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Mikker wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
I'd say that's more of a script typo than a misspelling.
Name: A man shot in the heart screams?
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: AA, Case 4, Edgeworth's confession-End of trial.
Description: Bullets in the heart wouldn't leave enough strength for Gregory to scream very loudly even if he didn't die instantly. But I imagine that he did.
(present DL-6 report)
Miles Edgeworth, what you've said contradicts the evidence.
Again with the file? On what page does the contradiction lie?
Try the 'Victim Data Page' Gregory Edgeworth was shot once through the heart. Death would be pretty instant don't you think?
What is it that you're trying to say Wright?
There was a second bullet, and it hit someone else in a non-vital area! That person was the one who screamed!
Name: A man shot in the heart screams?
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: AA, Case 4, Edgeworth's confession-End of trial.
Description: Bullets in the heart wouldn't leave enough strength for Gregory to scream very loudly even if he didn't die instantly. But I imagine that he did.
(present DL-6 report)
Miles Edgeworth, what you've said contradicts the evidence. Again with the file? On what page does the contradiction lie? Try the 'Victim Data Page' Gregory Edgeworth was shot once through the heart. Death would be pretty instant don't you think? What is it that you're trying to say Wright? There was a second bullet, and it hit someone else in a non-vital area! That person was the one who screamed!Once again, you only have the defendents word for it being correct. If
agrees that he heard this too, then it passes as evidence: but he doesn't. Edgey could just as well have lied about it.
At this point Yogi had been put under arrest for the murder of Richard Hammond and taken away. He wasn't in the courtroom!
Anyway, I thought about it and here's an edited version.
Please read the 'Victim Data', there are two things that come to mind, one, the murder weapon was fired twice, two, Gregory Edgeworth was shot in the heart. Bullets tend to kill pretty quickly, if not near instantly, when they hit a vital organ. Since the victim was shot in the heart he didn't have the strength to scream if he didn't die instantly.
Mr Wright, if the scream wasn't from the victim, then who was it/ Who else? The murderer! The true murderer of DL-6 was shot in a non-vital area when the gun discharged!Thus the scenario Phoenix suggest in the game begins.
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Ryuko wrote:
Mikker wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
I'd say that's more of a script typo than a misspelling.
Name: A man shot in the heart screams?
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: AA, Case 4, Edgeworth's confession-End of trial.
Description: Bullets in the heart wouldn't leave enough strength for Gregory to scream very loudly even if he didn't die instantly. But I imagine that he did.
(present DL-6 report)
Miles Edgeworth, what you've said contradicts the evidence.
Again with the file? On what page does the contradiction lie?
Try the 'Victim Data Page' Gregory Edgeworth was shot once through the heart. Death would be pretty instant don't you think?
What is it that you're trying to say Wright?
There was a second bullet, and it hit someone else in a non-vital area! That person was the one who screamed!
Name: A man shot in the heart screams?
Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: AA, Case 4, Edgeworth's confession-End of trial.
Description: Bullets in the heart wouldn't leave enough strength for Gregory to scream very loudly even if he didn't die instantly. But I imagine that he did.
(present DL-6 report)
Miles Edgeworth, what you've said contradicts the evidence. Again with the file? On what page does the contradiction lie? Try the 'Victim Data Page' Gregory Edgeworth was shot once through the heart. Death would be pretty instant don't you think? What is it that you're trying to say Wright? There was a second bullet, and it hit someone else in a non-vital area! That person was the one who screamed!Once again, you only have the defendents word for it being correct. If
agrees that he heard this too, then it passes as evidence: but he doesn't. Edgey could just as well have lied about it. At this point Yogi had been put under arrest for the murder of Richard Hammond and taken away. He wasn't in the courtroom!
Anyway, I thought about it and here's an edited version.
Please read the 'Victim Data', there are two things that come to mind, one, the murder weapon was fired twice, two, Gregory Edgeworth was shot in the heart. Bullets tend to kill pretty quickly, if not near instantly, when they hit a vital organ. Since the victim was shot in the heart he didn't have the strength to scream if he didn't die instantly. Mr Wright, if the scream wasn't from the victim, then who was it/ Who else? The murderer! The true murderer of DL-6 was shot in a non-vital area when the gun discharged!Thus the scenario Phoenix suggest in the game begins.
: Mr. Wright, why are you inisting someone was.... screaming?
: What.... what are you... : ....! : Remember Edgeworth is a public prosecutor. : He would know how to mingle his way out of this. : There was no scream. The defendant is lying! : I.... I see! : Great job, Wright! You just made it look like I was lying!
: But! Me. Contrediction. ME GOOD BOY! : ...I think I'll just have to declare a verdict right now.
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- "The murderer could have taken the bullet from the crime scene!" - "Impossible! Then the murderer would have taken the bullet from Gregory Edgeworth!"!!!
