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French-Passed French I and taking French II, easy except for telling time and numbers passed 79. Shit sux
Japanese- Spoken language, and Hiragana is really, really easy. Kanji is hard. And I haven't learned Katakana yet because 8th grade only had Hiragana in the curriculum.
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Ping' wrote:
NinjaMonkey wrote:
someOen wrote:
French language is weird.
"Hey, look at this word with five syllables, let's pronounce two of them!"
Makes no sense.
"Hey, look at this word with five syllables, let's pronounce two of them!"
Makes no sense.
You think that makes no sense, how about this: In french, the adjective comes after the noun. For example, you say "Un chaise noir" (a chair black) instead of "Un noir chaise (a black chair).
Weird, eh?
> Worst thing is, that's not always the case. Jean Gabin didn't say "T'as des yeux beaux, tu sais", but "T'as d'beaux yeux, tu sais". On the other hand, "des yeux bleus comme la nuit" is perfectly correct.
Weirder, eh?
Some adjectives come before, some come after. I don't know why, I just know that they do XD
But you live in France, so I'm sure that you know this already :P
English is a weird language, and I'm quite glad that it is my first language. I can't even imagine trying to learn English -__-
I am taking French this year, but I think I might take it online because the universities that I want to go to don't require the provincial exams anymore :) I have no need to continue taking it in university, though. I'm going into engineering XD My French grammar is excellent (Although there are obviously some things that I don't remember very well from years ago and things that I haven't learned), and I can read French very well and understand it. The only issues I have are with understanding people speaking French and speaking it myself :( Although spending a couple weeks in France this summer certainly helped :P
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OMFG wrote:
Japanese- Spoken language, and Hiragana is really, really easy. Kanji is hard. And I haven't learned Katakana yet because 8th grade only had Hiragana in the curriculum.
You're not missing anything too important. Just stay with Heisig's thingy and you'll be able to learn within the language.
OMFG wrote:
Spanish-Fuck Tacos, they're called freedom shells.
Ahahahahaahah! I love you so much.
Akane wrote:
English is a weird language
You got that right.
Sweetbreads are meats. Sweetmeats are candy. We use plural indicators(-s) on nouns when we already have the numeric statistics and it's already divided into so many incomprehensible dialects that I want to abandon ship.
Akane wrote:
I'm quite glad that it is my first language.
It's a big drawback. The reward wasn't worth the choice. Here's my arguement:
Most children that speak English as a first language don't seek out anything else because they don't believe they need it. They've been getting around on English for so long that they have no desire to use anything else. By the time they realize this isn't the case, they have no idea how to get this handled. Worse yet, the constant exposure to English is almost demeaning to the process of learning anything else.
Akane wrote:
I can't even imagine trying to learn English -__-
Neither can I. Probably because I have to assume English in order to learn it. I have no idea how all the Chinese people on Skype have the English skills of a 12 year old. No really...The comprehension is there but the spelling is horrible. I have no clue why so many Japanese people my age or more have horrible English. I know one admitted to using a translator and I know another had been using a textbook. Maybe they need better materials? =/
Akane wrote:
I am taking French this year, but I think I might take it online because the universities that I want to go to don't require the provincial exams anymore :)
I can't use Livemocha because I don't have the bandwidth.
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Panty thief strikes again!
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DaemonForce wrote:
Neither can I. Probably because I have to assume English in order to learn it. I have no idea how all the Chinese people on Skype have the English skills of a 12 year old. No really...The comprehension is there but the spelling is horrible. I have no clue why so many Japanese people my age or more have horrible English. I know one admitted to using a translator and I know another had been using a textbook. Maybe they need better materials? =/
I completely understand how hard it is to learn another language and put it to use. It's awkward. Some places focus on oral communications, while other focus on spelling and grammar. It's the same for most languages. There generally isn't enough focus on both at the same time.
DaemonForce wrote:
Akane wrote:
I am taking French this year, but I think I might take it online because the universities that I want to go to don't require the provincial exams anymore :)
I can't use Livemocha because I don't have the bandwidth.
What's Livemocha?
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Akane wrote:
I completely understand how hard it is to learn another language and put it to use. It's awkward. Some places focus on oral communications, while other focus on spelling and grammar.
