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But his animtion isn't as good as Phoenix though , he reacts way tooo .... weird , Phoenix is better
Anyway , stil love him 
Hopes that GS5 add more funtion beside the bracelet , although I would really like Phoenix to be his investigation partner along with Trucy but I guess
is just too lazy to do the walking lol
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NinjAngel wrote:
On a slightly random note, I find Apollo to be rather...eh...shippable. Not sure why exactly, but I do.
what, like he can be paired with everyone? Thats what i've always seen Phoenix like, too. Its so difficult to decide on a pairing in this fandom for me. XD APOLLO / EVERYONE FTW
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/ 
best 
anyway , can anyone tell me where to find all the pics of Apollo ? I only find a few of them
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Then his entire contradiction doesn't even break PAYNE into a sweat. PAYNE!!! The entire first case I felt like I was being guided along by Phoenix, and it really didn't even feel like a personal victory...I felt like I was the last person in the courtroom to figure out the mystery, and when you're supposed to be playing Sherlocke Holmes, that's NOT good for the player psyche!
Then there's the whole "perceive" thing. I think it would have been the real cornerstone "I can see right through you" feel to Apollo...if only he didn't make a huge deal over the tiny thing, and then spell it out to the victim, down to the name of the tendon they stretch when talking. Example:
"You have a habit of tensing up your hand when you're unsure of yourself. Tell me..."
vs
"Witness, do not lie to me. You seem very unsure of yourself. Tell me..."
The majority of my problems are with Phoenix sticking around though. Maybe if he just steps aside a while for GS5 to let Apollo develop himself a bit more, he could show some independence. (Hey, it worked with Mia dying.)
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The majority of my problems are with Phoenix sticking around though. Maybe if he just steps aside a while for GS5 to let Apollo develop himself a bit more, he could show some independence. (Hey, it worked with Mia dying.)
It's not just Phoenix whose at fault. Trucy and Klavier have been a little bit too helpful, it's almost if the creators thought that players were going to have hard time so they added a whole slew of help and hints. Although I do agree. I actually hope GS5 to be... JFA'ish, where Apollo finds out what it 'means' to be an attorney.
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Super Judge Bro. wrote:
Trucy and Klavier have been a little bit too helpful, it's almost if the creators thought that players were going to have hard time so they added a whole slew of help and hints.
Spot-on. The thing I hated most was when Trucy says she won't tell you the secret to Valant's magic trick. COME ON! She's doing this lawyer stuff better than I can! As Apollo put so perfectly..."Can't I be cool for once?" Also, I thought it was a bit fast to allow Klavier to support the defense in the last case. If ANYONE, he would want the truth hidden in the case of his brother. I could imagine him wanting the truth from a band member he's rivals with, or a punk-inside girl, but...turning against his brother was sort of a way of making the case a bit too easy. In 1-3, it was a legitimate character change. In 2-4, things are just way too f***ed up for Edgeworth's change of heart to actually help you out at all. 4-4, it was unwarranted.
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Katana wrote:
Super Judge Bro. wrote:
Trucy and Klavier have been a little bit too helpful, it's almost if the creators thought that players were going to have hard time so they added a whole slew of help and hints.
Spot-on. The thing I hated most was when Trucy says she won't tell you the secret to Valant's magic trick. COME ON! She's doing this lawyer stuff better than I can! As Apollo put so perfectly..."Can't I be cool for once?" Also, I thought it was a bit fast to allow Klavier to support the defense in the last case. If ANYONE, he would want the truth hidden in the case of his brother. I could imagine him wanting the truth from a band member he's rivals with, or a punk-inside girl, but...turning against his brother was sort of a way of making the case a bit too easy. In 1-3, it was a legitimate character change. In 2-4, things are just way too f***ed up for Edgeworth's change of heart to actually help you out at all. 4-4, it was unwarranted.
Off topic but,
1. It's the Magician's code.
2. Trucy is Phoenix daughter, there's a reason why she's quite cunning.
3. Maybe you shouldn't say anything bad about those characters. Sure thisi s the Apollo thread.. but...
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IT's true that Trucy and Klavier help too muchc but hey he 's different from Phoenix
YOu can't expect him to be more than when Phoenix 's just started his job 
If Gs5 is more like JFA , then I think it would be so repeated , maybe about finding about Lamiroir's truth first then onto the attorney thing ?
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NinjAngel wrote:
On a slightly random note, I find Apollo to be rather...eh...shippable. Not sure why exactly, but I do.
