Why didnt Dahlia just...

Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:08 am

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...kill Maya during the trial?

When Phoenix was telling her that maya was the one who summoned her,i was all like "shut up,shut up,SHUT UP!"
I mean,i thought she'd start going crazy and ,i dunno pull out a knife out of somewhere,and just stab it into her body?
but it seems that she didn't even think about it,after she knew...

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:24 am

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Daliah wouldn't stab herself. And even though she's really sinister and all that, she turns stupid under pressure.

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:20 am

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I think there was already a thread about it, with quite a few good explanations... and I'm lazy to look it up now.

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:07 pm

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probably because one of the things was that she wasn't aware that Maya was channeling her. What could she do to kill herself in court? Strangle herself? She didn't have a weapon on her, because she thought she would be fine playing along as Iris.

meh, I`ll add more reasons if I can think of any.

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:45 pm

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That's what I thought too, but how high are the chances that she could smuggle weapons into the courtroom? (And Feenie was too shocked, whatever, to get that he risked Maya's life with what he said.)

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:52 pm

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I remember someone said she should have stabbed herself on the flag pole. XD

But yeah, killing dahlia sums it up pretty well, she didn't know she was channeling Maya.

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:01 pm

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I was thinking the exact same thing... but obviously not, there are no weapons in the courtroom, besides whips...

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:05 pm

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SuzuneAyasato wrote:

That's what I thought too, but how high are the chances that she could smuggle weapons into the courtroom? (And Feenie was too shocked, whatever, to get that he risked Maya's life with what he said.)

The chances of Dahlia smuggling a weapon into the courtroom are about the same as Jake Marshall smuggling in the knife that he uses to shave himself with. (Shot)

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Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:45 pm

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She could have hung herself with the judges beard.

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Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:03 pm

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AND CAPCOM LOVES US ENOUGH TO LET MAYA STAY ALIVE.

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Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:00 pm

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Dahlia isn't a very good criminal. That's probably the main reason. She was too blinded with anger by Mia's insults to think properly.

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Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:22 am

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Shock, mostly. She was too angry at Mia crushing her ego that she couldn't realise that "hey, if I'm going down, she'll go down with me!"

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Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:53 pm

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SuzuneAyasato wrote:

AND CAPCOM LOVES US ENOUGH TO LET MAYA STAY ALIVE.

And that's a bad thing?

On this topic, it never occurred to me that Dahlia would try to kill Maya in the courtroom, besides, up to that point in time didn't Dahlia think that Maya was long gone and rotting in the ice cavern?

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Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:55 pm

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Meh. I think killing dahlia's explanation makes the most sense. I was thinking the same thing when I was playing, but it's probably true that she just had no way of doing it. When Phoenix was telling her that she was in Maya's body, I seriously expected her to start ramming her head into the wall or something.

The only possible flaw in that logic is that she didn't try to kill herself after learning whose body she was inhabiting. Maybe she could have at least tried to kill herself, with the witness stand or something akin to that. Like, climbing on top of it and jumping off headfirst onto the wooden floor. It's desperate, and might not work at all, but at least she could have said that she made an effort.

Otherwise, it's just a silly mistake of Capcom's.

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Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:02 pm

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She had no way of doing it.

First off, she had no weapon like a knife to harm herself with.

She couldn't kill herself by herself. The only way she's be able to do that would be with strangling, which would work because (1) there would be enough time for people to come and stop her and (2) as soon as she fainted from oxygen depravation, she would start breathing again (her hands would slaken and her brain stem would kick in)

And lastly, she couldn't use anything in the courtroom. The only thing she could use would be the witness stand, since she wouldn't have time to run to something else (someone would be able to catch her). I doubt she wouldn't been able to get on the witness stand, jump off, and crack her head, and there probably would've been time for other people to come and stop her. The final possibility would be repeatedly banging her head of the stand, which could kill her if she did it enough times fast enough. But that wouldn't work either because, as we learned in 2-2, doing that would evict her soul from Maya's body.

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Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:50 pm

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She couldn't kill herself for the same reason no one else in courtrooms kill themselves, courtrooms have baliffs whose job it is to watch over the trial and make sure things like this don't happen. The only exception was Terry, but that was poison he had taken earlier. Dahlia didn't realize she was in Maya's body until it was too late for her to do anything.

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Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:14 pm

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Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:17 pm

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I had actually considered this, too. I'm guessing the idea simply didn't occur to her.

