well be feeling the same. But once again this brings us back to "show, not tell." The only time we ever get a hint of "she's actually not always happy" is when Phoenix exposits it directly to the player, and there it just comes across as a cheap ploy (or at least it did to me).
Like the whole "Shadi was Zak" thing. Presumably, Phoenix told her about it, or else he's a worse father than I thought. It would have been nice to see a reaction to that when he came up during 4-4, though--at least SOME development beyond simply expositing it.
Maya simply comes off as more of a developed character in the first game, even aside from her reaction to Mia's loss (which can be directly compared to Trucy's reaction to her father's loss). She has 1-4 which leads to some of her greatest moments, which is character depth/development that Trucy (and hell, Klavier and Apollo too) sorely lack.
But anyway, Croik has a point, this topic isn't for that. I actually agree with Croik completely--I don't want to see Maya appear just for cameo's sake, especially now that the games and the story should be actually moving on to APOLLO as the main character rather than Phoenix. Maya and Edgeworth should have unquestionably appeared in the game due to Phoenix's presence particularly when dealing with Seven Years Ago, and his story should have ended.
Since the games should hopefully be moving on to Apollo by this point, Maya and Edgeworth and Pearl shouldn't be in it. It's a shame they missed the opportunity when they had it. :/
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Based on only the first games of both arcs, I found Trucy to be a more well developed and believable character than Maya (no slight to Maya intended here). I agree with the consensus that we are now completely off-topic now though, so we'll agree to disagree on this topic as we have so many others. :)
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Sure, you can like Trucy better, she's cute with some great lines. But I don't see how anybody can say she develops more than Maya does in their respective first games, because... frankly, they don't.
Maya:
1-2: Doesn't trust Phoenix at first, broken up over her sister's death. By the end, their common trial and ties to Mia bring them together, she comes to trust him and he becomes her surrogate family.
1-3: Filler case, but we learn about Maya's love for the Steel Samurai (not all that important and hardly 'development,' just saying) and sets up her being unable to call Mia when Nick needs her to, so she starts to feel useless.
1-4: Her feelings of helplessness/uselessness and being unable to do anything to help save Edgeworth lead to her HOLD IT! to Lotta's testimony when Phoenix can't do anything because he'll be held in contempt of court. She does this willingly, knowing that SHE'LL be the one charged with contempt of court. Similarly, when she later nabs the crucial bullet from Von Karma in the encounter at the police station.
Trucy:
4-2: Cheerful, becomes friendly (a bit too friendly IMO but that's up to everyone's own opinion) with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, thinks Klavier is hot.
4-3: Cheerful, friendly with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, thinks Klavier is hot.
4-4: Cheerful, friendly with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, probably still thinks Klavier is hot.
Flashback: Cheerful, immediately accepts Phoenix as her surrogate father after barely 20 seconds of being upset over Zak's disappearance. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, hasn't met Klavier yet.
Trucy doesn't develop :/
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duuude... That IS ironic. You have a magic bracelet to find out this sort of stuff ?
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
But... Trucy *doesn't* develop. She's exactly the same at the end of the game as she was at the beginning, she's exactly the same at the beginning of the game as she was seven years before. Trucy stays the same through the entire game. Maya does not. (And why is it not okay for Maya to mourn for a case before being able to master her emotions and then ostensibly keep them to herself but perfectly fine for Trucy to be upset for all of 20 seconds before doing the same? It's the -exact same situation- with the two. Seriously. >_>)
Sure, you can like Trucy better, she's cute with some great lines. But I don't see how anybody can say she develops more than Maya does in their respective first games, because... frankly, they don't.
Maya:
1-2: Doesn't trust Phoenix at first, broken up over her sister's death. By the end, their common trial and ties to Mia bring them together, she comes to trust him and he becomes her surrogate family.
1-3: Filler case, but we learn about Maya's love for the Steel Samurai (not all that important and hardly 'development,' just saying) and sets up her being unable to call Mia when Nick needs her to, so she starts to feel useless.
1-4: Her feelings of helplessness/uselessness and being unable to do anything to help save Edgeworth lead to her HOLD IT! to Lotta's testimony when Phoenix can't do anything because he'll be held in contempt of court. She does this willingly, knowing that SHE'LL be the one charged with contempt of court. Similarly, when she later nabs the crucial bullet from Von Karma in the encounter at the police station.
