Which do you like better? Percieve or Psyche locks?

Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:11 am

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For me its Psysce locks, IMO mystical trumps scientific stuff. The Matrix was better than its sequels and Star Wars Ep. 4 A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were better than its prequels. Also, it's kind silly that you catch the final villain because he twitched his hand... Damn it Polly, it's a legal battle not a staring contest! :hobohodo:

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:32 am

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Each had their own charm. =)

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:42 am

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Psychelocks wins over perceive system any time. I really don't think that criminals would actually break down and confess when you point out that they have a nervous tic. Seriously. And it gives Apollo so much advantage in court that the game is ridiculously easy compared to the others - you can't use the magatama in court and so you HAVE to have evidence, which is the best part of the game. The Perceive System makes it so much less fun.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:21 am

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I rather like both. I actually found the Perceive System more difficult to use because you need to find the nervous tic which can take some time and then you need to present the piece of evidence that reveals what the lie is. Both are interesting and fun in their own way.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:34 am

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Both are great in their own ways.

Psyche Locks involve actual effort learning information little by little, causing the person to finally break.

Perceive System, in a sense, comes off as more realistic as in truth nervous habits can really do reveal some things.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:36 am

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The percieve system is too linear. They should let you attempt to percieve things that are wrong, just like you can present wrong evidence with the psyche locks.

Psycholocks get my vote.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:37 am

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Psyche-Lock, hands down, mainly because it's more involved. Comparing a 1 or 2 lock Psyche-Lock to a Percieve System, it's more difficult to choose, but Percieve System is no match for a 5-lock Psyche-Lock.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:39 am

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Awfully psyche locks above anything, i mean, the greatest moment :
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:50 am

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Watatata~! wrote:

Perceive System, in a sense, comes off as more realistic as in truth nervous habits can really do reveal some things.

The huge problem I have with that is that it doesn't actually prove anything. The person has a nervous tic... so what? Everyone has one of those. It doesn't mean that they are lying. It can just mean that they are nervous about having to testify, or distracted, or something else entirely. And most people are aware of their nervous tics (I know all five of mine), so if you point out it out to them, they won't immediately break down and confess. That's just unrealistic, to be honest.

The Perceive System is more of a supplementary than something that should really be used in court. In court, the evidence should rule all. Not a bracelet and nervous tics. Which is the big problem I have with it, to be honest.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:01 am

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I agree with ya, but the thing doesn't work alone. You still have to put evidence. And it's funny to tell witness lies. But I feel like in investigation you could have more freedom to search, and that's why i accepted the psyche locks. Badly the ones in T&T were too few, so I can't really enjoy them.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:08 am

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dreamwhisperer wrote:

The huge problem I have with that is that it doesn't actually prove anything. The person has a nervous tic... so what? Everyone has one of those. It doesn't mean that they are lying. It can just mean that they are nervous about having to testify, or distracted, or something else entirely. And most people are aware of their nervous tics (I know all five of mine), so if you point out it out to them, they won't immediately break down and confess. That's just unrealistic, to be honest.

The Perceive System is more of a supplementary than something that should really be used in court. In court, the evidence should rule all. Not a bracelet and nervous tics. Which is the big problem I have with it, to be honest.

But you did have to present evidence before the person would break. You point out the tic and they ask for proof, then you present the evidence that reveals their lie. The Perceive System only tells you that they lied, sort of like when the Psyche-Locks appear. Then you have to break the person.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:05 am

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Psysce locks FTW.... who wouldent wanna unlock people secrets billy did you take my lunch
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:09 am

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I, personally, found the precieve thing too easy. Who agrees?

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:24 am

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tox_2_much wrote:

I, personally, found the precieve thing too easy. Who agrees?

I was a bit of a disaster at them. :payne:

Not really, but certain ones slayed me.

Spoiler:

I liked the Perceive System because it was fun. It was just a new topic, and really enjoyable for me.

But as for in general, I found Psyche Locks more plot contributing and challenging, they win for productivity; Perceive System works for my general amusement.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:28 am

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I liked it, but it was too easy.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:33 am

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I want both of them combined in some sort of way, like

Spoiler: Perceive

So why not Magatamas? They use evidence not just find some weird habit but the thing is, you can't use it in court... :edgeworth:

So since teh perceive system is usually in court, combine it with a Magatama, FTW!

