I was thinking about all the negative comments I heard of from PW2 back when it first came out in the US saying people wished it was PW3 cause it was a better game, I assume those same people are the ones saying GS4 is not that great.

Oh man, that was TERRIFYING!! I wish I had a cap of it. When it showed up I was like, "Is his hand...pulsing? OMG IT'S THE DEVIL!?" My sister would testify, I made a little squealy noise.

And again when the court turned to look at me. CREEPY.

And again when Kirihito errupted like a volcano!

*ahem*

I don't think 4-4 was as good as 1-4 and 2-4, but I do like it better than 3-5 and the amazing flying corpse~

BTW, first part of the write-up for 4-4 is finished, you little cheaters. I'm heading on to the villain section before I go back for proof-reading.

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Don't forget the snowmobile and the fucked up weather reports.

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I love you SQUEE! *goes to read ending of case 4*

Argh its still not done yet

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By my decree, the former group shall be known ass Evenlovers and the latter group shall be known as Oddlovers. Let us pray that by labeling them I do not start a civil war. ;

P.S.: Having only played 1 and 2, I currently stand neutral in this imaginary conflict.

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So Croik, the murder weapon's a poisoned 45. pistol? lolz

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Oh holes smoles, that be for the next two games are for.

Also, I think there is one other group to add: The equality lovers-they like all the games relatively equally.

http://www.court-records.net/gs4-4.htm

Here is the link for anyone who is wondering what we are talking about.

Edit: After reading the ending of case 4 is WEAK!


Oh by the way Croik

MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT UP YET, YA WANKAZ.

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*runs away while Croik doez a Kirihito*

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Actually a poisoned bullet would be a really lethal weapon, even if the bullet does not kill, the poison will :D

I think my rage would be best depicted in a frothing volcanic eruption of pretty pretty blonde hair~

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Does your eruption give off steam :P

Followed by some fuckin grrreat screaming yeh?

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Darzie, what does the Magatama say about his power level?

IT'S OVER NINE THO...*shot*

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SS Freakout video!

Alright Croik. I'd like to know, indefinately, and once and for all- Does Ema mention Lana EVER in the whole game?

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What!? ?

I believe someone already said she is not mentioned at all during the game, same as Maya, Edgeworth, Pearl, etc.

Alright. Thanks, and sorry if it's already been asked.

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The problem is having a bullet that fires with the same velocity and impact as a bullet, while keeping the poison intact. Unless you're just looking for a poison dart gun. :P

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Okay....I'm stuck again.

Doburoku sent a letter to Kirihito...in prison. That kind of defeats the point of Doburoku not having known who it was that contracted his daughter, right...? You only get a glimpse of the letter but lucky me, I have a shot of it, and it mentions "The reporter came just like you said," which would indicate they've been corresponding for a while, but........I can't remember when that came about. Did Doburoku know it was Kirihito after all? The letter came up in court so briefly and was never admitted, I don't think it was ever explained that well...

.... buh?

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...plot hole?

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Okay, like I promised, my full opinions of the game:

THINGS I LIKED

Simple stuff first - I like the graphics and music. Odoroki's objection theme is one of my favorite of the series, and I like the Cross Examination and Pursued themes a lot, too. Though the Serenade music drove me crazy by the end of case 3. But I also really liked the Kitaki music, and especially the "Magic" theme.

There were also some fabulous animations. My favorites being Takita's bouncing, Kyouya's air guitar (whee~), Baran's surprise, Daian's stroooooking, and of course, the many faces of Kirihito. Though I also have a deep soft spot for Phoenix smiling.

I like Odoroki :D. He pretty much comes out in the game just like I expected he would. Sure, he's a lot like Phoenix. But he's a little more go-get'm, a little more emotional, and I think a little more passionate about law itself. I can imagine him sitting in court, watching Kirihito defend, taking notes, being eager to learn. I think Phoenix was a lot more laid back in that sense (though maybe that's just 'cause he was so useless in 1-1. The Judge was quizzing you on the name of your own client, after all). Where Phoenix just really wanted to help people, I think Odoroki really cares about Law. I don't necessarily like Odoroki better than Phoenix but I liked his youthfulness. And the thought of him in tears is just too cute.

