the jurist system

Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:20 pm

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i want to know why kristhop freaked out when klavier told him that there was a jurist system. i mean if the judge not thing can do with it, the jurist of the court can also nothing do with it.

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Re: the jurist system

Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:35 pm

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Jurist System, as in, the jurist decides if the defendant is innocent, or guilty, depending on what they see in the trial. Kristoph probably thought he could pin the crime on Vera, and the judge would decide the verdict, not the jury. And even Phoenix said in 2-1, that the judge was easily swayed by other's opinions and ideas.

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Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:28 pm

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yes alright. but i talk not about the case against vera. i talk about the
case wen phoenix lost his badge. phoenix did give the first court under the jurist system make that case because he tought the court then know that not he is the forger was but kristoph, right? later when kristoph heard of the jurist system he freaked out, again later he talks about a verdict that can passed after 7 years. and around the credits he talks about taking the bar exam again so he is decleared innocent for forgeries right? so how can the jurist system make phoenix declared innocent and if the judge did the same case not?

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Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:44 pm

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Ohhh!! I thought you were talking about 4-4... Okay, then I don't know. :yogi:

Yeah, actually I'm starting to wonder why...

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Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:45 am

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The reason he freaked out was because in the old system, everything had to be backed up by evidence. While Apollo used logic to deduce what Kristoph had done, there was really no cold, hard evidence he could submit that DIRECTLY tied Kristoph to the crimes.

With the Jurist system...Apollo's logic/common sense is all that was needed to sway the Jurists over to deciding that Kristoph was guilty. Evidence wasn't needed in that case. :3

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Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:57 pm

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They're talking about the case where Phoenix lost his badge. I wrote pretty much the same exact thing, and then they said they were talking about the case where Phoenix lost his badge.

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Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:13 pm

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phoenixwrightmaster wrote:

yes alright. but i talk not about the case against vera. i talk about the
case wen phoenix lost his badge. phoenix did give the first court under the jurist system make that case because he tought the court then know that not he is the forger was but kristoph, right? later when kristoph heard of the jurist system he freaked out, again later he talks about a verdict that can passed after 7 years. and around the credits he talks about taking the bar exam again so he is decleared innocent for forgeries right? so how can the jurist system make phoenix declared innocent and if the judge did the same case not?

I know he's foreign, but does anyone have any idea what he means by this? :payne:

I don't think that case had anything to do with the Jurist System.

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Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:45 pm

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Steel_Python wrote:

They're talking about the case where Phoenix lost his badge. I wrote pretty much the same exact thing, and then they said they were talking about the case where Phoenix lost his badge.

Oh wow. Fail on my part xD Sorry 'bout that.

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Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:12 pm

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YamiYumes wrote:

The reason he freaked out was because in the old system, everything had to be backed up by evidence. While Apollo used logic to deduce what Kristoph had done, there was really no cold, hard evidence he could submit that DIRECTLY tied Kristoph to the crimes.

With the Jurist system...Apollo's logic/common sense is all that was needed to sway the Jurists over to deciding that Kristoph was guilty. Evidence wasn't needed in that case. :3

but i think this is the answer. if i think about it.. can it be that 2 cases has the same answer. now i read this... kristoph don't freaked out because he was caught for murder on drew misham, he freaked out because he was caught for forgeries. and don't forget that after kristoph's examination the trail goes more about" who made the forgeries?" than "is vera guilty?" and if the jursist don`t need the hard evidence but can do it to with apollo's logic/common than they can so declare phoenix not guilty. but i don't get why evidence based on a video isn't legal.

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Re: the jurist system

Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:49 pm

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YamiYumes wrote:

Steel_Python wrote:

They're talking about the case where Phoenix lost his badge. I wrote pretty much the same exact thing, and then they said they were talking about the case where Phoenix lost his badge.

Oh wow. Fail on my part xD Sorry 'bout that.

XD Sorry, if I sounded harsh, or anything.

@phoenixwrightmaster: I remember, now. It was in Turnabout Serenade that they decided to start the Jurist System; the case that Phoenix lost his badge in doesn't have anything to do w/ it. :P

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Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:51 pm

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The writers tried to get a way for Phoenix to lose his badge and did a terrible job of it.

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Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:08 pm

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Steel_Python wrote:

@phoenixwrightmaster: I remember, now. It was in Turnabout Serenade that they decided to start the Jurist System; the case that Phoenix lost his badge in doesn't have anything to do w/ it. :P

first: it's turnabout succesion(or something like that)
second: that turnabout succesion has everything to do with the zg-trail

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Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:01 pm

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It was Turnabout Serenade (The 3rd case).
Judge: Today's trial... raises a a delicate issue with out legal system. "The only thing definite in a court of law... is evidence."
This is the golden rule. However...
Klavier: It has become apparent that not all things can be tried by this standard.
Judge: Should another case of this sort surface... We may have to consider an alternate system by which to adminitser justice.

And if you still don't believe me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnYyyLYeq1E&feature=related

From 8:43 to 9:02.

That trial where he lost his badge had nothing to do w/ it. If it had, Kristoph would've had 7 years to find out about in in one of the trials, and I don't think he's stupid enough to not realize it. He wasn't there during Turnabout Serenade, so he didn't know about their idea of starting a new legal system.

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Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:15 pm

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Steel_Python wrote:

It was Turnabout Serenade (The 3rd case).
Judge: Today's trial... raises a a delicate issue with out legal system. "The only thing definite in a court of law... is evidence."
This is the golden rule. However...
Klavier: It has become apparent that not all things can be tried by this standard.
Judge: Should another case of this sort surface... We may have to consider an alternate system by which to adminitser justice.

And if you still don't believe me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnYyyLYeq1E&feature=related

From 8:43 to 9:02.

That trial where he lost his badge had nothing to do w/ it. If it had, Kristoph would've had 7 years to find out about in in one of the trials, and I don't think he's stupid enough to not realize it. He wasn't there during Turnabout Serenade, so he didn't know about their idea of starting a new legal system.

whatever. it makes no sense. or kristoph know the jurist system or not. i only wuld to know why kristoph freaked out when he heard that they used a other system. or why wright now was decleared innocent.

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Re: the jurist system

Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:23 pm

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it makes perfect sense, and what, 3 people said the same thing? he didn't know about it, thought he could pin it on vera, use the judges easily swayed personality to get vera convicted. anyway, daryan freaked out when he was convicted, isn't it obvious that kristoph would, too? saying you don't get it like saying you don't get why dahlia freaked out.

have you ever seen a criminal NOT freak out when they found out it was them?

it's not like phoenix was on trial, or anything who said he was found innocent besides in 3-1, 1-2, and 4-1.

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Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:23 pm

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listen i have the answers i would. why would we continue with this topic?
if nobody object than i think we can stop with this.

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Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:17 pm

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Okay. No objections.

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Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:32 pm

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alright then.

the court says that this topic is
CLOSED

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