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Name: That's not how Psycho-Locks work!
Type Of Cough Up: Plot inconsistancy
Location: JFA Case 4
Description: The magatama finds out when a person is holding a secret, not when they are lying. Even if Matt answers "I didn't kill anyone", he would still hold the secret of hiring them, psycho-locks should have appeared. Using the lack of them as a plot device was rather cheap, plus it was Pearl's instance on doing so which made me believe Matt was guilty. Bad writers, bad foreshadowing, bad consistancy. BAD!
Type Of Cough Up: Plot inconsistancy
Location: JFA Case 4
Description: The magatama finds out when a person is holding a secret, not when they are lying. Even if Matt answers "I didn't kill anyone", he would still hold the secret of hiring them, psycho-locks should have appeared. Using the lack of them as a plot device was rather cheap, plus it was Pearl's instance on doing so which made me believe Matt was guilty. Bad writers, bad foreshadowing, bad consistancy. BAD!
This quote comes from the very begining of this topic, but i felt the need to explain this cough up. For starters, they're called 'Psyche-Locks' not 'Psycho-Locks' (well, technicly that is what edgy calls them
). Anyway, The Magatama reacts when someone is hiding something, and since Matt felt that he answered the question truthfully, he didn't think he was hiding anything. Now if Phoenix had asked, 
:Did you hire an assasin.Then Psyche-locks would appear, but in Matt's mind he had no obligation to elaborate any further than,
:No, I didn't kill anyone.So technicly at that point Matt wasn't hiding anything from Phoenix, so much as not telling everything he know (ex: If your mom asked you opened your presents before your b-day and you did, but didn't tell her, then you'd be hiding info. But if she doesn't ask, then you are simply not telling her.)
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Anyway, can anyone tell me why Ben escapes with a hurt head when Max thwacks him with a bottle, yet Zak ends up dead when Kristoph does exactly the same thing? Is Ben's head extremely dense or something? (Though I guess that would explain a lot of things)
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2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
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Bad Player wrote:
1. The bottle broke when Max hit Ben. That means that it hit Ben with less energy (since that energy was used to break the bottle)
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
One is made of stronger glass than the other one. Wouldn't that explain it?
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
1. The bottle broke when Max hit Ben. That means that it hit Ben with less energy (since that energy was used to break the bottle)
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
One is made of stronger glass than the other one. Wouldn't that explain it?
No.
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First, my correction-though it may look that way at first glance, the Evil Magistrate costume is NOT bare-chested. See the following picture for confirmation: http://www.court-records.net/screenshot/PW/turnaboutsamurai.png
Now, my solution-you can't do that because it's two different issues. You don't claim that Dee must have done it because the spear was broken and could not have cut through the costume. That argument is used to prove that the spear couldn't be the murder weapon, as she claims she is innocent because she would be incapable of weilding it, forcing Phoenix to prove something else was the weapon. Proving that the spear was not the murder weapon would in no way clear Powers, especially since you had already proven the day before that Hammer was the one initially carrying it!
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I found another one, in case 1-4. When Phoenix tells Maya the class trial story, and everyone starts saying Phoenix did it, you can also hear someone saying "Give me my money back!". However, the person who had his money stolen, Edgeworth, is the one who stands up for him, so it seems unlikely he would have said that.
I don't see how this is even remotely a contradiction! What if someone let Phoenix borrow some of their money any number of days ago?
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I found another one, in case 1-4. When Phoenix tells Maya the class trial story, and everyone starts saying Phoenix did it, you can also hear someone saying "Give me my money back!". However, the person who had his money stolen, Edgeworth, is the one who stands up for him, so it seems unlikely he would have said that.
Yes, but perhaps Edgeworth was angry enough to think that Phoenix stole his money, but after seeing him sincerly say he didn't do steal the money, Edgeworth belived him and came to his senses. but you are right that confused me too.
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I don't see many nine-year-olds sharing cash.