I'm focused on none of those things. This is probably why my grammar is bad. I focus on the reading/writing portions of the language and nothing else. I don't use enough or the right particles and I don't use verbs often enough. Japanese sentences are constructed much like a mathematic equation. This probably says more than it needs to. :\
Akane wrote:
It's the same for most languages. There generally isn't enough focus on both at the same time.
Kanji are my main priority right now. I attempt communication and it's not very good. This is mainly because I say something basic or faulty and I can't understand the reply I'm given.
Akane wrote:
What's Livemocha?
Probably your only chance at learning without having to drown out a lot of noise going on where you are. It's like a textbook flashcard with sound. Basically the best situation I believe exists for fast permanent memorization.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm talking to a Chinese girl. Her English is okay. o_O
鲁克斯 is my name in her language.
Yeah...That first one is a fish on a sun....What the fuck.
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Panty thief strikes again!
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Greek: Good enough so that I could live in Greece; my conversational Greek is good. That's because I went to school six years (grades 1 to 6) to learn the language, and more importantly, also speak it every day at home (it's my main language at home with the family, besides dad). That said, for more formal stuff, like essays and whatnot, my English is much better than my Greek. I also can't read and write Greek as fast as English, but I can still do it!
Spanish: learning, and I'm doing pretty well. Though if you asked Delsy she'd tell you I was fluent XD
I attribute my easy time learning Spanish to my learning Greek at a young age. I think it really helps if you learn a second language early.
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I don't waste my money on courses I know I won't do well in. =/
Hey George did you learn Greek by using English as a crutch?
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DaemonForce wrote:
I know I'm older than 13 and my memorization is poor because of this.
I don't waste my money on courses I know I won't do well in. =/
I don't waste my money on courses I know I won't do well in. =/
I don't pay for my courses at this point in time, either o.o
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I'm very lucky to have had my grandmother's help. She grew up in Greece and thus knows the language well. And since my mom can speak Greek too, there always was and still is lots of Greek speaking going on in this house--that helped me a ton, in terms of learning conversational Greek.
A friend of mine who taught himself German will speak some German to me on occasion, just to use it, so he doesn't totally forget it. It doesn't matter that I don't know what he's saying, he'll just translate it later. Really using the language in a practical, everyday setting, it does wonders. We used to go back and forth to each other in German and Greek, translating each thing we said, lol
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Akane wrote:
I don't pay for my courses at this point in time, either o.o
No I just don't pay for the ones I know I won't be able to do.
Subscriptions are okay. I think you know where to go.
George wrote:
its alphabet, the foundation of the language, is not the same as English/Spanish/German/French etc.
Not all languages follow similar rules. It's a difficult idea to grasp.
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Panty thief strikes again!
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George wrote:
The thing about learning Greek (or Russian, or Japanese, etc.--Far East languages probably more complicated, even) is that its alphabet, the foundation of the language, is not the same as English/Spanish/German/French etc. So even before I learned words or phrases, I learned the alphabet letter by letter as a 1st grader. The Greek ABCs, if you will. So, did I use English during class? Yes, but I also worked hard on the Greek. To develop writing, the teacher had us copy lesson texts out of the book, and told us to read them ten times anyway. And compared to reading and writing, speaking is easy. Illiterates can still speak. So I'm hypothesizing that if you practice reading and writing, speaking comes easier.
I'm very lucky to have had my grandmother's help. She grew up in Greece and thus knows the language well. And since my mom can speak Greek too, there always was and still is lots of Greek speaking going on in this house--that helped me a ton, in terms of learning conversational Greek.
A friend of mine who taught himself German will speak some German to me on occasion, just to use it, so he doesn't totally forget it. It doesn't matter that I don't know what he's saying, he'll just translate it later. Really using the language in a practical, everyday setting, it does wonders. We used to go back and forth to each other in German and Greek, translating each thing we said, lol
I'm very lucky to have had my grandmother's help. She grew up in Greece and thus knows the language well. And since my mom can speak Greek too, there always was and still is lots of Greek speaking going on in this house--that helped me a ton, in terms of learning conversational Greek.
A friend of mine who taught himself German will speak some German to me on occasion, just to use it, so he doesn't totally forget it. It doesn't matter that I don't know what he's saying, he'll just translate it later. Really using the language in a practical, everyday setting, it does wonders. We used to go back and forth to each other in German and Greek, translating each thing we said, lol
Do they actually still speak Greek in Greece? Sweet if so.
