Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:02 am

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Ok, so Zak and Valant "killed" Thalassa in a magic trick accident, or at least they thought so. But once we find out Thalassa was Lamiror, I have to wonder: Exactly how did she go blind/lose her memory/end up in a foreign country in the first place? If I recall, the flashback showed Zak and Valant weilding guns, how would those possibly do such things to her?

Poor Thalassa has to be the unluckiest person ever.

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:18 am

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I'm pretty sure this was intentionally left behind to create some things to expand on in GS5. And the going blind...

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Losing her memory would probably be a side-effect of.... being almost killed probably. Her corpse was never found, probably dragged to Borginia by some mystery-person.

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:58 am

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I guess, but it really doesn't make any sense, even with an explanation that they thought she was dead.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:27 pm

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Probably unrelated, but in the game Red Orchestra, I was playing a match on the developer's server. I got hit in the head, and yet somehow was still alive, exclaiming this in wonder to the server. One of the developers said back "Yeah. If you're wearing your helmet, you have like a 0.2% chance of survival."
It's MINORLY possible that Thalassa was hit in the head, or at least grazed.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:39 pm

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Well, since they were show guns I don't think the guns were of a very high caliber. I'm no neurology expert, but being shot in the head might have wiped out her vision and her memory at the same time. Then some emergency surgery saved her life or something.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:09 am

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:57 am

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I definitely think that Thalassa's memory loss was probably a psychological issue. As I recall from the game, Thalassa specifically mentions that she was frightened of being able to see again and, more importantly, of knowing who she had been, so it seems possible that her fear caused a mental block that held back her old memories. After facing one of her fears by having her eyes fixed, it's not inconceivable that the mental blocks which kept her memories at bay were weakened and she was again able to retrieve them. I doubt that the blindness was caused by her fear though as we are told that she has a physical procedure to fix her eyesight. If her blindness was psychological in cause as well, then I don't understand why they would need to fix them physically as Thalassa's eyes should have returned to normal once the psychological issues had been resolved as appears to have happened with her memory (And I should hope that the doctor who performed the procedure would be able to tell the difference between damaged eyes and blindness brought on through psychological trauma :payne:

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:45 am

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The woman got shot in the head.O_O That alone is a pretty good explanation for her losing her memory and eyesight. As to who hid her, maybe it wasn't even Magnifi. I just had the idea that maybe it was Apollo's father. Magnifi seems very over-protective of his daughter, yet not above using her "death" to control Zak and Valant. Maybe he somehow forced her to return to the troupe, and after her accident, Apollo's father took her back, but something happened. Maybe he was attacked while escaping and had to leave her in Borginia. Hey, crazier things have happened.>_>

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:09 pm

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I've never heard of a person losing their memory/eyesight by getting shot in the head, instead of just dying.

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:14 pm

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She might have travelled to Borginia before she lost her memory. Maybe she was running away from something.

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:32 pm

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TheSteelSamurai wrote:

The woman got shot in the head.O_O That alone is a pretty good explanation for her losing her memory and eyesight. As to who hid her, maybe it wasn't even Magnifi. I just had the idea that maybe it was Apollo's father. Magnifi seems very over-protective of his daughter, yet not above using her "death" to control Zak and Valant. Maybe he somehow forced her to return to the troupe, and after her accident, Apollo's father took her back, but something happened. Maybe he was attacked while escaping and had to leave her in Borginia. Hey, crazier things have happened.>_>

Last I checked, Apollo's father was dead? oO

As for why she wound up in Borginia... I'm gonna go with Magnifi was a JERK and decided to ship her off and make a profit out of her suffering. Of course, I also blame him for Thalassa's mysterious misplacement of Apollo, soooo...

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:54 pm

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As mentioned here before, the bullet could not have been lethal, maybe it just hit a nerve? As for Thalassa ending up in Borginia, isn't it possible that they were rehearsing in Borginia?

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:18 pm

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WallofIllusion wrote:

TheSteelSamurai wrote:

The woman got shot in the head.O_O That alone is a pretty good explanation for her losing her memory and eyesight. As to who hid her, maybe it wasn't even Magnifi. I just had the idea that maybe it was Apollo's father. Magnifi seems very over-protective of his daughter, yet not above using her "death" to control Zak and Valant. Maybe he somehow forced her to return to the troupe, and after her accident, Apollo's father took her back, but something happened. Maybe he was attacked while escaping and had to leave her in Borginia. Hey, crazier things have happened.>_>

Last I checked, Apollo's father was dead? oO

As for why she wound up in Borginia... I'm gonna go with Magnifi was a JERK and decided to ship her off and make a profit out of her suffering. Of course, I also blame him for Thalassa's mysterious misplacement of Apollo, soooo...