Each kid has thirty-eight dollars (I'm gonna say that as a best case scenerio), and you're saying they're all greedy!? I can totally imagine someone handing Phoenix a few spare dollars when they learned he didn't have all the money necessary for his lunch! After all, I get the unusual feeling that Phoenix would've been liked until the day when everyone thought he stole the money... After all, there's a reason they thought he stole it: He lacked an alibi.
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The $38 was for their lunch-they couldn't give it to anyone else. It's a bit of a leap.
So no one could have brought any spare change for a vending machine or anything? Somehow, I find it hard to believe that EVERY student at the school was horribly poor...Heck, Phoenix could've even said to someone he borrowed money from, that he would pay them back later!
This would make the scenerio highly plausible, since everything fits with the logic of the game. Remember: I'm NOT trying to "Prove it happened", I'm trying to show that it COULD have happened.
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
1. The bottle broke when Max hit Ben. That means that it hit Ben with less energy (since that energy was used to break the bottle)
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
One is made of stronger glass than the other one. Wouldn't that explain it?
Actually, it had more to do with the part of the bottle that hit. The side of the bottle hit Ben, but the bottom hit Zak. In addition, Max had no intention of killing Ben.
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Wrestlemania wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
1. The bottle broke when Max hit Ben. That means that it hit Ben with less energy (since that energy was used to break the bottle)
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
One is made of stronger glass than the other one. Wouldn't that explain it?
Actually, it had more to do with the part of the bottle that hit. The side of the bottle hit Ben, but the bottom hit Zak. In addition, Max had no intention of killing Ben.
Wait, how would you be able to tell what part of the bottle hit Shadi Smith? We know that he was brained with the side of the bottle, with the larger part of it (Since we know how it was held). If he was to be hit from the bottom of the bottle, it would be impossible to determine how it was held. Also, the wound wouldn't be in one basic spot if it was the bottom. It would have had a much rounder shape, since the bottle has a rounded bottom, much like a soda can (Except for the mass, of course...).
Also, Max managed to hit Ben so hard, the bottle BROKE. Unless Shadi Smith (Yes, I'm trying to reduce spoilers a LITTLE...) was thin-headed, than there's no way that particular argument would make sense... Of course, the bottle Mac hit Ben with COULD have simply been more easily breakable for all we know... You knowm a "Breakaway Bottle" that you tend to see used in movies? Those things... I mean, if Max hit Ben hard enough to break it, I'm pretty sure Ben would've needed to at LEAST have a doctor look at the wound...
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Hero of Defense wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
1. The bottle broke when Max hit Ben. That means that it hit Ben with less energy (since that energy was used to break the bottle)
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
2. Max probably didn't hit Ben with as much force.
3. Kristoph probably hit a more vital area of the head than Max did.
One is made of stronger glass than the other one. Wouldn't that explain it?
Actually, it had more to do with the part of the bottle that hit. The side of the bottle hit Ben, but the bottom hit Zak. In addition, Max had no intention of killing Ben.
How 'bout we just agree that the people at Capcom are idiots and leave it at that, hmm?
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How 'bout we just agree that the people at Capcom are idiots and leave it at that, hmm?
But if we do that, then there's no reason for a Contradictions section on CR, nor would there be a reason for this topic!
Also, if we say they're idiots, they might stop making PW games! (That's a joke)
"The reason our logic is wrong, is because they screwed up what is "Wright"!" - Wrestlemania.
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Riu wrote:
How 'bout we just agree that the people at Capcom are idiots and leave it at that, hmm?
But if we do that, then there's no reason for a Contradictions section on CR, nor would there be a reason for this topic!
Also, if we say they're idiots, they might stop making PW games! (That's a joke)
"The reason our logic is wrong, is because they screwed up what is "Wright"!" - Wrestlemania.
Let's just say that 2025 bottles =/= 2017 bottles?
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And I know Apollo Justice is safe now, but I don't think we should be posting spoilers for it in the Phoenix Wright section.O_o
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Wait, how would you be able to tell what part of the bottle hit Shadi Smith? We know that he was brained with the side of the bottle, with the larger part of it (Since we know how it was held). If he was to be hit from the bottom of the bottle, it would be impossible to determine how it was held. Also, the wound wouldn't be in one basic spot if it was the bottom. It would have had a much rounder shape, since the bottle has a rounded bottom, much like a soda can (Except for the mass, of course...).