So yeah, I'd say both...

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:41 am

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i thought they were ok. but pyscho locks :edgy:

are definately better. it was nice to see something new. i found it somewhat easy, except for brushel.. the only time, regrettably, i had to cheat in the game was looking for brushel's tic. i didnt really like the way he told everyone "i see that you have a tic and i think it means something!" i dunno, i thought he would've worded it different so people didnt realize he was just looking for nervous habits.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:43 am

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Psycholocks!

Perceive System isn't nearly as challenging as Psyche Locks.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:43 am

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I don't know they both have there good points i mean psylock is good becasue its like doing a cross examnation outside of court and there always fun

Precieving is fun because it really makes you think but it is abit annoying if you go throught every statement and can't find it lol but just pick the most likly statement it is a good system and requires you to really look
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:38 pm

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Both. Each one was lacking something, but together, makes it better. HAH.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:38 pm

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I like both of them, though I probably would lean more toward Percieve over Psych-Lock. I just like shouting out Gotcha!, something different from the usual Hold it! Objection! and That That!

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:21 pm

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I prefer the percieve system, but both are great in there own way.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:44 pm

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I prefer Psyche locks... But I think that's because the idea of staring at someone so intensely you notice their sweaty armpits is just too much for my brain to take. I'll take my chances with shoving a glowing comma-shaped rock at someone any day.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:56 pm

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Psyche-Locks. I'm rubbish at perceiving. Plus, using the Perceive system is a bit too hallucinogenic.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:58 pm

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I like both, but I'm leaning towards Psyche-Locks. Your soul can't shatter from perception. :D

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:52 pm

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Come on, the psyche locks suck soo bad. They're just annoying... I would rather have longer trials than proving some of the points outside of court.

And the perceive-system pwns so bad. It's totally awesome.. though a little too easy. You guys say people wouldn't confess from it? Well these games make no sense anyway!

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:20 pm

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Lars Enaahl wrote:

And the perceive-system pwns so bad. It's totally awesome.. though a little too easy. You guys say people wouldn't confess from it? Well these games make no sense anyway!

Pwns so sucky, more like, m i rite? It's the most tedious crap ever in Phoenix Wright, other than the x-ray machine in 4-4 and the fingerprinting in 1-5. I don't understand how anyone can like it. Going through each sentence and looking randomly all over the place - REPEATEDLY - for the tics is not my idea of "fun."

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:22 pm

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Breaking Psyche Locks are easier than Percieving the actions.. While percieving; if you don't know when and where to look, you could search every place of a character for hours. But I still prefer Percieve System. I don't know why but I'm having fun with it.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:56 pm

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Both had their charm and uses, I found Perceiving to be more fun, kind of like a one-shot chance at the witness to find the truth.

While they were hard to spot sometimes, it was fun looking for them, and fun guessing what their tic was to be (I thought Brushel would start sweating, but not at his damn armpit).

psycho-locks (I love how Misham kept calling them that, and Edgeworth in 3-5, too) were and can be just as annoying as Perceiving was, as getting all the way to the last lock, finding that you didn't have that one final piece of evidence, stopping, searching all over the damn place, and repeating the Psyche-Lock happened a bit too often for my liking.

A mixture of both would be preferable, though I am perfectly happy if they are not included in AJ:AA2

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:39 pm

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I like both systems actually. Pysche (or Pyscho?)-Locks actually make sense in how they break the victim down. Also, you have to admit the design for them are cool. And it's easy to know when someone's lying/hiding something and then make them spill the beans.

But the Percieve system has its charms too. When using it, you don't know where to search for the habit or when it'll appear. Makes it a bit of a challenge. Besides, it's fun reading/making comics where Polly freaks out the witness by staring at him. :karma:

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:47 pm

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I personally prefer the Psyche locks. They made a little more sense because you had to actually work at getting the person to confess their secrets. They couldn't hide the truth anymore because you exposed them.