Also, speaking can be differant from reading/writing, you need to know pronunciation for speaking, and listening to someone can be faster paced than reading. If you don't know it well enough, you might not know exactly what they said.
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Spanish-Fuck Tacos, they're called freedom shells.
Mexico is the 50th state.
What? New Jersey isn't part of America.
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Superninfreak wrote:
OMFG wrote:
Spanish-Fuck Tacos, they're called freedom shells.
Mexico is the 50th state.
What? New Jersey isn't part of America.
You're right. It's apart of Russia
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2) Some Korean:
- Can speak basic conversations
- Can read/write hangul, but hard to understand what's written
3) Japanese:
- Level 2 Proficiency
- Able to read/write/comprehend about 1000 kanji
- Can speak with little to no problems in daily conversations
- Currently studying advanced grammar
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johnny rainbow wrote:
1) Fluent English
Not if you stick to another language for a whole year it isn't.
johnny rainbow wrote:
2) Some Korean:
- Can read/write hangul, but hard to understand what's written
- Can read/write hangul, but hard to understand what's written
The conversations seem interesting but the writing is too much for me. Too squiggly.
johnny rainbow wrote:
3) Japanese:
- Level 2 Proficiency
- Level 2 Proficiency
I'm probably approaching JLPT3 proficiency at this point but I'm not 100% familiar with all the Grade 1 kanji pronunciations. Still, I'm able to point out several irregulars. Since I'm supposed to be in college right now and taking formal classes, I'm going to be really pissed if I can't take any of the JLPT or JSL tests this year.
johnny rainbow wrote:
- Able to read/write/comprehend about 1000 kanji
So far I'm around 384/3027 according to Heisig. Of those 384 I've probably mastered the pronunciations of 100 characters. Yet the comprehension isn't entirely there.
johnny rainbow wrote:
- Can speak with little to no problems in daily conversations
A lot of my conversations are written. I'm missing a lot of vocabulary. Especially when I need to use action words like memorize, the if->then->or conjugations and my speed is still a bit unfavorable. I really fall apart when the second は is used.
johnny rainbow wrote:
- Currently studying advanced grammar
Any textbooks for that?
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Panty thief strikes again!
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P.S.- Memorize = "oboeru"
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johnny rainbow wrote:
Joukyuu de manabu
*opens briefcase*
Book-money. Go get yourself all them golden britches, bookworm.
johnny rainbow wrote:
It's a lot more focused on understanding/breaking down essays and advanced vocabulary/kanji/grammar.
I'll need to use this next year.
johnny rainbow wrote:
I'm also using another textbook focused solely on Lv.1 grammar, as well as ANOTHER textbook focused on writing essays in Japanese.
I like doing that. You do something you struggle with. That's one book.
At the same time you fly through another book at about 10 pages per day. That's called review. It's a good thing.
johnny rainbow wrote:
覚える
Ack!
[size=７67]DAMNIT![/size]
See I need to know that word since I'm supposed to be running through 皆の日本語覚える right now. I'm supposed to go through it with the 練習長 guide like I've almost finished but instead I haven't touched it. I've been going through the Basic Kanji book. I've gotten through 110 pages already. Huzzah.
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Swedish (Forced to learn, and that I dont understand. Swedish people, that live in Finland dont have to learn Finnish, but Finnish people are forced to learn Swedish. Pakko-Ruotsi(=Forced Swedish or something...), thats what we call it. +For me German or Russian would be a lot more useful. But I guess I will learn German in my further studies anyway.)
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I'm proficient enough in Japanese to both get by and translate, but I would prefer to work on that more.
I'm learning Chinese, beginner's level, at the moment.
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Holy Hell wrote:
I'm learning Chinese, beginner's level, at the moment.
Mandarin or Cantonese?
I'm not going to be here very often anymore.
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DaemonForce wrote:
Neither can I. Probably because I have to assume English in order to learn it. I have no idea how all the Chinese people on Skype have the English skills of a 12 year old. No really...The comprehension is there but the spelling is horrible. I have no clue why so many Japanese people my age or more have horrible English. I know one admitted to using a translator and I know another had been using a textbook. Maybe they need better materials? =/
Actually what we really need is a good environment of learning English...and what makes it more difficult to learn is, Chinese is ideograph while English is phonography. Thinking about the kanji you are learning, that might give you some ideas of it. (but I doubt if they really focus on understanding the visual meaning of the characters when they teach Japanese...)