I like Hobohodo. Usually the sidebar, cryptic mentor irritates me (Mia did after a while, that's for sure). But with Phoenix I didn't mind so much. I liked seeing him from a different angle, seeing how the years changed him, and especially how his experiences affected what he passed on to Minuki. Maybe it's just cause 2007 is the year of the battered hero, but I enjoyed speculating about his motives and his new life. (I think my enjoyment of his character was dampened by the Mason system somewhat, but I'll get to that in the DISLIKES). It made it all the more warming when he actually smiled, reminding us it's still the same Phoenix in there.

I like case 1. I think it's my favorite of the four cases, because of the tension. I liked being caught between Phoenix and Kirihito, knowing there was something vicious going on under the surface and being caught in the middle. Plus, Phoenix glaring at me was really intimidating at the time :B.

I like case 2. Creative, bizarre, and just plain fun. Takita was hilarious and I liked how everything came together.

I like case 3, but not as much.

I like case 4, though more as a collection of its characters and themes, and not so much the actual case. I think the "past" case should have been Yuumi's accident, not the death of Tensai (which would have been difficult to try with no body, but still, it's been done!). I don't mind the Mason System itself but there were things in it I didn't like. And though as an anime it would have been really fun to watch, they did take away a lot of the game elements for the third day. You barely present anything. Since you've already figured it all out through the Mason system it was kind of a waste. Dramatically, I liked it. But the gameplay disappeared for a while there XD;;

I like that Odoroki and Minuki are siblings. That's just adorable. And for once they have a living parent! Oh god I hope she doesn't die in the next one, can't ANY anime/game heroes keep their parents alive!?

I like Baran, he amuses me. But the rapestache has to go.

I like grown up Ema better than young Ema.

I like Kyouya. Maybe him being a decent guy wore down the urgency of court, since he was always half on your side, but I didn't mind. I actually kinda liked there being a prosecutor who wasn't a total asshole. His interactions with Odoroki were cute and genuine, and...simple. I liked that they were able to come to an understanding without the hooplah of some of the earlier games (as much as I enjoy a good hooplah). I do wish we could have seen a little more of him and his feelings, though. As powerful as some of the exchanges in 4-4 are (between him and Odoroki and him and his brother) I think they stopped short of him being fleshed out to his full potential.

And I like Kirihito. I loved his look and his attitude, his many expressions, his flipping out, his bizarre relationship to Phoenix. I love his creepy black psycho locks! I LOVE "THE DEVIL!!!!!" But I'm ticked about his lame ass motive. For all they touted Kirihito as being evil, all he managed to do was...NOT kill a defenseless girl for 7 years XD;;;. Gant would'a stabbed her moe moe ass. They gave every indication that he was a cold-hearted killer, and yet...he wasn't really good at it! Which would be really endearing if they played him up more. Though his sprites did a decent job of making me like him despite that XD.

But man...black psycho locks, and the secret was NOT THAT GREAT.

Which I guess is a nice seguay into:

THINGS I DIDN'T LIKE

If I have one BIG complaint about the game, it's that it bit off more than it could chew in terms of being able to express the story through the graphics. For all the drama that 4-1 had, it's weakest point was not being able to see Odoroki's reaction to his mentor of however long turn out to be a killer. As much as I love Odoroki's sprites there really isn't a face he can make that lives up to what you think he ought to be feeling. He doesn't have an upset sprite that isn't comical (granted, Phoenix didn't really have one either until 2-4, but I think Odoroki earned one!).

(Though, if you go to the play notes on Kinoko Kaihatsu, there are some faaaaabulous illustrations from the case that make me a happy Croik).

Same with Kyouya. Despite the awesomeness of the air guitar, he only has 3 serious poses (one of which he only uses once, one only two or three times). It kills some of the mood when he objects to his brother being a murderer with a grin, y'know? Despite being the leads the two of them had some serious limitations to their facial expressions.

There also seemed to be less "crime screenshots" than in the last games. Usually you get at least one of the criminal carrying out the murder, to some degree. But the game seems to have spent so much time with the 3D and the movie sequences that Daian didn't get a single shot anywhere. There's no picture of Kirihito killing Kagerou, or Makoto painting her nails with poison, or even a crime scene photo of Doburoku dead. You don't see most of the crimes like you do in previous cases. There are less screenshots over all.

And no case art. That was a total bummer.

I don't like Phoenix in the Mason System. Even Phoenix back in court seemed a little off to me, though I can't put my finger on exactly why. Maybe because he seemed kind of dismissive of Kyouya as a rookie...? And then afterwards, he didn't seem to care that he'd lost his liscence. Of course, this was a system he was presenting the jury - he couldn't show them if he went home and drunk himself out cold and sat in his boxers for a week or something. But I really liked earlier in the game that Hobohod was just so...bitter about it all, and they don't play on that at all the moment it actually happened. Even in the "present day" sections he was less like he was earlier in the game, and more like the old Phoenix. Maybe Takumi only knows how to write first person one way? XD;; I like Hobohodo much more from an outside perspective.