I had kind of assumed that the Gramaryes were originally from Borginia. Didn't Lamior say English was her second language? Of course that could posibly be a result of her accident, but I don't think that's the case. As for Apollo's father, there have been characters believed to be dead, but were actually alive, so I think he could be. On a side note, all this is making me imagine a very disgruntled neurosurgeon playing the game.

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:56 pm

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I believe Lamiroir states English is her second language before she regains her memories, so it could be that she just didn't know. And yeah, the odds that Apollo's father is really dead are pretty dim.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:04 pm

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I have a feeling in the next game we will see Apollo's father, he will be this Trilogy's Misty Fey, as it were, (if Lamiroir isnt that already).

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:05 pm

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She survived past her return, so she can't be.XD

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:07 pm

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She survived past her return, so she can't be.XD

How do we know? Maybe someone assisanted her for not mentioning Machi in the ending after her clip? xD

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:32 pm

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I don't remember Lamiroir ever specifically stating that English is her second language. I think she said that she could not remember why she knew the language. So when she awoke in Borginia blind and without any memories, she still knew English.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:13 pm

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The whole thing is pretty weird, and contrived, and doesn't really hold up under close scrutiny. ^^ (Gah, feels like analyzing the bizarro plotline of Valkyrie Profile 2 all over again... eegah, what a headache.)

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:01 pm

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Thalassa was shot, bled horribly, suffered brain damage and had her body dumped somewhere but ended up getting rescued in contrived Phoenix Wright like fashion by some wandering stranger who nursed her back to health in a foreign country.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:46 pm

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:53 pm

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Katana wrote:

Probably unrelated, but in the game Red Orchestra, I was playing a match on the developer's server. I got hit in the head, and yet somehow was still alive, exclaiming this in wonder to the server. One of the developers said back "Yeah. If you're wearing your helmet, you have like a 0.2% chance of survival."
It's MINORLY possible that Thalassa was hit in the head, or at least grazed.

Also: I like the Thalassa/Toasterface idea.

Hah, awesome! Another ROplayer. Didn't expect to find any of those here.
That game had some weird stuff going on. The next Ace Attorney game should pick up on that and include a case where an old WW2 vet dies from jumping down 2 metres. It'd be just like the most realistic shooter to date!

On topic, the business with Thalassa getting shot and then disappearing is very strange. Did the writers even bother to handwave it all?

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:59 pm

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I hope that will be expanded on in the next game.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:40 pm

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Tatis Kartoffelov wrote:

On topic, the business with Thalassa getting shot and then disappearing is very strange. Did the writers even bother to handwave it all?

Nope, they left it all so painfully vague so we could be scratching our heads/tearing our hair out trying to understand it without ANY sort of explanation for how all the contrivances of the situation came together. Very sloppy writing, to say the least.

Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:57 am

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Probably unrelated, but in the game Red Orchestra, I was playing a match on the developer's server. I got hit in the head, and yet somehow was still alive, exclaiming this in wonder to the server. One of the developers said back "Yeah. If you're wearing your helmet, you have like a 0.2% chance of survival.

By that logic, it's possible she was killed and just reset the game.O_O

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It's MINORLY possible that Thalassa was hit in the head, or at least grazed.

It's really not that crazy to survive a gunshot wound to the head. If she was just grazed, it's doubtful anyone would have believed she was dead in the first place. She might have even remained conscious after it.

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On topic, the business with Thalassa getting shot and then disappearing is very strange. Did the writers even bother to handwave it all?

It's called foreshadowing.: P We'll likely find out what happened in the later games, just like the story with Apollo's dad, and hopefully, some other things.

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Re: Something I never understood (4-4 spoilers)

Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:50 pm

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I still think that Magnifi shipped Thalassa off to Borginia hoping to get her into a position to smuggle cocoons. Why? I dunno B: But it is very suspicious that Borginia's wonder-drugs are the only thing the country seems to be known for.

Or, theory two, Thalassa's first husband miraculously appeared and swept her off to Borginia to keep her away from her crackpot family~

I really hope they back into it in later games!