Also, Max managed to hit Ben so hard, the bottle BROKE. Unless Shadi Smith (Yes, I'm trying to reduce spoilers a LITTLE...) was thin-headed, than there's no way that particular argument would make sense... Of course, the bottle Mac hit Ben with COULD have simply been more easily breakable for all we know... You knowm a "Breakaway Bottle" that you tend to see used in movies? Those things... I mean, if Max hit Ben hard enough to break it, I'm pretty sure Ben would've needed to at LEAST have a doctor look at the wound...
You could determine it by fingerprints, which is what they did.
Besides, if I remember correctly from the intro video of 4-1, he WAS hit near the bottom of the bottle.
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Wait, how would you be able to tell what part of the bottle hit Shadi Smith? We know that he was brained with the side of the bottle, with the larger part of it (Since we know how it was held). If he was to be hit from the bottom of the bottle, it would be impossible to determine how it was held. Also, the wound wouldn't be in one basic spot if it was the bottom. It would have had a much rounder shape, since the bottle has a rounded bottom, much like a soda can (Except for the mass, of course...).
Also, Max managed to hit Ben so hard, the bottle BROKE. Unless Shadi Smith (Yes, I'm trying to reduce spoilers a LITTLE...) was thin-headed, than there's no way that particular argument would make sense... Of course, the bottle Mac hit Ben with COULD have simply been more easily breakable for all we know... You knowm a "Breakaway Bottle" that you tend to see used in movies? Those things... I mean, if Max hit Ben hard enough to break it, I'm pretty sure Ben would've needed to at LEAST have a doctor look at the wound...
Also, Max managed to hit Ben so hard, the bottle BROKE. Unless Shadi Smith (Yes, I'm trying to reduce spoilers a LITTLE...) was thin-headed, than there's no way that particular argument would make sense... Of course, the bottle Mac hit Ben with COULD have simply been more easily breakable for all we know... You knowm a "Breakaway Bottle" that you tend to see used in movies? Those things... I mean, if Max hit Ben hard enough to break it, I'm pretty sure Ben would've needed to at LEAST have a doctor look at the wound...
I should have said the edge of the bottom, I suppose. That part would not break as easily, and the energy would have been more concentrated on a single spot, while, in Ben's case, a weaker part of the bottle would hit, and more energy would have been used in the breaking of the bottle, in addition to the fact that Ben was likely sent backwards, which would slightly lesson the force of the impact applied to the head.
... Or something. I don't really get this one to be honest.
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I should have said the edge of the bottom, I suppose. That part would not break as easily, and the energy would have been more concentrated on a single spot, while, in Ben's case, a weaker part of the bottle would hit, and more energy would have been used in the breaking of the bottle, in addition to the fact that Ben was likely sent backwards, which would slightly lesson the force of the impact applied to the head.
... Or something. I don't really get this one to be honest.
... Or something. I don't really get this one to be honest.
Actually, any ordinary bottle is easy to break when you smash it over someone's head so hard it BREAKS. Letme be honest: if you smash someone over the head like Shadi was...
... You know what? I explained the physics behind how Shadi Smith was hit with the bottle via the angle his head went at and sustained injuries... just go look that up.
What it EXPLAINS, though, is what I could also use for Ben's "Encounter": In order for Ben to not sustain neck injuries, there is a specific PART of the bottle he had to be hit by, AND angle... However, unlike Shadi Smith's injury, since Ben's bottle broke, the "Angle" and "Bottle Area" are much more different... See, for BEN, we don't even have an area where he was cut! Heck, he could have been hit straight down, with his spine acting like a "Shock Absorber", and his legs recieving the brunt of the force...
Basically, I believe Ben and Shadi were hit much differently, which was why one bottle broke, yet the person lived, and the other person's bottle remained intact, but he dies... But this wouldn't be able to be done JUST like this...