It's funny, because I actually see him as one of the least shippable characters in the series. I just can't see him in a majority of the pairings that people like to support. Unlike P/E (or P/M, or P/I, or... honestly any of the main Phoenix ships), I honestly don't see any basis in the games for Apollo/Klavier... or Kristoph... or Phoenix... or Ema.... The only ship my brain seems willing to entertain right now is Polly/Vera, and even then I have a hard time seeing it getting very far or lasting very long (mostly because I think Vera's too deep inside her own shell at this point to develop a meaning relationship with anyone, let alone Mr. Firey Passion Burning Red). I think the Polly in my head is damned to be lonely forever.
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huh ? WEll now that I think about it , Klavier/Apollo don't fit at all On Kihiko Kaihatsy there's some comic about Apollo too but sadly I can't really read it
Guess that's what inspired me aobut the pair /
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I mean, even if there was someone who aligned up pretty well with Apollo's personality, he himself doesn't seem the type that would really be engaged in any realistic relationship, for the moment, at least. I honestly can't see him with a girl, though, since he hasn't really done anything by himself and possesses qualities that may characterize him as a beta male, but at the same time he isn't exactly in need of any emotional support from another character, be it male or female.
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I, honestly, can't see him with anyone either. I just think it would look...appealing? I guess that's the word. The emotional aspect behind any pairing seemed to work better in the first three games.
As for
/ , I think it could be cute, but it's more of a "family" thing for me.I'm suddenly reminded of a fanfic I read about how Apollo had never kissed someone yet, and Phoenix offers to help him practice. *gigglesnort*
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As for the difference between the first cases, the killer in 1-1 is a lowlife, none-too-bright burglar. The villain of 4-1 is a psychotic master criminal. It's hardly surprising Apollo needed more help than Nick.
Really, our two heroes are about equal in skill, I think.
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I don't understand why everyone thinks Polly needs much more help than Nick. I mean, in 1-2, Phoenix needs Mia's explicit advice to get him to look at the other side of a receit he's had since the beginning of the case. And when that fails, she gives him that mysterious Deus Ex Machina bit of paper to secure instant victory. In 4-2, what help does Apollo get? A tip from Trucy that he probably would've figured out soon anyway on Day 1, and some very vague 'think carefully about all you've learned' advice from Klavier on day 2. In 1-3, when the killer is about to leave the stand scot-free, Phoenix needs Edgeworth to object for him. In 3-3 when the killer is about to leave the stand scot-free, Apollo sorts it all out himself. And in 1-4 and 4-4, Phoenix and Apollo respectively work out how the crime actually occured for themselves, more or less. The only case where Phoenix needed hardly any prodding at all was 1-5, and that doesn't count because that was an add-on.
As for the difference between the first cases, the killer in 1-1 is a lowlife, none-too-bright burglar. The villain of 4-1 is a psychotic master criminal. It's hardly surprising Apollo needed more help than Nick.
Really, our two heroes are about equal in skill, I think.
As for the difference between the first cases, the killer in 1-1 is a lowlife, none-too-bright burglar. The villain of 4-1 is a psychotic master criminal. It's hardly surprising Apollo needed more help than Nick.
Really, our two heroes are about equal in skill, I think.
I have to agree with you there, then. I guess everyone was just used to T&T, and phoenix was much more experienced/confident by then. Apollo was alot more nervous on his first case/whenever than phoenix was, so i guess its just his lack of confidence that makes him seem like he NEEDS more help, so when he gets it it just looks like someone else is doing the work?
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I think that people may feel that Apollo is more clueless because he makes a bigger deal about it. He often comments on how he wishes that he'd thought of that or how he wants to be able to do things on his own (Examples- At one point in the third case, he sort of mentally growls at one of Klavier's comments and thinks something along the lines of "Why can't I figure this stuff out for myself? I hate having to take my cues from this guy." You get a similar thought with Trucy in the second case, but with a lot less anger. It's something like "The apple didn't fall far from the tree. She's turned this case on it's head while I was still figuring it out!"). So whether or not he actually needs more help then Phoenix, it comes to sound like he does because we hear a lot more about how he doesn't understand things. With Apollo, they really seem to be playing on the whole rookie thing which hopefully will lead to a greater feeling of success when we finally reach the ace attorney point. It could just be me, but I never really felt like I earned that status with Phoenix. You sort of got there by the end of the first game and there wasn't that much a change in his demeanor through the rest of the series (perhaps he was a bit more confident by the end though). That is absolutely not an insult to Phoenix as I love him (and I am absurdly attached to him considering he's a bunch of pixels on my DS's screen), but I often felt his development was a bit rushed at times so I don't mind them taking things slowly. Slowly developed and well-thought out characters often end up being more realistic and relatable then characters done under the alternative method. We'll see what happens though. :)
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Slowly developed and well-thought out characters often end up being more realistic and relatable then characters done under the alternative method.