I didn't like that Edgeworth wasn't mentioned, but I don't think it was a mistake. The story was already overbooked as it was.

And I didn't like that case 4 felt too open. You learned everything you needed to know in the Mason System and then came to court just to watch it play out. Which, it was fun to watch play out. But I wanted to OBJECT! And btw again Kirihito's motivation is lame. He needs a better one. *adds to fic pile*

I don't like that Lamiroir decided not to tell her CHILDREN that she's alive and well. What is it with parents and the "it's not the right time" bullshit? She's their MOTHER. They have a right to know. I'm pretty sure they can both handle it.

Unless there's some reason Lamiroir abandoned Odoroki in the first place. I didn't like that we didn't get to learn anything about his situation. Even if it was so much as whether he was raised by foster parents, or in an orphanage or what have you. I don't mind not learning the whole secrets of Odoroki's motivations, but I just want to know if he even knew his mother before her accident. If his father is dead or missing and she remarried to Zakku...did she dump him somewhere? The Arumajiki are all a little wacked out, but...

OH. And I liked the Minuku system (forgot to mention that earlier!). I especially liked that you didn't have to use it on EVERYONE. It was totally useless against Daian. The other investigation thingies felt too much like games since you only got to do each once, really. By the time Ema explained how to do it you never had to use it again. I'd rather have the luminol and fingerprint powder all the time and use them at will than be lead by the nose once a case.

And...that's a lot of text.

So in short, there was a lot I liked, and a lot that could have been improved. Lessons for GS5, maybe?

Feel free to discuss :D

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I get the feeling that the Arumajiki are going to end up like the Feys. I'm expecting that the backstory behind all that is going to be fleshed out more in GS5/6.

But... the thing is, it seems like they deliberately left a lot of dangling plot threads, which to me feels like it's a less complete game. And worse off for it. PW1 and PW2 both felt... complete. They were self-sustaining stories in and of themselves. GS4 is already worse on this front due to the Phoenix connection, but leaving its own unresolved plotlines just...

...yeah.

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It will be interesting to see where they try to go with the Minuku system with the next games (if anywhere). We already had movements of the hands, eyes, mouth, and sweat under the armpits. What other things could they possibly ever do? Unlike all Minuku parts of the later games will about finding supernatural stuff about the suspect?

When GS1 was made, they assumed it would be the only one. It couldn't afford to leave any plots open, there wasn't going to be anymore. And even with GS2 they probably didn't realize there would be a GS3. And then GS3 was MEANT to be the end of a trilogy.

GS4 is really the only one in the series so far they were able to make knowing there will probably be a GS5. GS4's ad campaign has been pretty big for such a small series. It has a little more security now. So they could afford to leave open ends knowing this is only the beginning of Odoroki's story.

Which isn't to say I appreciate *all* the unaswered questions, but I didn't feel horribly let down, either. It left me wanting more, which...I guess is what a successful game does.



Maybe... They did imply at the end that the bracelets are more powerful, or at least more mysterious, than we originally thought. Maybe it'll branch off into other powers...? Like reading the witness' heart rate or something.

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I just hope the sequel won't focus only on Phoenix and people he knows again. The problem is, to tie up the open ends, it more or less has to.

I could see the system being used to pick up things, ilke perhaps an overly cleaned spot on a person's hand or arm, where they were trying to clean off blood, or perhaps even a bit of hair or fabric stuck on them that they never noticed that is relevant to the case.

Or maybe...X-RAY VISION!!

- ...are you looking through my clothes?

- N-N-NO!....wow...periodic table underwear?

- THAT'S IT! I'M GOING TO MAKE A PLASTER MOLD OUT OF YOU!!

I-I-I'm sorry!...lace, too...mnn...EEK!

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In Mexico, portable burger stands are very common; burgers and hotdogs are sold in these kind of stands.
I'm including a link to a mexican website which sells all kind of portable fast food stands, the first one is a portable burger stand. You wanna see a portable burger stand?

Well I'll be... Never been to Mexico myself, despite living in California, so I never knew that such a thing existed.