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Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:58 pm

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Even though she's in Maya's body, I think she still feels the pain of the body she is being channeled from.

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Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:10 am

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I would have been devastated if this happened. I mean, 3-5 is already tragic enough as it is, ~~which is why I love it!~~

I think it's the psychological factor. I mean, I don't think it would have been easy for Dahlia, being the egotist that she is, to kill herself, even though she is dead it's still an unpleasant course of action in her mind.

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Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:14 pm

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Because Maya's a main character who the developers didn't want to kill off. There's your answer.

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Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:25 pm

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What gumshoe said, along with what other people pointed out:

For all her conniving machinations, Dahlia is actually a really, really, really shitty criminal.

I mean, come on, what's her win record?

It's about as good as Franziska's win record in America. Perfect losing streak.

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:44 pm

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Franziska1959 wrote:

SuzuneAyasato wrote:

AND CAPCOM LOVES US ENOUGH TO LET MAYA STAY ALIVE.

And that's a bad thing?

It's a wonderful thing.
Capcom just hates us so much that they didn't show any obvious Maya/Feenie, but they love us enough to let Maya stay alive. (And let our imagination go wild, because she didn't die.)

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:09 pm

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Emperor Ing wrote:

What gumshoe said, along with what other people pointed out:

For all her conniving machinations, Dahlia is actually a really, really, really shitty criminal.

I mean, come on, what's her win record?

It's about as good as Franziska's win record in America. Perfect losing streak.

She got away with stealing the diamond. And killing Valerie. And talking Terry into suicide. And poisoning Diego.

Though to be fair, Dahlia would have gotten away with a lot less if her victims weren't all so dumb.

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:14 pm

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

Emperor Ing wrote:

What gumshoe said, along with what other people pointed out:

For all her conniving machinations, Dahlia is actually a really, really, really shitty criminal.

I mean, come on, what's her win record?

It's about as good as Franziska's win record in America. Perfect losing streak.

She got away with stealing the diamond. And killing Valerie. And talking Terry into suicide. And poisoning Diego.

Though to be fair, Dahlia would have gotten away with a lot less if her victims weren't all so dumb.

I'm more in mind to pretty much declare those all failures, (well, except for the whole Terry thing. As you said, her victims are the dumbest of the dumb, essentially).

The "planned" diamond heist pretty much ended in failure, and the whole blackmail thing pretty much kept her in fear of being revealed her whole life. This lead to the killing of Valerie, and her REALLY bad attempt at framing Terry Fawles.. Poisoning Diego didn't really work out, did it?

Mia said it quite right: Dahlia, for all her "successes," is a pretty gigantic, not to mention pathetic, loser.

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:42 pm

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Dahlia stole the diamond and wasn't caught for it. I'd call that a success.

She didn't want to be found out, but I wouldn't say she was "in fear of being revealed her whole life". Valerie was in on the scam and got half the money from the diamond so I doubt it even crossed Dahlia's mind that Val might confess until she was called out to Dusky Bridge.

As for killing Valerie, again, she wasn't convicted, so point for Dollie.

The Diego thing is sort of a gray area: There wasn't actually any evidence linking her to the crime so she wasn't caught for that either, but if she hadn't done it, the Phoenix/Doug situation wouldn't have come up. Then again, if you go by that line of thinking, she wouldn't have committed ANY of her other crimes if not for the jewel heist.

...I forget what my point was with this, but yeah.

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:43 pm

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Let's agree that she's a stupid bitch.

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omg ur just lik :edgeworth:

did ur parents di or somefin

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:49 pm

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I'd rather not. :yuusaku:

Dahlia's fairly intelligent, she's just not very good at being a criminal.

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:51 pm

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Criminally stupid bitch.

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omg ur just lik :edgeworth:

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:20 pm

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1. Someone should put Spoiler in the title of this topic.
2. I don't think Dahlia had a chance to kill Maya. In court it' not like anyone is going to channel her again so she's trieing to stay in Maya as long as possible but then she was pulled out of Maya. And if you notice she doesn't want to, she wants to stay. If she had stayed she would of probably then killed Maya
3. Maybe the thought of killing Maya didn't come cross her mind because she was too busy being angry with Mia.
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Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:20 pm

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Simply put, Dahlia flew into one of those feminine hormonal rages, meaning she couldn't think straight.