I agree. You can pretty much chart Apollo's improvement in the game - on the first day of 4-2, he has close to no idea what he's doing (which is understandable, considering that hasn't had a proper conversation with his client yet, not to mention that the evidence is pretty damning). On the second day he's a lot better, but still needs a bit of prodding. On the first day of 4-3, he's really good, but still manages to accidentally incriminate his own client at one point. By the second day of 4-3, he's pretty much got everything under control, and is able to make his points with force and eloquence, something which continues into 4-4. I like that he has such a clear progression in his skills, and he certainly seems ready to take up Phoenix's mantle by the end of the game.
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I've been replaying the games lately, and I have to agree with the idea of Apollo being a character that is just developed more slowly. Phoenix gets up there pretty freaking quick.
There's also the fact that Apollo really hasn't gotten a "landmark" case yet (kind of like 2-4, I suppose, where Phoenix had to make a huge decision). I'm hoping that a case like that will really devlop Apollo's strengths.
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Now that I think about it, it's quite interesting that Polly was so willing to defend a gangster in the second case. On the one hand, it seems a bit odd, especially since he says later 'I'm not the kind of lawyer who can overlook a crime', But then again, it also shows a sort of lack of prejudice in him, that he thinks that just because Wocky is the heir to a family of killers, that doesn't make him a killer.
What does everyone think about this?
What does everyone think about this?
I don't mean to say Polly is a bad boy, but I always doubt what does "justice" mean to him. Despite telling " Here comes the Justice!" over and over, he never knows the true meaning of justice. He trusted in Phoenix just because Phoenix was his idol, and later we could see the boy had some very wrong idea about hobohodo. He took Wocky's case without talking with his client before that, even before Alita could tell him anything about the case, because he had been starving and homeless for half a month. It's understandable, but not what we call "justice". Compared to him, Phoenix had his reason of believing in his clients in most of time, the only exception was Edgeworth case.
I guess Polly just did what he thought was right, and some of his ideas could be affected by Kristoph...maybe we will see his own 2-4 case in GS5.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Personally as much as I like the first PW game, the first three cases were pretty easy for me. The first one is very simply laid out with you using every piece of evidence once, the second case Mia tells you how to win (and it was also very simply composed), and in the third Edgeworth basically hands you the victory at the end (slightly more difficult then the first two as far as the rest of the case goes, but still pretty straightforward as far as I could see). The fourth and fifth cases were the only ones I found truly difficult and the fifth really doesn't count as a part of the original game since it was a later add on. I thought much of AJ was rather complex (and the first case is simply amazing). That's just my opinion though.
While AJ:AA may be Apollo's first game, it's the fourth game in the GS series. You would want them to take steps backwards and make it super easy, would you?
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Cyn wrote:
Mia_Fey wrote:
Personally as much as I like the first PW game, the first three cases were pretty easy for me. *Cut stuff explaining why* I thought much of AJ was rather complex (and the first case is simply amazing). That's just my opinion though.
While AJ:AA may be Apollo's first game, it's the fourth game in the GS series. You would want them to take steps backwards and make it super easy, would you?
... Did I say that? As I tried to say in the part you quoted, I thought the game was complex and I liked that about it. I apologize if I was unclear in my last post though.
As for Apollo's decision to defend Wocky, he might have been the son of a gangster family, but that didn't mean that Wocky himself had committed a crime (Like with Viola before 3-3. She was the granddaughter of a gangster, but as far as we know had never committed a crime previous to that case) and it certainly didn't mean he was a murderer. Everybody deserves representation and Apollo believed that Wocky was innocent as far as the murder went. That was why he accepted the case.
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And Apollo knows what it feels like to be prejudiced against just because you look a bit shady, because he was TOTALLY a hard-core delinquent. I won't give up, dammit!
Oh, and that picture totally IS awesome. Super Hard, baby! XD
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火曜日 wrote:
because he had been starving and homeless for half a month.:
A bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?
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because he had been starving and homeless for half a month.:
A bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?
Not really. At the beginning of the case 4-2, he did say he's been nowhere to go since the Gavin & Co Office was finished and he couldn't live on his own. At least half a month, if my memory served.
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Aw, but isn't he just so PRECIOUS! <33333 Every time I see that pic, I'll get a giggly feeling in my stomach.
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Aw, but isn't he just so PRECIOUS! <33333 Every time I see that pic, I'll get a giggly feeling in my stomach.
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