- "..."
- "..."
- "..." - "..." - "What kind of #*%#(*^ sicko are you, von Karma? Are you suggesting the killer would be digging into a dead man's body to retrieve a bullet?"
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Magmar's Fury wrote:
I still think the major problem with 1-4 is:
- "The murderer could have taken the bullet from the crime scene!"
- "Impossible! Then the murderer would have taken the bullet from Gregory Edgeworth!"
!!!
- "..."
- "..."
- "..."
- "..."
- "What kind of #*%#(*^ sicko are you, von Karma? Are you suggesting the killer would be digging into a dead man's body to retrieve a bullet?"
- "The murderer could have taken the bullet from the crime scene!" - "Impossible! Then the murderer would have taken the bullet from Gregory Edgeworth!"!!!
- "..." - "..." - "..." - "..." - "What kind of #*%#(*^ sicko are you, von Karma? Are you suggesting the killer would be digging into a dead man's body to retrieve a bullet?"Edit: Wait, I misread that. Ignore this.
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Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
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Description: This one had me cocking an eyebrow. I redid Rise from the Ashes the other day out of sheer boredom and...
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Not only has it rid it of most (if not all) blood, it has given it a delightfully glossy finish.
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Mikker wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
Mikker wrote:
Once again, you only have the defendents word for it being correct. If agrees that he heard this too, then it passes as evidence: but he doesn't. Edgey could just as well have lied about it.
agrees that he heard this too, then it passes as evidence: but he doesn't. Edgey could just as well have lied about it. At this point Yogi had been put under arrest for the murder of Richard Hammond and taken away. He wasn't in the courtroom!
Anyway, I thought about it and here's an edited version.
Please read the 'Victim Data', there are two things that come to mind, one, the murder weapon was fired twice, two, Gregory Edgeworth was shot in the heart. Bullets tend to kill pretty quickly, if not near instantly, when they hit a vital organ. Since the victim was shot in the heart he didn't have the strength to scream if he didn't die instantly. Mr Wright, if the scream wasn't from the victim, then who was it/ Who else? The murderer! The true murderer of DL-6 was shot in a non-vital area when the gun discharged!Thus the scenario Phoenix suggest in the game begins.
: Mr. Wright, why are you inisting someone was.... screaming? Do you have selective hearing!? Are you so desperate for a perfect record you'd trick the judge into overlooking a point in the defendant's own testimony!? Or maybe I should mention the 'flaw' caused by the victim himself!? You wouldn't! What's going on here? Von Karma was present that day, in a trial, he won, but was accused of falsifying evidence, the accusation stood, and Manfred Von Karma was penalised for it! He was present at the courthouse on the day of the crime, and he has a clear motive! Phoenix Wright, why would I murder over a mere penalty? Do you have any proof that I did it?
"Dammit! He's right!" Tsk Tsk Tsk, so sorry Mr Wright.
Hey Nick, I just remembered something Mr Grossberg mentioned.
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Type of cough-up: forgotten evidence
Location: Turnabout Sisters day 2- Trial, Gumshoe's testimony
Description: To serve as evidence if necessary, all 911 (Or, as it is in England, 999) calls are recorded, including the time at which they were recorded, that would have been a contradiction with the time of death.
Hey pal, don't play dumb, you know who, the call came from a customer at the Gatewater Hotel next to the crime scene. And what time was this call? Mr Wright, how would Detective Gumshoe know this. All emergency calls are recorded in case they are proven fake and used as evidence of course. Uh... let me see...This is only an estimate, but on a September Night I imagine the body would've gone cold in about 10 minutes, so it was at least that.
So what was this so-called 'witness' doing at the time of the actual crime? I hardly call (insert time here) just having witnessed the event. But there's another contradiction here. A-A-ANOTHER CONTRADICTION!! Detective Gumshoe! You said you got there in time to prevent the murderer get away! Ten minutes is plenty of time to escape Fey & co. Law offices!Name: Disappearing bandage
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Description: In the poses where Lana is smiling or when she is in desperation, the bandage on her right hand is missing.
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Ryuko wrote:
Name: Disappearing bandage
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Rise from the Ashes
Description: In the poses where Lana is smiling or when she is in desperation, the bandage on her right hand is missing.
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Rise from the Ashes
Description: In the poses where Lana is smiling or when she is in desperation, the bandage on her right hand is missing.
But isn't that because in the game, when she is in desperation you can't see her hand because of the witness stand...and when she is smiling, you don't see her hand at all.
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dansamol wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
Name: Disappearing bandage
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Rise from the Ashes
Description: In the poses where Lana is smiling or when she is in desperation, the bandage on her right hand is missing.
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Rise from the Ashes
Description: In the poses where Lana is smiling or when she is in desperation, the bandage on her right hand is missing.