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omg ur just lik :edgeworth:

did ur parents di or somefin

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Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:58 pm

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Well, most of the time after they made the discovery was Mia's somewhat cliche speech followed by her cliche "Villian has been defeated" (while Phoenix just asks for her to come out of Maya's body) yells, followed by an original exit.

So, what could she have done?

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Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:30 am

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I thought it was mentioned somewhere that the spirits can't harm the body that they are channeled in? I'm pretty sure I didn't just pull that from thin air o_<

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Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:07 am

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Yeah basically it'd be what has been so far. First Dahlia was executed so I bet she knew what death felt like and was not fond of it. Secondly as it turns out common sense isn't. Also she was probably in denial, so she just assumed Maya was dead.

Yeah Dahlia obviously isn't very smart, talking about making Maya kill her mother (Then who's left to channel you? We already know Pearl is out if the question). She may come up with some good plans but she apparently isn't smart enough to pick up on other people's plans.

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Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:44 am

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It's simple. Dahlia wanted to stick around to get her revenge. She couldn't get revnge if she was dead. How many people can channel a spirit besides the Feys? She was gonna have a tough time getting it.

What gets ME more is that you couldn't tell that Dahlia was actually Maya. Look at her! She's splitting image! Every time Mia possesses one of the Feys, she still adopts their clothing and some of their appearance. That technique is kinda broken in that sence. It was a interesting plot device though ;)

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Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:03 pm

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Arkillian wrote:

What gets ME more is that you couldn't tell that Dahlia was actually Maya. Look at her! She's splitting image! Every time Mia possesses one of the Feys, she still adopts their clothing and some of their appearance. That technique is kinda broken in that sence. It was a interesting plot device though ;)

Hmm, well it's cause Maya also had black hair (like Iris) so maybe after being channelled through her she fixed them to have the same hairdo as well. And obviously changed clothes (when Maya is back to... being Maya, she still wears Iris' clothes)

I guess Dahlia didn't know much about the details of being channelled, cause if she did, she'd realise that it couldn't have been Pearl channelling her, due to the hair-colour. Or maybe she didn't know what Pearl looked like at all.

On the original topic though, I thought exactly the same and really expected her to try to commit suicide or even escape, but it's probably what others said too, she was too angry to hear that she had failed (once again) and froze while Mia was pwning her ass and then she was expelled from Maya's body. She didn't have the time or composure to pull off a suicide.

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Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:10 pm

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Arkillian wrote:

It's simple. Dahlia wanted to stick around to get her revenge. She couldn't get revnge if she was dead. How many people can channel a spirit besides the Feys? She was gonna have a tough time getting it.

What gets ME more is that you couldn't tell that Dahlia was actually Maya. Look at her! She's splitting image! Every time Mia possesses one of the Feys, she still adopts their clothing and some of their appearance. That technique is kinda broken in that sence. It was a interesting plot device though ;)

Capcom's too lazy to make another sprite for Maya channeling Dahlia.

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Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:20 pm

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Hahex wrote:

Arkillian wrote:

It's simple. Dahlia wanted to stick around to get her revenge. She couldn't get revnge if she was dead. How many people can channel a spirit besides the Feys? She was gonna have a tough time getting it.

What gets ME more is that you couldn't tell that Dahlia was actually Maya. Look at her! She's splitting image! Every time Mia possesses one of the Feys, she still adopts their clothing and some of their appearance. That technique is kinda broken in that sence. It was a interesting plot device though ;)

Capcom's too lazy to make another sprite for Maya channeling Dahlia.

Sometimes it isn't just lazy- its cost. They have to get someone to draw the sprite. That costs money, and that one wasn't so important as others are. Shaving costs :)

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Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:14 pm

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Actually it appears to be neither a issue of cost or laziness.

It was their intent for the two to look the same, it was an important part of the story, note how Dahlia's text even says Iris for the name until she reveals her true identity. It would have kinda ruined it if they used different sprites.

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Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:48 pm

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LuminousXMI wrote:

Actually it appears to be neither a issue of cost or laziness.

It was their intent for the two to look the same, it was an important part of the story, note how Dahlia's text even says Iris for the name until she reveals her true identity. It would have kinda ruined it if they used different sprites.

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This.
They weren't lazy at all with GS3, especially with 3-5.
They made several sprites unique to 3-5, like Godot's visor exploding, Phoenix drinking coffee, Maya after channeling Dahlia, etc.

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