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Well, only so much as "what happened to the people Phoenix used to know?" His case was wrapped up as neatly as it could be, I think--it's just the other characters we're left wondering about. But even in the first three games you never hear about the side characters until they show up involved in a case. And even for the big ones, there really isn't that much explanation necessary.

Maya's obviously still in Kurain. She's head of the family now, she probably has new responsibilities. There's no reason for her to show up unles...oh god, if she gets accused of murder again! *dies* But at least we know she still keeps contact with Phoenix, through videos if nothing else.

And Edgeworth? He hasn't even lived in the city since GS1. He's one of my favorites so I hope he gets at least a mention in 5, but we never did learn just what he did in the spaces between 1 and 2, or 2 and 3. I'd assume he's still overseas somewhere.

The only one I really wonder about is Gumshoe, since...he has no reason not to still be in the police force. But then, Odoroki never makes a trip to criminal affairs. Maybe he's chief by now??? :O

Which leaves the question, why weren't they around when Phoenix got canned? But I doubt we'll ever hear that. Taking the time to know just what everyone thinks about Phoenix being fired would eat up a lot of time and at this point be kind of a waste.

The biggest ends to tie up from GS4 are all Odoroki: when will Lamiroir tell him? How did she end up in another country? Who's Odoroki's father? What can the bracelets really do? Will he ever get to see Minuki's magical panty show??

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And that's the big thing to me.

Edgeworth chartered a jet back to Japan/USA when Phoenix needed him in 3-5. The first three games build up these hugely important ties between Phoenix/Edgeworth and Phoenix/Maya.

It is absolutely inconcievable to me that Edgeworth/Maya would have just let this happen. That Edgeworth wouldn't have been on the first flight back to Tokyo/LA, all "WTF Wright?!" And I think many, many fans feel the same way--which is part of the reason they're so disappointed with GS4. The first three games set up these close, important relationships with Phoenix--Pearl, Gumshoe, but especially Maya and Edgeworth. And now we have Maya "just a kid who likes that sort of stuff?" Minuki and Odoroki are "Phoenix's reason to live" now?

It's spitting in the face of EVERYTHING THEY ESTABLISHED in the first three games, I feel. And I know that there are a looooooot of other fans who feel the same way.

If we knew they were going to bastardize Phoenix's character like this, I just wish they wouldn't have put him in the game in the first place.

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I thinkt he real questions here are 'Will Minuki show Kyouya her magical panty show?', and 'Will Kyouya give in and risk jail time to see it?'

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But given the time frame of the events, we don't know that Phoenix friends didn't show up. Phoenix took Zakku's case the night before he was meant to try it. It ended within a few hours. And almost immediately afterwards, he was dragged into a hearing and stripped of his badge. He probably didn't even have a chance to talk to Maya and Edgeworth before all that happened. There was nothing they could have done--all but one of Phoenix's peers voted against him, and that was the man who framed him!

Even if they had shown up, all they could have done was follow Phoenix around his investigation and act sympathetic, which would have eaten up even more time in an already bloated flashback. The point of the Mason System at all was to show the Jury. Phoenix has no reason to show them that.

GS 4 had a million restrictions put on it the moment they said "let's put a new hero in Phoenix's time line." It's true, sacrifices were made. But it's not really fair to complain that Phoenix was too important in the game, and then turn around and complain about his friends not showing up (even if they weren't important to Odoroki's story). It'd just take the focus off Odoroki even more.

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No, it's perfectly fair to complain about it. If the main character of a previous series who has shown to have strong ties to other characters is a HUGE focus of a new series, then it behooves that series to explain what happened to the people he loved. They already took a huge portion of the focus off Odoroki, a little more isn't going to hurt. A simple explantion, or at least mentions of these people in Phoenix's life would have made all the difference.

[while in the hospital] "You can't meet Papa right now, Odoroki-san, he's visiting with an old friend."
[while discussing the circumstances under which he lost his badge] "My friends tried to help...there was nothing they could do."
Ect, ect, ect.

ANYTHING is better than getting the feeling that these characters dropped off the map. They didn't have to show up, but we should feel like they're still a part of Phoenix's life even if we don't see them. Beyond "lol throwaway Tonosaman joke". Remember, we saw these characters create their bonds with Phoenix. With Minuki and Odoroki we get no such luxury, yet we are expected to believe that he lives for them now. Who can blame fans of the old games for having a sour taste in their mouth when the game leaves off on that note?

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uh this?

That's a devil? :s

That's a skull, isn't it? what's with the stitches?

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