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The perceive system does seem slightly more realistic, arguably because like the game implies, being on the witness stand is stressful. And especially if you're a killer, you'll crack under this complicated technique of 'lie detection' we know as perception in this game. When I'm nervous, or I try to hide someone, I have the habit of touching my face or brushing back my hair with my left hand. (I'm a girl.) Everyone has something. It's been said, though that you can spend hours looking and to no avail. :sadshoe:

I also thought the perception music was annoying - and I happen to enjoy the Psyche lock music because of that 'mystical' feel it has. :maya:

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Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:31 pm

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Both systems have interesting implications, but I kind of like the Psyche-locks system a bit better because it seems more productive.

Perceive is just a way to describe Apollo's exceptional perceptive abilities, while the Psyche-locks are a visual representation of a person's attempt to conceal a secret. The Bracelet seems to function as a focusing aid, while the Magatama seems to work as a secret-detector, helping Phoenix's intuition and questioning with a visual aid (he questions people the same way in the first game, but doesn't have a physical indicator to show him his progress. Also, some evidence can break all the locks in one go). The locks seem to always crop up when the person gives some indication in real life that they're hiding something - I like to think it's Phoenix's own intuition being assisted by the focus. They're fancy ways of assisting natural (preternatural?) abilities.

Still, Psyche-locks seem more interesting, as I feel that actively questioning and deciphering a witness' secret is more productive than noticing a tell and making an assumption based on it (although it does illustrate the difference between Phoenix and Apollo.

Perceive, however, has some interesting potential, particularly in some of the cool ways it could be used (outside the courtroom in investigations, for example, to study objects more carefully). Psyche-locks have a similar potential (having them able to work in the courtroom to show the character if the person is hiding something), although unless Apollo gets the ability or if Phoenix has some playing time in the next game, it won't matter.

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:02 am

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Gyakuten Phoenix wrote:

The percieve system is too linear. They should let you attempt to percieve things that are wrong, just like you can present wrong evidence with the psyche locks.

I like perceiving better, but I agree with this, at least make some penalty occur for getting it wrong, and always have it available, since the only time it was available was when you had to use it.

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:07 am

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Psyche locks, def.

GS4 was a whole was awesome, but eh, the perceive system.. not so much. Didn't enjoy having to cue into these habits that occur at the specific parts of a phrase or sentence. I liked the idea of unlocking, breaking through these locks on their secrets better.

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:08 am

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RCizzle wrote:

Gyakuten Phoenix wrote:

The percieve system is too linear. They should let you attempt to percieve things that are wrong, just like you can present wrong evidence with the psyche locks.

I like perceiving better, but I agree with this, at least make some penalty occur for getting it wrong, and always have it available, since the only time it was available was when you had to use it.

They should add false animations that happen all throughout the entire cross-examination, just to throw you off, and then a different animation for when you need to percieve. But not in the same area.

E.G. Each time you use the bracelet, you see them tapping their finger on the stand, but one time, where you need to percieve them, they start shifting their eyes.

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:17 pm

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Honestly..? Percieve.

I wrote a long post about how percieve was more realistic and psyche locks always tripped my gameplay up for some reason (and on the most obvious ones), but my internet crashed while I was trying to post it, so all you get to know is what I like, and that's that.

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:55 pm

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(ho crud revival thread)

I am just starting the fourth case of AJ, but all I can say is that I like Percieve and Psyche locks equally. Locks were a pain in the rear at times though, since you needed a lot/if not all the evidence up to that point

Spoiler: JFA

with the percieve, I dunno, maybe I was just good at it, but I looked through all the testimony of a witness and then started scanning the fishy parts. the fact that not all witnesses do the same "nervous red flag" threw me off though

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Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:08 pm

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Psyche-Locks, totally. So much more satisfying than just finding a nervous reaction, which got rather tedious anyways. You weren't solving anything with the Perceive system -- you were just looking for something. =\ No thinking involved, and I don't see how even pointing the habit out made it so that the witness felt like they had no choice but to spill the beans. Why couldn't they just dismiss it with a simple excuse? -___-; The whole game was all about having 'solid proof', yet pointing out little reactions has been like the least solid method of proving anything yet.