But isn't that because in the game, when she is in desperation you can't see her hand because of the witness stand...and when she is smiling, you don't see her hand at all.
When she's biting her thumb is when it's clearest, but if you look at the sprite rips and even on the official art it's gone.
Mikker: Then again, Matt's phone isn't that obvious, I'm surprised he gets signal in jail though.
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(I bet a least one would have taken bribe money.) If your not satisfied with that then when maybe they arrested Matt Engard they didn't find a phone on him after all it think it look like a wrist watch.
There was one detail in AA case 5 that bothered me.
Name: Murder weapon?
Cough up: The size and blood
Location: Day 2: Trial, Final Day-Trial Latter 2
Somewhere in the beginning of the statement about the murder weapon that "killed" Goodman they mention that knife was 12cm.
When they brought up Edgeworth's knife they said it was 10cm. Why couldn't you have a raised an objection about this? Doesn't this contridict the facts? To me it meant that the Edgeworth's knife couldn't have been the one used to kill Goodman and the "tip could have broken off" can't be used as a excuse because as you can clearly see in the court record Edgeworth's knife is still intact.
In the Final Day-Trial Latter 2 when Demon Gant "confessed" that he uses the SL9 evidence knife to kill Goodman if you examine the knife in some point in the game it mentions that there is only dried blood on the knife. If Gant used the weapon to kill Goodman wouldn't there have still been some of his blood on the knife? Would Demon have the time to wipe the knife clean and deal with mess left by the murder at the same time? I think not.
Another point I want to bring up along the topic is that Lana has to get rid of the SL-9 weapon to make it look like she did it and Goodman's blood would most certainly be on the knife, even if she wrapped it around her muffler there would still be trace evidence on the knife and the scarf.
Then again Gant was the one who personally brought the evidence to the court he could have had the time to wipe the SL9 knife clean.
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-The crime
-Primary investigation
-First Day of trial
I'd say the time difference was one and a half days, more than enough time for blood to dry out.
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Name: The Feys.
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A) Kept their name.
or
B) The roles are switched (husbands gain the last name of their wives).
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Ryuko wrote:
dansamol wrote:
Ryuko wrote:
Name: Disappearing bandage
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Rise from the Ashes
Description: In the poses where Lana is smiling or when she is in desperation, the bandage on her right hand is missing.
Type of cough-up: inconsistency
Location: Rise from the Ashes
Description: In the poses where Lana is smiling or when she is in desperation, the bandage on her right hand is missing.
But isn't that because in the game, when she is in desperation you can't see her hand because of the witness stand...and when she is smiling, you don't see her hand at all.
When she's biting her thumb is when it's clearest, but if you look at the sprite rips and even on the official art it's gone.
Do you mean it's clearest that it is or isn't there? Because is you mean it's clear it isn't there, you are wrong. You CAN see it, but the way she has her hand makes it hard to see.
I see what you mean for the official art, though.
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Flowery wrote:
SilverZephyr wrote:
When he first came into the studio, he went through the woods so he wouldn't get caught. But he got lost in the woods, so when he finally found his way out he wouldn't just go back the way he came. He was already by the studios so he just went through the camera on his way out. He was also very out of sorts because of what he'd witnessed, so he didn't care about getting caught at that point.
But remember, his picture was taken *before* Hammer's was. Therefore, if it was taken on his way out, it couldn't still be labeled #1 like it was.
He said he came in through the forest so Oldbag wouldn't catch him. Oldbag has her post at the gate, so he probably came in, got lost, came out near the security camera and either didn't notice it (Nick and Maya don't notice it straight away) or didn't care that it was there and passed through the gate and went to studio 2.
Hope it makes sense
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... and out of bad memory, who stuck the rubber glove between the locker? Was it Goodman's glorious mistake or was it Gant?
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Please take a look at the position of the handles, as a typical door for a large container, it is in the middle of the side opposite the hinges. I imagine that the sensors in question are within the large square area surrounding the handle. As you can see, the fabric is poking out from the bottom end, so it's not cutting the power at all.
Having said that it's highly unlikely that the glove was accidentally placed, as gravity would make it fall to the bottom. Also, the fragments are still inside as well as the glove, Gant obviously needed a means to get the pieces later.
You need to bear in mind that a good insulator of any thickness is all that is needed to break a circuit. Latex is thin, but it's a good insulator.
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Spoiler: Case 2-2
- "It's too complex."
- "Right, too complex! I'm going to throw it out despite how it fits all the evidence."
- "Why you dirty stinking... errr, I mean... like, what?"Sadly, they'd still force you to prove it. The trouble is, no matter how many times a witness lies or breaks down on the stand, their words are still taken to be more truthful than God Himself/Herself, even if evidence and simple logic would be enough to prove them wrong. *le sigh*
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Flowery wrote:
dansamol wrote:
He said he came in through the forest so Oldbag wouldn't catch him. Oldbag has her post at the gate, so he probably came in, got lost, came out near the security camera and either didn't notice it (Nick and Maya don't notice it straight away) or didn't care that it was there and passed through the gate and went to studio 2.