Sure, you can like Trucy better, she's cute with some great lines. But I don't see how anybody can say she develops more than Maya does in their respective first games, because... frankly, they don't.
Maya:
1-2: Doesn't trust Phoenix at first, broken up over her sister's death. By the end, their common trial and ties to Mia bring them together, she comes to trust him and he becomes her surrogate family.
1-3: Filler case, but we learn about Maya's love for the Steel Samurai (not all that important and hardly 'development,' just saying) and sets up her being unable to call Mia when Nick needs her to, so she starts to feel useless.
1-4: Her feelings of helplessness/uselessness and being unable to do anything to help save Edgeworth lead to her HOLD IT! to Lotta's testimony when Phoenix can't do anything because he'll be held in contempt of court. She does this willingly, knowing that SHE'LL be the one charged with contempt of court. Similarly, when she later nabs the crucial bullet from Von Karma in the encounter at the police station.
In the second case, there is clearly a lot of emotion to Maya's character, but I wouldn't say that she doesn't trust Phoenix. She is following her sister's advise, which in the situation is understandable. Once all that is out of the way, she accepts Phoenix's help immediately because of his passion and the fact that he wants to help her, but that is a rather quick change for someone who doesn't trust him at all as you're indicating. If she truly didn't trust him, then why bother with him at all. She would have been assigned a public defender (who for all she knows is more qualified then an attorney with only one win), but she quickly agrees to accept his help. There is no development in 1-3. She acts like a child throughout it (including arguing with Cody over the Steel Samurai episodes) and not once ever shows a shred of emotion for her sister who died only a couple months before. The only emotion she shows at all in reference to that earlier case is mild annoyance at Gumshoe for his bad investigation skills, but there isn't a single thing that indicates that she feels anything else. In 1-4, this feeling of helplessness come in, but that isn't development. It's a new addition. Even in 1-2, Maya never references a feeling of helplessness or uselessness. She's sad about feeling abandoned, but never does she talk about feeling useless like she does in 1-4. Nor does she do so in 1-3. It's not the further development of her character and its a rather random addition since we don't even see it hinted at before. Not only do we not see this trait in her earlier, but her reason for feeling this way is never explained except in terms of that particular case. There's nothing like I couldn't do this and this happened or I've always been useless and here are some examples. This insecurity of her's seems to come out of nowhere. People usually have a deeper reason for their insecurities, but Maya is never given one. The trait is just pushed onto her character in a rather awkward way. In fact, Maya's past or anything about her is never delved into in the first game and we see her recover from things like her sister's death faster than she should.
I wouldn't say that Maya had grown over the course of the game at all. We came to know her better, but everything we found out about her was rather superficial and was played on in the next two games which can't be used in this discussion. She then leaves to grow up, but where did this development occur in the first game (and I would argue that it doesn't happen much in JFA either, but that isn't a topic for here)? The answer is that she doesn't "grow up" in the first game. That is something left for the later games.
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Trucy:
4-2: Cheerful, becomes friendly (a bit too friendly IMO but that's up to everyone's own opinion) with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, thinks Klavier is hot.
4-3: Cheerful, friendly with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, thinks Klavier is hot.
4-4: Cheerful, friendly with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, probably still thinks Klavier is hot.
Flashback: Cheerful, immediately accepts Phoenix as her surrogate father after barely 20 seconds of being upset over Zak's disappearance. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, hasn't met Klavier yet.
Trucy doesn't develop :/
(Also, I looked, and I couldn't find a thread suited for this >_>)
4-2: Cheerful, becomes friendly (a bit too friendly IMO but that's up to everyone's own opinion) with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, thinks Klavier is hot.
4-3: Cheerful, friendly with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, thinks Klavier is hot.
4-4: Cheerful, friendly with Apollo. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, probably still thinks Klavier is hot.
Flashback: Cheerful, immediately accepts Phoenix as her surrogate father after barely 20 seconds of being upset over Zak's disappearance. Talks about her magic, has cute and silly one-liners, hasn't met Klavier yet.
Trucy doesn't develop :/
(Also, I looked, and I couldn't find a thread suited for this >_>)
Spoiler: whole game
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