Which was why my final argument dealt with the "Toughness" of the actual bottle... And this leads me back to the starting argument:
One bottle had Tempered Glass, one did not.
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Actually, any ordinary bottle is easy to break when you smash it over someone's head so hard it BREAKS. Letme be honest: if you smash someone over the head like Shadi was...
... You know what? I explained the physics behind how Shadi Smith was hit with the bottle via the angle his head went at and sustained injuries... just go look that up.
What it EXPLAINS, though, is what I could also use for Ben's "Encounter": In order for Ben to not sustain neck injuries, there is a specific PART of the bottle he had to be hit by, AND angle... However, unlike Shadi Smith's injury, since Ben's bottle broke, the "Angle" and "Bottle Area" are much more different... See, for BEN, we don't even have an area where he was cut! Heck, he could have been hit straight down, with his spine acting like a "Shock Absorber", and his legs recieving the brunt of the force...
Basically, I believe Ben and Shadi were hit much differently, which was why one bottle broke, yet the person lived, and the other person's bottle remained intact, but he dies... But this wouldn't be able to be done JUST like this...
Which was why my final argument dealt with the "Toughness" of the actual bottle... And this leads me back to the starting argument:
One bottle had Tempered Glass, one did not.
... You know what? I explained the physics behind how Shadi Smith was hit with the bottle via the angle his head went at and sustained injuries... just go look that up.
What it EXPLAINS, though, is what I could also use for Ben's "Encounter": In order for Ben to not sustain neck injuries, there is a specific PART of the bottle he had to be hit by, AND angle... However, unlike Shadi Smith's injury, since Ben's bottle broke, the "Angle" and "Bottle Area" are much more different... See, for BEN, we don't even have an area where he was cut! Heck, he could have been hit straight down, with his spine acting like a "Shock Absorber", and his legs recieving the brunt of the force...
Basically, I believe Ben and Shadi were hit much differently, which was why one bottle broke, yet the person lived, and the other person's bottle remained intact, but he dies... But this wouldn't be able to be done JUST like this...
Which was why my final argument dealt with the "Toughness" of the actual bottle... And this leads me back to the starting argument:
One bottle had Tempered Glass, one did not.
Well, the grape juice bottle actually did look stronger, didn't it?
Meh, the only thing we'll ever know for sure is that this was a result of plot in the long run.
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Name: Von Karma's Selective Perfectionism
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Description: Despite the fact that he had a complete nervous breakdown when he was WARNED, the fact that he lost a case against Phoenix (even if Edgeworth was to be found guilty for a different case entirely), which would actually remove his unbeaten record, and didn't react at all, was a glaring contradiction with his insane perfectionism.
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Name: Von Karma's Selective Perfectionism
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Description: Despite the fact that he had a complete nervous breakdown when he was WARNED, the fact that he lost a case against Phoenix (even if Edgeworth was to be found guilty for a different case entirely), which would actually remove his unbeaten record, and didn't react at all, was a glaring contradiction with his insane perfectionism.
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It is true that he should care more about losing a case, but since DL-6 his priority is really to get his ultimate revenge on Edgey, which he was gonna do as he pretty much knew that him confessing to DL-6 was gonna happen. If he was going to lose the case, it would be quite a shame, but unavoidable. And if he started to break down, he might not be able to do the prosecution.
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Can someone tell me how, in 3-2, that Ron/Mask DeMasque knew that the sacred urn was speckled with paint (as written in DeMasque's calling card)? The game states that she hid the urn after she had dropped and repaired it, so I don't see how he could have known.
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Can someone tell me how, in 3-2, that Ron/Mask DeMasque knew that the sacred urn was speckled with paint (as written in DeMasque's calling card)? The game states that she hid the urn after she had dropped and repaired it, so I don't see how he could have known.
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Actually, I've finished the game. It's just that I thought that seeing as Ron is Mask DeMasque, it would make sense that the calling card would be sent by him, not Atmey.
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