And the languages I use are:
Shanghai dialect(my native language)
Mandarin (believe or not, both Mandarin and Shanghai dialect are Chinese, but they are two different languages, like English and French)
English (still working on it...)
Japanese (only a little. Usually I can only read kanji T-T)
You can call me whatever you want:3
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火曜日 wrote:
English (still working on it...)
Eh? You certainly seem good enough at it to blend in in an English speaking message board.
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Superninfreak wrote:
火曜日 wrote:
English (still working on it...)
Eh? You certainly seem good enough at it to blend in in an English speaking message board.
A moderator of an English speaking message board, no less. :P
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That's saying something.
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Anyway I was just telling the truth. I'm still taking the English as Second Language course in the university.
That's why I'm planning to take the IELT（the International English Language Testing System） test at the end of this month. If I pass the exam successfully then I can drop the course next semester.> <
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Keep using that dictionary, miss. It's an excellent tool.
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火曜日 wrote:
Actually what we really need is a good environment of learning English...
..........
SKYPE!
火曜日 wrote:
and what makes it more difficult to learn is, Chinese is ideograph while English is phonography.
When I grew up learning English, I thought of the longer words as combined expressions sort of like how kanji work together. It doesn't work the way you'd expect but it makes most spellings really easy.
火曜日 wrote:
Thinking about the kanji you are learning, that might give you some ideas of it. (but I doubt if they really focus on understanding the visual meaning of the characters when they teach Japanese...)
I go about studying kanji 4 different ways. I first look at the new character and try to create a mental image of the ideograph in my head. When I do this, I'm usually doing a component analysis of breaking the character into primitives that I'm familiar with. I learn the stroke order as I try to associate it with at most 3 English meanings and the kun pronunciation. Unless it doesn't have but one reading, I don't look for the on reading first because I'm looking at the character as is. I shouldn't be memorizing a bunch of pointless pronunciations until I'm presented with irregulars or a word that uses the ideograph with a familiar character. It sounds more complicated than it is.
火曜日 wrote:
Shanghai dialect(my native language)
<3
火曜日 wrote:
Mandarin (believe or not, both Mandarin and Shanghai dialect are Chinese, but they are two different languages, like English and French)
This is why Chinese would drive me crazy.
火曜日 wrote:
English (still working on it...)
What's another word for thesaurus?
火曜日 wrote:
Japanese (only a little. Usually I can only read kanji T-T)
Do you find yourself unlearning some things when you read Kanji in Japanese texts?
火曜日 wrote:
I make grammar and spelling mistakes from time to time, and I have to use a dictionary to write my essays...
Shut it. You're doing just fine.
johnny rainbow wrote:
Tuesday: You type better than 35% of English speakers in America.
That's saying something.
That's saying something.
45% of decent English speakers are in the non-obese category. THAT says something.
Learn American English. Come over if you want. You'll probably regret eating our food though.
火曜日 wrote:
IELT
I have seen something like this before in summer school courses. It's okay.
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Panty thief strikes again!
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johnny rainbow wrote:
Superninfreak wrote:
火曜日 wrote:
English (still working on it...)
Eh? You certainly seem good enough at it to blend in in an English speaking message board.
A moderator of an English speaking message board, no less. :P
..But what if she mis-interprets what someone says...and with her mod powers....
..oh dear......
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Superninfreak wrote:
..But what if she mis-interprets what someone says...and with her mod powers....
..oh dear......
And how did I lose mod-ness to someone who is still learning to speak English?
..oh dear......
Go away.
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Superninfreak wrote:
..But what if she mis-interprets what someone says...and with her mod powers....
..oh dear......
And how did I lose mod-ness to someone who is still learning to speak English?
..oh dear......
Don't worry...I used to make that kind of mistakes, but now it's O.K for me to understand others' words since I've been here for two years.
You can call me whatever you want:3
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English.
Know some Filipino, French, Spanish, know very little Croatian, Russian, German, Japanese.
Know some Filipino, French, Spanish, know very little Croatian, Russian, German, Japanese.
I'LL HELP YOU WITH THE WORDS SERIOUSLY.
It's just I'm very fluent with that language-I am from there. :)))))))
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