Hope it makes sense
Hope it makes sense
Good points made! But there's a little more to it... he mentioned specifically where he came out of the woods in his testimony, and it wasn't by the gate with the security camera. Lemme do a little copypasta with the script, lol... and I'm gonna go ahead and smush all of Cody's lines into one to save some space. =p
(6)
-Phoenix: You got lost in the woods?
Cody: Yeah. I couldn't figure out which way I was walking. Man, was I relieved when I saw the blue studio doors. But guess what happened next! When I came out by the studio, there was the Steel Samurai! He was standing by the studio gate. It looked like he was thinking about something before going in. Then he opened up the gate and went inside.
Phoenix: I see. What then?
Cody: It totally rocked! Right before my eyes, out came the bad guy!
This shows that the first place he emerged from the woods was by the Studio 2 gate, and not anywhere else. Still very far away from the camera.
One could also try to say that it was the gate by the security camera he was talking about. But if that were the case, remember that he said Hammer *opened* the gate himself. As we know, he came later than Cody did, and that would therefore mean the gate was closed at the time that Cody arrived. Cody wouldn't have chosen to pass through there if that were the case. Why would he go out of his way and risk blowing his cover, only to open a closed gate that had the same path on the other side? He wouldn't have a need to, especially since he could just go right past it with no problems if he kept walking through the woods! :3
Hmm... Well, that's my theory gone. It's because I never pressed that statement, I always went to the contradiction.
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Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
Location: Turnabout Goodbyes, Yogi's testimony, Day 2
Description: If he murdered someone in cold blood, as the court was suggesting, then why on earth would Edgeworth say 'I can't believe he's dead'
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Ryuko wrote:
Name: 'I can't believe he's dead!'
Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
Location: Turnabout Goodbyes, Yogi's testimony, Day 2
Description: If he murdered someone in cold blood, as the court was suggesting, then why on earth would Edgeworth say 'I can't believe he's dead'
Type of cough-up: Inconsistency
Location: Turnabout Goodbyes, Yogi's testimony, Day 2
Description: If he murdered someone in cold blood, as the court was suggesting, then why on earth would Edgeworth say 'I can't believe he's dead'
When you become angry, you become a different person. It's all phsychological. Basically their theory was Edgeworth became riled enough to come into extreme actions, but his usual personality afterwards caused him to go into momentary shock.
Well, i'm not too good at explaining things, but i'm sure you get the point.
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Chinami on the other hand, her braids sort of count as her bangs, and her hair is considerably shorter than Maya's (dunno who Elise is).
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I'm sorry, but how (and why!) on EARTH did he bring that with him?!
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Spoiler: 2-2, obviously.
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Nova wrote:
I'm probably just missing something, but when mulling over 2-2 I noticed a peculiar logical flaw:
Spoiler: 2-2, obviously.
Ths one has already been pointed out I believe. After knocking out Maya and shooting Grey (whilst holding onto the gun with her sleeve) Mimi put the gun in Maya's hand in order to leave the fingerprints.
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Is it just me, or in Case 5 of AA, when you examine Gumshoe's ID card, does it say 'sergeant' above his name instead of 'detective'?
"Sergeant" is also a specific police rank, whereas "detective" is a more general term for investigators.
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This is my first post!My big objection was that in the begining of case 5 of PW:AA the length of Edgey's Knife and the stab wound recorded in the victim's autopsy were very contrictory. I think the knife was 9 in. long and the wound was made by a knife 12 in. long.
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The Emerald Wind wrote:
:edgy: This is my first post!
My big objection was that in the begining of case 5 of PW:AA the length of Edgey's Knife and the stab wound recorded in the victim's autopsy were very contrictory. I think the knife was 9 in. long and the wound was made by a knife 12 in. long.
My big objection was that in the begining of case 5 of PW:AA the length of Edgey's Knife and the stab wound recorded in the victim's autopsy were very contrictory. I think the knife was 9 in. long and the wound was made by a knife 12 in. long.
That's because the wound was made with a DIFFERENT knife.
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One thing I got from that case, even though it was never stated outright, was the impression that the mediums in the Fey clan have at least some form of control over the spirits they channel depending on how strong the spirit is. Maya was expected to control the spirit on account that she was going to be the next master, but she believed that she didn’t have enough training and that was got Dr. Grey killed. This could count as either Depraved Indifference (Recklessly creating a situation where there is a grave risk of death to a person) or Criminal Negligence (the failure to foresee and so allow otherwise avoidable dangers to manifest). In other words Maya was prosecuted because she wasn’t strong enough to control the spirit of Mimi but went ahead with the Channeling anyway. Hope this clears it up.
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